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ssb

01:17

I just edited my post to explain that 好き is different too and then popped in here to see that the discussion already took place!

Anonymous

@ssb Yay!

ssb

I'm always hesitant to answer questions that tend to the purely grammatical side since I doesn't always grammar so good and I don't have the armory of terminology..

if someone wants to post a more technical answer to go along with my simpler one I'd welcome it!

Anonymous

Well, I was just mentioning terms I came across / translations, but probably most of those are unimportant

Anonymous

I think in English you can stick with "nominalization" and "zero nominalization"

jkerian

02:12

@snailboat: I've noticed I didn't get a response on my comment about our merge attempt breaking the whole network, so until I see otherwise, I'm going to assume we did it :)

cypher

02:24

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer searching Google I just came across stackapps.com/questions/2449/hacks-for-jlu-site where it says "CC-BY-SA", so looks like you can use it under that license

@snailboat Yeah, there's a fix for that issue and a couple of other issues (like meta.japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/1023 and a bug which caused Furigana to not work in some paragraphs) at gist.github.com/cyphr/6536814, but I'll need to test it some more before releasing it

I think I'll also need to check the community agrees with the choice of fonts for Japanese words, I might write a meta post up sometime in the next few days

Anonymous

@cypher Yay! Thank you :-)

Money Oriented Programmer

02:55

@cypher Thank you very much.:-)

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Chocolate

05:54

これって、ちょっと怒ってる・・・？

jkerian

@Chocolate そうね...

Chocolate

ひええ・・・

aktionsartって知らないです・・・ドイツ語みたいな綴りねぇ

辞書に載ってないわｗｗなんて読むんだろ、アクションサートじゃなくてドイツ語っぽく・・・

あくちおーんざると　とか

Anonymous

@Chocolate Aktionsart is like, 瞬間動詞・継続動詞など, durativity and telicity

jkerian

While it does come up with the appropriate wiki article when you search... meh... I nuked the comment.

Chocolate

@snailboat おお・・・流石～

りゅうせき～

@jkerian あっ！なくなった！！！

jkerian

06:09

A short explanation is probably reasonable there... I wouldn't trust myself with anything more than the wikipedia link

Anonymous

Well, Wikipedia is not reliable on matters linguistic

Anonymous

Though it's often a good starting point

jkerian

That was a gentle suggestion for someone who understands the term to post something :)

ugh... I'm in a meeting room directly above a loading dock. It feels like the guys downstairs are doing wheelies with the forklifts...

Anonymous

@Tim Aktionsart refers to a kind of semantic interpretation associated with a predicate. At the top level, we can classify predicates as static ("states") and dynamic ("occurrences"); occurrences can be divided into punctual ("achievements"), those which take place in a single point in time, and durative ("processes"), those which are have duration; and processes can be divided into telic ("accomplishments"), those which have a clear end point, and atelic ("activities"), those which do not. So the main contrasts are static-dynamic → punctual-durative → telic-atelic. — snailboat ♦ 6 secs ago

Anonymous

Happy? :-)

jkerian

06:28

@snailboat very nice... I nuked the response comment as well, since it didn't make sense anymore

Anonymous

The punctual-durative contrast seems to come up a lot when discussing Japanese, and telic-atelic sometimes but less often

Anonymous

They were originally laid out as properties of verbs but that's not really tenable unfortunately--there are a million counterexamples where putting a verb in another context changes its durativity or telicity

Anonymous

So you get *「歩きかけの人」, which doesn't make sense because 歩く seems to be atelic, but 「歩きかけの赤ちゃんには気をつけてください」 and 「駅まで歩きかけの人」 allow it to make sense

Anonymous

(Examples stolen from The Handbook of Japanese Linguistics)

Anonymous

Just adding 駅まで gives it an endpoint, which changes it from an atelic to a telic interpretation

Anonymous

06:38

Do you think the set of all positive integer powers of two contains every member of the set of positive integers as initial substrings?

Anonymous

That's what I just asked my brother as punishment for him trying to make me prove that every prime five or greater is, if you square it and subtract one, an integer multiple of 24

Anonymous