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12:21 AM
I will be away again for few days. You guys enjoy. Please keep me wet with few votes every day :)
 
 
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5:54 AM
In a LyX document, how can I find the source code? I would like to find this in order to provide a MWE.
 
 
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7:39 AM
@TorbjørnT. Do you wanna take care of it @David?
@TheSubstitute Go to File -> Export -> pdflatex
 
7:58 AM
Good maen
@HarishKumar Yeah, I grab all tcolorbox questions then :-P Have a nice trip or vacation
 
8:52 AM
Hi @ChristianHupfer.
 
9:03 AM
@TorbjørnT., @cfr and friends: sorry, I am really in debt with those questions. I will see what I can do today. I am drowning with work to do lately. :(
 
@FaheemMitha: Good morning. I am blue-penciling a class - test, so I am not really here ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer No problem. So, you teach?
 
@FaheemMitha According to my profile... yes, I do
 
@ChristianHupfer ok.
 
@FaheemMitha I became Physics and Math teacher, after my PhD, almost ten years ago
 
9:12 AM
@ChristianHupfer I see. Do you like it?
 
@FaheemMitha Occasionally ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer That sounds like a ringing endorsement. :-)
 
@FaheemMitha Actually, I am considering to do some other job, but at the moment I have no clue what this should be ;-) Sorry, back to work, see you later on, perhaps
 
@ChristianHupfer Oh. Something tech related?
 
@FaheemMitha Tech? TeX? Yes, I should be paid for answering the bunch of @egreg's questions. That would provide me with a living :D
 
9:16 AM
@ChristianHupfer "the bunch of @egreg's questions"? egreg doesn't ask any questions. And I just meant tech generally. Meaning computers, software, engineering, science, stuff like that.
 
9:47 AM
@percusse $1,800 holy guacamole!
 
@FaheemMitha It was a joke -- irony
 
@percusse I'd create a new journal called Tongue just to piss people off. :)
 
10:38 AM
@TorbjørnT. @Johannes_B don't really want to answer that one, my comment was saying the question should be clarified, so I just voted close as unclear.
 
10:52 AM
@ChristianHupfer Ah
 
@egreg are you going to ask the 100000th question?
 
@DavidCarlisle Maybe you should!
 
@FaheemMitha I was waiting for him to tell me where the ask a question button is.
 
@DavidCarlisle I could help you out with that.
@DavidCarlisle You're online even on a Sunday? Not having a stroll around your beatiful village?
 
@FaheemMitha might go out later but it's not so beautiful this weekend: wet, cold and windy:-)
 
11:03 AM
@DavidCarlisle Ah. Bummer. :-(
English weather. Gotta love it.
 
@DavidCarlisle Here it's dry, warm and quiet. :P
 
@ChristianHupfer: you are welcome :) BTW I am not on a trip. Going to be on some assignment that will eat my entire day.
 
@egreg Well, Italy is always beautiful. Or so I hear.
 
@FaheemMitha Better than Oxfordshire, apparently.
 
@egreg Well, English weather is famously terrible. Like English food.
 
11:16 AM
@DavidCarlisle Please, go ahead.
 
I have a small question on TeXmaker, namely that when I try to use Okular as an external PDF viewer, it will look for the pdf file in my home directory, instead of the directory with the tex file
Is there an easy solution?
 
yo'
@egreg Sunny here. I'm in Tábor, next to the river, just finishing a trip with mz scouts :)
 
(My question was solved by replacing "okular %.pdf" with "gnome-open %.pdf"
 
@yo' Did they finish repairing the road?
 
@Krijn You could do a self-answer question on TeX SX. So it would be useful for others with the same question. Assuming it is on-topic here, of course.
 
11:38 AM
@FaheemMitha too hot, and the sky is always a boring blue colour without interesting white bits floating around
 
@DavidCarlisle If you dislike that about Italy, I wonder what you would think of India. Though we do have clouds here, sometimes.
 
11:54 AM
@StefanKottwitz golatex.de/viewtopic,p,77883.html#77883 at least the signature seems to be not ok. Or is it?
 
12:38 PM
@Johannes_B Not really bad advertising, just his own private books (family chronicle), so I don't worry. I guess that topic may be deleted soon ayway, if he doesn't think about using LaTeX for the books
 
@StefanKottwitz Ok :-)
 
1:11 PM
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\rule{1cm}{1pt} \begin{minipage}[david][4cm][c]{2cm}
	\rule{1pt}{3cm}
\end{minipage}

\rule{1cm}{1pt} \parbox[joseph][5cm][b]{2cm}{\rule{1pt}{1cm}}
\end{document}
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright ^^^^^^^ ;-)
Same for tabular.
 
@Johannes_B sorry we couldn't afford any more bytes to do error checking. Most latex options are the same, I just added checking to \begin{figure}[Johannes] last year but most still do none.
@Johannes_B the reason for changing figure was the fallback behaviour was worse. for parbox/tabular every token except the first in [...] is discarded, and if that token is t or b it is top or bottom, everything else is centre. That is reasonable behaviour even if the documentation says you should use [c]. For figures, [David] was not like [] (which means the default) it meant not t,b,p,h ie do not allow the figure to be placed anywhere. So it seemed worth adding a check for that...
 
@DavidCarlisle So no chance in adding the tests for a future release?
 
@Johannes_B scary prospect. How many (thousands of) existing documents that currently work would start getting error messages?
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok. I just wondered to see h! as the position argument for minipage and thought back on the float parameter.
@DavidCarlisle Oh, your right. Well, i saw documentstyle today ;-)
 
@Johannes_B yes checking would be better....
 
1:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle When LaTeX3 is officially released.
 
 
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2:34 PM
Is LaTeX 3 going to be released?
 
@FaheemMitha we have to catch it first.
 
@DavidCarlisle Is it hard to catch?
 
@FaheemMitha there is no secret unreleased code, more or less any code that exists is already in public.
 
@DavidCarlisle Not all of its on CTAN
 
@FaheemMitha we've been trying since about 1992
@JosephWright I didn't say ctan:-)
 
2:39 PM
@DavidCarlisle Though I guess basically everything is on GitHub (bar some mails from Frank re. LDB)
 
Is there any kind of timeline?
 
@DavidCarlisle Speaking of L3, I'm trying to get that idea of 'key' args for xparse sorted
 
@FaheemMitha no
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok.
 
@JosephWright I could make some guesses as to what that is, but is that a conversation I skipped over? :-)
 
2:43 PM
@DavidCarlisle You were definitely there
 
I've probably asked this before, but does LaTeX 3 try to do better on the incomprehensible errors front?
I haven't used it enough to tell.
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, though we can only do what TeX will allow (as a macro expansion language)
 
@JosephWright Sounds good. I should probably try to use L3 features more.
L3 == LaTeX 3, correct?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes
 
@JosephWright ah Ok that.
 
2:46 PM
@JosephWright That repos seems to be mostly you, at least recently.
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm not sure about the idea of 'free order' for the args: doing one-token look ahead would be much easier. I think I'll implement that and see how it 'looks'.
@FaheemMitha A bit like @DavidCarlisle said yesterday about 2e: one person might well do the commits but that doesn't really reflect the discussions, etc.
 
@JosephWright Oh. Ok.
 
@FaheemMitha Note in particular that the history is a bit sparse early on as it was imported to SVN from previous systems
 
Well, glad to hear it. I'd hate it if L3 was a one man project.
@JosephWright How long have you guys been using Git?
 
@FaheemMitha Ah, now there's a thing
 
2:49 PM
Maybe you should take turns doing the commits. Mix it up. :-)
 
@FaheemMitha The real repo is SVN, but it's not publicly accessible: GitHub is a mirror from that
 
@JosephWright Oh. You're still using SVN? But you make commits to the git repos, right? You were talking about it just yesterday.
 
@FaheemMitha Or rather, the public interface is a bit limited: latex-project.org/svnroot/experimental/trunk
@FaheemMitha We have SubGit on the SVN server so it is possible to commit from Git, yes, but important stuff has to be done using SVN (most obviously, releases)
 
@JosephWright So you sync back with the SVN repos?
 
@FaheemMitha SubGit does, yes
 
2:52 PM
@JosephWright Ok. Transparently, I assume.
 
@FaheemMitha Indeed:
palladium:LaTeX3 joseph$ ls
experimental	latex2e-public	trunk
experimental is the Git version, trunk is the SVN version, latex2e-public is what you might guess ;-)
 
@FaheemMitha probably, in the end we'll move to git, as people get more used to it although it doesn't really offer any benefits over svn for a project lik ethis
 
@DavidCarlisle I can do commits on the train ;-)
 
@JosephWright odd:-) is that trunk of experimental or trunk of latexwe-public?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, so I remember you saying earlier. Do you currently use Git?
 
2:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle trunk is LaTeX3 (as it's the trunk for the team work as a whole)
 
@JosephWright only to the train (unless you are on a posh train like egreg with internet access and wine)
 
@JosephWright Yes, train commits are a killer feature. Though a better illustration would be plane commits. Since one can presumably get wireless internet on a train.
 
@DavidCarlisle I mean I can do local checkins on my laptop and then push once I get home, so they have some logic to them :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle He means disconnected operation. But probably you already know that.
 
@DavidCarlisle I was First on Friday but that's mainly as it was cheaper than the alternative
 
2:55 PM
/me wonders if wireless internet is available on some planes. No doubt for a hefty fee.
 
@FaheemMitha I get the train rather more often than I have to fly
 
@FaheemMitha this seems such a minimally useful feature, I ignore it.
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@JosephWright Ok.
 
@DavidCarlisle Certainly not a big thing (I was mainly doing some work on the train, so no version control involved)
 
2:56 PM
@DavidCarlisle It's quite useful if you have flakey internet. Though that's not why people use DVCS.
 
@FaheemMitha We've mainly got the Git mirror as the web interface on GitHub is more friendly than the Subversion one we have on our server (and we don't have to worry about it)
 
@JosephWright That makes sense.
I remember @SeanAllred having Git discussions with you guys. That was a while back.
 
I hate toc-stuff and my knowledge of the internals is limited. I asted some time on this, please anybody pick it up and enlighten me.
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Q: Problem with TOC editing

cal7FI work with TeX Live 2015 and LuaTex. I get "Something's wrong -- perhaps a missing \item" error. I edited the TOC as suggested here (1), in order to obtain a similar graphical result. Eventhogh the errors, the TOC looks exactly how I wanted. (3) All the errors come after the first chapter and...

\documentclass{report}
\newlength\rightmargintoc
\setlength\rightmargintoc{\linewidth}
\addtolength\rightmargintoc{-1em}
\makeatletter
\def\sectocline#1#2#3#4#5{%
	\parshape 2  0em \rightmargintoc \dimexpr\parindent-1em\relax \rightmargintoc
	\@tempdima#3
	\ifdim\lastskip=1sp\relax\ /~\else\fi{\small#4}\hskip1sp
}
\renewcommand*\l@section{\sectocline{1}{0em}{1.5em}}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
\tableofcontents
\chapter{Walzing}
\section{The evolution of Boeing Company}
\section{The evolution of Boeing Company}
 
@FaheemMitha Workflows that 'use' Git more are based around multiple branches, pull requests, code review, etc., none of which we really use/need so ...
@FaheemMitha I suspect we'll be sticking with SVN for a long time
 
@JosephWright now I'm really confused. Below svn root I have checked out experimental, latex2e-public, and WWW am I missing a LaTeX3 branch?
 
3:02 PM
@JosephWright DVCS has many advantages. How important people find them depends.
History rewriting is a big thing, for example.
 
@DavidCarlisle I think we are at cross-purposes :-)
 
@FaheemMitha that should be banned:-) The history should be a record of events
 
@FaheemMitha The last things i have done on github was template related :-(
 
@Johannes_B Try \parbox[bbad]{\textwidth}{Whatever}
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I remember that discussion earlier.
 
3:04 PM
@JosephWright as I say, I am confused. But I just check out the tree as it is on the server
 
@Johannes_B template related?
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't (usually) have the website
 
@JosephWright that presumably will be gone anyway soon, falling prey to some random DVCS system :-)
 
@egreg I encountered that, that's why the examples above all have the full argument set. Thinking about that ... not so good
@FaheemMitha You do know about my love for templates, right?
 
@Johannes_B Not really, no. I guess I must have missed it.
 
3:15 PM
@FaheemMitha Lucky you :-)
@egreg Where do i have to look to find out where this b is coming from? \parbox[ccircus]{\textwidth}{\rule{1pt}{1cm}}
 
@Johannes_B classic \if error;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Argh :-)
 
@Johannes_B latex sources have lots of code examples, including examples of classic errors.
 
@JosephWright I think i have left a comment to the same question yesterday but can't find it in my comments (it was there a few hours ago), can you check if the user posted a similar question yesterday? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/277304/…
 
@Johannes_B Yes, they did and the question was deleted
 
3:30 PM
@JosephWright Hrmpf
 
@Johannes_B See my comment
 
@DavidCarlisle Normal life of every language :-)
@JosephWright This is what i would do. Ask the editors.
 
hi,
where can I found the list a programm considered as safe for a \write18 ?
 
yo'
@egreg I dunno, I took the train, and then it's about 3 km walk :)
 
@Maïeul specified in texmf.cnf:
TEXMF_RESTRICTED_SCRIPTS = \
  {!!$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFDIST}/scripts/{$progname,$engine,}//
@Maïeul actually that's just windows, othewise it's also specified in texmf.cnf, as:
% The programs listed here are as safe as any we know: they either do
% not write any output files, respect openout_any, or have hard-coded
% restrictions similar or higher to openout_any=p.  They also have no
% features to invoke arbitrary other programs, and no known exploitable
% bugs.  All to the best of our knowledge.  They also have practical use
% for being called from TeX.
%
shell_escape_commands = \
bibtex,bibtex8,\
extractbb,\
kpsewhich,\
makeindex,\
mpost,\
repstopdf,\
 
3:38 PM
ok, thanks david
in my case I have
in my texmf.cnf file
 
@Maïeul of course if you use --shell-escape then you can use any command.
 
@DavidCarlisle yes, of course.
 
@ChristianHupfer I just used google translate from portuguese to german, try it out buddy, it's great: Fry ein wenig vorsichtig, so dass die Zwiebeln gold geworden, aber nicht verwelkt, weil sie noch lecker knackig.
 
4:02 PM
@Johannes_B In \@iiiparbox there is \if#1b\vbox; so with #1<-ccircus you get \if ccircusb\vbox which eats up cc and leaves iircusb\vbox in the input stream.
 
@egreg Oy. Ah, there it is. I didn't spot the b.
 
4:26 PM
@FaheemMitha Yes, Norwegian (the airline) offers this on some planes, see e.g. norwegian.no/uk/about-norwegian/our-company/fleet/…
 
@TorbjørnT. Ok, thank you.
 
@egreg inherited from 2.09:
\long\def\@iparbox[#1]#2#3{\leavevmode \@pboxswfalse
\if #1b\vbox
 
@TorbjørnT. Apparently free too. I've never heard of Norwegian before.
 
@FaheemMitha Not a huge airline I think, and Norway/Scandinavia is their main market I suppose.
 
@DavidCarlisle So Leslie's fault :-)
 
4:31 PM
@TorbjørnT. Ok.
 
That moment when you get your question answered but your professor requests to "change back to how it was" :(, at least my question could be useful to others.
 
@JosephWright must be (as I think I did the 2e additions in that area:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I've very rarely used LaTeX2.09. AMS-TeX was much better.
 
@egreg @DavidCarlisle must have got some of his work right, then
 
@JosephWright Happily there were other people in the team. :P
 
4:42 PM
@egreg Yes, some blokes called Frank, Rainer and Chris
 
@clemens I can confirm that strange work/vote ratio
 
@JosephWright I knew @egreg wouldn't be able to agree to that
@JosephWright and Alan (and Michael and Johannes, but Alan especially in the kernel)
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll leave the timing for 2e to you
 
@JosephWright I was wondering (in the light of your question the other day) if I should make a serious attempt at a longtable update for 2016/01/01, every time I look at it I persuade myself it's not a good idea.
 
yo'
I'll be teaching maths to chemical students for the first time tomorrow. Oh no! :D
 
4:48 PM
@yo' Thats nice, good luck with that and don't torture them... too much. lol
 
yo'
@G.Bay I don't even know the detailed syllabus nor the timing. I only know where the teachers I take after finished last week.
 
@yo' Easy enough: the first hour derivatives, the second one integrals. Then you're done.
 
yo'
@egreg If only. However, it seems that we've got 5 sessions for integrals, so if I'm a bit slower than I should be tomorrow, it's still gonna be fine
 
@Johannes_B :)
 
5:10 PM
@yo' could be worse: imagine teaching chemistry to math students :p
 
yo'
@clemens that would be much better :D
 
5:26 PM
@yo' Math students in a chemistry lab? Run for your life!
 
yo'
@egreg let's not speak about lab, rather about theory :D
 
@yo' No, they'll try to prove by contradiction that some reaction is possible. ;-)
 
@egreg :)
 
yo'
@egreg You know how many things were discovered by someone not listening to people saying it's impossible? :)
btw, I think I'm crazy. I've already installed all Xmas decoration I plan to install, and I'm listening to Xmas music ...
 
@yo' Yes, you're crazy.
 
yo'
5:32 PM
@TorbjørnT. Thanks. I would give you a penny, but I don't have any.
 
5:45 PM
@yo' I have a 50h coin on my desk. Is that good instead of a penny?
 
yo'
@egreg well, it "does not exist anymore" :-)
 
@yo' Are you telling me I suffered an enormous financial loss?
 
yo'
@egreg Not really. There is one place in the world where you can exchange two of them for 1Kč. Pity you've got only one...
btw, the value is less than EUR 0.02 ... :D
There is some interesting read on the network:
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A: What's the most likely "post democracy" form of political government?

CyrusFrom what is currently happening, it seems a plutocracy (disguised as a democracy or something else) is the most likely next form of government. Advancing technology has freed most people in modern countries from the constant threats of starvation, violence and sickness. They are mostly content...

 
6:01 PM
@clemens One fell for the bait. Papeeria like the thesis-template tweet.
 
6:52 PM
@yo' I have two, actually!
 
yo'
7:21 PM
@egreg in that case it should be possible to change them to one koruna
 
@yo' My finances look much better, now. :)
 
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@egreg :)
btw, Mozart, piano concerts 10, 11 and 14 :)
 
I do have a template here that issues \normalsize before every \include. I am a bit scared to open such a file.
Oh, there is a centerline.
need a bit of extra space in a tabular? Just add another one and use &\ &.
\sfb?
 
yo'
@Johannes_B \centerline is ... unfortunate. Not necessarily wrong. I understand that \centering is better, but used once for a specific thing, I wouldn't consider \centerline as a big issue.
 
@yo' I have to figure out where the sfb is coming from. I didn't know that existed.
 
yo'
7:36 PM
@Johannes_B I have no idea what it is
 
Class scrbook Warning: deprecated old font command `\sfb' used.
(scrbook)              You should note, that since 1994 LaTeX2e provides a
(scrbook)              new font selection scheme called NFSS2 with several
(scrbook)              new, combinable font commands. New KOMA-Script classes
(scrbook)              have defined the old font commands like `\sfb' only for
(scrbook)              compatibility with LaTeX 2.09 document styles of
(scrbook)              Script 2.0. These commands are deprecated and
@yo' ^^^^^^
 
yo'
@Johannes_B oh, really? :-)
 
@yo' I seem to have never spotted \sfb in the list of old font commands in the list in scrbook.cls.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B :)
 
 
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8:43 PM
@Johannes_B Possibly some version of LaTeX2.09 had it. I don't remember it in the old manuals.
 
@egreg If you can't remember it ... :-p
 
@Johannes_B But I was not a LaTeX2.09 user, just looked at it some times.
 
 
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10:15 PM
@Johannes_B -- please check your mail and get back to me. i'm sure you have something to say on the matter!
 
@barbarabeeton read it three times already. let me read it a few times more and i'll report back :-)
@barbarabeeton how was brunch?
 
@Johannes_B -- ah, okay! thanks. (it's been reformatted a bit, and a typo or two fixed, but nothing earth-shaking or even substantive.)
 
@barbarabeeton I read the tex file, didn't look at the output. :-)
 
@Johannes_B -- brunch was quite yummy, thank you -- crab cake benedict, added garlic spinach. then we went to see the 75th anniversary release, cleaned up, of "fantasia". much was as i remembered, a few things not. and, with lots of years of further "experience", i noticed a number of things that i never would have even in my 20s-30s. more tuned in now to geology, paleontology, cosmology -- the depiction of the "early earth" was guesswork then (1940), and their guesses weren't all that bad.
 
@barbarabeeton I have no idea what fantasia is. But garlic spinach sounds good. When your mail came in, i just prepared fried liver.
 
10:25 PM
@Johannes_B -- reading the tex file should be good enough. bad breaks were minimal, so no substantive rewriting needed. (although one new change in a url, omitting the "http://" for consistency with other references, may change that.)
 
@barbarabeeton i changed a bit in template confusion. Nothing serious and nothing relevant, but you might be interested: github.com/johannesbottcher/templateConfusion
 
@Johannes_B -- "fantasia" was/is a disney film first released in 1940, with animated visuals accompanying orchestral works performed by the philadelphia orchestra. a toccata and fugue by bach, dukas' "sorcerer's apprentice", beethoven's pastoral (6th) symphony, "night on bald mountain" by mussorgsky, a couple of others. i'm sure it's covered in wikipedia. some people like it, some don't. the concepts are hokey at times, but the animation is quite fine.
 
@barbarabeeton There will be an introduction to LaTeX tomorrow, the speaker didn't send me the presentation, so i'll be there to watch. ;-)
@barbarabeeton Gotta see it some time.
 
@Johannes_B -- will look. i considered pointing to it and to the template site, but finally decided against it, so what i've written is mainly a (politely phrased) polemic.
 
@barbarabeeton well, a github site doesn't really seem to be *referencable8 (if that word exists)
 
10:34 PM
@Johannes_B -- i'm sure @egreg wouldn't like it. either too "modern", or not performed in the traditional manner. (those may sound like they're the same, but in this case, they're very much not.)
@Johannes_B -- "referenceable" is a perfectly good word (as long as it's spelled correctly). and actually, that's one of the reasons i decided not to mention it.
 
@barbarabeeton One thing that will rise up: Profit. While the online compilers want users to do somthing, L-templates wants to get a bit of traffic to earn profits from advertising. And this will bite the project in the heels. --- but this is of course behind the current state.
 
@barbarabeeton Stokowski is not my favorite conductor. But I don't dislike the music (except, of course, for Stravinskij). Dukas and Čajkovskij are not really my cup of tea, but the animation is great. And, yes, I can bear Musorgskij (particularly the EL&P version of Pictures at an Exhibition).
 
@egreg -- "el&p" version? who/which is that? (i greatly prefer the piano original; i think ravel's orchestration ruined much of it. i've heard a different orchestration by a russian, whose name, unfortunately, i can't remember, which i thought much more true to the original. of extant piano recordings, i prefer horowitz, although i'm quite sure there's a lot of horowitz in there with the original mussorgsky. i keep pestering my favorite pianist to consider adding it to his repertoire.)
 
@barbarabeeton Emerson, Lake & Palmer
 
@egreg -- thanks. i'll look it up.
 
10:46 PM
Emerson, Lake & Palmer, also known as ELP, were an English progressive rock supergroup power trio formed in London in 1970. The group consisted of keyboardist Keith Emerson, singer and guitarist Greg Lake, and drummer and percussionist Carl Palmer. They were one of the most popular and commercially successful progressive rock bands in the 1970s. ELP's sound was dominated by the Hammond organ, Moog synthesizer, and piano of flamboyant virtuoso Emerson and heavily influenced by classical music as well as jazz and hard and symphonic rock. Lake ensured that each album contained at least one simple...
@barbarabeeton Sins of youth. ;-)
 
@Johannes_B -- ah, yes. profit. gotta eat. i've been fortunate that ams has supported, or at least countenanced, my off-hours activity in tug, while actually paying me to do work that involves tex and publishing. (also an understanding and patient spouse.) i'd be a miserable failure as an independent consultant.
@egreg -- forgiven. from that brief description, the concept sounds plausible. (i really like wendy carlos' "switched-on bach"; much more "authentic", i think, than stokowski's transcription of the toccata and fugue.)
 
@barbarabeeton Stokowski made several orchestrations of Bach works, none to my liking.
 
@barbarabeeton personally, i have contributed a bit much to L-templates without gaining annything :-(
@barbarabeeton github.com/VelNZ/mastersdoctoralthesislatex/issues/6 even though i am right now a member (somehow), i don't feel right about it.
 
11:10 PM
@egreg I must be dreaming, just pass by to see @egreg acknowledging 20th c. music.
@egreg @Johannes_B defined but commented out %\font\tensfb = cmssbx10 % bold sans serif
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm a secret admirer of Philip Glass, but don't tell @AlanMunn. ;-)
 
@egreg You think you are safe that the @ ping won't reach Alan?
 
11:31 PM
@DavidCarlisle I am stuck in the template matrix.
 
@Johannes_B we know
 
@DavidCarlisle I bet everybody knows and is annoyed by my rants.
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm sure he'll understand. ;-)
 
This inkscape export to tikz is giving me more headache then its worth
 
11:56 PM
shift={(5e-05,0)}
why on earth would it position at 0,000005 X... makes no sense
 

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