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12:03 AM

@StefanKottwitz I'll get around to making a MWE to make sure it isn't something dumb that I've done.

Stefan Kottwitz

@Canageek I think a proper test case is more important than being as minimal as possible.

12:21 AM

I wish there were a way to write a LaTeX command that shortens a URL.

samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz

@LaTeXereXeTaL shorten the url is easy - as long as the result does not have to work :)

@LaTeXereXeTaL ... but more seriously, what do you have in mind? Do you want a macro to automatically get a short url from one of the usual providers? This might be possible with lualatex. Or print only part of the url while linking to the full one? Then hyperref is your friend

12:37 AM

@StefanKottwitz Yep, found a bug, and a workaround and have a great example.

Stefan Kottwitz

@Canageek That's perfect!

Hope I did this right: github.com/josephwright/notes2bib/issues/1

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz Well, LOL, I had the second thing in mind. My students use GlowScript (GlowScript.org) for programming and since Google discontinued its URL shortening service the URLs students must cut and paste into their LaTeX documents are so long. I'd like them to be shorter to make the code look neater.

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6:09 AM

@Canageek regarding a): you can simply use the title option.

6:42 AM

@Canageek I feel for you, and can relate. Writing a thesis is stressful. On the plus side, the TeX community is helpful and supportive. I hope your adviser is too.

@LaTeXereXeTaL You could turn it into a QR-code...

@StefanKottwitz Originally that answer was, imho, poor and didn't show any considerations neither did it answer the questions of the OP of that meta post. So to answer "or is that answer strange?", yes, it was. After your edits it got way better, did actually explain things, etc. (again, I did not downvote it, neither when it was in my eyes poor, nor later)

7:22 AM

@StefanKottwitz I write also here because I don't know if you come back to TA to see my message there. I didn't downvote tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8658/…, but I think it was downvoted because the decision to delete the answer was automatically taken (based on flags) and not carefully examining the case. Please stop considering TA people as your downvoters and begin doing a little bit of self-critique.

@StefanKottwitz TA is not perfect, there are some behavioral problems also there, but we are trying to solve them in a constructive way.

2 hours later…

9:07 AM

quack

1 hour later…

Stefan Kottwitz

10:09 AM

@Skillmon It was just an example post. So, you say, 9 downvotes on an explanation of flag handling would be usual feedback on TeX.SE meta. Since then, getting a quick downvote on each single answer on TeX.SE meta is the new normal.

> You Can Now Install Microsoft Windows Calculator on Linux

@PauloCereda the calculator is quite nice. You can learn than 400 inches are around 0.13 jumbojets, and 4000 teaspoons are around 0.05 bathtubs, and 140 pounds 0.02 elephants.

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@UlrikeFischer ooh

Stefan Kottwitz

@CarLaTeX I take the downvotes since July. At some point (and as it looks I'm not the only targeted meta user) I'm worrying about intentional meta voting distortion that's not based on content.

@CarLaTeX @Skillmon I'm just letting you know. I know you both are constructive.

@CarLaTeX I wonder how they are doing it. I look forward to it.

10:34 AM

@StefanKottwitz I have no idea what really happened and who the downvoters are. I just want to point out that the answer was in a bad shape originally, so I in part can understand downvotes (maybe not as many as fast as it happened) which happened during that time, that's everything. As a result, I wouldn't draw such connections as you did, that the users of TA target you, there just is no real evidence for that. As such those seem like unsubstantial accusations against a whole group of users.

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@StefanKottwitz I for one feel accused of something I certainly did not do and have no knowledge of.

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Stefan Kottwitz

@Skillmon A single "active" user, not you. I just see the TA connection and this "revenge" looking thing.

@Skillmon yesterday I suggested on the TA chat to start fixing this.

@Skillmon have to go to work, see you later

@StefanKottwitz Well, of course I can't disprove anything here, just like I can't prove anything. The information is just too sparse (or more precise: to us, as we don't see the full database). Sadly many points of my online places of (La)TeX are falling apart, starting with TeX.SX thanks to the powers that be.

@StefanKottwitz in a manner in that I didn't understand what you wanted to fix...

@StefanKottwitz Have a nice day!

Stefan Kottwitz

@Skillmon who may be able to fix, knows

@Skillmon have a nice day too!

@StefanKottwitz have to take your word for it :)

@Skillmon /protects mr. rabbit

10:52 AM

@PauloCereda appreciated! But we killer rabbits have thick fur, the bigger problem is our own easy to boil temper and hard to swallow pride.

@Skillmon ooh I can quack a lot, if that helps

@PauloCereda your presence is always helping! Thank you.

samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz

11:17 AM

@LaTeXereXeTaL I'm not familiar with this glow thingy, but if the shortening follows some predictable rules, that should certainly be possible.

11:28 AM

@Skillmon /hugs

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12:34 PM

Hello moderators, @JosephWright, @MartinScharrer, @StefanKottwitz. A much-improved LaTeX grammar will be part of the next highlight.js release (10.3).
When it is adopted by Stack Exchange (hopefully soon), the highlighting style sheet for our site will need to be adjusted, as the classes used by the grammar have changed (I can provide a full list).
Do you have direct or indirect access to that style sheet and can make sure that it is changed appropriately when the new version is installed?
Or do we need to rally some community members to try and get someone's attention?

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samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz

@schtandard Maybe try to comment on the post on main meta? Whoever is responsible for the highlighting might see it there?

@schtandard thanks for doing this!

@schtandard First, thanks for this. Second, I believe mods can't access this. I'm not sure whether by current standards, the child meta is watched by the SE Team (maybe with a specific tag?).

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz Yeah, that's what I will do if the answer is "No, we don't have any access or influence". Will wait for the actual release, though. (Should be today or tomorrow, I think.)

samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz

@yo' I wouldn't even be sure that main meta is still watched ....

12:42 PM

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz that is a point.. :-(

@DavidCarlisle, @yo' I'm happy to help. :-)

Stefan Kottwitz

@schtandard For best visibility: you could post a meta question and add the feature-request tag ("feature-request: You have an idea for a new feature, or for a change to the existing functionality."). SE staff may subscribe to and watch such tags. Plus a comment on the other meta post with a link to the new post. So there are two chances to be seen, and your bigger post can have more explanation and a screenshot of the new syntax highlighting than a comment.

samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz

@yo' ... but I've heard twitter is a good place for feature requests :)

Stefan Kottwitz

@schtandard Thank you for letting us know, I already looked into highlight.js for other forums! (where I used GeSHi but the latest software broke it).

@StefanKottwitz Ok, I will do that. (I think one of the highlight.js maintainers wanted to post something on the main Meta regarding the new release as well. I'll wait for him to go first.)

@StefanKottwitz I was hoping you had someone from the company on hand, but that doesn't seem to be the case then..

Stefan Kottwitz

12:46 PM

@schtandard Sounds good! And on our meta, you could show the LaTeX part.

@StefanKottwitz Yes, will do.

Stefan Kottwitz

@schtandard Contacts with the company staff are pretty rare, they got many things to do.

@StefanKottwitz If you think a single user or some users are persecuting you, please inform the powers, without accusing TA people. I feel accused like @Skillmon of something I didn't do. When I downvote your answers, like tex.meta.stackexchange.com/a/8617/101651, it is because I don't agree with it.

@StefanKottwitz Of course they do. But I would have thought it plausible that they keep an open line with the moderators, at least from the more active sites, and ask for feedback from time to time.
But I have seen some discontent with the company throughout the network for quite some time, so the absence of this channel of communication isn't too surprising, either.

Stefan Kottwitz

@CarLaTeX I will follow your suggestion and inform the powers to work on it, on Monday. Note, that I tried to talk about fixing that issue in your TA chat yesterday. You have also the option, not just talking to me ;-) (and of cause to all other mods) but also among TA users to talk to each other, if you think there may be an issue to fix.

@CarLaTeX I'll let the weekend pass and see what happens. And I won't post on meta, you know why.

Sorry for the noise, but my last night's frustrated rant turned into a discussion.

1:45 PM

user image

I want:
· integers without zeros, e.g. -2 ---> -2
· non-integers with zerofill,
e.g. 1.23 ---> 1.2300
e.g. 1.2345 --> 1.2345

What do I have to set?

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfplotstable}
\pgfplotsset{compat=1.17}

\begin{document}
\pgfplotstableset{col sep=comma}
\section{Actual}
\pgfplotstabletypeset[
fixed relative,
zerofill,  precision=4,  % no effect
]{
0, 1,  -2,  1.23,  1.2345
}

\section{Target}
\pgfplotstabletypeset[string type]{
0, 1,  -2,  1.2300,  1.2345
}
\end{document}

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Q: pgfmath: Integers without zeros, non-integers with zerofill (and fixed)

I want: · integers without zeros, e.g. -2 ---> -2 · non-integers with zerofill, e.g. 1.23 ---> 1.2300 e.g. 1.2345 --> 1.2345 What do I have to set? \documentclass{article} \usepackage{pgfplotstable} \pgfplotsset{compat=1.17} \begin{document} \pgfplotstableset{col sep=comma} \section{Actual}...

tikz-pgf pgfplotstable pgfmath number

2:49 PM

@barbarabeeton so slow (7 sec :-)

3:03 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- Well, I was checking a related question, and my laptop is finicky, which slows me down. (I really miss having a "managed" desktop environment.)

@DavidCarlisle quack

@barbarabeeton did you get a new machine? Can you get a github account now?

@PauloCereda dinner

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Yo! How do you do?

3:27 PM

@yo' hi!

Stefan Kottwitz

3:59 PM

@PauloCereda Hi Paulo! How is the situation in your area?

@StefanKottwitz dangerous, people are not respecting social distancing and sanitary protocols... :(

@PauloCereda Bloody hell

@PauloCereda Unfortunately much the same here

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda here, we are wearing masks all the time at work except when alone in a room at the workplace

still the wave comes up

@StefanKottwitz We are not in the labs, but are in offices and corridors

@StefanKottwitz pretty similar here, we're allowed to not wear a mask when we're only two in the same room and can keep the distance. As soon as that doesn't work anymore we have to wear masks as well as when we leave our own bureau.

4:03 PM

@StefanKottwitz sadly, we are in spring, which is very hot, close to 40C. People simply ignore any precautions.

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda I understand, I can feel that too! Still it's dangerous in the big view.

@PauloCereda I got a new job and new friends there, I fly every week there, now accommodation bans are coming and a lockdown is close, I would miss them.

@StefanKottwitz it is, and where I live the situation is worse: we do not have an hospital, it's just a first aid post with no conditions to offer treatment. A patient should be moved to a nearby city, and the options are terrible: these cities have huge numbers of contamination in the entire countryside...

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda Do you have actual cases where you live?

@StefanKottwitz 45

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda of 100.000 ?

4:09 PM

@StefanKottwitz of 3.5k

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda ooh

@PauloCereda I wouldn't have thought that, months ago, that it's so dangerous even in hot climate. In March we thought it gets better once it gets warm.

@PauloCereda Now we have autumn and fear the winter.

@PauloCereda Are you able to work from home?

@StefanKottwitz that's what we were counting on, specially with these high temperatures around.

@StefanKottwitz sort of...

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda is the government providing support in general?

@StefanKottwitz not that much, sadly....

@StefanKottwitz it's complicated, considering the way the country is divided, and this is also an electoral year...

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda an electoral year should be positive for supporting the people

Let's hope the world gets closer after going through that pandemic together.

4:24 PM

@StefanKottwitz It's again complicated...

@FaheemMitha Thank you, they are very helpful

4:45 PM

A user just greeted us "Hi Latex". I had to go look in the mirror to ensure myself.

@DavidCarlisle -- Yes, I've got a new laptop, and it more or less behaves. (It sometimes types things I don't, often changes focus when I don't tell it to, and deletes for reasons not yet determined things that I just finished typing.) The remote tech (actually the guy who "built" it) has been helpful, but some of these problems he hasn't been able to replicate yet, so doesn't have enough evidence to debug. I know I should have had a career as a destructive tester!

@yo' ouch

@PauloCereda Note to self: Do not put Latex on the list of child name candidates.

@yo' -- Of the entire TeX zoo, the only name I'd even remotely consider for a child is "Meta".

@yo' also: twitter.com/paulocereda/status/1229783564801265666

4:59 PM

@PauloCereda oh then don't look at twitter.com/latex_bot/likes

@yo' :)

@barbarabeeton oh no way! But Overleaf, that might be a name :D

@DavidCarlisle -- I thought I had succeeded in getting a github account. But that doesn't mean I know how to make pull requests or do any other sort of updating. Have you got a particular issue I should look at?

@barbarabeeton still better than bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52557291

@yo' ouch

@PauloCereda /sarcasm

5:01 PM

@yo' quack :)

@PauloCereda And you know what? I have a thing for this. Not that I would call my child such a crazy name, but I'm all for unusual names.

@yo' ooh

@yo' Unicode generation :)

@yo' me too, actually. :)

@PauloCereda You know that even Unicode might not be enough? From what I heard, in China you can get a completely new letter for your child's name. You have to get it approved by an official typographer, but then you can assign any pronunciation to it and that's it :)

@yo' Wow!

@yo' -- But is the pronunciation limited to the traditional Chinese syllable pronunciations?

5:08 PM

@barbarabeeton yep of course. It has to comply with the typography and the language. So for the Western world, the child would be just another Zheng or so, but in China, the name would be unique.

5:19 PM

In case someone else feels like explaining...

Hi @wipet. Thank you for the answer. It works, but I don't understand "The trick #2#3) instead only #2) removes the optional space before such parameter." Can you elaborate on what is going on here? In particular, what is #3 matching? I printed it out, and it looks like #2 is matching 2 and #3 is matching an empty string. And how does that remove the optional space, anyway? — Faheem Mitha 36 secs ago

I spent some time looking at this, and can honestly say that I don't understand what is going on here. But I find that's not unusual with TeX.

I read the section in "TeX by Topic" about "Delimited parameters". I.e. 11.5.2. It's quite lucid, but doesn't help me understand what is happening here.

Btw, considering names, it's funny among Christians in Czechia.

Catholics mostly use names of saints -- either biblical such as Mary, Joseph, Paul, John, Madelaine, ... or from the church history such as Dominik, Benedikt, George, Therese, ...

Whereas protestant/reformed often stick to Hebrew names, and more so for girls: Ruth, Rebecca, Ester, Rachel, ... but for boys too: David, Adam, Joel, Dan, ...

@yo' Interesting!

@PauloCereda yeah, by the names of children, you often can't distinquish protestant family from a Jewish one :-)

@yo' :)

@yo' in Brazil, a lot of people give names based on common/famous characters of the soap opera being aired at the time... :(

@PauloCereda well, as long as the name is not completely ridiculous...

but I get what you mean: it shows what's important to people.

5:28 PM

@yo' most are :(

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda And some like to scatter random "y" in their kids' names :)

@PhelypeOleinik :)

On the other hand, I'm from a generation with many boys name Tomáš after the first Czechoslovak president Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk 1918--1935. This was a silent protest against the communists, as Masaryk was a democrat. That's just a different way of fashion...

Phelype Oleinik

@FaheemMitha In \def\coordA(#1,#2), the parameter #2 is a delimited parameter (because it's not followed directly by another parameter), so it grabs everything to the ), including spaces. In \def\coordA(#1,#2#3), #2 is an undelimited parameter, so TeX skips blanks when looking for the argument.

@PhelypeOleinik Oh. Ok, thank you for the explanation. Trying to digest it now.

Going back to read "TeX by Topic" again.

I guess this would be the relevant sentence.

> When looking for the argument corresponding to a delimited parameter, TEX absorbs all tokens without expansion (but balancing braces) until the (exact sequence of) delimiting tokens is encountered.

All tokens, including blank ones, presumably.

Phelype Oleinik

5:43 PM

@FaheemMitha Precisely

In contrast:

> When a macro with an undelimited parameter, for instance a macro \foo with one parameter is expanded, TEX scans ahead (without expanding) until a non-blank token is found.

Phelype Oleinik

@FaheemMitha Yes, that's why the extra undelimited argument to kill blanks

@PhelypeOleinik Ok. Is there some obvious reason for this contrasting behavior?

Phelype Oleinik

@FaheemMitha Ask Knuth? No idea, he just made it that way

@PhelypeOleinik LOL

5:51 PM

@PhelypeOleinik Ok. I don't think I'll ask Knuth, though. But I guess what I mean to ask - would different behavior be reasonable? Sometimes things behave a certain way because the alternatives are not good, for some reason.

@PhelypeOleinik Though the other question is - what is #3 matching? It seems that it's matching nothing, and if so, is that ok?

@FaheemMitha If I may, I don't think there's an objective answer. You probably could delve into TeX the program in the hopes of catching any optimization trick for the lexer to behave like that and not the other way. Or perhaps it's just by design. At the end of the day, @PhelypeOleinik is right, Knuth is the infalible interpreter and the only one who could give you a firm answer on that regard. Everything else is pure speculation...

@PauloCereda Well, ok then.

Phelype Oleinik

@FaheemMitha One advantage of having two behaviours is that you have both when you need them. Otherwise you'd be stuck with one or the other. The actual reason, probably only one person knows :-)

@FaheemMitha Empty if the second number is a single digit. The second digit onwards otherwise. Besides, if you didn't have #3 you'd be back at square one with a delimited parameter.

@PhelypeOleinik quite, it was a matter of convenience. :)

@PhelypeOleinik So in this specific case, #3 doesn't match anything?

And that's ok?

Phelype Oleinik

6:01 PM

@FaheemMitha Yes :)

@PhelypeOleinik Ok. Again, my point was simply to ask whether there is some compelling reason to do it this way and not some other way. It seems there is not. And that's fine.

Though if I was writing about this, I'd probably highlight the difference, because it seems quite significant. But perhaps the author of "TeX by Topic" has a lot of ground to cover.

Phelype Oleinik

@FaheemMitha Well, that's the reason I can think of right now (didn't really think about the why before)

@PhelypeOleinik That it gives one alternatives?

So it's really ok for a parameter not to match anything?

I would have sort of thought it might give an error.

Phelype Oleinik

@FaheemMitha Yes. It would be a pain to detect or kill blanks if both ways discarded or always included them. This gives you some room to play around with macros

@PhelypeOleinik Yes, I see that. Is this a well-known technique?

Phelype Oleinik

6:06 PM

@FaheemMitha Definitely okay (wipet wouldn't suggest that otherwise). It's used quite often

@FaheemMitha Yes, for trimming spaces around an argument, for example

@PhelypeOleinik Well, if it's ok, it's ok. But TeX seems to consider a lot of things errors, so not sure why it's making an exception here. Maybe for reasons of flexibility?

I.e. maybe Knuth or whoever designed this has such use cases in mind.

Phelype Oleinik

6:22 PM

@FaheemMitha No reason to be an error. An empty argument is as much an argument as any other. For example, both \usepackage{foo} and \usepackage[]{foo} do the exact same thing, with an empty argument. It boils down to what the macro (in this case \usepackage) understands of the empty argument (in this case no options; no reason for “no options” to be an error)

@PhelypeOleinik Ok, fair enough. I didn't think about empty arguments in other places.

7:06 PM

@PhelypeOleinik Would it be reasonable/appropriate to add some detail to wipets answer as per the discussion above?

@FaheemMitha IMHO it's not, but that's me. :)

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda Hola, question, how many previous kernel versions does "fedora" save by default?

rpm -qa | kernel-core

@FaheemMitha it gives the expected behaviour most of the time

7:21 PM

@PabloGonzálezL Good question! Mine says 3.... and yours?

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda Same thing, but, I don't remember running dnf -y remove kernel-core....

@PauloCereda He does it automatically and I haven't noticed anything change from fedora 30 to date in this respect

I think I saw dnf removing old kernels...

@PabloGonzálezL Actually, let me rephrase...

It probably keeps the latest X.Y.Z version.

$ rpm -qa | grep kernel-core
kernel-core-5.8.14-200.fc32.x86_64
kernel-core-5.8.13-200.fc32.x86_64
kernel-core-5.8.15-201.fc32.x86_64

13, 14 and 15, with their latest patch (200, 200 and 201)

@JosephWright ^^ consider Fedora, by the way

@barbarabeeton twitter.com/KiwiEV/status/1316493212605911040

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda Interesting, I will have to delete an old script I had to execute this job :)

@PabloGonzálezL :) Fedora 33 in a couple of days! Are you ready?

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda Oh... I hope it will be less complicated than *-dev :-)

7:35 PM

@PabloGonzálezL :)

@Pablo have you seen my postal install guide? :)

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda Do you install from scratch or upgrade? ...I've only been upgrading for years

@PabloGonzálezL I used to upgrade, but since my setup is now reduced to a minimum, I do a clean install. :)

Once in a while, it's good to do a clean install.

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda I have looked at it :-) ...I configure it in a similar way, with the exception of the TeX Live installation (I use corp to avoid unwanted dependencies)

@PabloGonzálezL Ah cool. I now install TeX Live in /opt instead of /usr/local. :)

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda The problem is the excess of dependencies of some IDE (texmaker/texstudio) that try to install a lot of libraries that only cause me problems, that's where corp comes into play :)

7:40 PM

@PabloGonzálezL :)

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda Thanks to the quarantine I have saved something, I think I will go for a Rayzen 5 as a Christmas present ...and the first thing will be to place fedora

@PabloGonzálezL ooh awesome!

@PabloGonzálezL someday I will get a decent workstation

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda With my family we go to the movies a lot, 7 months without going have allowed me to save :)

@PauloCereda And my current notebook only goes well with fedora, the partition with Win10 takes almost 5 minutes to start...enough time to prepare a good coffee

@PauloCereda -- Neat! Thanks. For the use of cofferdams, see the book by David McCullough on the building of the Brooklyn Bridge. For the use of buckets to empty water out of a pit, see the painting pictured on this page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… (The mastodon skeleton dug out of that pit is in the Natural History Museum in Darmstadt.)

@PabloGonzálezL ooh popcorn PC

@PabloGonzálezL All machines around here run Fedora, except dad's PC which is... win7...

@barbarabeeton ooh awesome!

Phelype Oleinik

7:47 PM

@PauloCereda At least it's not win 9 10

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda Second question, do you install using some spin (mate for example) or do you install minimum and then load everything?

@PhelypeOleinik quite! :)

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik Hola :-)

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL Hello! :-)

@PabloGonzálezL The default ISO (live then install to HD). I actually don't have any quarrels with Gnome 3.

Phelype Oleinik

7:48 PM

@PabloGonzálezL How are you doing?

Me gustam los patos

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik Here trying to update fedora and removing old things

@PauloCereda Asados?

@PabloGonzálezL oh no

/graznando en español

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda Mmm, in general I do minimum network installation (from a pendrive) and then I choose the graphic environment. The default ISO installs a lot of things I don't like (or use)

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL Oh, I don't trust OS version updates (nor do I like to reinstall them, so mine is a 4 year old one :)

7:51 PM

@PabloGonzálezL do you know Nicola Talbot wrote a chidren's book about a duck who lost a top hat in the Amazon?

@PauloCereda También me gusta el pato, especialmente el estilo chino.

And Gonzalo Medina translated it to Spanish:

amazon.co.uk/Cuac-Cuac-Devuelveme-Mi-Sombrero/dp/190944006X

By the way, Gonzalo is Colombian. :)

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Cuac, cuac, cuac. devuelveme mi sombrero ya!

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik In the case of fedora the update is quite clean and has not given me problems since fedora 30 (unlike win10)

@PauloCereda Eso es nuevo :-)

@PabloGonzálezL it is a nice book! I have it. :)

Pablo González L

Gonzalo daaba respuestas geniales :)

7:54 PM

@PabloGonzálezL Gonzalo is a great person!

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL I heard ~~@PauloCereda~~ good things about Fedora. I'll consider it in the future. Currently I use Ubuntu (the first one I learned to use after win7).

@PabloGonzálezL I tried win10 once. Once was enough

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik In a way I am forced to update myself in what is widnows, at work they change the computers and licenses every two years...I already got used to win 10

@PhelypeOleinik I once had Windows 10 integrated in my Mac through Parallels Desktop. It was a living hell.

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik It's a good distribution, but, I stay with Fedora :- )

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL Yeah, I'll probably be forced to eventually. I used it a few weeks after launch (and it was awful), but I heard it improved a lot over time, so I'm (a bit) less scared now :)

@PauloCereda :-)

Pablo González L

7:58 PM

@PhelypeOleinik I miss win 98 :(

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL Yeah, but it has its quirks. I have 16.04 now (with Unity) and I got used to the interface. But for 18.04 Canonical switched to a mobile-like full of transitions and other fancy graphics stuff that I definitely didn't like, so I'm good with 16.04. And support is going to end eventually, so I'll have to switch

@PabloGonzálezL Oh, we had one of those here. I played MS Paint on it :D

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik I'm one of those who couldn't adapt to the gnome3 interface...I only use MATE without animations or given

$ arara eotex.dtx
__ _ _ __ __ _ _ __ __ _
/ _` | '__/ _` | '__/ _` |
| (_| | | | (_| | | | (_| |
\__,_|_| \__,_|_| \__,_|

Processing 'eotex.dtx' (size: 96.3 kB, last modified: 10/16/2020
12:16:27), please wait.

(PDFLaTeX) PDFLaTeX engine .............................. FAILURE

@PhelypeOleinik ^^

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL Which of the bugs is it dying on?

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik I was looking for some code to adapt something and I found it :)

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL (the version in git is incredibly outdated :-)

Pablo González L

8:03 PM

@PhelypeOleinik setspace

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL The git version on TL20?

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik Yep

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL Why do you want that?

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik What I miss is that you didn't have a lot of code in expl3

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL I didn't know expl3 at the time :-)

8:06 PM

@PabloGonzálezL oh no

@PabloGonzálezL MATE is very good!

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL I think you should blame @PauloCereda for that failure. It says arara after all :-)

@PhelypeOleinik oh no

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik I was looking for something specific (I wanted to see how a macro was written) and as you always leave the commented code is easier to understand

@PauloCereda Lo mejor :-)

@PhelypeOleinik 100% de acuerdo con esa afirmación

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL That code is the exact opposite of “commented” :-)

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik I noticed it after I cloned it :(

Phelype Oleinik

8:11 PM

@PabloGonzálezL If you comment that line it seems to compile. Quality of results not guaranteed :-)

@PabloGonzálezL oh no

Pablo González L

@PhelypeOleinik jejje

TeX Live or TeXLive?

Does it have space or not?

@PabloGonzálezL or sometimes tex-live, with a space normally

Phelype Oleinik

@PabloGonzálezL TL

@PabloGonzálezL see the title of its home page: tug.org/texlive

Pablo González L

8:14 PM

@DavidCarlisle Then the right thing to do is to use the separation space

@DavidCarlisle or use MiKTeX

:D

@PauloCereda sbtex

@PhelypeOleinik ^^ ooh Sílvio Santos' TeX [Brazilian joke, sorry]

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda Oh my...

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda As far as I have read there is a version of MiKTeX that can be installed on linux (I have never tried it)

Phelype Oleinik

8:19 PM

@DavidCarlisle I hope terrible jokes don't ruin the taste

@PabloGonzálezL no thanks. :)

@PhelypeOleinik oh no

/quacks in despair

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda Of course it doesn't say anything about 'cgwin' so I doubt that @DavidCarlisle will install it :-)

@PabloGonzálezL David is slowly moving to WSL :)

Pablo González L

@PauloCereda WSL2

3 hours later…

11:08 PM

The time difference between Europe and the east coast of America makes it difficult for me to watch the pros here in action.

@LaTeXereXeTaL yes we're all asleep at this time of night

@DavidCarlisle zzzzzzzzz

@UlrikeFischer it's even later for you:-)

Hello @PauloCereda

Would you please check my comment on your answer here?

When the folder is empty of any file except <main file>.tex and I delete that part of looking for changes in subfolders, I got an error message saying that there is an error running flag = found ('log','(Undefined control sequence|Error)') || flag; due to the missing *.log file. How can it be fixed, please? — Diaa Apr 19 at 19:59

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