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1:28 AM
@Monica how do I vote to delete?
@Isaac, the substance has been asked before. The tone and style are offensive. I don't care if he's asked excellent questions before, has 20k here and is a mod on another SE site. If he's not interested in improving it (in which case it should still get closed as a dupe of at least two questions), then it should be deleted as offensive.
 
YEZ
1:44 AM
@SethJ @IsaacMoses @MonicaCellio When the raging comment debate was still raging, I pointed out that the asker did not seem interested in any answers that were suggested and his question was just a soap box to say Judaism should change. I'm with Seth.
Why do questions sometimes reappear at the top of the list with no apparent recent changes? For example, this question judaism.stackexchange.com/q/27306/4794
 
2:00 AM
@yez thanks for the support. As to your question about questions, if you look at the bottom-right beneath the title of the question (on the main page) you'll see the name of the profile who last modified and the question. In this case (as well as others), that name is "Community". This means that Mi Yodeya itself (ie, Stack Exchange) has promoted it.

I don't recall from when I asked a similar question whether it's an actual person promoting it or whether there's any rhyme or reason for its being promoted, but the bottom line is, stam.
 
@YEZ See the About Me of the user who poked it
 
YEZ
@DoubleAA That explains a lot. Thank you.
 
 
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4:33 AM
@YEZ Two reasons. One, as explained above, because Community sometimes bumps unanswered questions (actually, those without net-positive-voted answers, I think). The other, because an answer is posted to a question and then deleted. Then you won't see the answer (until you have 10,000 reputation points, but the question will still be bumped on the homepage.
 
5:21 AM
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Q: Site trouble running IE11

DannoI am not sure if this meta is the right place for a software concern but the FAQ's said that bug reports can go here. I often visit using IE 11 (on a Surface running Windows 8.1). In IE, I can't leave comments or answers -- even if I can type in a text field (sometimes I can't) the contents don'...

 
 
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2:09 PM
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Q: Are questions about Jewish culture (NOT religion-centric) in scope?

DVKThis came up in a completely unrelated SE chat, with someone claiming that (unlike Christianity.SE being "about Christian doctrine and practice") Judaism.SE is "about Jewish culture". My impression (perhaps incorrect) was that Judaism.SE had purely secular Jewish culture as out of scope, but I c...

 
 
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4:23 PM
@SethJ you should see a "delete" link between "reopen" and "flag" under the question. Don't you? (Oh wait, according to this there's a 2-day delay, lifted for 20k users. That's the part I was forgetting. Well, you should be able to vote to delete now or in a few hours, and you're close to being able to ignore the delay for future cases.)
 
5:06 PM
This is off-topic, right? ↓
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Q: Descendants of Ariza"l

user4751Any documentation available for Ariza"l's [Isaac ben Shlomo Luria Ashkenazi (1534-1572)] descendants? Are there family trees available?

 
5:27 PM
@msh210 yup -- it's a question about a Jewish person, one of our close reasons.
While there's a part of me that wants to grant slack for questions bout Jewishly-prominent Jewish people (like, say, a question about the students of a particular gadol), I don't count genealogies in that.
 
@MonicaCellio Yeah, I agree. Just thought I should get a second opinion before closing.
 
@msh210 It does imply that with the premises that: 1) only two people downvoted, and 2) most Yodeyans realize taking away mods' binding votes is a bad idea which will never be implemented.
You knew those premises.
 
@DoubleAA To clarify to anyone reading, this is a continuation of not the above but the comments on meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/1938.
 
@msh210 that's great to hear!
 
@DoubleAA I know for certain that there are +7/−2 votes on what is very clearly a feature request. I can interpret that three ways: (1) people voted per the tooltips (or some other criteria) and not the usual MSO way; (2) people ignored its feature-request-ness or didn't actually read the question; (3) people actually want the feature. To me, 1 seems most reasonable. To you, I guess 2 does?
@DoubleAA And, in any event, this arose from a question as to closure as duplicate of meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/1343. To me, it's clearly not a duplicate, because, no matter how people voted on it, it's a feature request.
 
5:53 PM
@msh210 I disagree that it is a feature request.
I have attempted to show you that by excluding 1,2 and 3 as possibilities. Since the current situation is untenable, one of the assumptions must fail.
If it were a feature request, half the current answers would be non-answers.
Moreover, aside from being a particularly preposterous proposal, removing mods' binding votes would not stop pedantry. It would just stop them from being able to be useful. A mod who can't vote can leave as nasty a comment as s/he wants.
The post is with a rhetorical question at the end, and such is how everyone has understood it.
 
@DoubleAA The two positive-voted answers start off addressing the feature request.
@DoubleAA I agree. Want to post an answer to that effect?
@DoubleAA I don't see that you eliminated any of them. Perhaps comment on the question asking whether the feature request is serious? If it's not, the question can be edited (including retagged) -- and perhaps closed as a duplicate.
 
@msh210 Any of them?
Does #2
29 mins ago, by Double AA
@msh210 It does imply that with the premises that: 1) only two people downvoted, and 2) most Yodeyans realize taking away mods' binding votes is a bad idea which will never be implemented.
not eliminate option 3?
Does
@msh210 And you and I are the only ones who use standard SE voting criteria? — Double AA 49 mins ago
not eliminate option 1?
If you insist on being pedantic I will add the premise that 5 out of 7 voters didn't not read the question nor vote irrationally. That combined with the comment just quoted above should eliminate option 2.
 
6:42 PM
We interrupt this meta-meta-pedantry-meta for some Adarification, either in season or almost in season:
<starts hopping slowly in a wide circle, facing an imaginary point in the center, with open hands extended to the sides>
 
YEZ
7:30 PM
Is Mi Yodeya down? Because I can get into here but not onto the main site.
and I can't load the main stackexchange site either.
 
@YEZ Ditto. openid.stackexchange.com and askubuntu.com (and obviously chat.stackexchange.com) worked for me just now, but stackexchange.com and judaism.stackexchange.com and stackoverflow.com did not.
Ah, here we go:
Our network provider is experiencing a bit of increased traffic. We and they are investigating.
(A tip of my hat to David Z.)
 
YEZ
@msh210 Wonder what the חילוק of the chat sites is. And I don't even know what openid is.
 
@YEZ openid.stackexchange.com is the server that logs you in to SE if you don't log in using Google or Facebook or any other third party.
 
YEZ
7:46 PM
I think I log in through gmail. But Right now I'm not logged into my gmail and still logged in. I have to admit, the computer genes in my family went to my brother.
 
@YEZ I don't know that much about OpenID (the process SE uses to log people in, even if it's through Google). But you can log in to SE using Google, then log out of Google and remain logged in to SE.
Essentially, if I understand correctly, SE just asks Google if you're you, Google tells it yes, and SE logs you in. After that, SE doesn't need Google any longer, so you can log out of it.
 
YEZ
@msh210 So as long as I have google fooled, I'm covered.
 
@msh210 that's correct. OpenID is a one-time check, not a sustained session.
 
@YEZ Meaning, if someone steals your Google password, he can log in as you to SE also? Yes.
@IsaacMoses You look odd.
 
@msh210 Only as long as you leave me hanging, man
 
7:52 PM
@IsaacMoses /me looks over there instead.
 
@HodOfHod, where are you? I need backup!
 
@IsaacMoses Oh, very well.
hops along the antipodal arc
 
@msh210 Yay!
 
YEZ
Well I need to access an old post of mine for a class I'm preparing. What's the best way to find a cached copy of a page that I don't know exactly where it is?
 
@YEZ Google cache?
 
8:02 PM
@YEZ Google should have it. The Internet Wayback Machine may.
 
Wayback machine, if it's old enough?
 
@YEZ What post (if you don't mind saying)?
 
@msh210 I'm too slow!
 
YEZ
@msh210 The Maharal about why we bow when we bow (I think it was your question, in fact). My Maharal is in the beis medrash.
 
@MonicaCellio As am I, apparently.
 
YEZ
8:04 PM
I suppose I could look it up on hebrewbooks but really I think that site is G-dawefully inconvenient
Thanks!
@msh210 ^^
 
@YEZ Welcs.
 
YEZ
OK continuing my education in "how things work" - why do occasional dotted lines appear across the chat screen? I don't see an obvious pattern emerging.
 
@YEZ In this room? That's beneath the last message the chat room 'knows' you've read.
(Or the bottommost line is. I think the others might not get removed when they're obsolete.)
 
YEZ
OK so it's based on when I click on and off of this window then?
 
@YEZ Not sure what it's based on.
 
YEZ
8:16 PM
@msh210 It just "knows." Spooky.
 
@YEZ I'm sure it's based on something. I just don't know what.
I would check MSO, but, well.
 
YEZ
:)
 
@YEZ chat.stackexchange.com/faq#read (but they don't explain how chat decides what it thinks you've seen)
 
YEZ
@MonicaCellio I'm telling you, it has ESP!
 
@YEZ either that or access to the NSA databases, I guess. :-)
 
YEZ
8:28 PM
@MonicaCellio If I'm right, it'd be better if the NSA could get access to the chat-prophet's database.
 
@YEZ Shhhh. They don't need to know that. :-)
 
YEZ
So if they fix0rize this SE matzav can someone ping me? I'm a Luddite (no twitter or anything else that "follows" anything) and reloading the page every 10 minutes is tedious.
 
We have partially mitigated a DDoS attack against our network. We are continuing to watch traffic.
... but, yes, Mi Yodeya seems to be down still.
 
YEZ
anti-semites...
@msh210 almost makes me wonder what DDoS means. Almost.
 
@YEZ heh
@YEZ I'll almost tell you.
 
YEZ
8:45 PM
OK after my brief investigation - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack - I can't imagine what someone hopes to gain out of doing this to SE. Unless they are really upset about being downvoted.
 
While #stackoverflow is down, probably best just to dm @jonskeet directly ;p (just kidding: DO NOT DO THIS!!!)
http://StackOverflow.com seems to be down this morning. Maybe this wasn't an auspicious name for a website.
^ Me, getting my kicks on route sixty-twits.
http://stackoverflow.com/ is down. In unrelated news, the number of capable developers in the world mysteriously dropped 90% today. Stay tuned.
 
YEZ
@msh210 Ok that one is clever.
 
¿Qué hacen los programadores de StackOverflow para levantar el server si no pueden preguntar en StackOverflow? #DudaExistencial
Okay, I'm done now.
 
9:38 PM
Yes we're still down. Some sites are up, others not.
 
YEZ
If Christianity.SE and Islam.Se get up before us, let's use our Jewish control of the media to make a big deal about it.
 
@YEZ Jokes not clearly marked as such may be misinterpreted.
 
YEZ
@msh210 a) is there an official procedure for marking jokes? b) I may have too much faith in humanity, but I think some jokes are self-evident
 
@YEZ they're up. Get to work. :-)
 
@YEZ (a) No. ":-)" perhaps. (b) You may be right (about this one).
 
10:14 PM
We're back up (main but not meta), but things are still intermittently failing. Save any work in progress that you'd be upset to lose.
 
@YEZ ^
 

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