TeX, LaTeX and Friends

12:39 AM

@egreg: I thought of writing a tool to diagnose TeX versions and system configurations to ease the search for solving problems. How do you like this idea?

cfr

1:37 AM

@PauloCereda Will it diagnose multi-TeX installations?

Johannes_B

5:09 AM

@ChristianHupfer Are you familiar with the term Polylux?

Johannes_B

6:46 AM

Can somebody have a look at this? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/254032/…

egreg

9:00 AM

@PauloCereda In Lua?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda something interesting to do after you have finished your thesis?

clemens

@Canageek works for me with any browser I have installed including firefox…

Joseph Wright

Thanks everyone for the work yesterday: I had to get to bed early

David Carlisle

@egreg would you trust an Italian mathematician? bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36240523

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Never!

Joseph Wright

9:19 AM

New biblatex release almost ready

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Oh yeah, work for me.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Hopefully not

@Johannes_B The overall plan is to make life simpler: I've been working to get the two backend paths back together so BibTeX is a clear 'fallback' from Biber

Johannes_B

@JosephWright 3.3 completely broke the friggeri-cv template, which gave warnings before. I said i'll apply fixes when 3.4 comes out.

freaking templates

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B That's believable: PLK altered the name format (I understand why, though I might have handled it differently had I been lead)

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Much more weird stuff in there going on than just the names ;-)

@JosephWright The name change in biblatex was a little bit ... unexpected.

Joseph Wright

9:27 AM

@Johannes_B PLK's been adding a lot of extra cleverness (ref contexts and the like) and that is tricky to get to work with existing code

Johannes_B

@JosephWright I wasn't able to keep track of the latest dev stuff on github. It was just too much. :-)

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B All useful long-term for me, though: one can imagine picking up the concepts more-or-less directly for an L3 implementation of bibliography support

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Is moewe by now a biblatex team member?

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Much of it is just me pulling the existing code to bits (I provide the 'serious TeX' support for biblatex)

@Johannes_B Not at present

Johannes_B

@JosephWright 'serious TeX', not my field of expertise :-(

@JosephWright Ok.

clemens

9:33 AM

@Canageek Using savesym should work:

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{achemso,savesym}
\AtBeginDocument{\savesymbol{latin}}

\usepackage{chemmacros}

\begin{document}

\show\latin % chemmacros version

\restoresymbol{chem}{latin}

\show\latin % achemso version
\show\chemlatin % chemmacros version

\end{document}

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Common, you love to see that line, right?

;-)

David Carlisle

I think that as for aircraft, tikz isn't up to the job and you need picture mode — David Carlisle 2 mins ago

Johannes_B

@JosephWright I didn't read all the comments, but the last one. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/307595/…

Christian Hupfer

9:52 AM

@Johannes_B Which line?

@Johannes_B That strange Eastern German TV show?

egreg

@JosephWright Can we do something about Ulrich Diez always creating a new account? The last one is tex.stackexchange.com/a/308451/4427

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer A Polylux is an Overhead-projector. The tv show stole the name ;-)

@ChristianHupfer \documentclass{thesis}

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B And why should I know this then? Where's the connection?

@Johannes_B \documentclass{shootyourselfinthefoot} - rather

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer There are about x thesis.cls out there and an additional y of Thesis.cls, all different. x and y probably a few hundred or thousand.

@ChristianHupfer And even a few MastersDoctoralThesis.cls by now. github is your friend.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Well, you do tell this to me about twice a day ;-) It won't improve the classes however :D

Johannes_B

9:57 AM

@ChristianHupfer I hate it.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I'm thinking I should push oberdiek and hyperref to ctan, I think i haven't completely broken them...

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: We're not the Redeemers of lost LaTeX souls ... if those users stick with rubbish and don't recognize it, what do we have lost? Nothing ;-) None of us is ever forced to read their theses (most likely), so there's no need to weep a river of tears about this ...

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer How should they know that it is rubbish? All are highly advertised.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B That's the curse of the internet -- every fool and idiot can post rubbish and it spreads in a fraction of a second. Human mankind is getting more and more stupid and everything what is written in the net is taken to be the truth by a certain amount of people.

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer git commit -m "I am an idiot as well. Footnotes fixed"

;-)

Christian Hupfer

10:09 AM

@Johannes_B In some sense github or other sites like that are responsible for this disease, yes. Version control is good, necessary, but there's no need to clone everything.

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Download zip should be the button to press, else => github.com/posquit0/Awesome-CV

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Yes, of course, that's possible too, but nobody checks that content. If I upload something to CTAN, there's some chance that it gets at least into some checks by CTAN and to a regular community. But this github sources are sometimes like the dark corners of TeX code (and other codes of course too)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer emacs `kpsewhich cleanthesis.sty`

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B I did not say, that rubbish is prevented on CTAN :-( Perhaps I uploaded rubbish too, nobody knows.

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer None of my rubbish is on CTAN.

Paulo Cereda

10:33 AM

@egreg Yes. :)

@DavidCarlisle Oh no!

@cfr Yes. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Ah, the royal duck just entered the Chat ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Quackity quack! <3

@Christian: Number 5: the duck!

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda How not to be ducked? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Spot the ~~looney~~ duck. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Spot the ~~duck~~ looney Paulo ;-)

egreg

10:38 AM

@PauloCereda It might be part of a GUI for arara

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh I can do that. :)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Sieht den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht: golatex.de/viewtopic,p,83203.html#83203

Joseph Wright

@egreg We've had this discussion before about other users: provided it's not to allow sock-puppet or similar activity, there's no prohibition on having more than one account

Johannes_B

Nice comments section howtotex.com/templates/two-column-journal-article-template

egreg

10:56 AM

@JosephWright I understand; but maybe Ulrich is just being lazy.

@JosephWright Today he opened two accounts for answering the same question

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Most likely I am not the first one who demands this, but I think, the feature of unregistered user accounts should be dropped for the whole network -- unregistered users are most times the the most careless ones :-(

clemens

@Canageek why?

% arara: pdflatex
% arara: makeglossaries
% arara: pdflatex
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{glossaries}
\makeglossaries

\usepackage{chemmacros}

\newglossaryentry{sample}{
  name={sample},
  description={an example using \iupac{foo'} and \chemprime}
}

\begin{document}

\gls{sample}.

\printglossaries

\end{document}

this works just fine

Joseph Wright

11:16 AM

@ChristianHupfer One for meta.stackexchange.com

Christian Hupfer

11:34 AM

@JosephWright My 'demand' is too opinion-based, I fear

barbara beeton

11:58 AM

@Johannes_B -- answer added as requested: tex.stackexchange.com/a/308483

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton Merci beaucoup :-)

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- i was absent from yesterday's "answer" session because this is the annual office cubicle cleaning spree, and it takes me three days to empty everything off the shelves. (and another three to put them back. at least twice as long if someone else does the packing.) if i never move again it will be too soon. sorry for the absence.

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton I wasn't there as well :-) I went through some questions today :-)

yo'

12:28 PM

@barbarabeeton I was also out, on a "short bike ride" in a "flat terrain"

egreg

12:48 PM

@yo' My bike doesn't complain if the road is not flat. ;-)

yo'

1:05 PM

@egreg you mean your bike that is not a bike? :)

egreg

1:34 PM

@yo' Last summer I did this one salite.ch/agnello.asp?Mappa= and my bike didn't complain at all. :P

egreg

1:50 PM

@yo' Bicycle riders I met along the way didn't think the same. :P

Paulo Cereda

2:03 PM

@yo' It's a bike set of all bike sets that are not bike members of themselves. :)

Johannes_B

Have a look at the questions LianTze from Overleaf deals with. disqus.com/by/liantzelim Some of that stuff should be fixed upstream, but Overleaf works completely independent. There isn't even a system of upstream/downstream, everythings happening just once. I have no idea, how updates in the templates are monitored. Same with ShareLaTeX. Same also for l-templates, drawing some crappy code from somewhere and putting a new label on it. Crazy.

egreg

@PauloCereda I seem to see some paradox here.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Ducks are very afraid of paradoxes. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Like chickens of crossing the road? Especially when big bikes come along.

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer vvvvvvv

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Q: Thesis references

I am writing Ms. thesis using Latex. I have a problem with reference. The problem is that the references numbering of last chapter start first, then chapter 1,2,3,... I use the following code to run the whole thesis Any suggestion? \documentclass[ms, 12pt]{thesis} \include{def} %%%%%%%%%%...

:-p

Paulo Cereda

2:16 PM

@egreg ooh :)

Why the duck crossed the road? The chicken was busy. :)

@egreg, @Johannes: ^^

yo'

@PauloCereda sorry, pal?

Paulo Cereda

@yo' I tried a bike-math-related joke, but failed. :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda :-)

yo'

@PauloCereda ah I got it now :)

Irregular User

Hi, I ended up doing something quite stupid and didn't respect the privileges on the site - I only had 120 on here and there was an old question that I wanted answered, so I stuck a bounty of 100 on it. Since it's not my own question, I can't actually comment on it! I've searched the questions, but there's nothing that I can answer that hasn't already been answered. What do people usually do in situations like this?

yo'

2:23 PM

@JosephWright ^^

barbara beeton

2:36 PM

@egreg -- no, that's only one duck, not a pair-of-ducks.

Paulo Cereda

@barbarabeeton ooh clever! <3

barbara beeton

@PauloCereda -- but (sadly) not original. (it does, however, attest to the uniqueness of a certain duck.) quack.

Paulo Cereda

@barbarabeeton Quack! <3

yo'

@barbarabeeton he is unique, fortunately...

@PauloCereda ^^

Paulo Cereda

@yo' awwww <3

barbara beeton

2:50 PM

@yo' -- and so are a lot of other participants in this enterprise. and i like it that way. it's one of the reasons that makes me happy to be a part of this group.

yo'

@barbarabeeton yeah.

egreg

@barbarabeeton Except one, of course. ;-)

barbara beeton

@egreg -- okay, who's got the doppelgänger?

Alan Munn

@egreg Posting answers based on my comments I see. ;)

egreg

3:21 PM

@AlanMunn Lesser artists borrow…

Paulo Cereda

@Alan: speaking of Steve Jobs, my Mac has now 16GB RAM! :D

Alan Munn

@egreg But the question is, would you flag your answer as 'not an answer' if it wasn't yours?

@PauloCereda We were speaking of Steve Jobs? What will you use all that RAM for?

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn ooh an answer set of all answer sets that are not answer members of themselves. :)

The quote from @egreg was leading to a Jobs reference. :) Hopefully I will be able to run arara with that amount of RAM. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Oh, I missed that entirely.

@egreg Because I added no % signs and the code works for me anyway.

@PauloCereda I guess I'm not really a card-carrying Apple fanboi.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Neither am I. :)

Alan Munn

3:32 PM

@PauloCereda Yeah, but you recognized the quote...

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn I have a lot of random knowledge. :)

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egreg

@PauloCereda Not Jobs; it's attributed to several people. In particular to a lesser artist, that is, Stravinskij. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Picasso too, I guess. :)

egreg

@barbarabeeton The answer is obvious! His name starts with…

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh

Alan Munn

3:38 PM

@egreg How could you possibly know anything about Stravinski! :)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn gasp

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Truer words have never been said. :)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn <3

@AlanMunn: techcrunch.com/2016/04/20/ducking-awesome-self-driving-cars

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda I was just at CSAIL (or at least its building, which also houses Linguistics) last weekend.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn OMG

London Bridge is falling down.

Alan Munn

3:43 PM

@PauloCereda It's a very neat building. Although I suspect like modern music, @egreg isn't a fan of modern architecture. :P

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Nah, @egreg likes Skrillex. :)

egreg

@AlanMunn Very similar to my desk

Alan Munn

@egreg :D Mine too!

@PauloCereda And here's the day a dalek visited.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn ooh exterminate!

Johannes_B

When did @Ulrike had her 100k party?

Johannes_B

4:04 PM

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- sigh. i'll dig in when i've finished emptying out my bookshelves.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B This makes me sad: I guess at least half are 'unanswerable' :-(

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Tricky thing is marking them for others to review ... and the queue is full of robos.

For many months old questions, this might not matter. But the fresh one, that still are in need of an answer ...

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes: I will try to make Psmith smarter and act as a meeting bot, so we can bookmark questions and retrieve stuff later.

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton Please don't hurry. Bookshelves need to be handled with respect. And of course their content as well.

Can we filter which tag has the highes unanswered rate? I think @yo' was an expert in writing those list queries?

egreg

4:11 PM

May 5 at 15:15, by Paulo Cereda

Johannes_B

@egreg And i was out :-( Congratulations @Ulrike :-)

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- actually, the contents of the shelves are the easiest part -- they're organized and can simply be loaded neatly into boxes. it's the 2-foot pile of unsorted papers on the desk that's the real problem. pages have to be eyeballed individually (unless i was afflicted with foresight, and paperclipped them into discrete sensible clumps). with luck, the recycle basket should have a significant load by the time i give up.

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton Oh my. Sounds like a lot of fun :-)

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- oh, the most fun is how to sort and categorize the printed-out bug documentation for amsmath ... (after it's incorporated into test files and electronic documentation, the paper can be scrapped. but realizing that sometimes takes a whole day for one report ...)

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton How big is the pile of amsmath bugs?

barbara beeton

4:17 PM

at least, i can be listening to music i like while i'm doing it. (for one ... youtube.com/watch?v=KctnmG7JakU)

Torbjørn T.

@Johannes_B bibtex has almost 500 unanswered, so that is probably high on that list.

egreg

MOZART - Symphony # 41 (Jupiter) ~ Ricardo Muti/ Vienna Philharmonic

►

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B it's been swept under the carpet and so no longer exists

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- at last count, there were approximately 300 distinct bugs in the list. some have multiple reports; i think the maximum is five, but that's from memory, and could be low. oh -- that doesn't count the list for ams classes, which is about the same size.

@DavidCarlisle -- hmmmph. it just hasn't been "finally" organized and delivered to you.

@egreg -- quite a good candidate. thanks. (too bad you don't much like prokofiev.)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton oh that's a shame, I was hoping my version was true

Johannes_B

4:21 PM

@TorbjørnT. Quite likely, most of them cannot be answered for a lack of info.

Torbjørn T.

@Johannes_B Probably. Or has been somehow answered in comments.

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton No you know what he was doing with it ;-)

@TorbjørnT. I am just looking through meta. Maybe i'll come up with something.

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- well, we'll keep a copy here to make sure all gets attended to. i can be quite an effective nag.

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton :-)

Torbjørn T.

By the way, if my answer to this one looks worthy of an upvote, that's one off the list.

egreg

4:30 PM

@TorbjørnT. I too have three answers to old questions that need an upvote to put them off the list: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/187311 tex.stackexchange.com/questions/201948 tex.stackexchange.com/questions/174845

Johannes_B

So long as the green tick doesn't go to DPC, I agree. ;-) — egreg May 29 '14 at 16:42

@JosephWright @all My mind might trick me, but i think about a year ago, the number of unanswered was around 5000. Now i found a meta post from May 2014 stating the number is 3200. Is the site growing that fast?

egreg

@Johannes_B We have 112232 questions; 9000 is 8%

Johannes_B

@egreg 8 % isn't bad, but it could be better ;-)

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Probably the same issue as always: the number of truly great unanswered questions is small, but there are a lot that perhaps could be closed but perhaps could be answered

yo'

@Johannes_B I'll see what can be done when I'm at home

Johannes_B

4:41 PM

@JosephWright That perhaps is exactly the culprit.

@yo' Thanks.

yo'

@JosephWright yeah it's our benevolency that adds to this

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Indeed: as I've got the mod hammer I'm pretty limited in what I can do, at least unless the question actually has an answer

Whenever I look over the unanswered, I find a good number of 'probably answerable' questions

Johannes_B

@JosephWright I see them as well, and sometimes i post them here. But it gets overlooked. Do we need another chatroom that solely deals with such questions? Making a minor edit pushiing them up on main seems not the right approach.

yo'

@JosephWright I think we shall find a way how to close a lot of these easily, since they probably can be closed.

@Johannes_B start putting bounties on them ;)

Johannes_B

@yo' I think i never got a bounty so far.

Torbjørn T.

4:57 PM

@Johannes_B When looking at the number of questions per day (which I got from some old query at data.stackexchange), it doesn't look like things have been somewhat stable the last couple of years.

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- here's one that might be closed: [ Including C++ in AMS Book template](tex.stackexchange.com/q/290434) it was referred to ams tech-support, where it was received, and an extenced example requested, but none was forthcoming. so i think close with reason "referred to ams tech-support, where insufficient information made it impossible to answer." is that an acceptable reason?

Torbjørn T.

(Above, I meant of course "it doesn't look like things have changed much the last couple of years", or "it looks like things have been somewhat stable the last couple of years".)

Johannes_B

@TorbjørnT. There are regular deep drops do you know what caused them?

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B sundays?

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle Once a year? Maybe christmas?

David Carlisle

5:08 PM

@Johannes_B wow there's more than one sunday a year? never noticed.

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle You can better decide how to close or answer:tex.stackexchange.com/questions/267432/…

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B close unclear I guess

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle Agreed.

Torbjørn T.

5:39 PM

@Johannes_B Christmas, definitely. The tick for the year is January 1. (Plot starts July 27 2010, ends today.)

Usually a drop in summer as well, but the biggest ones are Christmas.

Johannes_B

@TorbjørnT. Ah, thanks for clarifying.

Johannes_B

5:55 PM

Any regexp experts around? Too old to migrate anyway. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/283239/…

barbara beeton

6:07 PM

another question answered: tex.stackexchange.com/q/287403/579 if not controversial, an upvote please. (now, back to packing.)

@Johannes_B -- looks more like new year's to me. but that's certainly about the same time of the year.

Johannes_B

6:32 PM

Two hours later of looking through the unanswered list, poking people to write an answer and voting for closure: 8999 questions with no upvoted or accepted answer

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- well, i've answered two (upvoted), and have an outstanding query here in chat whether a proposed closing reason would be acceptable (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/29525620#29525620). say yes to that, and i will vote to close. but more keep coming in!

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton unclear.

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- is that the category for closure (suitable), or an evaluation of my explanation?

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton my go to reason for a question that cannot sufficiently answered because information is missing.

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- well, that is the underlying reason, but since the comments already say something about ams tech-support, i thought it might be useful to acknowledge that, since there was also a failure there to get necessary information, rather than that ams tech-support isn't doing its job.

Johannes_B

6:45 PM

@barbarabeeton I often leave a comment when voting to close. I just don't know if people see it :-)

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- well, that's what i was intending to do, and that's the comment i was proposing to use. (whether anyone reads it is their own problem.) okay. i'll close and use that comment.

Alan Munn

8:01 PM

@JosephWright Can we close questions to which comments have never been replied to by the OP as "Unclear what you're asking"? Will that help? Or are most of those gone already? It seems that @Johannes_B agrees with that tactic.

Johannes_B

@AlanMunn I sometimes ask is there any news here and when i come back to the question weeks later ... vote to close if the question stays unanswerable (for me). What happens next ... review queue

Alan Munn

@Johannes_B Any idea on roughly how many of our ~~9000~~ 8999 unanswered questions fall into that category?

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- i like the "any news here" tactic. when i see one of those, i check to see when was the last time the op was checked in. if the op hasn't been around since a couple of days after asking the question, i will almost always vote to close; if the op was present just a few days ago, i'll wait.

Johannes_B

@AlanMunn Quite a few.

Alan Munn

@Johannes_B So we could get rid of a bunch that way. Because the robo closers are a very efficient bunch...

Johannes_B

8:18 PM

@AlanMunn Getting rid of unasnwerable questions is one thing ... When i vote to close on a perfectly answerable question, which i may have understoof wrong, and the robos come in ... The questioin will be closed, even though it is anwserable. That is the strange thing.

See, it works :-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/296512/…

Another one to decide:

@Johannes_B No idea. Unclear? We'd need more details? There's no follow up from the OP. The OP themselves is uncertain whether the bibliography can be 'mixed' or not. If so, they've already found their own solution. If not, not. But given that mixed would be normal, I'd say it is likely that 'they can be mixed' and the OP probably went with the solution they found themselves. But this is highly speculative, of course: hence, unclear. ?? — cfr 1 min ago

Alan Munn

@Johannes_B Well yes, of course that's the downside of the robo gang. That's why voting to close needs to be done quite conservatively I guess.

yo'

@Johannes_B Still interested in the "unanswered by tags" data query?

Johannes_B

@yo' Sure :-)

@AlanMunn Ultimate test case: vvvvv

yo'

@Johannes_B ok, I'll see what has been done and what can be done :-)

Johannes_B

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this is not spam. — Johannes_B 3 mins ago

barbara beeton

8:29 PM

@yo' -- i'd find that interesting too. i've made myself an off-line list of the unanswered questions with "ams"-specific tags, but i know there are a bunch out there under [align] and similar. (although many of the [align] questions are not math, but horizontal alignment of other sorts. (when i find those, i change the tags, but sometimes there are so many i have to stagger them on multiple days. fie.)

yo'

@barbarabeeton please, "fie" is a sound similar to "sigh", right?

@Johannes_B One problem is, tags are stored as a string, e.g., <macros><errors><expansion> which makes the problem quite difficult...

barbara beeton

@yo' -- that's the pronunciation. the meaning is different, though. it's an expression of exasperation, like "oh, bother!" "sigh" is more resignation.

yo'

@barbarabeeton thanks. Yeah, I know the meaning of sigh, just making sure I didn't miss some real word...

@Johannes_B How precisely you want it? With 0 answers altogether?

David Carlisle

@yo' I always associated it with American english but miriam-webster says its 14th century anglo-french, so can't really blame the americans for that. merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fie

Johannes_B

@yo' a bit might be ok

@barbarabeeton Look at the questions tagged overleaf or sharelatex :-)

yo'

8:36 PM

@Johannes_B let's see what the column "AnswerCount" actually contains...

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- i'm pretty sure that shakespeare used it at least a few times. the oxford dictionary site says it's "obsolete or archaic". well, that fits me pretty well. so fie on that!

@Johannes_B -- okay, will do. (although i try to avoid on-line processors. i'm a command line devotee myself.)

yo'

it's probably gonna be modulo tag synonyms, that seems a tough one.

@Johannes_B Have you got any question with deleted answers at hand, please?

David Carlisle

8:55 PM

@barbarabeeton sorry I broke it: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/308553/dots-plus-left

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- ook! then i think you'd better fix it!

yo'

@Johannes_B Do you insist on including questions with only zero-score answers?

@Johannes_B Here you go: data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/483779/… It includes questions with deleted answers, but it excludes questions with zero score answers.

David Carlisle

9:11 PM

@barbarabeeton done:-)

yo'

@barbara @Johannes A better version: data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/483779/…

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Johannes_B

9:25 PM

@yo' Oh thanks. I bet some of those can be minimalized.

yo'

@Johannes_B As I say, it ignores deleted answers completely, and ignores closed questions completely, however, question with only zero-score answers is considered answered

Johannes_B

@yo' it gives a rough estimate, and this is good.

yo'

@Johannes_B the discrepancy is low, about 5--10\,\%

I could improve it to include these if you wished.

Johannes_B

@yo' Nah, don't bother. Rough estimates are taking the world further ;-)

yo'

@Johannes_B lol ok

Johannes_B

9:32 PM

The more "generic" you want to make it, the more complicated it gets.

Tweeted by templateGundar on May 8, 2016 at 9:31 PM

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well, this is about ... templates

yo'

@Johannes_B :)

Johannes_B

@yo' ^^^^

yo'

@Johannes_B You're all the same: imbecile, idiot, imbecile, idiot imbecile, idiot; only there in the back, that's an exception, there are two idiots next to each other. :D

(a quote from one Czech theatre play, it is said when pointing out in the auditorium)

Johannes_B

@yo' I think everyone contributing to that thing is an idiot, if he/she may be aware of it or not.

@yo' I am reminded of whose line is it anyways?

yo'

@Johannes_B I'm not sure which play it is, but it's from this fictional author:

Jára Cimrman

Jára Cimrman (Czech pronunciation: [ˈjaːra ˈtsɪmr̩man]) is a Czech fictional character of a universal genius. Created by Jiří Šebánek, Ladislav Smoljak and Zdeněk Svěrák, the fictional personality (universal genius, inventor, sportsman, criminalist, poet, writer and philosopher), Jára Cimrman won the voting for The Greatest Czech in 2005 (only the fact that Cimrman is fictional prevented him from actually winning). He is presented as one of the greatest Czech playwrights, poets, composers, teachers, travellers, philosophers, inventors, detectives, mathematicians, amateur obstectricians and sportsmen...

Arun Debray

10:11 PM

Hello, do you know why there's a close vote on the following question: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/94889/ ?
The recent comments by @Johannes_B are confusing me and I couldn't find anything upstream in the chat explaining.
Thanks!

Johannes_B

@ArunDebray experiment. ;-)

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B ? what are you experimenting what does the comment mean?

Arun Debray

@Johannes_B all right, but should I vote to reopen?

David Carlisle

@ArunDebray you can't vote to re-open unless it closes

yo'

@ArunDebray you can't vote to reopen since it's not closed just now

Alan Munn

10:15 PM

@ArunDebray To expand a little, it's a test to see whether our close voting squad is blindly closing stuff (as they are wont to do) or actually looking at the question before issuing a close voted.

Arun Debray

Sorry, I meant vote to leave open!

David Carlisle

@ArunDebray you can't do that either

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle With the right amount of robo reviewers, the question will get closed and votes for reopening are needed. If not closed, everything is ok.

yo'

@DavidCarlisle you can, in the review

Arun Debray

@AlanMunn Thank you for the clarification!

David Carlisle

10:16 PM

@yo' oh, never go there:-) if so why can't you vote that way on the question page?

yo'

@DavidCarlisle no (call it "clever UX")

Anonymous

Could anybody know a way to answer this question maybe? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/306240/… I just added a photo-edit of a desired output.

yo'

well, I'm off. Bye, everybody!

Alan Munn

@Johannes_B I don't think I understand the review queue. The question doesn't show up there, but there are only 4 votes total on it.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn I was just going to say same

Johannes_B

10:20 PM

@yo' same here, tada and fare well

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Well here's the answer, but it's so damn complicated I don't think it's worth even trying to understand.

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Q: How do Close Votes and Close Votes Review interact? Aren't Close Votes the same as Close Review votes?

We already have canonical answers on how Close Votes work and how Review queues work. This one is intended to hold one regarding their connection & interaction. Close votes and Close Review are definitely connected, but the nature of the connection remains a mystery - which leads to confusion. ...

support review vote-to-close

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn I knew there was a reason I never enter that review area:-)

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle :) But basically if 3 "keep open" votes are cast in review they override the close votes, and a new "vote to close" from the question itself must be generated to start the closing process again. And that's what happened in this case.

Anonymous

11:03 PM

Any suggestion on how to tackle Put 1 footnote's text (mark inside Mdframe) at the bottom in that Mdframe, but below other footnotes' texts + after extra seperation ruler?

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