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Anonymous
05:24
@UlrikeFischer In relation to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/305872/…, regarding your suggestion of having descriptions for each field (which I would like to try in the mean-time before I find an answer), would you know any elegant way of doing so, please? Of course, perhaps there is a more automatized way than title = {booktitle} \textbf{(title)}},?
07:35
@VincentVerheyen title = {title}, booktitle = {booktitle}. Formatting directives for titles (or anything else) should not be in your database, this is for content only -> instead use \DeclareFieldFormat{title}{\textbf{#1}}
 
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kan
kan
08:38
Hello everyone!
Anonymous
@Johannes_B Thank you very much. \DeclareFieldFormat{title}{#1 \textbf{(title)}} seems to work, but \DeclareFieldFormat{author}{#1 \textbf{(author)}} does not.
@kan Hello!
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@egreg How are you?
BTW, I TA'd a term of Linear Algebra! It was fun! I don't understand why I found this hard when I started as an undergrad. ;) @egreg
Anonymous
@kan Hey kan, don't you think, if you like Bourbakism, there should be a project started like by the Bourbakistes, for Tex; that is: a template which is very encompassing in that it can be used as an international standard for all scientists? Just throwing in a vague idea(l), by a noob (myself); while I probably don't understand what is already in place.
@kan I was basically not taught linear algebra as a freshman, so I couldn't find it hard. ;-)
kan
kan
08:43
@egreg That could be the right answer! I learn Mathematics rather well by myself, than when it is taught. Sometimes, people contrive things -- well, atleast one of my teachers did (you perhaps know what they taught... ;))
@kan I still have the course notes for “Geometria 1”, which was abstract theory of vector spaces (with duality and all) in the first semester and general topology in the second semester.
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@egreg Hah! I see, it is nice that you emphasise the geometric aspects. I am afraid my students don't "really" know what good are inner products for!
@VincentVerheyen Bourbakism is a disease of youth…
@kan That's was the program of the course I was taught.
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@VincentVerheyen Interesting question. I think I know where you are headed with this. The principle behind Bourbaki's writings is to deduce the particular from the more general. This is distinct from the unachievable goal of catering to everyone's needs.
@VincentVerheyen So no! I don't think there is a reasonable "one size fits all" template.
@egreg My viewpoint is this: you read Bourbaki to organise and learn to organise knowledge. This is related to acquiring knowledge but should not be confused with it -- I am not saying you cannot learn from Bourbaki's writings but I am only saying that there are some things you need to be good at to learn from Bourbaki. Perhaps you disagree :)
Anonymous
@kan It's like the sizes of shoes: nobody has the exact shoe-size 34, but it's an approximation, and the standards put in place for a few shoe-sizes can be useful to cater for many needs. The same could be done for Tex, as a scientific concensus. -- I am sorry, I can't give any useful input, I just wished to share the vague idea.
kan
kan
08:55
@VincentVerheyen Actually, it is a very interesting analogy/thought. But, there are several completing "size 34"s out there. Each one closer to someone's style.
@kan People can learn much from Bourbaki, provided they already know what math is involved. One of my favorite example is the implicit map theorem on manifolds. I was taught it with a very complicated setup with local coordinates; then I saw it in Dieudonné's book, proved in a very easy way like in the two variable case using the product of two Banach spaces. Illuminating, but only because I already knew what it was about.
Anonymous
@kan So which encompassing .Tex template(s) (and perhaps easily indexable by analyzing/synthesizing bots) do a large group of scientific communities (and perhaps from mixed disciplines) promote to use?
kan
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@VincentVerheyen Most American-trained mathematicians and lazy ones use ams classes for example. Some others in Europe use smf classes. There is the plain old article and book classes too...
@egreg Indeed, as I suggested. I'd say you'd need to be good at realising what lies behind some Mathematics you're reading as you're doing so. This is what familiarity with some piece of Mathematics gives you :)
Anonymous
@kan Yes, each group of mathematicians uses their own template, and mathematicians use very different templates than scientists from other disciplines. This just accumulates in making scientific worlds more and more seperate from eachother. It could be useful to have a standard mark-up et cetera up and running to grab.
@kan And this is why I call it a disease of youth: when you see some Bourbakist presentation, you think “oh, that's very easy!”. Well it isn't. ;-)
Anonymous
09:04
@egreg I'm actually not familiar with Bourbakistes. My brain seems to be too slow for advanced mathematics. I dropped out of university as a Mathematics undergraduate when I couldn't keep away from Cantor's diagonal argument: I still can not agree with it. It flushes inside what it is supposed to prove.
Anonymous
By that time, I already started writing a document on why I don't agree with it; it's still flying around on my back-up drive.
kan
kan
@egreg :)
OK TeX friends! I have some 500 CAD saved up and I am looking to buy a new laptop. My only two requirements are battery life > 10 hrs and the ability to install a full LaTeX distribution! Any suggestions or pointers would be very helpful!
09:23
@kan 'CAD'?
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@JosephWright Canadian Dollars, sorry! :)
@kan That was my suspicion but I was not sure
@VincentVerheyen You only need to redefine the field formats. Check how the standard style write "URL" before an url. But I would hate such references. Such decorations only make it more difficult to read a text.
kan
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@JosephWright Hah! BTW, long time no see! How have you been?
@kan Broadly fine though I'm not at work today as I've not 100%
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kan
09:27
@JosephWright Oops, sorry to hear that! Take care!
Anonymous
@UlrikeFischer That's why I would like to have pop-overs / tooltips.
Anonymous
@UlrikeFischer But why do you think \DeclareFieldFormat{author}{#1 \textbf{(author)}} is not working?
Anonymous
@kan Buy me a flight ticket to your country, and I'll give you my laptop; provided I can learn from your thoughts as a mathematician. ;)
@VincentVerheyen because author is a name not a field.
Anonymous
@UlrikeFischer Ok, I'll try to figure it out in some manual. ;)
Anonymous
09:33
@UlrikeFischer The annoying thing is I have to first delete all (well, some, but I just delete them all) generated files other than my .tex file; before I can change anything in the bibliography, then I have to compile with LuaLatex, then with Bibtex, and then with LuaLatex again ... so time-consuming. I wish I knew a better way.
@VincentVerheyen I would hate it as a tooltip to. It looks as if the author thinks I'm an idiot and need such a tip to realize that this is the title of a book.
@VincentVerheyen I seldom have to delete something. And if you want to do complicated stuff in the bibliography, get used to biber and drop bibtex.
Anonymous
@UlrikeFischer Trust me, if you look at bibliographies, you'll appreciate such indexing. It's not for everyone. We are all idiots in different fields, and one day, everybody will be an idiot in today's world's events.
Anonymous
@UlrikeFischer When I create documents, I have the preference to remove ambiguity.
@VincentVerheyen At the cost of repetitions and longer documents. It is easy to add more and more data to a text, but really skilled authors know how to remove things.
Anonymous
@Johannes_B @UlrikeFischer It's also easier to CTRL+F something specific, or to count things; in other words: to analyze the document in precise ways.
Anonymous
09:45
@UlrikeFischer Maybe it's "easy on the mind", but not quite good for archival purposes.
Anonymous
@UlrikeFischer The BibLaTeX manual says that author is a data field @ ftp.yzu.edu.tw/CTAN/macros/latex/exptl/biblatex/doc/… (page 15-16), or have I mis-understood that?
@VincentVerheyen You need \DeclareNameFormat.
Anonymous
10:00
@UlrikeFischer Thanks, now looking how to target Publisher.
Anonymous
It seems to be a list.
Anonymous
Yep: \DeclareListFormat.
@VincentVerheyen There are different types of field: literals, lists, authors, verbatim, ...: handling depends on 'structure'
10:25
@JosephWright: How are you feeling today?
@PauloCereda Well I'm not at work, but improving and hoping another day just sitting will sort things
@JosephWright Glad to hear. :)
@PauloCereda National holiday!
@egreg Yay!
@egreg: any plans for today? :)
10:37
@ChristianHupfer Hi!
@PauloCereda Master Duck ;-)
@ChristianHupfer oh no! :)
@PauloCereda Bad weather.
@PauloCereda Maybe we can have a party at 5pm (depending on the score of Roma-Napoli). ;-)
@egreg oh no!
@egreg ooh the Calcio title? :)
@PauloCereda :)
11:30
Hm Thunderbird added new arrows...
@PauloCereda What's Thunderbird? ;-)
@PauloCereda Thunderbirds shots arrows on you when a mail has come in? ;-)
@egreg ooh that's easy it's a New Zealand-British science-fiction television programme a mail program. :)
@ChristianHupfer Pretty much, I have to dodge them arrows!
yo'
yo'
11:58
@ChristianHupfer you can send hits by arrows to people you hate now as long as they use Thunderbird :)
Btw, a student just showed an ultimate way how to solve an integral: substitute $t=x$
@yo' Math is so easy. :)
yo'
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@PauloCereda What do ducks know about math?
1 duckling, 2 ducklings, 3 ducklings, 4 ducklings, ... (is it like sheep, I feel soo sleeepy...)
@yo' oooh :)
@yo' Ducks know advanced stuff. :)
12:47
@yo' A better way would be $x=2$, it makes things much easier.
@yo' Well, I hate people that do not use Thunderbird ;-) It's a vicious circle now
@egreg or $1=2$ then everything's provable.
@yo' This is almost as good as "the answer is 42"
@DavidCarlisle I like this approach very much. :)
13:20
@DavidCarlisle Even Fish's Theorem: “every set of points in the plane consists of aligned points”, with the obvious corollary that “all conics are degenerate“. A colleague of mine proved it on an April Fools' Day. :D
 
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15:05
@PauloCereda Party!!!!!
15:23
@egreg YAAAAAY
 
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17:02
@PauloCereda Now it's Palmeiras' turn!
@egreg We are out of the Paulista and Libertadores. :( Let's wait for the Brasileiro. :)
@PauloCereda :(
@egreg <3
 
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18:30
Have you seen the nonsense edit of the op of this question? What shall we do? Undo the edit?
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@Kurt Easy case: rollback
@JosephWright Okay, perhaps better if a moderator did that?
@Kurt One did ;-)
@JosephWright :-) Thanks!
 
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20:06
hi
just trying to understand the changes I made to my packages four years ago...
@MartinScharrer 'ello!
@MartinScharrer Oh I cannot even remember what I had for lunch today! :)
@PauloCereda well Mercurial remembered it for me .. it's about understanding it ..
@MartinScharrer :)
Oopsie wrong smiley. :)
JMP
JMP
20:33
May I ask for some support?
@JMP Yes, of course. Is it about cricket or football? ;-)
@PauloCereda Feijoada?
JMP
JMP
I am working on a solution for this question and I have some trouble to pass either a \pgfmathresult or a macro to an \ifthen command.
@egreg Oh I wish. :) It was a nice salmon. :)
@PauloCereda I had salmon for dinner!
@egreg yay!
20:50
@egreg: Psalmons like psalms. :)
@PauloCereda And Psmith
@egreg ooh indeed
21:03
@PauloCereda In Italian it's even better: “pallone” is “grande palla”, “cannone” is “grande canna”, “salmone” is “grande salmo”. ;-)
@egreg oooooh
I like this so much!
@PauloCereda We've a wealth of these “falsi accrescitivi”: burro/burrone, matto/mattone and many others.
@egreg When mum brought her recipe book, I saw the word burro. Burro in Portuguese is donkey. :D
@PauloCereda Like in Spanish, I guess: “spaghetti al burro”. ;-)
@egreg Exactly. :) The sentence in question was burro fresco, something like a... fresh donkey. :)
@egreg: worse: apellido in Spanish is sobrenome in Português (surname). and sobrenombre in Spanish is apelido in Portuguese (nickname).
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
21:40
@PauloCereda In Italian “Soprannome” is nickname; “cognome” is surname. In French, “nom” is surname and “prénom” is (given) name. What a mess!
@PauloCereda The Romans had a praenomen (Publius), a nomen (Cornelius), a cognomen (Scipio) and maybe also an agnomen (Africanus).

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