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12:03 AM
!!/battle
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 0 vs. 0 David. So far, nobody is winning today.
@David: It's official: you won the battle yesterday. :)
 
@PauloCereda of course:-)
 
 
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2:22 AM
@PauloCereda Looks a little bit like your Fubá:
 
 
3 hours later…
6:13 AM
@percusse What manual? pgf/tikz?
 
kan
6:37 AM
@PeterGrill Can you please tell me how I'd draw an arrow between two nodes but of different sizes, so that the arrow is still straight?
For instance, in the following example, the rightmost arrow going down seems problematic:
\documentclass{amsart}
\usepackage{amsmath}
%\usepackage[all]{xy}
\usepackage{tikz}
\begin{document}
  \[
  \begin{tikzpicture}[xscale=3,yscale=-1.4, inner sep = 0.2cm]
    \node (A0_0) at (0, 0) {$A^l[T]$};
    \node (A0_1) at (1, 0) {$A^{l+1}[T]$};
    \node (A1_0) at (0, 1) {$(A^l)_{\pi_{l+1}}[T]$};
    \node (A1_1) at (1, 1) {$(A^{l+1})_{\pi_{l+1}}[T]$};
    \path (A0_0) edge [->]node [auto] {$\scriptstyle{}$} (A0_1);
    \path (A0_0) edge [->]node [auto] {$\scriptstyle{}$} (A1_0);
    \path (A0_1) edge [->]node [auto] {$\scriptstyle{}$} (A1_1);
Not a MWE, but small enough surely. :) @PeterGrill
@Qrrbrbirlbel You could help me too ^^. :)
 
@kan Oh, would you look at the time? swoosh
 
kan
@Qrrbrbirlbel Hm, I am sorry, if its too late for you. I don't know where you come from, too... I apologise.
 
@kan All arrow tips are the same size. I smell a rendering/viewer issue.
 
kan
@Qrrbrbirlbel I mean the right end arrow seems to be blurred while the others are all dark.
 
@kan Putting TikZ pictures in displayed math seems silly (though apparently CDs are equations?). You could simply use the center environment. (Or \newenvironment{tikz-cd}{\center\tikzpicture}{\endtikzpicture\endcenter})
@kan Looks good to me (see above).
 
kan
6:51 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Oh, OK then!
@Qrrbrbirlbel What is a CD?
 
@kan Commutative diagrams? Those matrix-arrows-math stuff?
 
kan
Hey man! Let me not keep you! I have some questions I'll reserve them for you later.
@Qrrbrbirlbel Oh, I figured, but then, "Commutative diagrams are equations" refused to make sense. :)
Yes, it is a CD.
 
@kan Well, I don’t know what they are, but I often see them in equation environments (or \[ \]) and they are always typeset in math-mode, so I figured.
 
@TorbjørnT. thanks a lot, besides a question: what is your favorite font set for your PhD thesis if you would write it now?
 
@kan You might be interested in the real deal, the tikz-cd package. It combines TikZ and the xy syntax for CDs. It also typesets everything by default in math-mode and probably applies`\scriptstyle` for edge labels, too.
 
kan
6:56 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Hah! Sounds cool! Let me see if I can learn that!
Then, I can post some answers too...
 
@user4035 yes
 
@kan Well, have fun. I’m logging out for now.
 
7:09 AM
Hello.
I'm getting an error compiling the following code:
\documentclass{article}


\title{Google Matrix, PageRank and HITS}
\author{F, Z}

\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{booktabs}
\usepackage{lipsum}


\begin{document}
...
\end{document}
 
@Gigili I don't
 
The title and authors are not displayed in the output pdf text, why?
@percusse You don't what?
 
@Gigili get an error
You need \maketitle too for the author and the title
 
Oh yes, sorry. Not an error, I mean a literal error.
@percusse Could you elaborate?
@percusse OK, that worked. Thank you.
 
kan
7:36 AM
Can someone help me here...
 
hey @kan, @Gigili. long time.
 
kan
Indeed!!
@anon How do you do?
 
I'm using the code $$\small{\sf TL}_n(x,y) \cong \frac{{\bf R}(x,y)\langle 1,e_1,\cdots,e_n\rangle}{\langle \rm S1,S2,S3\rangle}$$. Unfortunately the only thing that actually becomes \small is the \cong symbol, but I need the entire equation to become small. Any quick fix?
@kan rushed with lots of work. last days in the semester and all. presentations, exams, work, papers to read, independent research, yadda yadda
 
kan
@anon Wow, that's quite a lot! And, I am really glad to see independent research given you started your undergrad just now...
@anon Firstly, ALWAYS use \[...\] instead of $$...$$.
 
oh?
 
kan
7:43 AM
135
Q: Why is \[ ... \] preferable to $$?

Ben AlpertI've heard that you should use \[ ... \] for displayed equations instead of $$ ... $$, but why is that? I'd assumed that it's so that you can more easily tell which are starting and which are ending delimiters, but if I always use a syntax-highlighting text editor, I can see that easily based o...

Oh, and about the equation:
6
Q: Reducing font size in equation

sheet_ethicsI wanted to type an equation in LaTeX. But it is too long to fit into one line. It involves big arrays with many columns so I cannot split it. I wanted to reduce the font size so that it can fit in one line. However, \small doesn't work in the equation environment.

^^@anon That should answer your question... :)
 
bah. I have to learn stuff!
anyway, thanks.
 
kan
@anon OK, add \scriptstyle for a quickfix...
\scriptscriptstyle for even smaller font size...
 
yes, that's the idea :)
 
kan
Or put the whole thing in a \scalebox{0.5}{equationstuff}....
 
I am more worried about content at the moment.
 
kan
7:52 AM
Yeah, once done, drop by on chat, ask all sortsa question...
 
8:24 AM
@kan but not that:-)
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle bnot that -> better not that?
 
@anon You can also put \small before the equation {\small xxxx \[a=b\]zzz\par} makes a small equation (but it is best to make the surrounding text small as well otherwise tricky to get spacing correct above/below the equation
@kan sorry typo:-)
@kan scaling text is evil
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I see.
 
kan
8:41 AM
@DavidCarlisle Can you tell me why:
\makeatletter
\let\@oddfoot\relax
\def\@oddfoot\empty
\makeatother
does not work where \@oddfoot is defined as:
\def\@oddfoot{\footnotesize\itshape
       Preprint submitted to \ifx\@journal\@empty Elsevier
       \else\@journal\fi\hfill\today}%
     \let\@evenfoot\@oddfoot}
(Yeah, the nasty elsevier...)
 
@kan Well I started with bitmap fonts and if you scale those it's unreadable, but even with scalable fonts it's better to have a small number of of consistent font sizes \normalsiize \small \large etc and use those rather than arbitrarily scale each expression or table to fit which means you have no consistent design at all.
\def\@oddfoot\empty is a syntax error, \def requires {}
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Ooh! Makes sense, actually!
@DavidCarlisle So, I'd say: \def\@oddfoot{\empty}?
 
@kan \def\@oddfoot{} or \let\@oddfoot\@empty
 
@kan also you are defining \@oddfoot twice, presumably one of them was supposed to be \@evenfoot
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle oops, no, am I?
 
8:53 AM
\let\@oddfoot\relax
\def\@oddfoot\empty
 
kan
@egreg The \let is not working, I just tried... The other one... (BTW, this is a snippet from elsarticle: cdn.elsevier.com/assets/file/0007/109357/elsarticle.cls)
 
@kan well yes if you fix the second line to look more like the first line it will be identical to the first line and define \@oddfoot twice
@kan Normally \@oddfoot is set by the pagestyle set reset multiple times in the document so a setting in the preamble is likely to be overridden you are supposed to use eg \pagestyle{empty}
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle But, I am doing this with elsart... so, how do I get rid of the Preprint Submitted to Elsevier part... this is defined in \@oddfoot.
 
@kan as I supected the code is part pf the definition of \ps@pprintTitle so it doesn't get used until \thispagestyle{pprintTitle}
 
kan
(I mean: this does not look wise to set the \pagestyle to empty...)
 
8:58 AM
@kan you don't have to use empty, just don't use the pprintTitle page style (or redefine it)
@kan The point is, there is no point defining \@oddfoot in the preamble if \maketitle does \thispagestyle{anything} as the pagestyle redefines it.
@kan just use \let\ps@pprintTitle\ps@plain so when \maketitle calls that pagestyle you get the plain one instead
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Hah! Thanks so much for that!
So, \ps@pprintstyle should be interpreted as "the pagestyle variable pprintTitle"
@DavidCarlisle I have another doubt:
the class file says:
  \def\pprinttitle{}
 
@kan yes \pagestyle{zzz} just executes \ps@zzz
 
kan
I am lost how you figured out what you did....
 
:9069862lost about \let\ps@pprintTitle\ps@plain ?
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle oh, actually, not about that...
The glitch is deleted now, so, never mind. But, there is a curiousity.
First there is \def\pprinttitle{}
After a few lines there is:
 
9:09 AM
@kan That doesn't appear to be used anywhere,
 
kan
\long\def\pprinttitle{
longish list of things
}
 
@kan not in the version I have
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Sorry messed that up...
No problem at all!
@DavidCarlisle Sorry for the later confusion...
@David Could you please help me with how one would add a dedication in an elsart class...
 
@kan as part of the title block?
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, perhaps just after the address clutter... ?
 
9:16 AM
well \maketitle doesn't force a page break so can't you just go \begin{quote}.... after \maketitle` ?
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle I'll try...
@DavidCarlisle But, then, this comes after the abstract... Is it possible to put it before the abstract... All the abstract, keywords, address clutter is in an environment called frontmatter...
 
\long\def\pprintMaketitle{\clearpage
\iflongmktitle\if@twocolumn\let\columnwidth=\textwidth\fi\fi
\resetTitleCounters
\def\baselinestretch{1}%
\printFirstPageNotes
\begin{center}%
\thispagestyle{pprintTitle}%
\def\baselinestretch{1}%
\Large\@title\par\vskip18pt
\normalsize\elsauthors\par\vskip10pt
\footnotesize\itshape\elsaddress\par\vskip36pt
\hrule\vskip12pt
\ifvoid\absbox\else\unvbox\absbox\par\vskip10pt\fi
\ifvoid\keybox\else\unvbox\keybox\par\vskip10pt\fi
\hrule\vskip12pt
\end{center}%
\gdef\thefootnote{\arabic{footnote}}%
just stick the dedication after the hrule and before the \absbox line
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle So, I basically redefine this in my preamble like:
 
kan
long\def\pprintMaketitle{\clearpage
\iflongmktitle\if@twocolumn\let\columnwidth=\textwidth\fi\fi
\resetTitleCounters
\def\baselinestretch{1}%
\printFirstPageNotes
\begin{center}%
\thispagestyle{pprintTitle}%
\def\baselinestretch{1}%
\Large\@title\par\vskip18pt
\normalsize\elsauthors\par\vskip10pt
\footnotesize\itshape\elsaddress\par\vskip36pt
\hrule\vskip12pt
\begin{quote}
\begin{center}
{\em Dedicated to soandso}
\end{center}
\end{quote}
\ifvoid\absbox\else\unvbox\absbox\par\vskip10pt\fi
\ifvoid\keybox\else\unvbox\keybox\par\vskip10pt\fi
 
9:26 AM
@Toscho for technocrats, for people lacking any typographic sensitivity, or for anyone who can't deal with the fact that the upper- and lower-case Roman alphabets are two different things in their own rights and with their own logics -- it might be good to include that as an option. However, into my texts, that blown-up version of a lower-case ligature will find its way only over my dead body. //:-=(Nils L 1 hour ago
Strong words here on tex.sx
 
@tohecz I was thinking about setting up an area on my website where people could order books directly from me at a discounted rate, but I'm a bit wary about the whole security thing. The book's quite light, so they ought not to charge too much. What country are you in? (Sorry, I've forgotten.)
 
@topskip I've seen "uppercase ß" in some fonts: it's something I would like to see no more.
 
@egreg +1
 
@TorbjørnT. @doctorate serif font: \usepackage[math]{anttor}, sans-serif font: \usepackage{libris} monospaced (typewriter) font: \renewcommand*{\ttdefault}{txtt}
 
@egreg you'l presumably see more since it's added to Unicode at 5.1 :-) U+1E9E ẞẞẞẞẞẞẞẞẞẞ
 
9:38 AM
\documentclass{article}


\title{Google Matrix, PageRank and HITS}
\author{Gigili}

\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{booktabs}
\usepackage{lipsum}


\begin{document}

 \textbf {Why is Google results different from other search engines?}

\vspace{5 mm}

The web is:
\begin{itemize}
\item Huge ($10^{10} - 10^{11}$ pages on surface; many more in the deep web)
\item Dynamic ($40\%$ changes within a week)
\item Self organized (no central administration)
\item Hyperlinked (linkanalysis can be used to find a relevant item)
Could anyone please help me out?
 
@DavidCarlisle I stick to Unicode 5.0 :)
 
In the above code, figures are illustrated quite ugly.
What can I do about it?
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle It works! Thank you!! I have also learnt to understand the code! (Actually, I wated it elsewhere, but your pointer really helped a lot!)
 
@topskip but how will you cope without Unicode 6.0 and U+1F4A9 ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Is that the upper case variant of the upper case ß? ;-)
 
9:40 AM
Umm, no one?
 
@topskip well you could implement it as such in your lua code and see if anyone complains
 
@DavidCarlisle lol! That's a good idea: If anyone requests \MakeUppercase{ß} I'll use U+1F4A9.
 
@Gigili that isn't a very specific question
 
I used the method in this question but the result is different.
 
I don't like the Apple variant of it:
 
9:44 AM
@topskip oh that spoils it, anyway who'd want to fix eyes on to poo:-)
3
 
I want to place the two figures side by side.
 
@Gigili Minipage? Subfloat?
 
subfigure
 
@Gigili It's best to avoid explicitly using \vspace and \\ like that. If you want vertical space between paragraphs it's best to set it globally (for example, using koma's parskip=full class option). It's also better to use sectioning commands instead of \textbf.
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I just had to star that!
 
@NicolaTalbot Great to know, thank you.
 
9:47 AM
@DavidCarlisle Unicode doesn't prescribe the glyph's shape. There must be a code point for an uppercase version, but font designers are free to use whatever shape they like. Just "SS", hopefully.
 
@topskip Is this the Windows version?
 
@MarcoDaniel It's the logo for Windows 8
(SCNR)
 
@topskip :-)
 
It's the Mac OS X font "Color Emoji" (or similar)
 
why `
\vspace{3 mm}
2) HITS thesis` and not an enumerate? also never do this `words:
\\
` latex will just complain and the result is horrible, you shouldn't really ever need to use `\\ `in text (and definitely never at the end of a paragraph) don't use `[h!]` as the figure option, that prevents float page figures, so increases the chance that the float goes to the end of the document don't use explicit font changes like `textbf{Authorities}: ` use a subsection command or a description list
@egreg I think only cork/EC fonts had the idea of uppercase being SS I think all Unicode" fonts will put some stretched version of the lowercase glyph at that slot
 
9:51 AM
@Gigili I forgot to add, if you want all your sections unnumbered, you can switch off the numbering using \setcounter{secnumdepth}{-1} in the preamble, then you don't need to add a star after \section etc
 
If you use a KOMA-class the command \addsec will be useful too.
 
@MarcoDaniel Is that used to get back in sync with the atomic clock?
 
@DavidCarlisle \usepackage{newunicodechar}\newunicodechar{ẞ}{SS}
Or, even better, \newunicodechar{^^^^^1F4A9}{SS} so the dreaded symbol is not seen.
 
@NicolaTalbot Thanks, I learned a lot. Could you help about the main problem?
 
@Gigili Did you mean side by side figures or sub-figures ?
 
9:59 AM
@NicolaTalbot The latter
Like this:
 
@Gigili have you tried the 'subfig' package?
 
@Speravir awww <3
 
@Gigili You can use the subcaption package as described at dickimaw-books.com/latex/novices/html/subfloats.html
Hello @Paulo :-)
 
Hi @Nicola! :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm going to a seminar on ebook publishing this afternoon. My next book is going to be an ebook short story :-)
(Magdalene is painting an excellent cover picture!)
 
10:07 AM
@NicolaTalbot How nice! :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm afraid it doesn't have any ducks or ice cream in it.
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh no! Hopefully, there's a hat. :)
 
@NicolaTalbot an answer from the author, how fortunate am I. Ja, I found it later in your book on p137, the first time I didn't like the font, but then I fell in love with it. Now I am struggling to dare put that font in my PhD or you may suggest to me something more suitable for PhD theses. One sure thing for me is that you have an elegant taste for fonts :)
 
@PauloCereda It's set in 1928, so everyone's wearing a hat :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot, @topskip: I have, or at least I think so. I'll double check if I've done it correctly.
 
10:20 AM
@doctorate Thanks :-) I'm not sure I'd use it in a thesis. I think it's a lovely font, but I'd only use it for a reference book rather than one that has to be read from cover to cover. Have you tried mathpazo? I quite like that one as well.
 
@NicolaTalbot Theses are not meant to be read :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot We're all dying of curiosity, Nicola; tell us what the font is!
 
@NicolaTalbot no, how to setup this font in the preamble?
 
@Brent.Longborough anttor, libris and txtt
@doctorate There's an example of usage at tug.dk/FontCatalogue/palatino
 
@NicolaTalbot I was directed to a font \usepackages{cmbright} for a thesis, I found it nice, but I will compare it with the one you referred to right now, thanks.
 
10:24 AM
@NicolaTalbot Yay!
 
@PauloCereda: What do you think about an extra documentation about IDE integration?
The list becomes longer and longer
 
@MarcoDaniel You mean a separate document? I prefer only one doc. :)
 
@NicolaTalbot Hmm, eclectic... Of course it's a matter of opinion, but I find anttor quite hard going for a long read.
 
@doctorate kmath,kerkis is another combination I like.
 
We can move the IDE integration to a new \part, if it sounds better.
 
10:27 AM
@PauloCereda it does ;-)
 
@Brent.Longborough Yes, I only use it for reference books. I wouldn't use it for a novel.
 
@Brent.Longborough This sentence remind me of the first episode of Frasier. :)
 
@NicolaTalbot Right. I must try it myself sometime. But at the moment I'm hopelessly in love with Minion Pro
 
I use arev for children's books. I think I'll probably use libertine for novels.
 
Frasier: Yes, we Crane boys sure know how to marry. [goes to the
         kitchen] Let me get you a beer, Dad.  So, ah, what do you
         think of what I've done with the place, eh? [returns and
         sits on the couch, handing a beer to Martin] You know, every
         item here was carefully selected.  This lamp by Corbusier,
         the chair by Eames, and this couch is an exact replica of
         the one Coco Chanel had in her Paris atelier.
 Martin: Nothing matches.
Frasier: Well, it's a, it's a style of decorating, it's called
 
10:30 AM
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@PauloCereda :-) (plagiarised from @NicolaTalbot)
 
@PauloCereda I'm listening to Allegri's Miserere.
 
@Nicola, @Brent: Release the lawyers. :)
 
@Brent.Longborough :-) (attack of the smilies)
 
@egreg ooh how nice! :)
 
10:32 AM
@NicolaTalbot What's your "process" for choosing a font?
 
@egreg: I'm thinking of writing it in Lilypond, but I'm not sure I'll be able to make it. :)
 
@Brent.Longborough Mine is shouting : Wow!
By the way thanks to your Google fonts file I'm ultra-confused
 
@PauloCereda One of my greatest triumphs was transcribing Purcell's Fantasia (In Nomine) of 7 Parts into Lilypond and generating a midi as well! LOL Simple pleasures...
 
@Brent.Longborough I'd go with a stochastic approach: write the name of all fonts in pieces of papers and throw them in the air. The ones that fall over the table are kept, the ones that fall in the ground are removed from the pack. The step is then repeated until only a few pieces of paper are left. Lazy Montecarlo attack for the win. :)
@Brent.Longborough Wow! Are you serious?
@percusse Make it two. :)
 
@Brent.Longborough Nothing fancy. I start by looking through the serif font section of the font catalogue. If my book needs monospaced and sans-serif, I try to find a serif font I like that can be matched with monospaced and sans-serif fonts I like. If I need maths as well, then I need to take that into account.
 
10:36 AM
@percusse Mee too :-) I came to the conclusion that as less than one percent was usable for serious typography, I wasn't losing much by simply abandoning them all.
 
I think our new project should be a duck font, since there's already a cow one.
 
@Brent.Longborough For children's books, the font needs to be easy to read, but I only need to worry about serif or sans-serif. I then get a number of font samples and ask parents of small children to vote on them.
 
@NicolaTalbot How nice!
 
@PauloCereda Definitely :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Seems like a good approach. I tend to favour features - small caps, good foreign language support.
 
10:38 AM
What the hell... Latex formatting is so tiresome
 
@PauloCereda It was a close run between arev and libris.
 
Now the figure which is supposed to be at the end jumps up to other sections
 
@Gigili That's what Michelangelo said about the Sistine Chapel...
4
 
@Brent.Longborough I think it all depends on the type of book and the potential reader.
 
@anon: Hey, sorry I didn't notice your greetings until now.
Enough for today! Thank you for your help @NicolaTalbot.
 
10:40 AM
@Gigili It's best not to insist on a particular location for a float. Just use the [htbp] option and concentrate on the text.
 
@Gigili Judging from your MWE above, you are using it like you use MS Word. The idea is to fix a structure and then populate the content. There are some pecularities too but not that dramatic. Start reading this opus for example very slowly it's a good read.
155
A: How to influence the position of float environments like figure and table in LaTeX?

Frank MittelbachTo answer this question one has to first understand the basic rules that govern LaTeX's standard placement of floats. Once these are understood, adjustments can be made, for example, by modifying float parameters, or by adding certain packages that modify or extend the basic functionality. LaTe...

 
@Gigili That's okay :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Minion Pro > Palatino > cmbright > Kerkis, so IMAHO Minion Pro wins!, I wonder how can you setup this font in latex?
 
Where's Joseph? Our current avatar display has a cat and a lion. We could have a duck too. :)
 
@PauloCereda Here:
 
10:45 AM
@doctorate There's a minionpro package. I haven't used it, but I expect that should set everything up for you.
 
@PauloCereda We really need a unicorn
 
@Gigili try usepackage{float} in preamble, then \begin {figure}[H]
 
@Brent.Longborough Amazing! :)
@Brent.Longborough LOL
 
@PauloCereda Took me a day
 
10:46 AM
I'm listening to a piano review in German. The guy sounds really angry.
 
@kan I like that one (when viewed in okular), but firefox's pdf previewer renders it very badly, so I wouldn't use it for web pdfs.
 
@egreg And I to Monteverdi's Vespro della Beata Vergine
 
kan
@NicolaTalbot Hah, I see!! :) I should set it up once and get a minimal document that has all the features of that linked document... ? :)
Thanks for your suggestion
 
@kan It's a Garamond, I think
 
kan
@Brent.Longborough And it is. :)
 
10:52 AM
@kan This is how it appears when viewed in firefox:
 
kan
@NicolaTalbot Wee
What's that?! :(
 Colophon
This thesis is typeset with LATEX2". The font used for the text is URW Garamond Adobe Type-1
font, based on the design of Claude Garamond (1499-1561). The italic fonts were designed by
Robert Granjon (1530-1589). The figures are typeset using TikZ.
Information on how to download the (free) font package is located at this site: http://
www.ctan.org/pkg/urw-garamond. Further information about the URW Garamond font can be
found here: tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/fonts/mathdesign/MD-urw-garamond-doc.
@Brent.Longborough ^^ :)
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh dear, I think your Firefox PDF rendering is in intensive care. Here's how mine looks:
 
@NicolaTalbot I am an example of someone who was converted to LaTeX, and started by first book "LaTeX for complete novices", I am on p176 now, but already generated two reports with latex. Very informative book
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@Brent.Longborough One of my favorite pieces of music.
 
@doctorate Thanks. That's great. :-)
 
10:56 AM
@kan I think that font is really nice but if you are studying that you'll find in time that it's very difficult to read back and forth because math is not distinctive and you get a headache very easily.
 
@egreg Best heard in a large church with (at least) two choirs
 
@Brent.Longborough St. Mark's Basilica in Venice?
 
@Brent.Longborough Yes, I agree. Unfortunately adobe reader doesn't work well (or at all) with 64bit linux, so I'm limited in my pdf viewing choices. I might just switch my firefox preferences to download pdfs rather than view them in the browser.
@Brent.Longborough That's much better :-)
 
@Brent.Longborough We should organize a performance there.
 
@kan I meant any text regardless of subject.
My eyes have hard time to find the symbols and distinguish from the regular text
 
10:59 AM
@egreg Where? I'm in Istanbul at the moment, doesn't quite fit...
 
I guess we also have an inherent \mmode
@Brent.Longborough You can have it in Taksim :)
 
@percusse Not the right echo
@percusse Really, the only place to perform it is in St. Mark's, Venice
@egreg Opps, yes!
 
@Brent.Longborough Actually I used to go to the one next to the norwegian embassy. It was really nice but probably there are superior ones.
@Brent.Longborough I can imagine :-)
I was trying to convince a priest to teach me Latin but didn't work out heheh
 
Excuse me is there a general agreement about thesis font: should distinguish maths from other text, inter line space comfortable for readers to comment, easy readability, and aesthetically acceptable. Which font would win in this case?
 
@egreg Maybe we follow it with Un re in ascolto
 
kan
11:06 AM
 
@doctorate I wonder how important is the interline spacing, as you can always adjust it "from outside the font"
 
kan
Can someone help me rescue this ugly creature?
 
@kan bracelet gift for the significant other?
 
@kan Aha! A commutative necklace!
 
kan
It is supposed to come out like a garland of squares, but this is now like tattered bits of ...
@percusse :) Brent wins! :)
 
11:08 AM
@Brent.Longborough that's true, I meant to keep this as a criteria for a Thesis readability, but what do you think other factors might be missed?
 
@kan As usual ...
 
kan
Can I post the code somewhere?
 
@doctorate I haven't written a thesis in a very long time (mine was written on a wireless telex), but I guess what I'd do today would be write (most of) the thesis first and then try a bunch of different fonts...
 
kan
@Brent.Longborough may be print the thesis with three different fonts. hand it out to three different people. The font corresponding to one who is annoyed the most with reading is obviously eliminated. And so on...
 
@Brent.Longborough in few keywords, if u were given the change to write a new PhD, what are the things that you won't miss definitely at the very beginning of writing it?
@kan wise thing to do.
 
11:14 AM
@doctorate Doing a PhD probably
 
@doctorate Sorry, no idea today :-)
@People catch you all a bit later - it's lunchtime :-)
 
11:32 AM
Go to get ready to go out to a publishing seminar. Bye.
 
11:50 AM
hi guys, any search expert around? I think (might be mistaken) that I answered a question some time ago in which i offered some code to detect the current column in multicols, but I can't find it any more
 
@FrankMittelbach Working on it. :)
 
@PauloCereda great ... thought it was something that could detect if it is the left or the right most column or one of the middle ones ... might be dreaming though
 
@FrankMittelbach I failed to find it. :(
 
@PauloCereda maybe I was dreaming, but it is strange
 
@FrankMittelbach You wrote an extension for multicols, that's the closest I could find: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/57732/…
 
12:01 PM
@PauloCereda just found that one as well, but it isn't the one I was thinking off, anyway ..., thanks for trying
 
@FrankMittelbach My search-fu is rusty. :)
 
12:39 PM
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Q: How to pimp my tube?

JosefHow can i pimp my tube? \documentclass{scrartcl} % needs logicpuzzle bundle v1.8 % http://mirrors.ctan.org/graphics/pgf/contrib/logicpuzzle/logicpuzzle.sty % or replace logicpuzzle -> battleship \usepackage{logicpuzzle} \makeatletter \definecolor{LPlgrey}{rgb}{.8,.8,.8} \definecolor{LPtgrey}{r...

LOL
 
@FrankMittelbach Are you sure that you write the answer at TeX.SX? You know: 3*17 ;-)
 
@FrankMittelbach I haven’t looked at the question/answer but maybe?
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Q: Placing figures inside a two-column document

Zom-BI'm trying to get images in my document in two different ways: On top of the entire page, centered On top of a single column I tried it with both twocols and multicols. I ruled out twocols because it forces a new page every time you turn it on, because I need the abstract to be wide and the r...

 
Das Ente ist ein Vogel.
 
@PauloCereda Nearly ;-)
 
@PauloCereda :) s,Das,Die,
 
12:46 PM
@topskip Too complicated for me. :)
 
@PauloCereda A duck is a noun, female so "die" ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Die, Ente, Die! Oh no!
You wanna kill my Ente. :)
 
@PauloCereda We some other words: A gift -- In English it's something positive. In German you have the word Gift too, but it means poison.
 
@MarcoDaniel ooh!
 
poison not Poisson ;-)
@PauloCereda That's the reason why I don't want any gifts from my wife ;-)
@PauloCereda: a new arara-user: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/109711/…
 
12:54 PM
@doctorate Well, I'm using TeX Gyre Pagella as the main font for my master thesis that I'm writing now, but I haven't given much thought to sans serif and monospaced fonts yet.
@NicolaTalbot Thanks. By the way, when I tried to compile the source of your book, it stalled because of an absolute path to an image in the file texworks5-annote.tex. (line 7 in that file I think) When I changed it to a relative path (i.e. pictures/<filename>), it worked fine.
 
@MarcoDaniel ooh!
 
What symbol produces the dot at the beginning of items in an itemize environment?
 
@FaheemMitha I think it's a \bullet. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh. Thanks.
 
@FaheemMitha I'm not sure though. :) I'll try to find out. :)
 
1:08 PM
@PauloCereda \textbullet
 
@egreg Oopsie, I was close. :)
 
@egreg Yes, that looks right.
Is it worth asking as a question on the site? I get 130 hits for textbullet.
BTW, enumitem is what one uses to customize enumerate, right?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes. As for a \textbullet question, the reaction would inevitably be "Duplicate of How to look up a symbol"
 
@egreg Well, I just looked at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/14/how-to-look-up-a-symbol but it basically says "search for it", or try an app that guesses.
 
@FaheemMitha You find the name in table 2 of the Comprehensive List of Symbols.
Table 2: Predefined LaTeX2e Text-mode Commands, page 9 (section 2). So it's not that hidden.
 
1:25 PM
@TorbjørnT. how is it different from Palatino? also did you check the adobe font called "Minion Pro"?
 
@egreg Ok, thanks.
 
1:58 PM
@doctorate It's a variation of Palatino, so very small differences I think. Minion Pro is quite nice, but really expensive.
 
@TorbjørnT. aha, I thought that it is free as in no cost, kobi.nat.uni-magdeburg.de/patrick/…
 
I don't suppose anyone had got a picture of a sun-3 running sunview have they? wikipedia has a picture but the machine is turned off:-0
 
@DavidCarlisle I remember having used some kind of previewer on a VT220 terminal with "advanced" graphics capabilities; but I could use OzTeX on my Mac or Xdvi on the HP/UX workstation, so that was only an experiment. Never had a Sun workstation at my disposal.
 
@DavidCarlisle I remember seeing a Sun Sparc in the lab one day. :)
 
@doctorate If I've understood (and remember) correctly, there's a LaTeX package for using Minion Pro that is free, but the font files themselves are not free.
 
2:21 PM
You lucky bas... ehm, guy. ;-) — egreg 25 mins ago
@DavidCarlisle, @egreg: you guys are awesome. :)
 
@PauloCereda sparc: ooh that's very modern sun3's were motorola
@egreg when I came back to Manchester in 87 The cs department had just acquired what was then the largest collection of suns in Europe, so I had one on my desk from the start:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh! :)
 
@PauloCereda just found this 1988 thesis, not quite the setup I had but it shows emacs source synchronised with selections in the dvi preview even back then
 
@DavidCarlisle OMG
 
2:38 PM
@David: did you have Vim in your machine back then?
:)
 
@PauloCereda alias vi=emacs
 
@egreg That's dirty. :)
 
@PauloCereda we had vi (but everyone said to use emacs) and emacs had a vim mode (but it was too weird to use). Of course as one grows older one loses those early prejudices and becomes more tolerant of other systems.
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@percusse To not hijack Gonzalo’s answers: Apparently my understanding of a normalized vector is different. I thought the resulting normalized vector is the given vector with the length 1 (in the current cs). TikZ does exactly that with (<angle>:1) even if x=(2,1) and y=(5,2)
 
3:02 PM
@egreg This seems in order... :)
 
@Werner Did I say "don't use \ensuremath" sometimes? ;-)
 
I am lost between the many indexing advices, any help for someone would start writing a thesis
 
@egreg Yes you did. I didn't listen. I also said that the pastures are always greener on @egreg's side. I should listen more often... ;)
 
3:38 PM
[enrico2013] ~ > pdftex --version
pdfTeX 3.1415926-2.5-1.40.14 (TeX Live 2013)
kpathsea version 6.1.1
Copyright 2013 Peter Breitenlohner (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and
the Lesser GNU General Public License.
For more information about these matters, see the file
named COPYING and the pdfTeX source.
Primary author of pdfTeX: Peter Breitenlohner (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
Compiled with libpng 1.6.1; using libpng 1.6.1
 
woohoo!
 
[enrico2013] ~ > xetex --version
XeTeX 3.1415926-2.5-0.9999.2-2013041118 (TeX Live 2013)
kpathsea version 6.1.1
Copyright 2013 SIL International and Jonathan Kew.
There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
covered by the terms of both the XeTeX copyright and
the Lesser GNU General Public License.
For more information about these matters, see the file
named COPYING and the XeTeX source.
Primary author of XeTeX: Jonathan Kew.
Compiled with ICU version 51.1; using 51.1
Compiled with zlib version 1.2.7; using 1.2.7
 
woohoo!
 
@PauloCereda Loooong download of the MacTeX pretest distribution. Now let's see whether everything works. Note that songs is here.
\ProvidesPackage{songs}
  [2012/03/17 v2.14 Songs package]
 
@egreg Cool! :)
I'll wait for the stable announcement. :)
 
3:41 PM
@PauloCereda I've left the download run for the whole night and it ended less than one hour ago. Installing it was a couple of minutes.
 
@egreg Wow.
 
@egreg Was there an announcement that testing could start?
 
@JosephWright No.
 
@NicolaTalbot I'm in Czech Rep., or occasionally France if that's better ;)
 
@PauloCereda if you go round downvoting people's answers you'll never end up being a billionaire businessman like the author of that thesis en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pehong_Chen
 
4:25 PM
@TorbjørnT. I'm sorry, I forgot to set it to use a relative path when the file was exported.
 
@NicolaTalbot No problem, it was easy enough to figure out. Just thought I'd mention it.
 
@NicolaTalbot based on your experience, and after I read your book, what would be the best way to do indexing, I am writing the thesis, but do I need now to mark the keywords on-the-go, but then how can I tell that this word I have already marked it with \index or not?
 
@TorbjørnT. Thanks :-)
 
i mean when you write some something, often same word would be repeated, but by that time you already forgot if you have tagged it with \index or not. so how can you at best address this issue?
 
@doctorate Do you mean you only want it indexed on the first use?
 
4:34 PM
yeah, exactly.
 
@MarcoDaniel no not sure but it is the most logical place really and in some sense I see it in front of me ... anyway doesn't seem to be there so perhaps your explanation is the correct one :-)
 
@tohecz Since they're both in the EU the postage should be the same. According to the Royal Mail price finder, it would cost £3.50 to post it via airmail from the UK, so I don't know why Amazon wants to charge more than the cost of the book. (They've also added an extra £1 to the rrp of my other children's book, which means that they'll get 3 times the combined amount that my illustrator and I get per book!)
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel I got that part. But maybe I'm visualizing the wrong thing. Take xy plane and rotate around y. Then the unit vector x would shrink down depending on how much it is rotated. If we draw still a vector with length one it would be larger than one magnitude. So that's what I tried to ask Daniel. Otherwise Gonzalo's answer pretty much covers the 1cm case. If there is no cm then it draws a line to the end point.
 
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