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4:41 AM
Any LaTeX related job
 
Not now
 
when
I can do LaTeX template, keying, pagination
 
When I leave LaTeX as a hobbie :P
Your help is really appreciated :)))
 
Btw I like the LaTeX templates, what kind of templates do you have?
 
4:47 AM
i done lot of template more than 200
 
Cool
For beamer, article..?
 
some of the client name i say: Elsevier, Mit Press, CUP, Sunrise, TandF
 
I have no idea what type of clients you have :D
 
Check Mit Press Base Template online. I done that.
check in google.com
 
Ok, just a sec, I was trying to solve this integral
Wow seems nice
 
4:55 AM
How to attach the png file in this. i will send samples
 
Why your templates don't use fancy text?
 
I done as per client requirement
 
Nice
That template is not for MIT
 
but that is base template i done for mit press
 
@Mu30murugans2katgmail ahhh yaay
Are you a mathematician?
 
5:09 AM
yes
 
And why did you decide to use LaTeX for writing your documents, I suppose?
Do you remember that moment when you saw the default font of LaTeX for the first time? I don't, damn
 
I am working in LaTeX
 
Ok, but 18 years ago
 
5:32 AM
CarLaTeX are you here?
 
Not 18 years ago, until i am working
I am started on 1998 to until
Yes, I am in office now. in India, chennai, today wed day 11.03AM
 
Ok, in what OS do you ran LaTeX? :o
@Mu30murugans2katgmail it's hot there?
 
Windows, Mac, Very Hot today in chennai
Mostly Windows
 
Wow
Hello
@Mu30murugans2katgmail that turns on me a light for continuing using LaTeX on my PC
<3
 
ok
are you there
 
5:47 AM
@CarLaTeX, me or both? Cuack
That integral gave me fight, but now it has an answer, so good bye with dreaming to solve it
Here is very cold, I have no air conditioner nor stove
 
6:00 AM
good
 
Bye CarLaTeX
 
@manooooh Hallo!
 
Yeah... the context is important :P
 
@manooooh I understood, it was a replay to @Mu30murugans2katgmail's message :)
 
@CarLaTeX yyup
 
7:01 AM
Hm, I cannot reach icm2018.org. Does anyone happen to know at what time they will announce the Fields medals winners?
 
7:17 AM
@CarLaTeX hello CarLaTeX
what message
 
 
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8:54 AM
@mickep google says the ceremony is at August 1, 2018, 1:30 PM GMT+2 (no idea if this is correct) I hope some live stream will appear at youtube.com/channel/UCnMLdlOoLICBNcEzjMLOc7w
 
@samcarter Thanks! It is a bit strange that the icm2018.org site is down and has been for some time now.
 
@mickep cached version is available: webcache.googleusercontent.com/…
 
@samcarter Oh, you so good! :)
 
@mickep yesterday it worked fine. I wished I printed the timetable instead of bookmarking it ....
 
@samcarter Hehe, a bookmark is usually sufficient.
 
8:59 AM
@mickep But in the rare case the bookmarking strategy fails, it is really annoying!
 
@samcarter Indeed. Let us hope they will start broadcasting here.
 
 
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10:14 AM
@mickep As far as I can see, icm2018.org is up and redirecting to icm2018.org/portal/en/home – perhaps it is the redirection that doesn't work right for you. The IMU home page (mathunion.org) also has a direct link. Anyway, the opening ceremony starts at 08:30 local time. I think that translates to 13:30 in western Europe, or 11:30 UTC if you prefer.
Oddly enough, they haven't updated the page regarding the venue: It still says Pavilion 3, but since that burned a couple days ago, that isn't right. I guess they aim to just inform people on the spot. It's likely to be a bit chaotic, possibly with some delays resulting. Any way, I am not sure if the Fields medal winners will be announced to the world at the same time it happens. We'll see.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen that page never loads for me either. icm2018.org/portal/en/home
 
10:30 AM
@daleif with the www. part? I wrote that, but I see that it is elided from the displayed text in chat.
@daleif Funny, in DNS, www.icm2018.org is a CNAME pointing at icm2018.org, yet http requests to the latter get redirected to the former. Not that it should matter, though. Have you tried running a traceroute on it?
Maybe there are routing problems; I am running traceroute now, and it seems to be stuck after 12 jumps.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I saw on Twitter that I was not alone. In any case, it will be fun to hear who gets the prizes.
 
@mickep Indeed. We'll wait and see. My only inside contact is unfortunately too heavily involved for me to disturb him with such trivial queries.
 
Started streaming 2 minutes ago
 
@user1732 Thanks, now I just have to get pop corn.
 
@user1732 Oh, goodie! I am not a big fan of popcorn myself, but it's hot enough here I could almost imagine I'm in Rio. Just need a cold drink to complete the illusion.
 
10:49 AM
:-D
 
yo'
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Rio is probably colder now than most of Central Europe :-)
 
@yo' So it is; around 20 °C, it seems. But here in Trondheim, we have a cool day (compared to previous days), so it's just a couple degrees warmer here than in Rio.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen the link seems to work for me now
 
yo'
@HaraldHanche-Olsen in Prague 35C is forecast.
 
@yo' There, that may not be so unusual. But we had 32 yesterday, and for Trondheim, that is very unusual indeed.
 
yo'
11:03 AM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen 35C you usually get for a day or two, but not for several weeks!
 
@yo' Yes, the duration is another issue. We had the same here, though not with such high temperatures all the time. Southern Norway has had much longer periods of really hot weather (for Norway).
 
yo'
@HaraldHanche-Olsen which is crazy, given you're quite open to the (relatively cold) seas.
 
@yo' You got that right. But when air masses move from an easterly or southern direction, if they move at all, that helps less than you'd think.
 
yo'
@HaraldHanche-Olsen yeah, that's what Europe got now FWIV, a lot of dry air came from the east and now it's completely still.
 
@yo' You see the same in winter: Most of the time, it's quite mild here, but once in a while, when a high pressure sits atop us or air is directed our way from Russia, we can have periods of bitter cold. (Though not usually colder than around −20 °C, which will of course not impress any Russian.)
 
11:11 AM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen What is the temperature of the sea water in Trondheim this summer?
 
yo'
@HaraldHanche-Olsen known as the "cryowinter" in Czechia, yes :-) (you see, Europe is very small and the weather is connected, just you're in general couple degrees colder than us :-) )
 
11:25 AM
@mickep It's about 15 °C today. The Trondheim fjord is big and deep, with fairly strong tidal currents. So no matter how much sun and hot weather we get, the sea temperature remains rather low. That's very different from the coast of southern Norway, where the surface temperature often gets above 20 °C after a week or more of good weather. – Um, now the ICM opening ceremony starts soon, I guess.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I see. Bathable then, but not more. According to their tweet, the broadcasting will start half past.
 
@user1732 Oh no! The transmission has stopped? The whole page appears broken. No text anywhere.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Try youtube.com/watch?v=Webvi7vxUCk
 
@mickep That works, thanks. Wonder why it moved?
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen It seems they have some kind of problems(?) Let us hope this one will be stable.
 
11:32 AM
nearly 600 people listening to bird noises -- that is impressive :)
 
@samcarter Oh, I thought they were from outside :)
 
@mickep I switched my speaker off and on multiples times to confirm the source!
 
@samcarter I hear no ducks :(
 
Quack quack
 
11:49 AM
@mickep and sadly no humans either :(
 
Anybody know if they just haven't got started in Rio yet, or have they not managed to get the transmission going?
@samcarter Wonder if there are araras? Since they're supposedly very loud, I guess not.
 
yo'
@HaraldHanche-Olsen they are very loud, and I haven't seem them in the nature, just in a zoo
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen There had been one arara in Rio: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/45884220#45884220
 
I suggest @PauloCereda to go there and kick them in the butts.
 
Did I just hear human voices?
 
Now...
 
I see something!!!!!!!
 
@samcarter and hear something!
 
Hmmm, anyone knows about the legitimity of repubblica.it?
 
@mickep quantamagazine.org/… also has it
 
12:10 PM
@samcarter Ohh.
 
12:21 PM
in Homotopy Theory, 20 mins ago, by Aaron Mazel-Gee
i believe these are the fields medalists: https://imgur.com/a/OxBYJEt
 
So, Scholze, Figalli, and who else?
 
in Mathematics, 16 mins ago, by Alessandro Codenotti
@user2236 Is it an issue on my end or is the audio problematic for everyone?
 
yo'
12:37 PM
fun fact @ typography: Everybody tells you to start chapters on right (odd) pages. However, in musical typography, if the piece has even number of pages, you want to start the piece on a left (even) page, because each page turn is a problem.
 
@yo' For exams, I do the same: Questions start of the even pages and odd pages have space for students to write their answers.
 
yo'
@samcarter that I would consider "twisted oneside" with maybe lines (or checkers) printed on the other side. I would quite likely also number only the versos
 
 
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1:56 PM
@JosephWright -- according to the edit history for tex.stackexchange.com/q/443447 , it was @Mico who added the [tex-core] tag. but that isn't relevant (it's purely latex). he's not around, so i can't ping him. could you please do that -- i don't want to change the tags without letting him know that i've done so, and why.
 
yo'
2:17 PM
@egreg @b Please, do you have any ideas for sans serif fonts to go along with Palatino? It's for music typesetting. And please quick before someone mentions you-know-what-comics-font... :)
 
@yo' I once used Futura, but perhaps it doesn't suit you.
 
yo'
@egreg I may try...
(once I download and install it...)
oh well, seeing it now in a fonts catalogue, I think you're right :-)
I'm still looking for an official version of Palatino Sans, which is beautiful, but difficult to get...
 
@yo' I assume you are not using the egregdoesnotlikesansseriftitles option?
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle no. But bear in mind, music typesetting is different; there the titles really are not a part of the music, in some sense.
damn that font is expensive. If it were $80 for all variants, I would be fine, but it's $80 for each and there's 21 of them!
 
@barbarabeeton I posted a question along these lines here. Please let know if I should change or delete it.
 
2:28 PM
@marmot you could get that from a sede quey I think
 
@marmot -- have left a comment regarding relative time zone. i like the question.
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, if you could answer that question, that would be great. "sede qhey" or "sed query" (not that I would know how to do the latter;-)?
 
@yo' There is Optima, another font by Zapf
 
yo'
@egreg looks possibly good, but so far I had no luck gettting a good one for free :-)
 
@marmot can you really not run it?
 
@DavidCarlisle No, it did not accept my user name...
 
@yo' Speaking about fonts to look for, I would really like to have BA Math. I even tried to order it, but I have still got no response. I wish they could just release so that it does not disappear forever...
 
@yo Could you please point me to the relevant query? (I looked through and couldn't find it...)
 
@marmot You mean user ID (the number associated with a user), don't you?
 
@marmot you need the numeric id not a name in that box
 
2:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle Thanks! That works! Now I can run a code that I do not understand and which produces data which I cannot understand either. ;-)
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@marmot Well, that's a perfect match then, isn't it?
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Of course, that is what I wanted to say. ;-)
 
@marmot I ran it on myself, and frankly, I don't understand the output either. I think one has to read and understand the query in order to understand what it is trying to show.
 
@marmot last time need for an sede query came up I spent hours reverse engineering the required sql from assorted examples only to find that there were people here who did that for a living and could have done it in minutes, so I'll leave it for others to answer:-)
 
3:05 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen @DavidCarlisle That's why I just asked a question, which is much less effort, and complain that others do not present the solution on a silver tablet, which is much more fun ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle btw why do you call them sede queries? Is sede an acronym for something or other?
 
@marmot it is less effort to ask a question? Oh I didn't know that.
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Stack Exchange Data Explorer
 
@DavidCarlisle To ask certainly, to understand the answer may not ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle just discovered that, too late to withdraw the qustion
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I knew asking questions was difficult
 
3:07 PM
@DavidCarlisle unasking them is much harder
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3:40 PM
@marmot Great comment tex.stackexchange.com/questions/444156/… I was about to suggest the same!
 
3:52 PM
@samcarter It must be a terrible Uni. ;-) (But some time ago actually somebody really tried to force everybody to switch to Microsoft at the institution I was then. I stopped him.... ;-)
 
4:24 PM
@samcarter Are there any plans to have an example-image-marmot? ;-)
 
@marmot That would be @Skillmon's territory :)
 
@samcarter Then one has jut to hope that @Skillmon sees this question and finds it interesting enough ;-)
 
yo'
@egreg I think I'll go with Myriad Pro
 
@yo' Not for use in text, I'd say.
 
yo'
@egreg you mean the combination or the font? It's only for song headers
 
4:47 PM
@yo' -- that looks serviceable; beautiful would be difficult, i think. but they don't clash, and the titles don't overwhelm, which is important.
 
@yo' So long as you don't mix the fonts in the same line, it's OK.
 
yo'
5:25 PM
@barbarabeeton it's not easy to make sheets both practical and beautiful. I also have to think about space: it's for organists, so a lot of information is needed (e.g. the cross-refs) and space is precious; if it gets too sparse, it means heavier books to carry, more pages to turn etc.
@egreg no, never!
@barbarabeeton and basically, the titles should be prominent enough so that you easily navigate them. That's also the reason why the cross-refs (EZ25, ...) are so large, because these matter a lot when looking for a specific piece. On the other hand, the authorship is in some sense auxiliary
@barbarabeeton @egreg well, thanks for the input!
 
@yo' -- yes, i've turned pages for an organist. another thing that's important is that the pages must be able to lie flat. a newly printed and traditionally bound hymnal is sheer waste, since the first thing a serious organist will do is break its back so that it won't close up while it's on the music rack.
 
@barbarabeeton The "prime time" effect looks much more pronounced than I thought, see Marcel Krüger's nice analysis. There seems to be factor 4 variation. That means that the reputation scores need to get corrected, US based users score need to get multiplied by 2 and European users need to get divided by 2. After that, @AlanMunn will be higher ranked than @DavidCarlisle. ;-)
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton well, binder clips help a lot :-) mine will be probably quite thin, so I think I'll go with a booklet, once the work is due. For sheet music I buy as books, I only play from copies as I want to make notes in the sheets and I don't want to draw in the books.
I'm also afraid that I'll have to yet narrow the textarea to allow for more binding margin...
 
@marmot -- yup. just as i suspected. very eurocentric. and very little relative activity from australia and japan, from the looks of it. (almost always, when i see a tempting question, it's already got answers from either @egreg or @DavidCarlisle or both. and i can't really answer most linguistics questions -- that's where @AlanMunn really shines. thanks!
 
yo'
5:41 PM
@barbarabeeton the only option left is to get a similar schedule as @PauloCereda who starts to work at 7:30!
 
@yo' What do you mean by "work"? I thought he's doing his PhD. ;-)
 
@yo' -- you might consider a plastic "comb" binding. but that does still require a bit more space than you've got. it looks like the example you show has a slightly wider margin on the right side; was this page intended as verso?
@marmot -- getting an advanced degree is work, hard work! (that's one reason i gave up after an a.m.)
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton no, but remember that the brace on the left is officially in the margin (musical typography is strange)
 
@yo' -- but anything before 07:00 really shoudn't exist. although i can be quite pleasant and cheerful at that hour, please don't expect me to make sense until at least 10:00.
 
@barbarabeeton I was just kidding. And it would be nice to see how other SE sites compare. My suspicion is that there the effect is not as pronounced or even some have the local maxima at some afternoon hours in the US.
 
yo'
5:45 PM
@barbarabeeton I don't like spiral or similar bindings in general for music... I would pretty much prefer to have just V1 (glued binding) and leave enough margin around the binding
 
@yo' -- ah, not sure i knew that. but even so, you don't want to punch holes in the brace. too pretty for that sort of treatment.
 
yo'
@marmot he's almost done, just paperwork left (which may be the toughest part, remember mine took 2.5 years)
@barbarabeeton sure! Also, there's the instrument note which is important
 
@yo' In my case some secretary entered the date where she was supposed to enter the grade. Since the exam was on a 23, for a while I had a 2.3 (but in the end it got corrected ;-)
 
@marmot -- the spike around 20:00 could very well be the american (north and south) equivalent of the maximum at around noon, which is clearly european.
 
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@yo' yo. :)
 
yo'
5:51 PM
@PauloCereda ready?
 
@yo' :)
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton I'm having hard times with lilypond :-( I don't know how to print running headers :-(
 
hey, while i've been putskying around here, rather than tending to corrections, somebody upvoted my answer on dots to give me another palindrome. ironic that the author of the paper i'm supposed to be correcting consistently used three periods instad of any kind of \*dots, and they weren't marked by the copyeditor (even though they look dreadful).
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@yo' -- oh, dear! wish i could help you, but i've never used lilypond.
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton sorry, it's just a sort-of rant (there must be a better word for it)
 
6:00 PM
@yo' -- grumble? i think that fits.
 
@marmot currently there aren't, but feel free to make a request :)
 
@Skillmon Well, it would prove that we are a very diverse community, wouldn't it? ;-)
 
@marmot To compare with other SE sites you can open the SEDE query and enter the name of the site you are interested in. For example StackOverflow has a similar peak, just some hours earlier.
 
@MarcelKrüger Thanks! "Earlier" or "Later" is probably not well defined since there is a mod 24 involved ... ;-)
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton yes! thanks
 
6:08 PM
If I have a pdf which's name is foo.bar.pdf how do I include it with \includegraphics (due to automation, renaming is not an option). I found the type and ext keys not working.
 
yo'
(un)fortunately, LilyPond is not one-pass like TeX. It basically processes the file, stores all the information and then prints the sheets. But this means some things just don't go well, and some things may even be impossible.
 
(Or I'm using them wrong)
 
yo'
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Q: \includegraphics: Dots in filename

fuenfundachtzig\includegraphics cannot handle filenames that contain more than the one dot, separating the filename from the extension. Apparently it uses everything after the first dot as extension and then, of course, complains about an unknown graphics extension. This is annoying as I very often have filena...

@Skillmon \includegraphics{{foo.bar}.pdf}, I found it searching for "includegraphics dot" on the main site
 
@PauloCereda ROTFL
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton the problem is that I may occasionally want pieces to start mid-page (think of two pieces 1.5 and 2.5 pages long), and LilyPond does not seem to be able to handle the running headers in that case.
 
6:14 PM
@yo' -- urk. what if you process with lilypond, then include the unheaded pages as pdf? messy, and a nuisance, but ...
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton that was already considered as well :-)
 
@yo' hmmm if that works it works by accident
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@yo' of course the first line of the quoted question is wrong. by design graphicx could always handle any filename that tex could handle
@Skillmon Heiko's grffile makes it a bit easier
 
@DavidCarlisle I just used \DeclareGraphicsRule{.bar.pdf}{pdf}{*}{}.
@yo' thanks for searching, I solved it in a better way (I guess).
 
6:21 PM
@Skillmon oh well yes that works if you don't have too many but if you genrate zzz.1.pdf to zzz.1000.pdf then declaring a rule for each might be tiresome.
 
@yo' I wanted to try today the lyluatex package (because of a question) but it couldn't call lilypond on windows ;-(. Some problems with finding lilyponds files.
 
@UlrikeFischer weird thread on luatex list:-)
 
yo'
@UlrikeFischer I'm on linux so I do well, but I've never really tried to incorporate tex and ly.
 
@DavidCarlisle yes. As I'm curious I checked on the lilypond list and saw that he got a clash with musixtex which is probably due to musixtex using \immediate\write16 ;-).
 
@UlrikeFischer ah.
 
yo'
6:28 PM
@barbarabeeton It seems that the lilypond devs simply don't offer a solution: When you say "I want X and it's impossible in A", they say "use B". When you say "I want Y and it's impossible in B", they say "use A". However, I need both X and Y.
 
@yo' well the lyluatex manual looks quite interesting (but as my knowledge about music is nil I can't say much more).
 
yo'
I'll however try to ask on music.SE, maybe there is a hidden solution :-)
@UlrikeFischer it looks promissing, actually! I'll have to look more into it, but not now. Now we gotta go and won't be back until tomorrow. Bye, everyone!
 
@DavidCarlisle I just have two (and for both quite a few individual files).
 
@Skillmon I might change the behaviour actually so foo.bar.pdf works as pdf, the current behaviour is optimised for foo.eps.gz where you want to treat .eps.gz as the filetype, but basically no one uses gzipped eps files these days, also handling the last extension takes a few more bytes to write a parser and that would probably have meant you couldn't load graphicx in a 640K emtex installation, but not many people use those now either.
 
@DavidCarlisle not that much more, stepping recursively through to the next dot doesn't seem to hard if you already have the function taking the next dot.
 
6:54 PM
@Skillmon we only had a couple of hundred csnames spare so making the filename parser more complicated could easily have halved the number of \newcommand or \label a user could use in a document....
@Skillmon the complication was that if you then find the "final" extension is .gz you have to back up, find the previous extension and then tack on gz and I simply didn't have enough space to code that, so i always stopped at the first so saw eps.gz in one hit.
 
7:11 PM
@marmot @barbarabeeton Another interesting thing is that the 21 o'clock peak is much more pronounced for answers than for questions.
@marmot @barbarabeeton Maybe it is not the fault of all the European users having already answered the questions, but rather a lack of users in America to ask question.
 
@samcarter This might tell a lot about the sociology of ducks. ;-)
 
@samcarter -- i think it mostly doesn't matter where an asker is from; if someone knows the answer, they'll most likely answer, unless there's already a satisfactory answer. (much more likely, of course, that an answer on a koma question will be from europe, but most questions are more general.) would be interesting to learn the geographical distribution of all list members, but that's very often not easy to determine.
 
7:31 PM
@barbarabeeton yes but if questions were qually distributed in time zones it would average out the answers too, european people answering only get "first go" at an answer because most questions are posted then. If people posted questions when europeans were asleep then people in those time zones would have first shot at answering
 
@barbarabeeton @DavidCarlisle @samcarter I find it quite intriguing that on our site the bumps are so much more pronounced than on the mathematics or physics sites. This suggests that in Europe LaTeX is also used outside academia.
 
@marmot I'm not in academia
 
@DavidCarlisle And, until Brexit, you're in Europe, which just confirms what I was saying. ;-)
 
@marmot Probably after brexit I'll have to set a tariff to charge @egreg for using my answers.
 
@DavidCarlisle I never use your answers, usually I make better ones.
 
7:44 PM
@egreg I'll charge for that too. Let's make stackexchange great again.
 
@marmot -- we do actually know that's true. used for catalogs, train schedules, correspondence regarding financial transactions, ... all written up in tugboat.
 
@barbarabeeton Well, as for the train schedules, there is a simple reason: there are not many trains in the US, so no need for a schedule :-(
 
@marmot in the UK we have lots of train schedules, but the trains don't follow them
 
@DavidCarlisle I know that. Same in Italy. ;-)
 
@marmot we have particular fun at present (eg this picked out of thousand of hit for "UK train schedule") bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44327233
 
7:52 PM
@DavidCarlisle Well, and I went though Munich airport, luckily not on Saturday but one day later, still chaotic.
 
8:35 PM
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@barbarabeeton ^^^^ is this legitimate? 😈 😈
 
@manooooh -- it is certainly a palindrome. as for meaning, i'll remain out of that discussion. (congratulations. it took me about 7 years to reach that level.)
 
9:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle I sometimes forget the limitations TeX used to have.
 
9:21 PM
@Skillmon I guess you are not as old as @egreg
 
9:46 PM
@manooooh Nice! My best one was 222,222. ;-)
 
Nice @egreg!
Btw that image was a joke... I don't have that reputation, please remove stars!
I really have 444 rep
 
@manooooh It's nice fake news anyway!
 
@egreg yes haha, after all I have a palindrome number
@marmot did you see my comment about the killer fish?
 
10:37 PM
@egreg of course mine was twice as good
Apr 13 at 6:42, by mickep
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@manooooh similar to yours ^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle hahaha I didn't noticed about that message! :)
 
@manooooh Yes. Well, some fish are good eaters. ;-)
 

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