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4:10 AM

@DoubleAA You think he tied his tefillin too tight?

@DoubleAA or @msh210 (whichever deleted the comments here) - was there any indication that the person to whom the deleted comments were addressed saw them? And similarly with the previously deleted comments? I note that the close vote based on the previously expressed misinformation still stands.

Double AA

4:31 AM

@yEz I was not the deleter (though I wanted to be). There is no explicit indication (as in, he didn't respond) but there's never any other way to know for sure if someone has seen a comment or not.

Isaac Moses

@yEz I don't know anything about these comments if which you chat, but why not add a sentence saying explicitly "This prohibition applies for every instant of additional contact with a body, even if he is already tamei," or something?

yEz

5:20 AM

@IsaacMoses Because I enjoy arguing about the same thing over and over.

judaism.stackexchange.com/posts/68149/revisions

msh210

@yEz iirc I deleted the ones I deleted only upon acting on them by editing the takeaway into the post.

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Double AA

6:37 AM

@IsaacMoses That's not a highly precise way of putting it (see the-daf.com/talmud-conceptual/…) but it should be enough to get people to move on with the important part.

If he went into the room BeMeizid, for instance, then there likely isn't a need for him to leave.

(I'd link to our Mi Yodeya post on the subject, but the accepted and highly voted answer is seemingly wrong. Nu nu.)

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Isaac Moses

2:44 PM

Big deal happening in science today:

Q: Why is the detection of gravitational waves so significant?

Since there is to be an announcement about this today, I was wondering what the significance was of detecting gravitational waves. I know it is another confirmation of GR, but I thought we had already confirmed GR beyond much doubt. What extra stuff would finding gravitational waves teach us? Is ...

gravitational-waves

cnn.com/2016/02/10/us/gravitational-waves-announcement-feat/…

The Thursday update event

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Isaac Moses

4:01 PM

They used a pair of devices, each of which has two 4-km-long tunnels, to measure movements a thousandth the size of an atom's nucleus, to measure an event that happened 1.3 billion light-years away, in which energy equivalent to 3 solar masses was released.

The event was two black holes slamming into each other.

The signal came in the form of gravitational waves, which were predicted by Einstein 100 years ago and never physically observed until this experiment.

Daniel

@IsaacMoses Every time I hear something like that, I'm always amazed at how people can create something that's so huge and yet so precise

that something 4 km long can detect motion on an atomic scale is incredible

Isaac Moses

Q: Who knows science?

On whom does one recite the blessing "ברכת שנתן מחכמתו לבשר ודם" (the blessing recited on non-Jewish scientists)? Does he have to be a Ph.D? Does he have to have inventions to his name? Did he have to learn in a prestigious college (like MIT)? Can he just be a philosophy student? Can one an "ex...

halacha blessing gentiles science

Double AA

@IsaacMoses That is awesome!

Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA Literally

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Monica Cellio

5:26 PM

@yEz I deleted an argument between two people that seemed to be going nowhere useful. I don't think I lost any still-needed signal, but if another mod thinks I overshot, let me know. There were already a bunch of deleted comments that I didn't inspect.

So, probably the deletions were a team effort but not a coordinated one. :-)

@IsaacMoses whoa, that's amazing.

TheOne

6:25 PM

There's a rule that when going on a shidduch during "meal times" the guy must buy the girl dinner. Does the same rule apply on a first date when you just want to get to know each other with the least possible amount of distractions?

Isaac Moses

6:45 PM

@TheOne (Speaking as a person, not as a shidduchim expert) If a meeting is happening during "meal times," a meal had better either be part of it or be explicitly ruled out by mutual agreement. People gotta eat!

Double AA

@TheOne "Does the same rule apply..." Depends on local custom.

Daniel

@IsaacMoses I think he's asking about who pays, not whether it's ok to skip lunch

Isaac Moses

@Daniel If so, I go back to what @DoubleAA said, which is what we've said every other time @TheOne asked in here for hilchot shidduchin

Double AA

7:02 PM

@IsaacMoses I think you mean minagei shidduchin...

Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA "nu nu"

TheOne

@Daniel No the question IS whether lunch/dinner can be skipped entirely and a coffee date is used instead.

Daniel

@TheOne ah ok. my mistake

@TheOne Do you have a shadchan or at least someone in your community who you can ask these questions to?

TheOne

If I did I would ask them.

Daniel

@TheOne The problem with asking on MY is that we all come from different communities and backgrounds

TheOne

7:10 PM

I see.

But this has nothing to do with communities - it's focused on removing distractions and considering the other persons hunger levels...

Isaac Moses

@TheOne Hunger can be a tremendous distraction.

TheOne

right

on the other hand the other person could have already eaten

and then eating would be a distraction

Daniel

@TheOne If you're not concerned with the propriety of something but rather the practicality, might I suggest asking the person you are going on a date with?

TheOne

@Daniel, I thought of that but then you might come off as indecisive

Daniel

@TheOne Then frame it as a date proposal rather than requesting her to make a decision. "Would you like to get coffee with me on Sunday evening?"

TheOne

7:16 PM

I believe this is another case where the tafel becomes the ikar and the ikar the tafel. :)

But people need to play these mind games for some reason...

Isaac Moses

7:36 PM

@TheOne People choose to play these mind games for some reason.

TheOne

@IsaacMoses I believe it's inevitable. Every action you make and every word you say is analyzed through a microscope during the first few meetings. Granted that people are fallible and the way they act on a date is not necessarily and accurate description of the person they are.

msh210

@TheOne IMO if it's a mealtime and you're really not sure whether to ask her to a restaurant and you (for some reason) can't or won't ask her (or find out by other means) so it's purely a toss-up, then ask her to a restaurant. Always better not to leave someone hungry. (In my own experience, any mealtime first (or early) date is at a restaurant, but I imagine that that varies by culture as noted above.)

TheOne

@msh210, out of curiosity, which community do you belong to?

msh210

@TheOne NYC Orthodox (when I was dating). If you want more specific than "Orthodox", I can't help you: I don't know that my then-community has a name.

TheOne

That's my community as well. A lot of folks tend to go to hotel lounges, but I am not a fan of that.

Isaac Moses

7:53 PM

@TheOne The bottom line is that the number one most effective way to make sure that two parties each have the same expectations about anything (e.g. whether the date will be a meal date or not) is for them to discuss it. If you engage in such discussion in a polite way, and someone thinks you're being anything other than thoughtful, that's their problem, IMO.

msh210

@IsaacMoses ... which is also good advice (usually) for after the match-seeking is successfully ended.

Isaac Moses

@msh210 Indeed. (Also for non-marital relationships.)

TheOne

I think this conversation was more helpful than the previous response where I was just told "depends on the community".

msh210

8:52 PM

@TheOne That's what this one said, too, afaict.

Isaac Moses

@TheOne If the question is, "what's normal/accepted?", the answer is "depends on the community." If the question is "what's effective?", it's much more feasible to have a discussion on the basis of understanding human behavior.

Daniel

@TheOne For some further advice: if you actually are an indecisive person it might be best to confirm that your shiduch is ok with that (unless you're willing to get over your indecisiveness)

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