I know this is not the right place, but, in English, does it make sense to say "These Xs also have a progressive drop in the performance"?

drop in or decrease of?

@nbro I'd say “These Xs also show a progressive drop in performance” but I'm not a native speaker.

@nbro When you say “the performance” (with “the” article), I immediately ask myself, “the performance of what?”.

@HenriMenke You obviously don't spend a long time grinding through tests that hold up other changes :)

@nbro I think you're wrong with your time management. Reading through the TikZ tutorials will finally save time for you. When you use a tool extensively, knowing it well will finally save you time.

But well, anybody has rights to use their time as they want...

quack

@DavidCarlisle twitter.com/NicholasPegg/status/1298647435829563393

@PauloCereda QUACK

@JosephWright ooh a duck

@PauloCereda :)

@PauloCereda xbox is attracting lots of discussion - perhaps it might see the light of day!

@JosephWright cool

@JosephWright I thought about replying blaming you:

@PauloCereda extra helpings

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle I wonder what to say here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/560195/…. "That is not how TeX works?"

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz twitter.com/Arekan_/status/1298820416497242117

@DavidCarlisle Say it is done :)

@UlrikeFischer he didn't like that answer

@DavidCarlisle "it works in my machine"

@DavidCarlisle ducks are very good detectives as they always quack the case. :)

@PauloCereda "Blame Ulrike"

@DavidCarlisle ;-). I once tried to get wrapfig to move inside a paragraph a few lines down, but it was quite reluctant, I ended with using a manual \parshape. Having a version that does at least that, would be nice.

@UlrikeFischer yes, in those cases I normally emit a non-paragraph (\par\noindent or equivalent if I have to supress \parskip) and put the wrapfig there. Not optimal, though...

Clearly, I have to typeset the whole par before to see where the linebreak is. And then stick to it.

@UlrikeFischer we could code it up using l3galley, the issue is it breaks everything! Bruno said he could fix that ...

how can I make bigger \ldots or \dots?

@nbro {\Large\ldots}? What should be enlarged?

@TeXnician the dots themselves should be enlarged

that doesn't seem to work

@nbro it works.

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\ldots{\Large\ldots}
\end{document}

I am using \dots

not \dots

sorry for the inconvenience

@nbro works too:

@nbro Either I'm missing something or that comment contradicts itself.

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\dots{\Large\dots}
\end{document}

It doesn't work in my case

I am using it inside a tikzpicture

...

if that helps somehow

@nbro Without you showing the code context there's no reason why the solutions shown should not work in any node.

@Rmano This moves the text on top of the arrow. Can I also move the arrow?

Here's the relevant code...

\imageb is a command that includes an image there

I am using this code here tex.stackexchange.com/a/560130/63097

So I am trying to increase something inside a box

@nbro The relevant portion is not the tikzpicture but that you are in math mode. If you would have said this from the beginning, you would have been suggested to switch to text mode from the beginning.

well, have you ever used \dots non in math mode?

@nbro You will also receive a very clear message output by your LaTeX compiler: LaTeX Font Warning: Command \Large invalid in math mode

@nbro Of course, one may use the dots or ldots command to express an ellipsis.

ok, so how do I increase the size in math mode?

@nbro \text{{\Large\dots}}?

(with amsmath loaded)

that doesn't seem to increase the size much

is there a way to bold the symbols in math mode?

I just want them to be ticker

so that they are visible when resized

It would be nice if there was a way to control the level of boldness and the size of symbols in math mode in a easy way

Right now I am checking it

Ok, I found a way to make symbols bold

I guess that's fine

now I just need a way to shift \draw to the right

when its position is based on the usage of tags and is defined with respect to other nodes

@nbro That's the problem. Don't resize text. Design your picture so that you don't need resizing and then normal fontsize will easily visible

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz Frankenstein duck ;-)

well, I guess the solution I found so far is good enough

@UlrikeFischer psst :)

anyone can suggest me how to shift a draw to the right?

@nbro You asked the very same question only 5 days ago and received an answer

I don't remember

really?

well, someone suggested to move the node with pos

but I need to move the \draw

not just the text on top of the arrow

@nbro Rumor has it that someone wrote a whole document about that and all kinds of related problems

@nbro you got quite a number of suggestions over the last days. If they don't work it means your code is doing something unknown. And as long as you try to save time by not showing useful complete examples and avoiding to read the docs you will have to waste your time asking the same question again and again and trying out non working suggestions.

I want to move this arrow

to the right

you see that I use "(box2.east) -- (box3)"

@nbro Have a look at the chapter about the calc library in the tikz manual

the option [xshift=2pt] has no effect ...

how much do I hate latex!! it's like programming in C++!!

and I studied computer science and programming

Very nice!

I am in the right place, we can all ascertain

scopes also don't work

@nbro did you? And you didn't learn there how to analyze and present a problem?

who cares about that

I hate always more programming, to be honest

it only hurts your brain

just useless tedium

I made a very bad choice when I decided to program

It changed my life for worse, but definitely a lot worse

worst decision of my life

@nbro Maybe a WYSIWYG drawing tool like inkscape would be a better choice than tikz?

so far

finally

I found the damned solution lol

\hspace*{-2cm}

And I applied to the box rather than \draw

ok

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz yes, I guess, but I never used inkspace and I couldn't lose more time to get used to it, install it, etc

...

I guess that Beastie Boys' Sure Shot helped me

ahaha

@nbro When programming in C++ and having to deal with macro expansion which is what LaTeX does you are not really using C++ but try to append to + signs to C ;)

And the curious thing is that I was one of the best students during the systems programming class. Either my classmates were quite bad or something drastically happened to me... I guess that I was enlightened lol

Probably these sentences are not even well written

something drastically?

lol

that's definitely proper English

@JosephWright usage picking up at latexcgi.xyz:

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STACK POP

@DavidCarlisle ooh I forgot my while block, sorry. :)

:55371395

GS>pop
Error: /stackunderflow in --pop--

> Japan: Nintendo Switch family sells 70K units this week, Animal Crossing: New Horizons remains No.1

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz ^^

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@PauloCereda :) I did not realize that there were that many participants at TUG20

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz :)

@PauloCereda Every participant must have told their whole family, friends, village etc.

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz It was streamed on youtube

ooh villagers

@DavidCarlisle Streets in Japan were probably deserted, everybody was watching @PauloCereda's talk on youtube

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz ooh

We had a heckathon in Overleaf yesterday. Just doing the showcase now. A collague saying "I'll risk the live demo" and I'm like, famous last words...

@JosephWright do you have a better idea than \int_from_alph to make a simple encrypted/scrambled version of some text? tex.stackexchange.com/a/560287/2388

@UlrikeFischer there are some useful macros in xii.tex you could use

@DavidCarlisle but they are probably not expandable?

@UlrikeFischer most of them are actually:-)

@DavidCarlisle "most" is probably at least one short of what is needed in \HyperDestNameFilter ;-).

@UlrikeFischer all the obfuscation ones are, but you need to separate them from the ones doing the main recursive loops:-)

@UlrikeFischer this is presumably so the reader doesn't know the author used \cite{yetanotherdullpaperfromulrike}

@DavidCarlisle or \cite{notreadbutfrommyprof1} ;-)

@yo' Have you seen tex.stackexchange.com/questions/560286/why-is-directlua-broken ? The actual issue is that the Lua code is broken, but Overleaf's logfile parser doesn't pick up the error message, given the misleading impression that everything works. (IMO Overleaf gives that impression anyway, but in this case it is not visible even if you actively look into the error list.)

@MarcelKrüger thanks, will check!

@PauloCereda Actually, the Russian guy should sit in the front, I think. He's the real hero, as his language doesn't know of articles at all.

See: here

@AlexG ooh

Whatever possessed me to make this document? :)

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pdfpages}
\pagestyle{empty}
\begin{document}
\includepdf[pages=1-,nup=1x2,landscape,angle=45]{intro-book}
\end{document}

@PauloCereda hilarious and exactly what I needed right now, thanks!

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz <3

@AlanMunn ooh

@AlanMunn angle=45 looks interesting ;-)

@UlrikeFischer He probably wanted to read the book... from another angle. :D

@UlrikeFischer I opened the PDF first to my great surprise. (It's from 10 yrs ago).

@PauloCereda :D

@AlanMunn I like how one section is named "The great vowel shift". :D

@PauloCereda You're on fire today.:)

@AlanMunn <3

Speaking of weird formatting, I thought something was off with my most recent answer. It is. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/353446/…. Can't say I'm a fan.

@AlanMunn I've used a local css file since the last big change, may have to reset the line spacing at least

One for @PhelypeOleinik tex.stackexchange.com/questions/560306/… :-)

@DavidCarlisle I just added \NewCommandCopy ;-)

@UlrikeFischer stealing his hard earned rep, you'll grow up to be like @egreg

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@DavidCarlisle blush ;-((

@UlrikeFischer /hug

@DavidCarlisle I think one only needs to move the \@reset@ptions in \@onefilewithoptions a few lines down behind the \@popfilename.

@UlrikeFischer haven't looked yet, has that changed? (If we are changing onefilewithoptions its so tempting to lose the zapspace:-)

@DavidCarlisle yes, in various places. Mostly imho for the "disable" code. I didn't try to follow every change, but it is obvious that the order of the pop and the reset code got mixed up. But the zapspace isn't there, that is in \@fileswith@pti@ns and that hasn't changed ;-(

@UlrikeFischer yes but it's the same thing just with a few @ moved around

@DavidCarlisle I wonder if something else is missing. The old code of \@onefilewithoptions contained a \let\CurrentOption\@empty and that is gone.

@UlrikeFischer im on a zoom call will look later

@DavidCarlisle Now I can blame @UlrikeFischer if something's broken :-)

@PhelypeOleinik In my test it worked, so I have hope it isn't broken (I was quite keen to try out the new commands, and the question was an opportunity. ;-))

@UlrikeFischer I confess I don't fully understand LaTeX's option system, so I may have screwed something up. Can't look at it before the weekend, unfortunately

@UlrikeFischer No problem at all :-)

@PhelypeOleinik @DavidCarlisle will look and I will try to look in the evening too (but I don't understand the option system either, I only know how to inject a "zapspace" in the right place if someone complains that it doesn't work).

@UlrikeFischer :-)

@PhelypeOleinik The original code was brilliant, if you've broken something we can blame @UlrikeFischer for not explaining it to you sufficiently.

@DavidCarlisle Nothing that \zap@space can't fix. Or so I heard :-)

Hi to all user into chat.

@Sebastiano ciao

@PauloCereda My best regards from the "Sicily-Sahara" ahaahah

@Sebastiano greetings from somewhere in the Brazilian jungle. :)

@DavidCarlisle Dear David. A quick request: it's out of the question with LaTeX and I simply need it for a CV. What do you think my level as a LaTeX user is? Thank you very much.

@PauloCereda Attention to anacondas ahahah

@Sebastiano sucuris are better. :)

@Sebastiano no idea what you'd put on a cv "experienced" perhaps?

@PhelypeOleinik I stared at it for several days before writing expkv-opt, and I still have no idea :)

Bah GitKraken does not accept private repos...

@PauloCereda use emacs git modes instead

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz in relation to that you might want to comment on github.com/latex3/latex2e/tree/rawoptions which is a resurected version of code from github.com/latex3/latex2e/issues/85 (it is not going to make it into the october release but hopefully in the next dev release after that for the May 2021 release

@UlrikeFischer MD5?

@DavidCarlisle, @UlrikeFischer Did the LaTeX-L question come up?

@JosephWright no

@DavidCarlisle Hmm, someone should say something

@JosephWright isn't that only for files? I needed to change a few tokens/a string.

@JosephWright perhaps "sorry, everyone is busy we will come back later"?

@UlrikeFischer The primitives work for strings, I've just not needed to provide an interface

@UlrikeFischer I see @moewe had much the same idea

@JosephWright yes, and he changed all the internal biblatex commands.

@UlrikeFischer :)

@UlrikeFischer I've grabbed dvipdfmx from W32TeX: all looks good, I'll adjust for color spaces

@UlrikeFischer I was wondering if we might raise having a method to set just stroke/nonstroke color on the stack

@JosephWright hm, I can't find anything in the doc about the new stuff, but I suspect that there is still only one stack. Perhaps we should ask about it, not only for stroke/non-stroke, but to be able to add transparency, and color footnotes.

@PauloCereda What is "sucuris"? :-)

@DavidCarlisle I'm interesting to understand for your opinion my level with a technic specific word

@Sebastiano I really have no idea, sorry. That would be my suggestion if you wanted to say anything about latex just say you are an experienced user, I don't see what other things you (or anyone) can say other than list specific objective things such as "maintain zzz package on ctan" or "maintain latex code used for all school exam papers" or whatever. But I haven't written a CV for over 20 years so I'm not the person to ask about cv writing:-)