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1:55 PM
Hmm while reading this question:
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Q: Is Haphazard Bombardment legal with fewer than 4 nonenchantment permanents under my opponent's control?

T.BulletHaphazard Bombardment is worded slightly, so I assume intentionally, different from cards I can find that seem similar. Particularly in that it doesn't target the chosen cards. Granted this is unusual, but suppose my opponent on the draw missed 3 land drops and has only 3 land on the battlefie...

I came across a ruling for Haphazard Bombardment that doesn't quite make sense to me:
> If one or more of the permanents with aim counters on them have indestructible, select the permanent destroyed at random from among the permanents with aim counters that don’t have indestructible.
is this just a result of the "Try to do as much as you can" rule?
 
I think that and also preventing nothing from happening from the effect
 
hmm it just seems a bit weird, since normally targeting an indestructible creature with something with destroy isn't illegal. ie: you can Rapid Hybridization an indestructible creature, it won't die but you will still get the frog
 
2:12 PM
I think it is because putting the counters on isn't destroying the target and because of another ruling stating that putting counters on a non-enchantment isn't targeting so it can go on targets with hexproof
 
oh ya, I understand that they can still get the aim counters, I just don't know why they aren't eligible to be picked randomly.
ie. if you have 3 Darksteel citadel and 1 storm crow with aim counters and you "choose at random" you have to pick the Storm Crow
The ability can never wiff
 
3:01 PM
well it would work once and then never fire again
rather then have a 75% chance of not working every check and having to be done until it works and all that is left are the indestructable cards
 
 
2 hours later…
4:34 PM
My understanding is that you can't choose to destroy an indestructible permanent, even randomly
 
5:12 PM
Hmm I suppose that makes sense, I think I might convert this into an actual question so I can get CR quote as well...
 
5:37 PM
This question brings up a similar issue:
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Q: Why can cards like Frost Breath tap creatures that are already tapped, but Teferi, Hero of Dominaria can’t untap lands that are already untapped?

ping 609.3. If an effect attempts to do something impossible, it does only as much as possible. Because of this rule, I would expect Frost Breath to not work on creatures that are tapped. Why is it possible to tap a tapped creature, but it’s impossible to untap an untapped land with e.g. Teferi, ...

Basically, if you're instructed to take an action on an object, but not a specific object, you have to choose an object on which that action is valid if possible.
 
Ahh my bad, saw this after I posted... you can close as dupe if you think they are too similar
I think the confusion though is that haphazard bombardment doesn't look like the player is making a choice
it looks like the game is making a choice (choosing randomly)
 
Honestly, I'm extrapolating a little. But one way to look at it is that the instruction is "destroy one of those permanents at random". Choosing a Darksteel Citadel and then not destroying it is not following that instruction
Also, I am nearly positive that if the ability said "Choose one of those permanents at random. Destroy that permanent", it would work differently
 
That makes sense, that you aren't actually following the instruction with an indestructible permanent.
One thing it does do is make the ability more powerful, which is good for something that relies on randomness
Also how there is no opportunity to act between when the permanent is chosen and when it is destroyed, can't even tap the land.
 
Actually, Last One Standing is similar to my proposed alternate wording. So is the last ability on the back face of Path of Mettle
 
5:56 PM
Path of mettle has this as a ruling "A creature with indestructible can be chosen at random. It won’t be destroyed."
you may be spot on that the wording is the difference
 
Ahh Path of mettle has a period, whereas Last one Standing has a comma and Haphazard has no punctuation
 
Last one standing also has no restrictions on which creature you can choose (though it's also doing the inverse)
My point was that Haphazard Bombardment doesn't separate the choosing from the acting
I am sure that "Choose a creature at random, then destroy that creature" would also allow for choosing indestructible creatures
 
yes, I wonder if adding a comma to haphazard would change the effect though?
ah ya
I guess Haphazard is just confusing to me since it doesn't use the word "choose"
> At the beginning of your end step, if two or more permanents you don't control have an aim counter on them, destroy one of those permanents at random.
 

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