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Sebastiano
Sebastiano
12:00 AM
I'm trying to do it. I get a lot of comments that are right reprimands and I accept them. Learning from the mistakes.
 
G. Bay
G. Bay
I finally manage to do something more approximate
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A: Ideas to recreate this using latex

G. BayThis is the best I manage to do with tcolorbox's posterlibrary. The grey box was not included and some tricks with tables. I am not an expert with tcolorbox so any suggestions/corrections are welcome. Other questions you might want to have a look: this boxes, this form and this other form. ...

 
Sebastiano
Sebastiano
Good evening to new enter users.
 
marmot
marmot
@Sebastiano Well, if you are from Syracuse, you could use "Don't disturb my circles!". (Don't worry, the Roman soldiers have died out by now. ;-)
 
Sebastiano
Sebastiano
@Sigur I got your second comment this morning. He wrote to me that I had copied a code and changed a few fragments, on a question I had written a year ago. Now I can't answer what I wrote a while ago, but the first thing I did was delete it.
 
Sigur
Sigur
@marmot, I didn' know that. Nice!
 
Sebastiano
Sebastiano
12:03 AM
@Sigur balls :-) or genitals :-) It says here not to break my balls, but in a vulgar way :-)
 
Sigur
Sigur
@Sebastiano, so, don't worry. Just enjoy the community.
 
Sebastiano
Sebastiano
@Sigur Yes, but I can't be persecuted almost every week. I am here to learn from everyone. I am not interested in any kind of race.
@marmot Do you have read: not to break my balls :-).
@Sigur It's 1:09 a.m. here at my place at night. Tomorrow she wakes up early at 07:20, which tomorrow I am on duty at school. Thank you so much for your patience and help. I wish you all the best and to all of you. Good night. Good work.
 
Sigur
Sigur
@Sebastiano, if you feel that something really very bad is happening, you can try to report maybe. I have no experience on that.
 
Sebastiano
Sebastiano
Good night everybody and good LaTeX. Night.
@Sigur I have flagged three times this another user.
 
Sigur
Sigur
@good night.
 
Sebastiano
Sebastiano
12:10 AM
A big huge.
 
user388537
12:26 AM
@Sebastiano Why are you wailing? Is it not true that your answer was copied from another user without mentioning where you had the code from?
 
Michelle
Michelle
@barbarabeeton oh ok, thanks
@PauloCereda hi mr duck :)
 
manooooh
manooooh
1:27 AM
@marmot if you do not have a girlfriend you should consider starting to see the wonders that I just found from this girl:
:):)
Can I ask why the first paragraph after a section DOES NOT have indentation?
 
 
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Alan Munn
Alan Munn
2:45 AM
@manooooh Tradition.
 
marmot
marmot
3:04 AM
@manooooh I guess my wife might get angry if I had a girl friend. ;-)
 
manooooh
manooooh
@AlanMunn thanks!!! Oh, but any paragraph should have indentation :(
@marmot lol sorry!
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@manooooh Well that's a different tradition. But I think the logic is that the section heading itself serves to identify the paragraph as a new paragraph, so no indentation is required.
 
marmot
marmot
3:36 AM
@manooooh No worries!
 
 
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manooooh
manooooh
4:48 AM
@DavidCarlisle you should update this page from "1993-2017" to "1993-2019"
 
 
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David Carlisle
David Carlisle
7:56 AM
@manooooh actually I don't need to that is just the copyright for the text in that file which hasn't changed since then, but it's probably clearer to update it (or remove it) as hand maintained dates are a pain.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle ^^ it looks like other people decide to count stuff too. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda why isn't it asking important questions like how many times does someone say quack?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle ooh an important question
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda 5652
 
 
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AlexG
AlexG
9:37 AM
@AndréC Interesting idea to convert TikZ animations to animate ones using snapshots.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@AlexG: I never had the chance to tell you, but your duck animation was my favourite part of my entire TikZducks talk. :)
 
AlexG
AlexG
@PauloCereda Really? Thank you! But I must admit it was strongly inspired by @marmot and @samcarter. They had the idea of the singing duck and the paper boot passing by.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@AlexG Did you watch my talk? You can notice how happy I am when showing your animation. :)
 
AlexG
AlexG
@PauloCereda I would like to! Was it recorded? Can you provide a link?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@AlexG Sure thing, just ignore my poor English. :) youtube.com/watch?v=Ps2FK0q6mLc I show your duck at 12:55
 
AlexG
AlexG
9:45 AM
@PauloCereda Thank you. Will look at this in the afternoon. I have an appointment with my team leader around mid-day.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@AlexG ;)
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
10:02 AM
Does anybody know how the opening thingies of a speech bubble are called (so the symbols leading from the head of whatever speaks to the bubble)?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Skillmon see in english you can use a sentence with multiple words you don't have to invent a custom long word:-) I don't think there is a specific name, see for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_balloon
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@DavidCarlisle and how would you call it in one word? Would leader be ok?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Skillmon I wouldn't use one word I think, or at least I wouldn't expect a reader to understand it unless the context was very clear or i added a phrase as you have above saying which part of the "speech bubbles" you mean
 
AlexG
AlexG
@DavidCarlisle @Skillmon They call it "tail" in the Wkipage.
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@DavidCarlisle say it would be an option of a package.
 
AlexG
AlexG
10:17 AM
@Skillmon "tail" acc. to the linked Wikipage
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Skillmon ah code not English, spaces are of course evil there (not to mention that I \zap@space remove them. perhaps as @AlexG just said
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@AlexG thanks, just searched for it and you seem to be right.
 
AlexG
AlexG
@Skillmon : I'd suggest option bubbletype=speech|thought|...
 
samcarter
samcarter
@Skillmon I think in tikz they are called "pointer"
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@samcarter wiki says tail.
 
samcarter
samcarter
10:27 AM
@Skillmon I don't disagree with tail, just wanted to add some more confusion :)
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@AlexG planning to have tail-1 and tail-2, tail-1 being the uppermost symbol and tail-2 the rest fo them (or something along those names).
@samcarter because they didn't do their research like I did.
 
samcarter
samcarter
@Skillmon :)
 
AlexG
AlexG
@Skillmon These aren't "speaking" names. I don't know your pkg, but two separate options, one for the type, another one for the content would be optimal, I think.
 
samcarter
samcarter
@Skillmon As ducksay is one of the default packages every document should use, tikz will soon have to rename their keys to not confuse the few users they have left :)
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@Skillmon I'm not sure that "tail" is something I would like to attach to a head ;-).
 
AlexG
AlexG
10:37 AM
@UlrikeFischer What about pony-tail?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
10:49 AM
And Ponyta is a Pokémon!
/cricket noises
@DavidCarlisle, @CarLaTeX, @egreg ^^ :)
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
11:13 AM
@samcarter exactly!
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
12:03 PM
@PauloCereda much better than Hawaiian :):):)
 
 
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Harald Hanche-Olsen
Harald Hanche-Olsen
1:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle Aside from all the thorny space issues that seem so hard to pick apart, the construct \Udelimiter "0 "0 `#1 would need some modification in the case where #1 is something like \langle, which expands to \delimiter "426830A. Not a big deal, though – seems like a SMOP.
 
Harald Hanche-Olsen
Harald Hanche-Olsen
1:21 PM
… it's trickier with commands like \{, however, with a more convoluted expansion. (@DavidCarlisle)
For my own purposes, I think I'll handcraft my own macros to resemble the ones made by DeclarePairedDelimiter. No need for nulldelimiters then.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle tabu-fixed
We ducks are good reporters :)
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samcarter
samcarter
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@samcarter ooh
 
samcarter
samcarter
1:36 PM
@PauloCereda Ducks are good at many things :)
 
Harald Hanche-Olsen
Harald Hanche-Olsen
@samcarter Ducks are good for many things. @DavidCarlisle has a list of them.
 
samcarter
samcarter
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Oh no :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@HaraldHanche-Olsen oh no
 
samcarter
samcarter
@PauloCereda Do you know this advertisement: youtube.com/watch?v=ZmiOe2ROuLE ?
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David Carlisle
David Carlisle
1:56 PM
@PauloCereda if you can make pdflatex tabu.dtx make a pdf by the weekend ... (otherwise we'll probably just fix the .sty and not update the doc)
@samcarter I'm not sure I approve: the camera optics may make the pancakes a little too crispy once they are ground up.
 
samcarter
samcarter
@DavidCarlisle There is a very easy solution to solve this problem
 
Harald Hanche-Olsen
Harald Hanche-Olsen
@samcarter Indeed: Remove the camera and all electronics first. Basic duck cleaning procedure.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@HaraldHanche-Olsen oh no
@samcarter BEAUTIFUL
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
2:33 PM
@UlrikeFischer should I use the German word? (Hinweislinie)
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle I took a quick look and it is simply horrible. Lots of now incompatible patches of other package (this interfaces packages e.g. breaks in all sort of places) ...
@DavidCarlisle did you see tex.stackexchange.com/questions/469687/…? I'm not sure I understand what pdfx is doing there, but it looks dubious.
 
samcarter
samcarter
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@PauloCereda I'm very glad the advertisement had a happy end! I was so sad when the duckling had to leave the comic book behind.
@PauloCereda ^^^ current view out of my window
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@samcarter Very well crafted, I must say. There was a tear at the corner of my eye!
@samcarter ooh
 
AlexG
AlexG
@samcarter your working place?
 
samcarter
samcarter
2:52 PM
@AlexG Yes (I'm lucky to be on this side of the building and still have this nice view, on the other side nearly all the trees were cut down to make room for new buildings)
 
AlexG
AlexG
3:12 PM
@samcarter Nice. At my w-place, there is wood around the whole building, And a lot of snow too.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
ooh game of thrones
oh wait, wrong Snow
 
Harald Hanche-Olsen
Harald Hanche-Olsen
@samcarter You have more winter than I do, in Trondheim! It's been raining today, with a bit of slush in between.
@PauloCereda two cultures? No, wrong Snow again
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@HaraldHanche-Olsen oh no
 
Harald Hanche-Olsen
Harald Hanche-Olsen
@PauloCereda We could be doing this for a long time
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh procrastination
 
Harald Hanche-Olsen
Harald Hanche-Olsen
3:20 PM
@PauloCereda – from Latin procrastinare, to put off until tomorrow. «Mañana» is a favourite word of mine.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh Spanish
Soy un pato
@DavidCarlisle ^^ flawless
 
Harald Hanche-Olsen
Harald Hanche-Olsen
@PauloCereda de manhã?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@HaraldHanche-Olsen It would be "in the morning". "Amanhã" might be the word you are looking for ("tomorrow").
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
3:37 PM
@UlrikeFischer yes I gave up in the interface bits last night
 
marmot
marmot
@samcarter Oh, Schnee!
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
4:11 PM
@marmot endlich
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle I got past a few of them, but I do have the impression that every one of this setup commands has at least one key which breaks. Debugging this is madness. One probably will have to remove all the formatting ...
 
marmot
marmot
@Skillmon "Endlich" meaning kids can cut school because of snow? ;-)
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@marmot studying in Bayreuth has clear downsides. Though the Bier is great, the snow isn't. We have around 10cm here, and only today.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
ooh snow beer
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@marmot tomorrow it's all going to be melted again.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
4:18 PM
@UlrikeFischer yes I just started removing anything that gave an error but was afraid I'd have no document left.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you solved problem i. Now time to solve problem i+1.
Then you prove this by induction and does not have to actually fix stuff. :)
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@PauloCereda can we do this with induction, so that all problems are solved?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Skillmon EXACTLY
See, mr. rabbit knows ^^
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@PauloCereda but you were faster typing it...
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Skillmon we ducks are very quick when relating to procrastination :)
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
4:22 PM
@PauloCereda I'm waiting for a call, so I have nothing to do anyway. Starting to code on ducksay would require too much time, as anything new...
 
marmot
marmot
@Skillmon In the region I grew up there are now Katastrophenalarms ....
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@marmot oh, that's not good. Didn't know it was that bad.
 
marmot
marmot
@Skillmon You can look at this video. (Some of the places shown there are not the locations they claim they are.)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Skillmon ooh :)
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@marmot quality journalism?
@marmot it's sad how there are always cases supporting this claim.
 
marmot
marmot
4:31 PM
@Skillmon Looks like it. At 1:42 they show a place that is 30 kilometers away from Lenggries.
 
Captain Bohemian
Captain Bohemian
4:45 PM
@samcarter I have never seen this kind of bleak view even in winter; this kind of tree with thin leaves should only be seen in high mountains.
 
 
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Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
6:23 PM
@UlrikeFischer: around?
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@PauloCereda yes.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@UlrikeFischer Expect an email in a couple of minutes. :)
 
Michelle
Michelle
6:38 PM
@UlrikeFischer I've notice that \colorlet{helixcolor}{darkgreen} is not even necessary in the code. Though I agree that this command facilitates the use of colors, in my particular code it's enough just writing \draw[fill=darkgreen!\thecntShader] instead of \draw[fill=helixcolor!\thecntShader] plus the \colorlet{helixcolor}{darkgreen}
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@UlrikeFischer sent. :)
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@PauloCereda got it, you will get an answer soon.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@UlrikeFischer Danke. :)
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
7:07 PM
I got distracted reading TeX.SE posts and I missed my bus stop, ops!
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mickep
mickep
@UlrikeFischer Did you see this thread? Do you get it if it is LuaTeX or "only" in ConTeXt that the spacing in integrals will be off by default?
 
marmot
marmot
@Sigur Thanks again for the edit!
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
7:30 PM
@mickep that's not easy to differentiate. You can only load the fonts with a fontloader so there is no "only luatex" behaviour. I wished there were a good reference math font, but currently I have the impression, that in Hans view everyone if faulty ;-).
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@marmot could have been worse, but 30km is quite a distance.
 
mickep
mickep
@UlrikeFischer Yes, when latin modern also fails. For the ones I tried, lucida is the only one that looks somewhat OK. I wish there was some standard so that things just worked. I don't have xetex installed, but I start to be curious about the look there. Thanks for looking!
 
marmot
marmot
@Skillmon I guess the main problem is that people do not trust media if they make statements that they know are incorrect. And these days, given that some claim these are all fake news, it is particularly important to be accurate, I'd say.
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
@marmot I totally agree with you. I don't understand why journalists do such things in the first place (of course I know the argument of "better"/more sensational news).
 
marmot
marmot
@Skillmon But in this case it does not make things more sensational even. I guess they are just being sloppy.
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
7:53 PM
@marmot Breaking news @egreg finds another spurious space. @DavidCarlisle blames @UlrikeFischer.
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@AlanMunn WHAT? WHERE?
 
marmot
marmot
@AlanMunn I guess we need another feature on chat: reflect blame or invert blame.
@UlrikeFischer I guess you need to look at the context.
@AlanMunn BREAKING NEWS: @egreg and @CarLaTeX eat pizza Hawaii.
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@marmot Fake news!
 
marmot
marmot
@CarLaTeX Psssht. ;-)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot Thank you for your coordinate answer.
I didn't read the second part carefully, but perhaps I should.
 
marmot
marmot
8:02 PM
@FaheemMitha You're welcome! This was minimal surgery. (I am actually not convinced that the answer is free of problems. It does use \pgfextra for paths, and the pgfmanual says on p. 166 "Note that this operation should only be used by real experts and should only be used deep inside clever macros, not on normal paths.")
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@marmot psst.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot What kinds of problems?
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
@CarLaTeX -- here's something that came around in today's news bulletins. it's closer to you than it is to me. but cheery, for a change. npr.org/sections/deceptivecadence/2019/01/10/684086663/…
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
And is your variation significantly different?
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha I believe one can cook up a version that does not use that. (My thinking was that the original answer had no negative comments, so it might be sort of OK.) Problems include the possibility that pgfkeys might have impact when they should not, and it is not easy to fix or even reproduce the issue in a small MWE.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
8:05 PM
@barbarabeeton Interesting article.
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha No. I only made minimal surgery and added keys that allow you to switch the labels on and off. I could try to cook up a version that does not use pgfextra.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot Does not use what? \pgfextra?
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha Yes. (\pgfextra is fine if you use it for certain things like typeout or computations or exporting variables.)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot Ok. Well, it works. Are you saying that under certain circumstances it might not?
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha Yes.
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
8:07 PM
@barbarabeeton Yes, it's very close to me, and very famous in Milan
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha You could look at all posts linked to tex.stackexchange.com/q/47377/121799 to get an idea what may happen. (I am not saying it is very likely to happen.)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@CarLaTeX You live in Milan?
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@FaheemMitha Yes
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@CarLaTeX Is that as cool as it sounds?
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@FaheemMitha 4°C at the moment :)
@FaheemMitha Yes, it's very cool
@FaheemMitha Very trendy, fashion capital
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
8:15 PM
@CarLaTeX Figuratively, not literally.
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@FaheemMitha I was joking ;)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@CarLaTeX Yes, I know. I just wanted to be clear.
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha Problem solved. However, the syntax slightly changed, now you need to say \draw[grid with coordinates,ticks on top=true,ticks right=true] (-2,-2) -- (7,4);.)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot You changed your answer?
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@FaheemMitha ;)
 
marmot
marmot
8:20 PM
@FaheemMitha I added a version without pfgextra.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Speaking of cool, it's indeed very cool that Verdi founded an opera singer retirement home. I had no idea.
@marmot Ok. Thank you.
I don't really know Verdi, except for little bits and pieces. Like the chorus at the beginning of Nabucco. And the Requiem.
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha You'e welcome! (Of course I kept the old answer.)
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@FaheemMitha He was very rich and wanted to do something for less lucky artists
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot So, now three different versions?
@CarLaTeX That was very nice of him.
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha Yes. It depends on what you want to do. (I personally would probably take the last one.)
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
8:23 PM
@FaheemMitha Of course!
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Oh, not the beginning. I was thinking, of course, of "Va pensiero".
@CarLaTeX Apparently that was a time one could write good music and still become rich. I guess no record companies. And more of a music culture.
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@FaheemMitha yes, both of them
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot Well, it's good to have a choice.
As I mentioned, I'm using it for annotation. But I suppose one could use it for anything that requires positioning.
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha The rationale for the three options is: use the 1st option if you want to have the labels on all sides in the existing documents. Use the second one if you want to keep the syntax of your existing documents but want the freedom to add labels on the right and/or top. If you use the third option, you need to change the syntax in your existing documents, but you are less likely to encounter weird surprises.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot By labels you mean coordinates? Or are you speaking more generally?
 
marmot
marmot
8:31 PM
@FaheemMitha No I mean the labels/numbers at the ticks.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot Ok.
 
samcarter
samcarter
@FaheemMitha In case you'd like to see Verdi combined with marmots and ducks: vimeo.com/305374856
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@samcarter That seems like an unlikely combination.
 
marmot
marmot
@samcarter Oh, "I wish you a very nice Christmas" is also by Verdi? ;-)
 
samcarter
samcarter
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Apparently there is not enough winter for everybody at the same time. Give us a few days and afterwards you can have the winder back for Trondheim :)
@FaheemMitha Have a look at the scene with the pyramids :)
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
8:41 PM
@JosephWright If I would want to correct a small typo in the expl3 documentation, do I have to change also some version number or is it enough to change the typo and commit (with [ci-skip])?
 
marmot
marmot
@samcarter Everyone knows they were build by ducks and marmots.
 
samcarter
samcarter
@marmot I hope not, otherwise we would have to adjust the credits at the end :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@UlrikeFischer No version numbers to change: like you say, commit and add [ci skip]
 
samcarter
samcarter
@marmot Exactly. That's also why they still stand whereas buildings humans build only a couple of years ago collapse.
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@FaheemMitha and Va pensiero is in vimeo.com/246256860
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
8:43 PM
@samcarter And Mary Poppins and Beethoven too.
@samcarter Yes, I spotted that.
 
marmot
marmot
@samcarter Yes. And all the monuments were built to worship marmots. This is why they become larger and larger the further away they are from marmot terrain. From little chapels in the north of Italy to the Acropolis and the pyramids. ;-)
 
samcarter
samcarter
@FaheemMitha yes :) Mary Poppins was made by @PauloCereda
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Though I'm not sure what the pyramid music is. It sounds familiar.
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@JosephWright then I will be brave and change \vbox_set_to_wd:Nnw to \vbox_set_to_ht:Nnw ;-)
 
samcarter
samcarter
@FaheemMitha It's from Aida
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
8:46 PM
@samcarter Ah.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@UlrikeFischer Cool
 
samcarter
samcarter
@marmot mmm, does that mean that there is a large marmot population in Australia because I don't know of any large ancient building?
 
marmot
marmot
@samcarter No, they worship koalas, of course.
 
samcarter
samcarter
@marmot How could I forget about the koalas?
@FaheemMitha The choice of the Aida recording used in the above video was actually a funny coincidence: From the multitude of recordings available online, @UlrikeFischer's husband chose just the one from Verona from the very same year I was there to see Aida in the arena :)
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@samcarter Being an island, Australia has mostly its own fauna, and marmots never managed to swim there.
 
marmot
marmot
8:56 PM
Marmot Island
Marmot Island is an island of the Kodiak Archipelago in the Gulf of Alaska in the U.S. state of Alaska. It is part of Kodiak Island Borough and lies east of Afognak Island. The island has a land area of 45.196 km² (17.45 sq mi) and is unpopulated. == References... ==
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Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle bugs in TeX packages. ^^
@marmot ooh photography
Oh wait, it's Kodiak
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@samcarter Interesting. I've actually never been to an opera.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Sorry
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda not something I'll ever need to do fortunately
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
egreg
egreg
9:02 PM
@marmot The internet is full of fake pieces of news.
 
marmot
marmot
@egreg Yes, of course. The problem is that our world relies on information. If this doesn't work, then bad things can happen, will happen and did happen.
 
AndréC
AndréC
@PauloCereda I watched your video. Did you put a classical music playlist after it? I love it. I love it. Thank you very much.
 
samcarter
samcarter
@AlanMunn Why should the marmots swim? ^^^
@FaheemMitha If you one day happen to be Verona in the summer, I can highly recommend it. The air of the arena is a unique experience!
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@samcarter Verona? How exotic. Is that a real place?
Apparently yes.
 
samcarter
samcarter
Verona Arena
The Verona Arena (Italian: Arena di Verona [aˈrɛːna di veˈroːna; aˈreːna]) is a Roman amphitheatre in Piazza Bra in Verona, Italy built in the first century. It is still in use today and is internationally famous for the large-scale opera performances given there. It is one of the best preserved ancient structures of its kind. In ancient times, nearly 30,000 people was the housing capacity of the Arena. Nowadays, for security reasons, the maximum attendance is 15,000 people. == Amphitheatre == The building itself was built in AD 30 on a site which was then beyond the city walls. The ludi (shows...
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
9:19 PM
@FaheemMitha Verona exists, ask @egreg!
 
egreg
egreg
@CarLaTeX There are rumors about it. ;-)
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
10:06 PM
@egreg There may be rumours, but it's no Bielefeld.
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha ^^^ if you really like the opera.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot Good heavens.
Where do you find this stuff?
I guess maybe it's that secret Marmot Cabal?
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha It is called internet.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@marmot I prefer Cabal.
 
marmot
marmot
@FaheemMitha ^^^ and if you like movies....
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
10:39 PM
@JosephWright @UlrikeFischer @egreg just as we wonder if it's finally safe to turn on colour groups by default:
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A: Trouble transferring code snippets (table)

David CarlisleDo you have to use that class? It has not been updated since 1996! and mostly it predates LaTex2e, It is incompatible with colour use in LaTeX. A quick workaround is \makeatletter \let\zz@xfloat\@xfloat \makeatother \documentclass[leqno]{uicthesi} \makeatletter \let\@xfloat\zz@xfloat \makeatot...

 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle well don't we do the world a favour if we break such classes? Someone has to force them to update their stuff ...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@UlrikeFischer yes I just thought the timing was funny
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle Yes, coincidence are intesting. Just yesterday I wrote some code that process a csv with \ior_map_inline:Nn and creates around 1000 pages and today Joseph updates the code to make it faster ;-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
10:55 PM
@UlrikeFischer you'd better check it still works:-)
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle I just did ;-) It still works, and there is some time gain (around 10-15%), but no real difference between @JosephWright first try and Franks suggestion.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@UlrikeFischer Yeah, but my target is reading UnicodeData.txt, and it's got 32k lines
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle Those nice classes that redefine \@xfloat!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg I must admit I just unzipped the thing and searched for xfloat, didn't look at the rest of the class, must have given that answer hundreds of times on c.t.t in the 90s
@egreg we could find someone to blame: % FMi 91/03/30: made twocolum.sty a file and twocolumn an option.
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
11:17 PM
@DavidCarlisle I just learned that the newest context fontloader requires luatex 1.09 -- that's why I got the errors.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@UlrikeFischer hmm I wonder how old a luatex we should support although I suppose luaotfload can ship with both and load an older one in older luatexs?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@UlrikeFischer Oh great!
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle well you can exchange the fontloader by adjusting the luaotfload.conf. Currently I'm always only putting the newest on ctan (but I have also older versions) but it would be no problem to offer a collection. The question is if one can find a more automatic way to select a fontloader. And if older fontloader will fail in newer luatex ...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright @UlrikeFischer currently latex.ltx has 
%%% From File: ltluatex.dtx
\ifx\directlua\@undefined\else
\ifnum\luatexversion<60 %
  \wlog{***************************************************}
  \wlog{* LuaTeX version too old for ltluatex support *}
  \wlog{***************************************************}
  \expandafter\endinput
i suspect that should be more like 108 rather than 60 to get reasonable luaotfload support?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Yup: that's what we inherited I think
@DavidCarlisle Certainly we could move it on from v0.60
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
11:34 PM
@JosephWright also need to decide how agressively we are going to push for deprecating engines without \expanded
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle One for the team list :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
yep
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle I'm more concerned about XeTeX and the utlity primitives: they make a bigger difference now
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle I'm rather certain that a current luaotfload needs something larger than 1.04 perhaps more. I think I will run a few checks with various engine/fontloader combinations version in the next days.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle, @UlrikeFischer On my VM, it looks like the loading changes shave a second off l3build check -eluatex m3expl001, so about 0.5s per run :)
@UlrikeFischer Need lots of TL versions :)
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
11:42 PM
@JosephWright well I don't care much about tl17 - they wouldn't get a newer luaotfload unless they install it manually, and then they should update the engine too. So I have miktex, tl18 + experimental to care about. And experimental is simply an additional bin-folder with a texmf.cnf. And for the fontloaders I now have the last working with 1.07 and the newest. Should be managable. And naturally luahbtex. What about l3build tests for it???
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@UlrikeFischer Yes, not forgotten: I'll take a look at that one tomorrow
@UlrikeFischer I'm hoping to get my FPU article finished
@UlrikeFischer I guess Lua code is perhaps less likely to be 'self installed' than the odd macro package
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@JosephWright the point is more is that you more easily explain people that the lua code and the engine evolves together (like biblatex and biber) and that new lua code needs a new engine.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@UlrikeFischer Yes, got it
@UlrikeFischer Not far from the truth, either
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright I know back then we said it ddn't save much but have you any idea how much qucker it would be if 0409;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER LJE;Lu;0;L;;;;;N;;;;0459; was replaced by \zz 0409;Lu;0;L;N;0459; (if they are the right fields) and you could just \input the file instead of looping
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@JosephWright it is the truth - after all I started this luaotfload business because the code no longer worked with the newer luatex - and now I have to juggling with various engines and variants ;-). Well I'm off now (and tomorrow on the road ...).
 

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