TeX, LaTeX and Friends

2:10 AM

@DavidCarlisle put a comma at every number: 3,3,3,3,3

Hello!!

Is it true that the AMS Style Guide suggests the disuse of references to sections, subsections etc starting with lowercase? For example: "As seen in section 3.4..." (not "As seen in Section 3.4...")

It is somewhat incholent, since it uses capital letters for theorems, remarks, etc. I am aware that these environments are mathematical, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

4:03 AM

@marmot concerning to this question and your answer, do you think you can manually pick a path of some arrows so they do not collide with the pics? For example, we could use manoooh curve to modify only one arrow without changing the rest (remembering that that arrow must have the right color). Is it possible (using tikz)? I want to ask on the site but I do not know if it will be off-topic or something impossible to do

marmot

@manooooh Yes, I think it is possible. Most likely this "avoid this and that" curve will not make use of manoooh curve.

@marmot oh :((((. Sorry for asked something that later we will not use. Anyway, your answer is very helpful for any

I will ask soon, stay tuned! :P

marmot

@manooooh No, I do not think it won't be used. Rather, it is a common problem to avoid the dimension too large errors.

8:01 AM

@manooooh seems that way, most likely because sections usually have a name

Paulo Cereda

8:12 AM

@marmot ooh

@DavidCarlisle related to your talk yesterday, the package author ask for a recommendation of how to specify the ranges. They gave an example, say we have 3 versions of a font, x8, x9 and x10. Would this then be <-8.5> x8 <8.5-9.5> x9 <9.5-> x10? Personally I'm more leaning towards <-9> x8, <9-10> x9, <10-> x10.

8:28 AM

@daleif I usually do the former.

@egreg any reasoning why?

8:47 AM

@daleif probably best to follow the ranges used in fix-cm.sty (the choices are rather arbitrary, but that way at least they match other cm fonts)

@daleif actually in the older type1cm.sty that I did I used a different set of ranges (basically I only ever scaled up, never down) but fix-cm is sort of standard now.

9:02 AM

@DavidCarlisle thanks, I've passed on this information

ouch, the footnote package contains \let\fn@endnote\color@endgroup ...

@UlrikeFischer ping Frank:-)

@DavidCarlisle yes, another argument to activate them directly ;-)

JouleV

11:11 AM

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11:53 AM

Hmm, can .vf and .tfm files be used from the current directory? Or do the have to be moved to a proper TDS?

12:06 PM

@daleif imho the current directory should work.

hmm, I can get it to work with testfont (I did add it to the TDS), is it written somewhere in the log when it is reading a vf file?

@daleif The working directory is searched first

@daleif Use -recorder

Apparently I made a mistake, so I now have an entire font, that only contains one slot with the number 9. But it was a 9 from the font I wanted to used, so that is progress.

@egreg thanks that helped

Apparently the font I'm using as a base isn't proper so the (MAP trick I found in a old TUGBOAT article did not work that as expected, but that can be fixed by hand

The article is from 2004. I'm trying to play with a math font. Shouldn't this work?

\pdfmapline{+myfont text <cmssmi10.pfb}

@daleif Not sure whether the .map extension is implied

@egreg ohh, I actually need a map file for it. I got that one from tex.stackexchange.com/a/27753/3929

12:21 PM

@daleif Sorry, I misread for \pdfmapfile. This should work, provided the Postscript name is text

@egreg he is using \pdfmapline not \pdfmapfile. @daleif it should work (but I normally use = and not +), but I don't what you expect it to do.

@egreg pdflatex normally didn't care much about the name. dvips was always picky.

@UlrikeFischer I'll fix the vpl file and make it work with testfont. I wanted it to replace the use of a specific font. Not even sure that is possible. It seemed to be from the answer I pointed to above

@daleif but you are not doing any reencoding in the map line, so why don't you use cmssmi10 directly instead of myfont?

@UlrikeFischer not understood. I'm trying to make a virtual font where some chars from cmssmi10 has been replaced by some from another font. And then I'd like LaTeX to replace its use of cmssmi10 by this virtual font.

@daleif I think you got it wrong. If you have a virtual font that takes say chars from cmr and from cmssmi10 you don't change the map file. E.g. putb7t.vf is a virtual font, but you will find no entry for it in pdftex.map.

12:37 PM

Then how do you activate it? I'd rather not have to do all those \Declare... yet again. I already got burned once by that.

12:49 PM

Hmm, it seems to be doable via DeclareFontShape. Really need some better guides for this.

@daleif you will have to. The access in latex to a font goes through the fd-declarations.

@UlrikeFischer I tried to but it does not work for some reason. Giving up for now. And, no, lualatex is not an option is this case.

1:38 PM

@daleif you could sent me your stuff and can look at it - but not next week, there is Dante meeting and I will be busy.

barbara beeton

1:50 PM

@manooooh -- Yes, it is true that "see section" is lowercase. The reason is probably to avoid an overly "choppy" appearance; it's hard enough to achieve a consistent color in a page full of mathematical notation. The AMS Style Guide describes the style adopted by a particular publisher, and other publishers may observe different conventions.

yo'

@manooooh @barbarabeeton Best is simply to go with \S\,3.4

2:11 PM

@yo' Dear me! The dreaded §!

yo'

2:35 PM

@egreg Don't swear over my beloved symbol!

Raaja

2:45 PM

@JouleV As promised, you can expect a pie baked via tikz anytime today ;) (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/479395/…)\

It is getting baked now :D

3:05 PM

@Raaja Did anyone mention cake?

JouleV

@Raaja :) Great!

3:21 PM

@JosephWright now that Frank has settled for latex-dev, shouldn't the name be changed in the build.lua?

Raaja

@samcarter indeed ;). @JouleV ;)

3:38 PM

@Raaja Good cake seems to take a while to bake :)

@UlrikeFischer Hmm, it does seem to actually work. Just did not realize exactly which parts of math text is taken from which font (looking at a-zA-Z0-9 it normal math, mathit, etc). So it seems to be solvable, just need a lot of editing work. Will probably write a program to do the editing.

Joseph Wright

3:54 PM

@UlrikeFischer Yes I guess

@JosephWright and as I just saw, what about the babel commits on master?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer I asked Javier, he didn't reply

Raaja

@samcarter apparently true though, after an hour its finally ready ;)

@barbarabeeton I cannot see a relation between "An ugly style" and "Hard to achieve a consistent color in a math page". For hyperlinks I only use black style font, and white background, like normal text

4:09 PM

@Raaja :) the colour looks like strawberry cake!

@manooooh "colour" here doesn't mean colour as in red or green it is a typographer's term meaning an even level of grey, that is if you look at the page from a distance are there uneven patches of white

4:20 PM

@DavidCarlisle from the keyvaltable announcement: "* new package option "NoTabuPkg" to disable automatic loading of the tabu package."

4:32 PM

@yo' :-P

@DavidCarlisle ok, thanks! However, I do not understand why "see Section" will cause some kind of problem. It is just a letter

5:23 PM

Are any fonts and/or windows experts around? I tried answering the question tex.stackexchange.com/q/480946/36296 but for some reason the OP seems not to find the font, but the very end of the log file mentions some location for the font (log file: pastebin.com/Pq0kSSvY ) What can this mean?

T1 calibri makes no sense (or at least not much) why not TU (Unicode) ?

@DavidCarlisle I have no idea. I don't find any mention of T1 Calibri if I compile it myself with lualatex from texlive

@samcarter \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} is forcing T1 encoding (bad) now fontspec loaded later ought to be setting it back to TU but perhaps the OP isn't doing quite as shown, deleting the line can't hurt:-)

@DavidCarlisle Oh, thanks! I removed this line from my answer and quoted your advice :)

6:10 PM

@egreg I think this is for you, you probably know what italian.ldf is doing tex.stackexchange.com/q/480948/2388

6:24 PM

@UlrikeFischer I know what it's doing: a mess.