TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Johannes_B

7:05 AM

I knew it, i knew it, i knew it.

Paulo Cereda

8:24 AM

Morning, ladies, gentlemen, penguins and ducks! :)

São Paulo awaits for me, so you guys behave while I am gone. :) To the shaky bus! :)

Joseph Wright

9:35 AM

U:\>pdftex --version
pdfTeX 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.17 (TeX Live 2016/W32TeX)
kpathsea version 6.2.2
Copyright 2016 Han The Thanh (pdfTeX) et al.
There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and
the Lesser GNU General Public License.
For more information about these matters, see the file
named COPYING and the pdfTeX source.
Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh (pdfTeX) et al.
Compiled with libpng 1.6.21; using libpng 1.6.21
Compiled with zlib 1.2.8; using zlib 1.2.8

@egreg ^^^

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.95.0 (TeX Live 2016/W32TeX)
 system commands enabled.
(./test.tex
LaTeX2e <2016/03/31>

@DavidCarlisle ^^^ :-)

yo'

9:51 AM

@PauloCereda Yes, Sir!

Joseph Wright

11:19 AM

All checks passed

@DavidCarlisle, @naphaneal ^^^ :-)

@naphaneal Just to point out there are tests already (at least for the kernel)

yo'

@JosephWright Party time?

Ulrike Fischer

12:45 PM

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle microtype doesn't recognize luatex ("Package microtype Warning: You don't seem to be using either pdftex, luatex, or xetex.") (Does a test for \pdftexversion, work if one loads luatex85).

Nasser

ok, I give up. I get this error with only tex4ht and not with pdflatex and I am not able to figure where it coming from. It says /usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/caption/ltcaption.sty just before the error, and then it says:
*geometry* driver: auto-detecting
*geometry* detected driver: dvips
! Missing $ inserted.
<inserted text>
$
l.273 \EndPreamble

but when I look at my latex file, at line 273, I do not see any problem there. there is not even any math there. This is line 273 in my latex

I think this is a bug in tex4ht if you ask me. It only happens by random.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Not surprising: needs a prod I guess (why doesn't it just look for \directlua?)

Nasser

and here is line 273 in the latex file.

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright It starts the test with \pdftexversion to get "pdftex or luatex" and then continues with a test for \directlua.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Yes, know, but testing for the used primitives directly is often the best way :-)

@UlrikeFischer Easily fixable, anyway

Ulrike Fischer

12:54 PM

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Error with pgf/tikz:

! Package pgf Error: Driver file ``pgfsys-luatex.def'' not found..

Imho a side effect from the driver change in graphics as pgf does this here

\def\pgfutil@guessdriver{
  \ifx\HCode\@undefined%
    \edef\pgfsysdriver{pgfsys-\Gin@driver}% should be right
  \else%
    \def\pgfsysdriver{pgfsys-tex4ht.def}% should be right
  \fi%
}

@JosephWright The problem is more the nesting of the tests.

egreg

1:22 PM

Anybody willing to upvote tex.stackexchange.com/questions/302921/… so we can invite the OP to the chat? A couple of votes should suffice, IIRC

Nasser

2:08 PM

I found the problem! I had underscore in the title !! tex4ht fails when there is _ in the title of the document, but lualatex has no problem with it (I get no error from lualatex). very strange. any way, I removed the _ (was a typo anyway) and now tex4ht compiles it ok. more than one hour it took to find this.

Joseph Wright

2:29 PM

@UlrikeFischer I've already warned the TikZ team about that one (though had no reply)

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright \def\pgfsysdriver{pgfsys-pdftex.def} early enough works fine. I guess you already warned Heiko that ifpdf doesn't work correctly if one doesn't load luatex85?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Oh yes

@UlrikeFischer Will email about that

StrongBad

2:49 PM

I am looking for a package that can read in a vcard (or some other address card format) and make the data accessible via macros. Any ideas?

egreg

3:02 PM

@StrongBad How does a vcard look like?

naphaneal

@egreg usually a csv

daleif

3:41 PM

@naphaneal @StrongBad if it is just a csv format, then datatool should be able to handle it

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- i think you should be interested in the comments posted to this question: tex.stackexchange.com/q/302809/579 (and you might also want to point frank in that general direction as well.)

StrongBad

4:19 PM

@daleif the issue is there are tons of fields and writing parsing code would be difficult.

daleif

@StrongBad well, it would also be difficult for someone else to do it.

StrongBad

@daleif that is why if someone has created a package, I want to use it.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Looks like the Mac binary updates are in :-)

egreg

@JosephWright Interesting.

@JosephWright Started install

egreg

5:02 PM

Installing [1621/3217, time/total: 28:20/56:03]: latex [12692k]

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle Could one extend xr to read more specific lines from an external aux-file (I want to read in lines like \savepointas{b}{pgfid2} and \pgfsyspdfmark {pgfid1}{7922962}{34719456}. Or do you know some package which could do this?

G. Bay

5:33 PM

Just wondering, every time I compile my dissertation the previewed pdf starts at a specific page, not Page 1. Is there any hidden bookmark on TexStudio or anything similar?

egreg

Installing [3217/3217, time/total: 01:02:33/01:02:33]: zxjatype [142k]
Time used for installing the packages: 62:34

G. Bay

thats over one hour! quite a lot

egreg

@G.Bay It's a 4.3 GiB install and the server I fetched TL from is not among the fastest.

yo'

@G.Bay for installing about 4G of data? not so quite :)

@G.Bay ummmm ..... yes, obviously? :D

G. Bay

lol, I thought it was 142k, lmao

yo'

5:41 PM

@G.Bay only the last package. You see, there's 3217 of them (of varying size of course)

egreg

> luatex --version
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.95.0 (TeX Live 2016)

G. Bay

Thing in texstudio is that I dont have any bookmarks on my documents, but still when I compile main... shows me a specific page, weird.

yo'

@egreg I should do that too, to break all my code :D

egreg

@G.Bay Perhaps some setting for hyperref?

G. Bay

@egreg Maybe, but i'm looking at the code and there's nothing special, except some chemical reactions

Opening in external viewer is ok, shows me first page as usual

yo'

5:45 PM

@G.Bay does it open on the page that corresponds to the position in your code? If so, it could be synctex

G. Bay

@yo' It's a multiple file document, subfile package, and the preview opens on a specific page when I compile the main. Let me google that synctex

G. Bay

6:10 PM

@yo' oh, thats a nice feature if I remove the -synctex=1 it doesn't load to that specific page... so I think you hit the spot. Now i need to figure it out how to fix.

David Carlisle

6:24 PM

@egreg welcome to my world

@UlrikeFischer I found out the other day @egreg had copied xr to copy citations possibly could think of a more generic scheme. Often of course you could just input the external aux file rather then selecting individual commands, it all depends..

Ulrike Fischer

6:49 PM

@DavidCarlisle I don't dare to input the aux -- to many side effects possible.

yo'

@UlrikeFischer create your own auxiliary file then?

Ulrike Fischer

@yo' The commands are from pgf/tikzmark. I'm trying to reproduce positions from one document in another.

yo'

@UlrikeFischer ah ok. Well, then maybe extract only the necessary lines using an external tool like sed?

8:25 PM

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@ChristianHupfer cat xii.tex

Christian Hupfer

@yo': Another ORLY book will have Jar Jar Binks on the front cover ;-)

David Carlisle

@yo' so rude

yo'

8:31 PM

@DavidCarlisle me? rude? why would you think so...

David Carlisle

@yo' If you were a linguist like me used to many languages you would not find the plain TeX style hard to read just because you are more used to latex.

Christian Hupfer

@yo': My personal favorite ;-)

Johannes_B

latex-community.org/forum/…

@ChristianHupfer ^^^ Look at that.

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B crosspost: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/303235/compile-timed-out

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer Nice. I like crossposts. Thanks for reporting.

Christian Hupfer

8:40 PM

@Johannes_B Which error message?

David Carlisle

@egreg is that from the pretest (I just updated from cstug and binary is still 0.80?)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer a message from sharelatex.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Ah, I spot the error: Using ShareLaTeX is the error ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Not really. Those online editors are actually quite good. Sure, you can confuse them, but that is a user fault.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B I don't like them

Johannes_B

8:47 PM

@ChristianHupfer i don't use them.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B My line implies your one (for me) ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer I think implying that by using an online editor and templates you can get started more easily with LaTeX is wrong. The more users with a low understanding, the more bad code will distribute.

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B I don't think that some large image is the problem -- I doubt the user is able to create one -- imho it is faulty code, e.g, I can see two \begin{cases} and no \end{cases}.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Yes, users share bad LaTeX

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Yes, pretest

Johannes_B

8:52 PM

@UlrikeFischer Surely. The guys from sharelatex will look at the problem and correct it. and the user is satisfied. A support site like this one (or LC) depends on the info the OP gives, which will be stressing for the OP and any helpers leading to frustration. I think, from a UX POV just hitting the direct and on site help button is better than asking here.

David Carlisle

@egreg maybe I just need to wait a bit cstug is showing 16 hours on tug.org/texlive/mirmon

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Can i get that email address? shareBadLatex@terror.org?

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B I would be careful with terror addresses ;-)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Maybe the binaries for cygwin have not yet been updated

David Carlisle

@egreg yes I wondered about that, anyway I'm at my parents sorting out real life so can't do much with it this weekend anyway.

David Carlisle

10:36 PM