@Shokhet I apologize for the DV that you noticed a few hours ago, I'm afraid I'm the guilty one. You guessed correctly as to me reasoning (As I've said, I think that the baalei tosfos simply disagree with this position of the shulchan aruch). I didn't comment because I was relying on a comment made elsewhere

@Matt Fair enough. My comment here wasn't designed to flush out the downvoter, but I'm glad I figured out his reasoning correctly :)

@Matt And there was no need to apologize; you used that vote correctly.

(if there is a correct way to use a vote :P)

I've been having trouble accessing the meta lately, but I had two comments re:929 initiative. #1: is honoring project 929 so obviously a good thing? Not that judaism.SE is bound by his rulings, but R. Shlomo Aviner came out very strongly against and I know that his opinion is shared by most of the dati-leumi community

#2: The USCJ (Conservative) website has a list of "study questions" on Tanakh arranged by perek, and some of them would make excellent questions for judaism.SE

What Bracha acharona on .5 kezayit of grapes eaten together with .5 kezayit mezonot crackers?

@Ramin if you ask that on the main site I might just answer you :-)

@Matt @IsaacMoses See comment.

(Isaac is the force behind MY's 929 project, AFAICT)

@Shokhet initiator, at least

@IsaacMoses "the most excited about it" is probably a better assessment :P

Matt refresh the home page.

@Shokhet Hard to evaluate

@IsaacMoses Okay, we'll got with "initiator" for now. What do you think of the points that @Matt raised?

@Matt @Shokhet ... and other rabbis, including Chief Rabbi David Lau, are behind it. Hopefully, they'll resolve their differences. In the mean time, I'm going to maintain ignorance of the controversy, behind the somewhat specious shield of non-fluency in Hebrew, and use the project as an inspiration to learn and promote learning.

Also:

@IsaacMoses yeah, same here. I don't know who R' Avinor is or what his objections are, and if there's a controversy, well, I'm here to learn torah.

This Herzog website embodies objection to content on the main website, but it also embodies endorsement of the overall project and goals.

The Ministry of Education has the reach to get all kinds of people learning together much more than most. That it's done so is wonderful. That it's done so imperfectly is not surprising. Same goes for the entire existence of the State of Israel.

FTR, I don't know too much about R' Aviner, but I know enough that my default attitude toward him is great respect and admiration, and I mean no disrespect to him by looking the other way at the present controversy.

For anyone who's concerned about participating in MY's 929-related initiatives, I'd suggest that your participation in them is at a similar level of remove from any controversial content as anyone's participation in Hertzog's website is. Not exactly the same, but similarly, you can learn Daf Yomi along with the rest of Daf-learning Jewry without necessarily endorsing the Chassidism of R' Meir Shapiro or various and sundry stances of the Agudah that stages the great big siyums.

@Matt You mean his opinion on this matter or in general? If the former can you provide other articles endorsing it? (genuine curiosity)

R' Meir Shapiro; Agudath Israel of America

Personally speaking, I'm totally for it, and I can do a search for more articles if you want but I just know that this is the feeling among the dati-leumi societies that I'm familiar with

and I know about Michlelet Herzog, and there's also srugim.co.il/…

@Matt I'd much much rather live in Israel than where I am now, but I'm glad that I don't have to take positions on Israeli politics for now.

ha, thank god IMO there's never a need to take positions in Israeli politics (though so many people seem to disagree with me there....) I'm just saying that hopefully nobody coming the judaism.SE gets upset that we're seemingly endorsing something that's been censured by so many Rabbis

@Matt Given that his article says nothing about the program, just about people who learn Tanakh in a manner deemed by him inappropriate (ie the traditional way), I take it that he's just causing a ruckus.

So, @IsaacMoses, carry on!

creating a ruckus or no, I just wanted to put it up for consideration. now that it's been considered, we can table the objection. (I also wanted to bring up the USCJ website for those of you interested in the Mi Yodeya challenge)

@Matt I guess that's a concern worthy of considering. I'd be interested to hear of any instances, on-line or off-, of people turning off of MY because they see us associating with the 929 Project.

@DoubleAA I think, when the time comes, I'm likely to also check. There's only so much one can carry on. Also, ein, hachi nami; vechein lemar.

@DoubleAA the response in the dati-leumi community isn't a unified "No way"; R. Eliezer Melamed is, I think, a talmid chacham-leader in that community and he's allowed his material to be on the 929.org.il site

I'll admit that I'm very confused by this comment, @Ramin. To paraphrase our friend @CharlesKoppelman, "mah inyan shechita eitzel brachos?"

(I'm talking to the right person, right?)

@Shokhet Comment since deleted?

@IsaacMoses Apparently. It might have been from the OP, or it might have been flagged as "too chatty."

nothing bad, to my knowledge

Today was a good silver day:

....and the day barely started!

@MonicaCellio prepare for badge:

@Shokhet oh, I hadn't noticed it'd gotten that hight! I take it you're about to ask a new question? (And here I am about to retire for the night -- but now I want to see what it is in case I can answer it. :-) )

@MonicaCellio I wasn't about to ask a new question, but I just recalled one that I meant to ask (Sukkos time :P) ....hang on a minute

@Shokhet ah, I see. That wasn't meant to be pressure; I just misunderstood you.

(also partly inspired by a recent community bump)

@MonicaCellio No pressure; I was probably going to ask it today/tomorrow anyway, after the community bump. Almost done, actually.

@Shokhet I look forward to seeing it tomorrow. Meanwhile, TZT!

@MonicaCellio TZT!

I rolled back this edit -- judaism.stackexchange.com/posts/8466/revisions -- for 2 reasons: 1) It was a quote, and editing a quote and changing it would make it not a quote anymore 2) The edit was wrong. According to the edit, there would have been no space between the plague of darkness and the death of the firstborn, and there was at least half a month. -- I wasn't sure where to put this reason for the rollback, so I'm mentioning it here

@Menachem I skipped that edit in the review queue because I wasn't sure what to do with it. I meant to bring it up in Bam at some point, but I forgot to.

......

@msh210 Really?? :P

(see also meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/2021/5323)

@DoubleAA (Just catching up here in chat.) Should, schmould. It's chumash. :-)

@Shokhet No.

@Shokhet I just went to look for seeking justice against vending machines because of that image.

@Shokhet Seems to be back at 99...

I have too many unanswered questions, but Yehoshua has far more.

@msh210 Who's the anonymous with 37?

@Shokhet Me too!

@Scimonster I don't know, but I'd guess it's deleted users (all of them). It'll be easy to check, but I can't at the moment.

Hi people, could somebody make me a big favor to translate one seif koton and undernote from hebrew to english?! I would be very thankful and appriecate it!

could somebody help ? :)

@havarka Just go ahead and post the text/reference and if someone wants to help thye will

וזאת הברכה פרק ב. ברכת הפת סעיף ט.א בין אמירת הברכה לאכילת לא יפסיק בדבור - לכתחילה לה ישהה אפילו בשתיקה יותר מכדי דיבור (קסז מ''ב לד). ולא יפזם ניגון (מנחת יצחק ח''ז ט), ואף לא יאמר ''נו'' ו''שה'' וכדומה*, עד שיכלה ללעוס קצת מפרוסת הפת ויבעלנה (קסז ו מ''ב לה). וכו' * ע''פ המנ''י הנ''ל, וכן שמעתי מהגרי''ש אלישיב שליט''א. ואם רק אמר ''נו'' או ''שה'' אינו חוזר בדיעבד, שאינן חשובים דיבור ממש - הגרי''ש אלישיב שליט''א

@all: Does edit 4 here violate meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/a/1231/5323?

@Scimonster Cool! ....I won't get my "Yearling"s until April. Congrats!

Olive Wars

This question seems like it should have story-identification, but it's maxed out on tags. Which, if any, should be dropped?

@Shokhet Done.

@Scimonster mishlei was a good tag to drop, but I think torah-study still applies to the question, doesn't it?

@Shokhet Right. Reedited.

I guessed that @Shokhet left this comment just from the notification.

@Scimonster I see. That makes sense....though that tag still applies. We need that tag hierarchy [feature-request]!

@Scimonster No you didn't :P

@Shokhet Yes i honestly did.

@Scimonster :)

I know your style. ;)

(I didn't doubt it; was joking)

@Scimonster :)

@Scimonster ....similarly, if I see questions in the @StackJudaism twitter feed, I can often guess who asked the question

....no handy examples, at the moment

@Scimonster, I don't think that this comment was necessary -- anyone with 250+ rep can see CVs on their own questions.

(I was the first to vote on that one)

....also, I don't know how many people who haven't been in chat know, offhand, what Rfפ means.

@Shokhet I know they can see them. I'm drawing attention to it.

@Scimonster Okay. Fair enough.

@Shokhet Then it's time to learn!

@Scimonster eyeroll

....they'd only learn if you'd explain what it meant < hint, hint >

Happy? ;)

@Scimonster I'm absolutely overjoyed :)

@Shokhet we have a glossary. Would somebody who knows that find this abbreviation in it? (hint, hint)

@MonicaCellio Nope. Not quite common enough yet.

@MonicaCellio Good point.

I was going to post one eventually.

@Scimonster I think it qualifies; it's common enough in chat

@Shokhet You think so?

@Scimonster For an answer to this question? Certainly.

(not this question, though....not yet.....)

@Shokhet I was referring to the former.

I guess i'll write something up tomorrow.

@Scimonster I figured; I wonder if this contraction (or any answer to that question) will ever qualify for the latter :P

@Shokhet They have completely different uses. I doubt it

@Shokhet oh, I forgot that slang was on a separate post. Yeah, that one.

Once there's an entry for it (somewhere), when you use the term in comments you can link it, increasing knowledge of both the term and the slang page.

@Scimonster If ever one of those slang terms becomes widely enough used that anyone outside of this site know it, then it should qualify for both. If ever.

TZT has gotten some broader usage, just FYI.

@Scimonster That's true, though it hasn't been started here.

@MonicaCellio Really? ....where?

@MonicaCellio Couldn't find anything with a simple Google for "tzt" or "timezone tov"

@Shokhet chat rooms of sites with some overlap in users, mainly. :-) (I don't think chat is indexed by Google, but it has its own search.) Some of the BH picked it up from me a while back, and I'm pretty sure it's been in Workplace, and I'm not sure where else.

@MonicaCellio I see. It makes a lot of sense to use it.

(Darn it. There needs to be a way to search all chat rooms except this one!)

@Shokhet you used it in LifeHacks.

@MonicaCellio Right, that's true

....it didn't really catch on, though

I don't think it's widely used anywhere except here -- I just meant that I've seen uses beyond here, spread by people here who also use other chat rooms.

@Shokhet You can undo your vote now.

hi all

@havarka Hi!

how are yu?

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@sho

@shokhet

I'm good, baruch Hashem. How are you?

I am great, learning toyre in this place where there is nobody over skype :)

@shokhet

Cool.

yeah! where you live NYC?

I don't live in NYC.

okay

I have to go now. See you around, @havarka!

bye

@shokhet