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David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:07 AM
@PeterGrill I don't think there is any universal definition for a single arrow (and I'm not sure I can guess your meaning) I'd normally use it in functiion settings. => is often used for implication, an d`<=>` is often used for iff, but I don't think any use of an arrow is universely understood without some context or local definition
 
Peter Grill
Peter Grill
@DavidCarlisle Ok. I was just trying to be careful to distinguish the two cases.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PeterGrill being careful is OK but I didn't understand the cases:-)
 
Peter Grill
Peter Grill
@DavidCarlisle Let me think of a better example then.. Will get back to you...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
So who's going to answer Frank?
 
mafp
mafp
@egreg But following old traditions on the blackboard, $\implies$ is a poor mans form of $\mathbb{\to}$, right?!
 
egreg
egreg
12:21 AM
@mafp No.
 
mafp
mafp
@egreg It was a joke, you know ...
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle TeX gives the same result provided the same font metric files are available. With (Xe|Lua)TeX it's a similar situation, but probably complicated by the fact that there's no guarantee that the same OTF font will give the same metrics on different machines.
Either LuaTeX implements its own font management library, or it has to delegate the task to the machine's libraries.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:39 AM
@egreg yes but that's replying to me not to Frank:-)
@egreg but since TeX only exposes exact integer arithmetic if you archive the tex and tfm inputs to a document you are pretty well guaranteed to get the same result forever on the saved document. Once you start delegating to system libraries you need to archive the entire system, If the option is not using the fonts required for your language, it may be a price you have to pay but for many traditional tex publishing roles, it is a high price.
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
1:30 AM
@egreg @JosephWright I would "Never mind them." :)
@PeterGrill Until some rogue DNS server shows up, and then you're in deep sh*t. :)
 
Peter Grill
Peter Grill
@AlanMunn Huh?? Sorry, not understanding the reference, or was that intended for someone else?
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@PeterGrill You said we should all be issued IP addresses at birth!
 
Peter Grill
Peter Grill
@AlanMunn :-) Oh yeah, forgot about that comment? The IP address would just the userid...
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@PeterGrill Right, but DNS servers give out IP addresses and when you have two on the same network dishing out the same addresses chaos ensues. I was just joking about imagining that happening in your situation.
 
Peter Grill
Peter Grill
@AlanMunn :-)
 
Kurt
Kurt
2:10 AM
I think this can be closed? too localized (see last two comments)
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Q: references in a smaller font

Erel Segal HaleviHow can I tell LyX to display the bibliographic references in a smaller font? I use the standard "article" document class. When I open the "Settings" of the bibliography, I get a dialog box where I can choose from many styles, but, most of them cause errors when I select them, so I use "plain"....

bibliographies lyx
same here: TL
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Q: lmodern font - caption "font-style"

StefanI am using the lmodern font-package and noticed, that the font on the chapter and section captions (also table of contents) slightly differs from the main document-title etc. I don't know if this is a good style and I just should get used to it, but what I awaited is the same style for the norma...

fonts
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@Kurt Actually it might be better to have @Torbjørn turn his comment into an answer. It's a reasonable question that other LyX users might find helpful.
@Kurt This one, I agree with you for sure.
 
Kurt
Kurt
@AlanMunn I do not use Lyx so I wasn't sure. I agree.
 
Kurt
Kurt
2:41 AM
I would vote for too localized here. Should we add a remark that TeXLive 2009 is a liitle bit old?
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Q: Font installation working on Win/miktex but not Ubuntu/texlive

covey12after researching and trying out many tipps here from online ressources (spending two days) I am about to give up - but still hope that maybe you might have some good idea. The task: I want to install the rotis font package. I've got both the font files themselves as well as the help files from ...

fonts pdftex installing texlive
 
 
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Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
8:33 AM
@Kurt I've closed them
 
Canageek
Canageek
8:59 AM
@AlanMunn It is rather, but that is where the research I want to do is.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
+1 (even though I like my answer better, you need the rep:-) I am sure the community will hold you to that promise. — David Carlisle 19 hours ago
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
9:15 AM
Didier Verna, Paris, France
21 1
fixme indexing spacing
Yay, another TeX guy! :)
Another one to steal @DavidCarlisle's juicy rep points. :P
 
 
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user19161
10:40 AM
Guys, one can now get the "informed" badge by visiting "about".
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@JosephWright I don't think the LyX question was too localized; Torbjørn's comment should have been turned into an answer.
 
JLDiaz
JLDiaz
Hey! I'm 10k. Great responsability comes...
 
topskip
topskip
I am glad that reputation does not drop when being inactive. Otherwise I'd be down to 0
 
user19161
@JLDiaz Congrats! I am 2k. =)
 
JLDiaz
JLDiaz
I offered a bounty, so I'm not 10k anymore, but I guess that I still have moderator status.
 
topskip
topskip
10:47 AM
I am still very reluctant to submit a talk for this years DANTE conference in March
 
user19161
@JLDiaz Rather, pseudomod status. Real mods can do many more things than 10k or even 20k users.
 
user19161
@JLDiaz You misspelled "responsibility".
 
JLDiaz
JLDiaz
@JasonBourne Excuse my english, I spelled it in "spanglish" :-)
 
user19161
@JLDiaz I like to use that phrase after watching Spiderman. With great power comes great responsibility.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda lost 15 to Harish Kumar yesterday:(
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
10:50 AM
@DavidCarlisle oh no!
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
'Morning =)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Timebandit Hi.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Timebandit recommending here.sty to people :( (I killed that last century (Karl made one that just inputs float.sty)
 
JLDiaz
JLDiaz
Uncle Ben
Benjamin "Ben" Parker, usually called Uncle Ben, is a supporting character in the Marvel Universe’s Spider-Man stories. He was created by writer Stan Lee and artist Steve Ditko. Parker was the uncle and surrogate father of Peter Parker, Spider-Man’s alter ego. His death at the hands of a burglar that Spider-Man declined to pursue earlier forever propelled Peter into the role of a superhero. Publication history Uncle Ben first appeared in Amazing Fantasy #15 (August 1962) and was killed in the very same issue. Although his history as a supporting character was very brief, Uncle Ben is...
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@DavidCarlisle Sorry =/, i recommended the FAQ page afterwards. Its no excuse but i tried
 
user19161
10:54 AM
@JLDiaz Yes, I am contemplating changing my username to Peter Parker next time.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle here.sty was superseded by there.sty. :)
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David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Timebandit :-) It's just that I don't think H was one of my better ideas but it still keeps popping up 25 years later:)
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@DavidCarlisle did you create the here.sty package?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Timebandit texdoc here 
(Public domain)

The original here.sty by David Carlisle was withdrawn many years ago.
The [H] modifier is now implemented in float.sty, which this here.sty
simply reads.  Another option is to use a float specifier [!ht], which
usually has the same effect, and keeps floats in the right order.  The
present trivial here.sty merely allows old documents to keep running.

--Karl Berry, November 2009.
David is the one to blame for many packages in the TeX tree. :)
And let's not forget the overwhelming xor implementation. :) /pokes @JosephWright
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
bows to @DavidCarlisle
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
11:01 AM
Oct 26 '12 at 20:55, by David Carlisle
@egreg You get pizza and I get a user on site claiming a longtable bug. I suppose that's fair.
David is my hero.
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Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@AlanMunn Which one?
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
i bow to everyone implementing new packages one of my dreams is to implement my own, one day.
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@JosephWright References in a smaller font: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/93736/…
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@AlanMunn OK, reopened
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@JosephWright But your comment should have been aimed at Torbjørn not Seamus, I think.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
11:09 AM
Where can I find TL2013 dev? I would like to help this question, but I'm unaware of the reference.
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
there's a question that just popped in my mind. I already did some research but did not find anything usefuk
*useful
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@PauloCereda I suspect this is not the whole distro but just the XeTeX part of it: sourceforge.net/projects/xetex
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
"is there a valuable way to use hyphenation with Umlauts?"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@AlanMunn Ah good point.
 
topskip
topskip
@Timebandit Surely hyphenation works with Umlauts. Just use a proper font coding (T1 for example)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
11:18 AM
@topskip: Hi Patrick! Yay! :)
Miss ya, buddy!
 
topskip
topskip
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
@PauloCereda I currently live in some kind of parallel universe :(
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@topskip Oh. :(
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@topskip the problem about fontenc is that it changes the way the biblography looks =/
 
topskip
topskip
@Timebandit sounds like a larger question. If you use non-ascii characters, I think you really should use T1 fontencoding and fix the appearance of the bibliography
 
egreg
egreg
@Timebandit Really?
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
11:21 AM
@egreg really what? =)
 
topskip
topskip
@Timebandit does it really change the appearance of the bib?
 
egreg
egreg
@Timebandit What's changing?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Timebandit yes but removed it when the same was copied to float to save the float maintainer having to test whether it was loaded or not.
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@egreg pretty sure, this is why I didn't use it for some Labreports. let me have a look maybe I find one where i can recreate the problem
@egreg I'm using latex not pdflatex could this cause the problem?
 
egreg
egreg
@Timebandit I don't think so.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
11:56 AM
@egreg: There's some rumor around here that Juve wants to bring Fluminense's forward Fred. :)
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@egreg mh can't find a working example
@egreg or reproduce the error Oo
 
egreg
egreg
12:13 PM
@Timebandit You can get different line breaks, of course.
@PauloCereda Is he good?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Well, let me see how I can say this. :) He's not skillful, but has a good positioning during the game, so he scores a lot.
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda We need someone who scores a lot. ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Don't you guys ever think of taking Barcos from Palmeiras then. :)
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda It seems that Inter and Fiorentina were interested to him.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Yes, we were all worried. :)
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
12:23 PM
clever guy :D
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
!!/cricket
 
egreg
egreg
@AlanMunn Psmith sleeping.
!!/eightball Is Fred from Fluminense a good player?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda kick that bot of yours ^^^^^
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@Timebandit Although now jobless. :)
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@AlanMunn would be sad if not :D
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:27 PM
oh oh think I'd better get home while I have a chance, everything very white around here..
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
Do the random questions (not related to my own writing) I get from students writing their dissertations in other countries mean that I am helping them to outsource their thesis?
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle Snow expected here tomorrow.
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@egreg thanks for mentioning \textsubscript did not see that =)
 
egreg
egreg
@Timebandit It's fun to see how people like to complicate their lives. :)
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@egreg =) i just copied his example and added the `\left[
@egreg removing textsubscript pdflatex won't compile without the extra brackets. Any idea why?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
12:37 PM
@Alan, @egreg: let me revive him. :)
!!/cricket 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Habib Bank Limited 253/10 &  137/10 * v Sui Northern Gas Pipelines Limited 283/10 &  182/10
- Saurashtra 477/10  v Punjab 294/9 *
- Services v Mumbai 380/6 *
- KwaZulu-Natal 91/10 &  106/5 * v Griqualand West 195/10
- KwaZulu-Natal Inland 16 &  175/10 * v Gauteng 365/4
- Cape Cobras 206/10  v Dolphins 174/10 &  97/5 *
- Easterns 38 * v Boland 291/10
- Knights 268/10  v Warriors 226/7 *
- Lions 303/10  v Titans 25 *
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@PauloCereda It's fine. I was just poking fun at the football chat.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@AlanMunn :)
!!/fencing
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
But thank you. ;)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last fencing results:

- Oh dear, nothing happened so far.

Our fencing expert Alan might explain these results later on.
This fencing is boring, nothing happens. :)
!!/eightball Is Fred from Fluminense a good player?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: how about reading source2e?
o.O 
\let\yourarms\enfold{us}
(let's see if someone gets the reference) :)
@AlanMunn Yes, autonomous consulting service. :)
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Q: Highlight missing closing brackets in TeXworks

user1301428Is there the possibility to perform a check in TeXworks to see if there are any missing closing brackets? With this I also mean brackets not related to specific latex commands (e.g. ( and ).

texworks brackets
I think I could write a TeXworks plugin, but I'm lazy today. :)
Oh my, I have 32.9k messages in here!
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@PauloCereda you could outsource yourself ;)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
12:46 PM
@Timebandit I'm not sure I could trust myself. :)
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@PauloCereda :D
anyone tried Chrome Canary
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Timebandit Ask David.
He has every possible version of any browser known to mankind.
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@DavidCarlisle what do you think of Chrome Canary?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@Timebandit There was something like that in the paper yesterday!
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@PauloCereda interessting :D
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
12:50 PM
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@JosephWright not here in germany but this the article i meant =)
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Q: How can I adjust the size of the square brackets in the equation?

YirmidokuzI am trying to write an equation that includes fractions and the power of fractions. Here is my equation. \begin{equation}\label{eq:vlj} \si{\volt\of{LJ}}= \varepsilon\Bigl[{\left(\frac{r_\textsubscript{0}}{r}\right)}^{12}- {\left(\frac{r_\textsubscript{0}}{r}\right)}^{6}\Bigr] ...

brackets subscripts
is there a simple way to change the size of sub- / superscripts?
 
egreg
egreg
1:38 PM
@Timebandit Why would you do differently from r_{0}?
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@egreg i won't but the OP wants to ^^
 
egreg
egreg
@Timebandit One might use r_{\scriptscriptsize 0}, but it's simply wrong.
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@egreg I considered that, but to be sure, i did not have the guts to mention that. :D
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@egreg The user from yesterday seems to have decided to stick with the 'user...' name. Like me, I don't think he speaks Spanish :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright ¡Ay caramba!
I wish I knew some Spanish. :(
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
1:54 PM
@PauloCereda me gusta los arbules, verdes mucho mass :D
 
egreg
egreg
2:14 PM
@JosephWright We might have asked to JLDiaz.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
2:41 PM
@Timebandit very yellow
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@DavidCarlisle yellow?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
Sep 18 '12 at 16:22, by David Carlisle
user image
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@DavidCarlisle :D is it useful? I interested in the tab stacking feature
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Timebandit don't really use it much now I was using to alpha test the mathml support but that reached chrome stable with chrome 24 so mostly for chrome I am back to the relatively stable dev channel (chrome 26) I use firefox nightly as my normal browser
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@DavidCarlisle interesting, i switched from Opera cause its to unstable. but i really miss those stackable tabs
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
3:37 PM
I'm having trouble doing a double subscript where the second subscript does not change fontsize. Perhaps the only way to do this is by lowering a regular subscript somehow?
A good example is given here in the top answer. I'm going for the look of the second example given, however, instead of x_ni type deal, I've got (X_2)_2, where the second 2 needs to be lower than the first but they are separated by a regular parenthesis
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@LordStryker here?
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
@DavidCarlisle Sure am.
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/38100/double-subscript-for-subsequences
whoops
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
No I meant in your comment, ah
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
Its early...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
and current nobreak score is 16:16
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
3:45 PM
take a break!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@LordStryker you could mess with fontdimens but it is a black art, does (X_2)_{_2} do what you want? (looks a bit odd, what's it supposed to mean?)
20 hours ago, by David Carlisle
10:8 to @egreg in the nobreak question. There is no justice in the world
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
@DavidCarlisle It means that there is an entity X_2, and that there are two of these entities. The problem is (with your given example and plenty of others I've worked with), the second '2' becomes a smaller fontsize. I was sort of wanting to have it the same size as a normal subscript.
 
egreg
egreg
@LordStryker ${(X_2)}_2$
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
@egreg I love you.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@LordStryker in that case what egreg says above (lucky you didn't ask on site and give him 15 pt)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
4:03 PM
ooh I have a starred message.
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
Hey there @PauloCereda.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@LordStryker 'ello. :)
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
I need to start hanging out in here again. So much amazing LaTeX talent.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@LordStryker This is the best chatroom ever.
 
user19161
@LordStryker No flirting in this chat! =)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
4:16 PM
They are taking the hobbits to Isengard!
 
user19161
@PauloCereda You know that funny song too?
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
@JasonBourne You going to arrest me Mr. Bourne? ;)
 
user19161
By the way, it is James who is usually called Mr Bond!
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@JasonBourne ahah :D
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Unless of course Consuela is answering the door. :)
No, no, Mr. James no here. :)
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
4:29 PM
@PauloCereda Reminds me of this elzonkeyshow.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/…
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@LordStryker It is her. :)
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
Anyone here use vim for LaTeX?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Me. :)
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
I'm 'okay' with vim but after I discovered how to integrate dict, thesaurus and spell check into vim (and tinker with the vimrc file), I'll never go back to anything else.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
:)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
4:48 PM
!!/cricket 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Habib Bank Limited 253/10 &  137/10 * v Sui Northern Gas Pipelines Limited 283/10 &  182/10
- Saurashtra 477/10  v Punjab 294/9 *
- Services v Mumbai 380/6 *
- KwaZulu-Natal 91/10 &  164/6 * v Griqualand West 195/10
- KwaZulu-Natal Inland 94/5 &  175/10 * v Gauteng 365/4
- Cape Cobras 206/10  v Dolphins 174/10 &  210/9 *
- Easterns 38 * v Boland 291/10
- Knights 268/10 &  76/5 * v Warriors 281/10
- Lions 303/10  v Titans 25 *
 
egreg
egreg
!!/eightball Is Fred from Fluminense a good player?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: signs point to yes.
@egreg :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
5:16 PM
@LordStryker only @PauloCereda has no shame and admits to such delinquency
 
egreg
egreg
@LordStryker In David's .bashrc there's alias vim=emacs
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LordStryker
LordStryker
@egreg bwahahaha! There's a guy next door that loves his emacs.
He also types with his two index fingers...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg I don't need such an alias as I never type vim I do occasionally land in vi by mistake but EDITOR=emacs usually gets rid of that
@LordStryker that many?
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle One's never too sure.
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
@DavidCarlisle The other 8 little piggies are usually hovering in space.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
5:20 PM
@LordStryker you need to keep them ready for M-C-shift sequences
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
user image
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LordStryker
LordStryker
@DavidCarlisle More like the M-C-hammer sequences (his last name is Hammer)
*ba-dum-tssssss
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
@PauloCereda this deserves a star :D
 
enderland
enderland
31
Q: How do I install an individual package on a Linux system?

Andrew StaceyI need to install a new TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt package on my computer. I'm running Ubuntu/Fedora/Slackware/Some-Version-Of Linux. What are the possible ways to do this? Note:   We get a number of questions that essentially reduce to this one; it was felt a good idea to have one question...

packages installing linux
.... so I'm one of the "leave a message in chat" people :-)
I am unsure how to do this on Redhat linux to a custom install location
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@enderland: Hello, welcome to the chat! :)
Do you have TL installed? :)
 
enderland
enderland
5:35 PM
@PauloCereda Yes. I manually installed it to a custom directory (lack of admin rights FTL)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@enderland Ah. :)
First let's find out where is your local tree: 
$ kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME
 
enderland
enderland
@PauloCereda and even worse, lack of consistent machine usage (so even pestering our sysadmin to update this would not be helpful because I will have to do this for EACH package on EACH machine I use....)
/home/users/alden/texmf
so that's good (heh)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@enderland Ouch. :( Which distro do you use? :)
 
enderland
enderland
@PauloCereda Redhat 6. Even more fun since it's Redhat and not something like Ubuntu! :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@enderland RHEL borrows a lot of stuff from the Fedora branch, so I think it's still fun. :)
(I'm a Fedora user) :)
 
enderland
enderland
5:38 PM
@PauloCereda oh it's fun, but, there are about 1000x the resources available online for more mainstream stuff
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@enderland :)
Could you tell us about the package you want to deploy?
 
enderland
enderland
I am using TexMaker and receive an error - "LaTeX error - file "changepage.sty" not found"
I have no idea if TexMaker is finding the right installation, either (nor can I find where to change this within TexMaker? :itsamystery:)
insterestingly that filepath does nto seem to exist
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Hm could you try: 
kpsewhich changepage.sty
 
enderland
enderland
nothing
I suspect that environment variable should be this:
/home/users/alden/latex_install/texmf-local
where I actually have files?
since the current TEXMFHOME points to a non-existent directory
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland The first thing to do is to try tlmgr install changepage
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
5:42 PM
@egreg I'm afraid he doesn't have admin permissions. :(
Unless TL was installed on a user level. :)
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda If the installation is in the home directory, there's no problem
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg I forgot about that. :)
 
enderland
enderland
which tlmgr --- returns nothing
one sec, let me try adding the right /bin/ folder to my PATH env
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland It should be under /home/users/alden/texmf/bin/i386-linux or something like that
 
enderland
enderland
its /home/users/alden/latex_install/2012/bin/x86_64-linux
hmm I wonder if renaming that folder to latex_install vs texmf is causing havoc
does tlmgr give any feedback?
running that gives:
but that's it
 
egreg
egreg
5:48 PM
@enderland Hmm, I don't know if everything is OK. You seem to have the runtime files in a place and the binaries in another. What's under ~/texmf?
 
enderland
enderland
that directory does not exist
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland OK. What's under /home/users/alden/latex_install/2012?
 
Greg Ros
Greg Ros
Hmm. What is the best way to make a theorem environment called Corollary, with an optional argument that typesets 'Corollary of \ref...'
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg 2012 and texmf-local
 
egreg
egreg
@GregRos I usually do it in an indirect way: \newtheorem{corollaryx}[theorem]{\protect\thiscorollaryname} (change theorem to the main counter name you're using) and then \newenvironment{corollary}[1][Corollary]{\def\thiscorollary{#1}\corollaryx}{\en‌​dcorollaryx}
 
enderland
enderland
5:53 PM
I can try reinstalling latex to ~/texmf
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland No, don't do it. If you've updated the PATH, what does tlmgr show tell?
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg "tlmgr: The installation repository does not specify a valid release year, goodbye:"
Hmm. seems to be a problem lol
 
egreg
egreg
@GregRos Then you can call \begin{corollary} or \begin{corollary}[Corollary of ...]
@enderland You have an invalid mirror. Do
tlmgr option repository http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet
 
Greg Ros
Greg Ros
Can you please explain what you did there? What does \protect\thiscorollaryname do? Is the latter a placeholder?
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg tlmgr show gives about 3219108421 results now
 
egreg
egreg
5:58 PM
@GregRos Yes, it's a placeholder for the name
@enderland Now try tlmgr install changepage
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg Fundamental package texlive.infra not present, uh oh, goodbyeSerious error, texlive.infra not found at /home/users/alden/latex_install/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/tlmgr line 5606.
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland tlmgr update --self
 
enderland
enderland
same error
this seems like its a problem b/c --- kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME --- points to the wrong place
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland No, that's correct; what you want to look at is TEXMFMAIN
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg I mean the results of that points to a non-existent directory
 
egreg
egreg
6:02 PM
@enderland It's irrelevant; try with TEXMFMAIN
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg ahah. this points to /usr/share/texmf
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland Which is wrong. You're using the system kpsewhich. What's your PATH?
 
enderland
enderland
ok I fixed that (had default PATH in wrong order for my setting of PATH...)
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland You have to put /home/users/alden/latex_install/2012/bin/x86_64-linux at the start of the PATH
 
enderland
enderland
yeah, just fixed that :)
 
egreg
egreg
6:05 PM
@enderland Now retry tlmgr update --self
 
enderland
enderland
same error about texlive.infra
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg: Palmeiras is ready to sign a contract with Riquelme! o.O
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland which kpsewhich
 
enderland
enderland
that (and tlmgr) point correctly:
/home/users/alden/latex_install/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/kpsewhich
/home/users/alden/latex_install/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/tlmgr
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland :( My best advice now is "reinstall TeX Live".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
6:07 PM
@JasonBourne: so far G3.6 is very polished! :)
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg I will try again... it's linux. that is often the best outcome :-)
 
user19161
@PauloCereda Yes. It would be good if Fedora has an LTS like Ubuntu.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JasonBourne Indeed.
 
user19161
@PauloCereda But I think CentOS 7 should be fine. It should be out early next year.
 
enderland
enderland
Perhaps a better and more correct install process would be good....
 
egreg
egreg
6:09 PM
@enderland If you don't have space constraints, I'd say to do a full install
 
user19161
@enderland I install mine in /home/username/texlive
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg I do not have space constraints. Well theorietically I do :-)
@JasonBourne I'm going to try this as well
 
user19161
@enderland When I install there, I don't need to be root.
 
enderland
enderland
k,. so in ..cshrc I've got - "setenv TEXLIVE_INSTALL_PREFIX /home/users/alden/texlive"
 
user19161
Ah just follow the documentation, it is very clear.
 
user19161
6:12 PM
I use bash profile.
 
user19161
I just set PATH, MANPATH, and INFOPATH in my .profile.
 
enderland
enderland
 84 collections out of 85, disk space required: 3122 MB
is that important?
 
user19161
@enderland Just do a full install. It's auto.
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland UH! You're under tcsh? Did you do rehash after changing the PATH?
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg rehash? what do you mean? you mean sourcing changes to PATH?
 
egreg
egreg
6:13 PM
@enderland That's always to do on tcsh
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg indeed - do you mean something different though?
@egreg though.. I'm committed to a reinstall anyways since I did delete the preivous directory, lol
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland No, that came to my mind when I saw you're using tcsh.
@enderland Remember to put the TeX Live binaries in front of your PATH
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg nah I've gotten used to that. I even made an alias for it hehe
alrighty currently installing 2599 components..
 
egreg
egreg
@enderland Have a cup of coffee. Maybe two. :)
 
enderland
enderland
I wonder if the underscore in the path broke some parser internally? seems unlikely...
 
user19161
6:18 PM
@egreg One at a time, too many is dangerous.
 
enderland
enderland
I've spent so many hours fighting lack of admin rights... this is just a single instance... lol. But, the plus is that I have a considerably better understanding as to how Linux works as a result
 
user19161
@enderland What are you using?
 
enderland
enderland
@JasonBourne Rhel6
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
!!/eightball Do you like coffee?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: without a doubt.
 
enderland
enderland
@JasonBourne Also, using a variety of lab machines, so building libraries/etc to networked user drives is nearly a requirement
 
user19161
6:22 PM
@enderland Ah, I like CentOS.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
!!/eightball Do you like CentOS?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: very doubtful.
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
6:38 PM
@PauloCereda What is this eightball and how can I get it?
Maybe I'll code one up in python
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@LordStryker It's our lovely bot answering yes/no questions. Try it with !!/eightball your question. :)
 
enderland
enderland
!!/eightball will this install of latex work
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@enderland Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: you need to use emacs.
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
!!/eightball is @PauloCereda as handsome as he is in his avatar?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command eighball does not exist. Did you mean: eightball
 
enderland
enderland
6:39 PM
lol
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@LordStryker Typo. :)
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: reply hazy, try again.
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
Hazy :-\
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
:)
!!/help
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good afternoon! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
!!/eightball Should I have a third cup of coffee?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: without a doubt.
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
6:42 PM
Beautiful.
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg it seems that "changepage" was a package installed this time around.... something DID break the first install I did, but I have no idea what/where, just continued like it said -- I wonder if this one will magically work? :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
!!/texdef -t latex maketitle
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
@enderland Our mantra around where I work is... "Well, you can always reinstall Linux"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\maketitle:
\long macro:->\par \begingroup \renewcommand \thefootnote {\@fnsymbol \c@footnote }\def \@makefnmark {\rlap {\@textsuperscript {\normalfont \@thefnmark }}}\long \def \@makefntext ##1{\parindent 1em\noindent \hb@xt@ 1.8em{\hss \@textsuperscript {\normalfont \@thefnmark }}##1}\if@twocolumn \ifnum \col@number =\@ne \@maketitle \else \twocolumn [\@maketitle ]\fi \else \newpage \global \@topnum \z@ \@maketitle \fi \thispagestyle {plain}\@thanks \endgroup \setcounter {footnote}{0}\global \let \thanks \relax \glob…
 
enderland
enderland
@LordStryker lol I'm so used to reinstalling things I sometimes forget that things breaking isn't normal
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
6:45 PM
@enderland I know the feels :(
 
enderland
enderland
@LordStryker "oh that library seemed to build incorrectly? you can either... try to figure out waht was wrong in the cmake file or... just start from scratch again"
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
@enderland "option 2 please!"
Allowed for some nice 'breaks' so to speak.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
!!/choose figure out what's wrong in the cmake file, have a donut
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: figure out what's wrong in the cmake file
 
enderland
enderland
@LordStryker I'm not sure what types of work you do, but I do software dev types of stuff and so often the easiest way to reconfigure a library to work is just nuke it and start over - who KNOWS where you messed up configure/cmake/etc
and then the interwebs show you this - xkcd.com/979
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
@enderland I do computational chemistry. Most of that comp. sci. stuff is over my head so I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who says '**** it' and starts over
@enderland ooooh I HATE that!
@PauloCereda Can commands be nested? Can you make the great oracle ask the eightball a question??
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
6:50 PM
@LordStryker Not yet. :) It's a humble bot. :)
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
!!/eightball Is Psmith a humble bot?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@LordStryker Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: only egreg knows the answer.
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
^True on so many levels...
 
enderland
enderland
@LordStryker This is the story of my life in graduate school. i've gotten very familiar with DENVERCODER9s....
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
@enderland Thank goodness for SE that's all I have to say
@PauloCereda Why Psmith? What does it stand for?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
6:56 PM
@LordStryker It was Andrew's suggestion. :)
Psmith
Rupert Psmith (or Ronald Eustace Psmith, as he is called in the last of the four books in which he appears) is a recurring fictional character in several novels by British comic writer P. G. Wodehouse, being one of Wodehouse's best-loved characters. The P in his surname is silent ("as in pshrimp" in his own words) and was added by himself, in order to distinguish him from other Smiths. A member of the Drones Club, this monocle-sporting Old Etonian is something of a dandy, a fluent and witty speaker, and has a remarkable ability to pass through the most amazing adventures unruffled. Or...
 
LordStryker
LordStryker
Apparently I need to read more books.
 
enderland
enderland
@egreg well I'm getting close to finishing, only about 25% more to go!
 
Timebandit
Timebandit
7:17 PM
just bought a floorcleaning bot :D
 
enderland
enderland
7:28 PM
hmm. it seems this install is doing considerably more at the "end" than the last one - this is promising... i think
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
shouldn't this be closed as off topic for not being about emacs or even cricket or Juventus tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1548/…
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
enderland
enderland
wooooo! it seems I am now able to get htings to work - I think it was a combination of super cryptic TexMaker commands and a b0rken install of LaTeX which caused a mountain of problems
Thanks @egreg and others :-)
 
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