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2:53 AM
@Grace でもロンドンに山はない。。。えへへ
この帽子はうまくかぶれました!
@snailboat あ、同じ帽子よ!
@DariusJahandarie その黄色い△も帽子?
 
ごめんやす~
 
3:08 AM
@ちょこれーと うん、帽子だ
「5人以上からupvoteだけをもらった」の帽子
って、日本語でどう言うんでしょう、upvoteを
 
4:06 AM
@ちょこれーと うん、知っていますよ!例だね。
 
 
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Anonymous
5:28 AM
I'm finally going to get a 電子辞書 ^-^
 
Nice.
Speaking of finally getting things, I finally bought a copy of "Classical Japanese: A Grammar"
I'd just been reading bits off Google Books until now.
It's been an incredible resource and I look forward to actually having the full thing available in a less annoying format.
 
Anonymous
Oh, neat!
 
6:07 AM
カナで4文字の単語で、二番目が小さい「っ」で、最後が「り」ならその単語は必ず副詞なんだって!おもろっ!
 
Anonymous
How about... とったり
 
誰がそんなに気付きにくいパターンがあることに気付くことができるのでしょう…
 
6:24 AM
Well, can we call とったり a word?
"one word" that is.
@DariusJahandarie You sounded like an upper-middle class dame with your sentence just above.
@snailboat Because we could say how about かったり、やったり、けったり、ほったり、きったり, etc.
 
@TokyoNagoya 「のでしょう」のせいかな…
 
そう
 
@snailboat いいね。ほしい。
 
@TokyoNagoya ふむ。「の」を略したらもっと男にふさわしい自然な言い方になりますか?
もう遅い時間なので、ここまで。おやすみ。
 
7:21 AM
I guess.... although I am personally happy with the new site topbar, I'm also sad to see the StackOverflow company give up on the idea of independent communities using the same engine. I suspect our userbase will skew more heavily towards SO than it already does...
 
Anonymous
I don't like the new top bar. The meta toggle went away, and the chat link is hidden now too
 
The DARS ダースミルクドリンク.... not very good
 
Anonymous
Plus, I kind of hate icons.
 
Anonymous
And there's no suggested edits indicator anymore
 
8:07 AM
@DariusJahandarie 「の」もそうだけど、「でしょう」も「の」と組み合わせると少し女性っぽく聞こえるね。もちろん、男性でも「のでしょう」とか「でしょう」って言う人もそれなりにはいるけ‌​どね。話し言葉の場合は声も聞こえるからいいんだけど、書いた文章だと、どうしても単語や表現の選択だけを見て性別を判断してしまう傾向があると思うんです。もし女性っぽく‌​聞こえるのを避けたいのなら、「~~できるんだろうね。」とか、「~~できるのかな。」などを使うといいかも。
 
 
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10:26 AM
@TokyoNagoya 〇っ〇り、ってことですよね
@DariusJahandarie upvoteって・・・訳がない
オンライン辞書にも書いてない・・
まったり、しっとり、しっかり。。。全部副詞ですね・・
はっとり。これって漢字だからダメや
うっとり、がっぽり、がっつり、ぽっかり、ぱっくり、てっきり、みっちり
あかん、全部副詞や
ハッタリ。
漢字?
@TokyoNagoya どお?「はったり」名詞
 
11:13 AM
@ちょこれーと 負けたわ。
 
 
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12:32 PM
@TokyoNagoya あら
負けなくても
はったりって普通カタカナじゃないかしら
 
1:21 PM
@ちょこれーと さっぱりわからん。あー、なんかこってりしたもの食いたい。
 
@TokyoNagoya てっちり。
(フグ鍋のことですかね)
@TokyoNagoya その帽子、バイクのヘルメットみたいですね。シークレットだって書いてある
たっぷり、どっさり食べて、ますますぽっこりお腹に・・
 
2:03 PM
@ちょこれーと あ~ふぐ食べたい!
 
食べたことないです
 
ほんまに?
 
ないです
多分。
 
そうなんや。うまいのに。
 
そこいらへんのスーパーに売ってるようなものですか
 
2:14 PM
売ってないよ!!
 
専門のフグ料理屋さんに行くものですよね
 
免許がないと下ろすことが許されない
デパートとかなら売ってる。
 
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って
投稿できないです
 
変なこと書いたから?
 
ネットのコネクションのせいだと思います
書いてへん
しょっちゅうなるんです
 
 
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10:03 PM
@snailboat In my framework, I'm thinking about treating na-adjectives not as inflectable words (i.e., baka-da which turns into baka-na) but rather as uninflectable words, where the copula inflects differently and has different semantics when used with them. Do you know of anything that this sort of analysis complicates?
(Or maybe another way to ask the question... do you know of any paper which does something really nice/simplifying with the "inflectable" POV?)
 
 
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Anonymous
11:07 PM
@DariusJahandarie No, I don't think many linguists take the idea that 形容動詞 are inflectable seriously
 
Anonymous
I think most people treat that as a remnant of 橋本文法
 
Anonymous
Although I know I've read papers that do take it seriously, I can't remember where...
 
Good to know. I often see it sort of alluded to with things like baka-da / idiot-PRES in the gloss.
But I think it honestly just complicates things to think of it like that.
 
Anonymous
Nishiyama wrote an influential account of である and くある where で and く are analyzed as having closely related functions
 
Anonymous
He says that で is the "predicative copula" while ある is the "dummy copula", there to bear tense
 
Anonymous
11:21 PM
And gives examples of secondary predicate constructions: 「ジョンが魚を裸で食べた。」
 
Anonymous
And of course you can have a sentence like 〜〜で〜〜で+ある, where the latter can contract to だ: 〜〜で〜〜だ
 
Anonymous
Miyama wrote a paper which has a nice chart showing descriptively when である can contract to だ, to ∅, to な, and when it can't contract, but it only mentions "nominal adjectives" in passing, focusing instead on plain ol' nouns
 
Anonymous
I feel like there's room for someone to write a more generalized account of である
 
Anonymous
Miyama's paper also discusses the distribution of くある and い
 
Anonymous
Oh, or you can have a tenseless sentence like 「宿屋の親父は、余所者が嫌いでね。」 And it's clear that で is still doing its copuly work.
 
Anonymous
11:27 PM
(It's clear if you accept that Japanese has a copula, anyway)
 
11:46 PM
@snailboat Do you happen to have links or titles of these papers handy?
This sounds quite interesting
 
Anonymous
Umm, I have them somewhere
 
Anonymous
Let me get back to you later
 
Sure! Thanks a bunch.
 
Anonymous
Should I delete this entire discussion?
 
Anonymous
I would phrase "are the children at school" as 子供たち**は**学校にいますか。. If the children are the children, they must already exist in the universe of discourse, and you are describing some already known noun. In this case the topical case should be used. — user54609 24 hours ago
 
Anonymous
11:49 PM
(In theory, mods are supposed to clean up off-topic discussion. In this case, I suppose the off-topic discussion is my fault :-)
 
Anonymous
Leaving his original comment, I mean.
 
Anonymous
I'm too lazy to actually explain why it's not a case marker, so my comments don't seem to be terribly useful
 
Anonymous
Not that I've ever convinced that user of anything in the past
 
Anonymous
I'll just delete my most recent comment.
 
I think it would be best to leave it up to another moderator, no?
 
Anonymous
11:52 PM
Eh.
 
Anonymous
I'm leaving his comments alone.
 
I mean, if you think anything should be deleted for moderaty-reasons, and you're involved in it yourself, it seems like letting someone else delete it would be the safest thing.
 
Anonymous
I suppose in this case it's not worth bothering the other mods :-)
 
Anonymous
I'll just leave it.
 
Anonymous
We don't usually do a whole lot of "comment clean-up" on this site anyway
 

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