I've locked the TOC and the four sections of submissions. I left other haggadah-related posts open. (I was surprised to learn that locked questions disappear from the main page, though they're still there and can be reached via navigation.)
@MonicaCellio Yeah, that was an unwelcome surprise when we decided to make p-t-i-j questions locked at the end of the season last year, so we decided to close them instead.
@IsaacMoses I think after Jin has compiled the supplement I will go back, unlock, and close instead. It's frustrating that "edit lock, 'cause we're about to move this" has that side-effect.
Here is the final table of contents. 29 high-quality questions (including the intro and credits) -- nice job, everybody! This is going to be excellent!
Table of Contents
Introduction - What questions from the Passover Seder do people really want answers to?
The Seder -
How can I make an engaging seder?
What do the haggadah section titles mean a...
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How do I tell the website that my text should be formatted RTL?
I tried wrapping the answer in <DIV dir=rtl> but that got rid of all formatting in the answer - and didn't fix the problem.
It's mainly a problem for the punctuation, making sure it's on the correct side of the text.
@Jin there were a couple cases where we consolidated multiple questions for the sake of the project, though they're valid as separate questions on the site.
@Jin, in this one, there was only one question, asked by me, but it started as a simpler question asked by my kid, so the print version effects two voices.
@Jin great. When compiling the submissions we tended to cut/paste URLs, which of course were judaism.SE rather than mi.yodeya, but I was hoping that for the publication we could consistently use the latter.
@Jin Given that in both cases (Q urls and U urls in the credits), the title/name is available in formatted text right there, I think it makes sense to use these bare short URLs ending in just the ID. That way, people won't think they have to type the title/name into their browser
By the way, there is presumably some licensing language that ought to go in here. Have other sites done publications? Is there boilerplate that you can use?
@IsaacMoses maybe that's fine. It occurred to me last night that the supplement should have some text about the license and that I'd given that zero thought until now.
@Jin, the question is: what do we need to say in the publication about copyright and the CC license so that we ourselves aren't in violation of that license? Or what @IsaacMoses said. :-)
@Jin I suppose there's a lot less motivation to fix SE content to dead trees, stripped of hyperlinks, without a context in which computers are temporarily forbidden.
@Jin, it looks like the Fred situation has been resolved by merging. On the credits, please leave out /u/1417 (now a dead link anyway). (Or @MonicaCellio or @DoubleAA could do it to the source now by unlock/edit/lock)
@MonicaCellio, I'm not 100% satisfied with my rewrite of the last sentence of the credits, since it doesn't explicitly thank Jin and Sean as people. If you can edit it to something better, I'd appreciate it.
@MonicaCellio @IsaacMoses btw, I looked over some of the questions. didn't we agree that ideally, it'd be nice if one question(and its answers) to be fit on one single page?
some of these are a bit too long, may run into a 2nd page
@Jin I was wondering if this would be a problem. How many, and how much over? We could solve this by having a format that allows for spillover and/or by editing them down for length. If the latter, could you provide a max word count?
... also, is there a possibility of combining multiple Q&As under the same heading onto the same page[s]? In that case, it might work out that a 1.25-pager could follow a .75-pager to make a total of two pages.
@IsaacMoses well, it is not a big deal if the question is long enough to fill 2 pages nicely(with footnotes section). it may look a big less visually pleasing if the 2nd page ends up having a short paragraph. then you're left with all the white space.
@Jin ... Also, within the "Magid" section, it could work to have the subsections not start new pages, but be set off less strongly.
@Jin I guess I'd suggest that you do the best you can with design, then give it to us with "here are the places where your content length makes the design look awkward," let us try to edit them down, then regen with the shorter content. Would that work?
If there's a ToC (with page numbers), I see no reason we can't start every question [edit: and each section] after the preceding one (same page, but visually-clearly a new question). @IsaacMoses @Jin
@Jin ... or even, without doing all the plugging-in, create a design template, and derive from that approximate wordcount ranges that will lead to awkwardness (e.g. 105% - 125% of a typical page wordcount) and give those ranges to us, and we can go through the submissions, check which are in that range, and try to edit them into compliance.
@msh210 Or that. The question is whether to start a new page for each section (many of which have only one question).
I think what I'll do is, I'll create a template(most likely a Word doc), set up the frontpage design, and a layout. That way I an hand it off to you guys for the actual text editing. It may be too time consuming for me to do the actual editing(I may get it wrong).
and when you're done, you can export it to a pdf with 2 different paper size(letter and A4)
@Jin @IsaacMoses - initially I was thinking that most questions could fit on a single page. Now that we've generated them I can see that some are longer, and I think necessarily so. If we can work with that anyway, without making the book ugly, I'd like to try to keep the content we have. Not starting questions in the same section on a new page would help.
haha. I'm just speaking from the POV of a reader, of any publications. I prefer the intro to be short and concise, then I can get to the meaty part.
I think the intro could just start where it says "Mi Yodeya (whose name comes from the "Who Knows One?" song mentioned above) is the Jewish corner of a wonderful network of Q&A sites called Stack Exchange. "...
then also mention the rest of the printout are selected Q&As from the site.
but I'll use the current drafted text to start the design, and see how it goes.
@Jin I appreciate that. Given the time constraint, I think we mostly have to trust the process that @MonicaCellio sealed last night wrt to content and concentrate on format now, including editing for format's sake when necessary.
... the intro is definitely long-winded. I was trying to do a bunch of different things (Q&A for motivation, intro SE, intro MY, intro this pub, explain diversity of styles, "this is not your rabbi", invite to participate on MY, ask for feedback), some parts of some of which could probably be reduced or removed
@IsaacMoses since this print out may be read by people who have never heard of Mi Yodeya, I feel it needs to be pretty clear in the intro right away, what Mi Yodeya is. then elaborate from there. Now I think of it, we did have some printed material for other sites, but just as a one-page flyer.
let me dig it up..
that's the flyer we did for English.se, passed around on various school campuses.
@Jin Thanks very much. I can try to do the first pass of copy/paste in the early-ish evening tomorrow. If someone else can proofread and then publish to .pdfs later that night or the next day, then we stand a chance of getting it up live before the US goes to bed on Thursday. Perhaps in parallel with that, someone needs to make a landing page, and we need to get the pretty URL up.
it's much briefer compared to the material we're working on now of course. But I feel the intro is very clear, within seconds I know what English.se is.
@IsaacMoses That is, unless someone else wants to do the first pass then or earlier! I promise, you don't need to watch behind you for daggers on this ramp.
@MonicaCellio @msh210 @DoubleAA, I think it doesn't matter too much what the pretty URL is, so much as that it is finalized by tomorrow night and working by COB Thursday. I'd suggest just picking something and asking SE dev to do it now.
This will be the landing page for the Mi Yodeya Hagada, and it could eventually be edited to be the landing page for future publications, B"H. A special pretty URL will point here.
@IsaacMoses Jin was our contact for that. @Jin, do you think the /publications (or whatever) URL could point to meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/1568/2 please?
@Jin I don't think we decided. Someone mentioned /special, someone mentioned /publications, /pubs sounds good, I think there were some other options on the table. If you want to go with whatever I personally decide right now: /publications
PLACEHOLDER: Content to be added
This will be the landing page for the Mi Yodeya Hagada, and it could eventually be edited to be the landing page for future publications, B"H. A special pretty URL will point here.
@Jin Would it be possible to also provide (or maybe you meant this already) a sample with one real Q&A pasted in and sample .pdf exports? That way, we have a gold standard to compare against when we do our work.
@IsaacMoses @MonicaCellio @msh210 I talked to the dev, they proposed using SE's current URL shortener service, so the url redirect will be: s.tk/miyodeya
it will redirect to an all purpose meta post you have set up
@HodofHod I did a (very late and cursory) scan of your answers when I noticed the problem. Nothing jumped out but I still feel bad (I could have missed a good candidate).
At some point later this week, hopefully on Thursday evening, March 21, we will be very excited to present Mi Yodeya's first publication for print:
Hagada - Mi Yodeya?
Real questions and answers that spring from the Passover Seder
This hagada supplement contains a collection of select que...
@MonicaCellio As soon as you've perfected that emotion, you'll hear an Earth-shaking shofar blast and think "Already?! I was just getting good at yearning!"
Mi Yodeya: "We are currently offline for maintenance / This Stack Exchange site is temporarily offline, routine maintenance usually takes less than an hour."
English Language and Usage: "We are currently offline for maintenance. / This Stack Exchange site is temporarily offline; routine maintenance usually takes less than an hour."
Table of Contents
Introduction - What questions from the Passover Seder do people really want answers to?
The Seder -
How can I make an engaging seder?
What do the haggadah section titles mean a...
How do I tell the website that my text should be formatted RTL?
I tried wrapping the answer in <DIV dir=rtl> but that got rid of all formatting in the answer - and didn't fix the problem.
It's mainly a problem for the punctuation, making sure it's on the correct side of the text.
This will be the landing page for the Mi Yodeya Hagada, and it could eventually be edited to be the landing page for future publications, B"H. A special pretty URL will point here.
