TeX, LaTeX and Friends

tohecz

12:00 AM

Happy 2013, @David, @Joseph and others!

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Happy New Year!

tohecz

@PauloCereda yeah, it's 1 o'clock here already

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz 22h yet here. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda I know

David Carlisle

12:22 AM

happy new year (GMT :-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Happy New Year!

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle yeah, happy to you too, and good bye, I have to get up early in the morning

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Happy New Year to GMTimers!

David Carlisle

@egreg :-)

cmhughes

1:56 AM

@StefanKottwitz sweet, glad you like it :) Happy New Year, and thank you for all that you do as a moderator :)

hpesoj626

To all, happy new year!

cmhughes

@hpesoj626 and to you :)

hpesoj626

3:09 AM

@DavidCarlisle Done with new year celebrations?

Adorable Creature

4:25 AM

To all:

@JasperLoy Hi, I cannot answer. :-)

user19161

5:17 AM

@AdorableCreature Was that done using pstricks?

Adorable Creature

7:04 AM

@JasperLoy :-)

user19161

@AdorableCreature Happy New Year!

Adorable Creature

7:26 AM

@JasperLoy Happy New Year, Jasper!

Martin Scharrer

9:35 AM

Happy New Year!

kan

@MartinScharrer Happy New Year, Martin!

Joseph Wright

@MartinScharrer And to you!

Not seen you about here so much lately

user19161

I see two ducks in this room!

Joseph Wright

@JasperLoy Quack

Martin Scharrer

@JosephWright My new job kept me very busy, but this should settle a little now.

Paulo Cereda

10:08 AM

Happy New Year!

egreg

@PauloCereda You woke up very late!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I know. :) I had a terrible night, had to go to the hospital, I was not feeling well.

Thankfully now I'm OK. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Oh no

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Now I'm fine. :) I blame the weather, we had a very cold/hot temperature in the very same day.

egreg

@PauloCereda Sorry to know.

Paulo Cereda

10:15 AM

@egreg I live very near of the hospital, so in less than 15 minutes, I was OK. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Not because of the tortellini, I believe.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg No. :) It was the weather, too much variation of the temperature.

egreg

@PauloCereda No Mass this morning?

@PauloCereda Look what's in TeX Live today!

28678 11 hours karl new latex package abntex2 (31dec12)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg No. Since we are a very small community, we don't have too many people available to help (I play and sing in every mass we have), and today is a day no one "wants" to be available. The priest decided to not celebrate today and went to see his family in another city.

@egreg On no!

@egreg: according to the project page, it seems a fork of the original abntex package.

egreg

10:33 AM

@PauloCereda Maybe it will be easier to help those who are, unfortunately, bound to use it. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Indeed. :) I'll prod Henrique to make biblatex-abnt also available in CTAN.

egreg

@MartinScharrer Happy New Year! (Joseph an Stephan already had their personalized greeting).

Martin Scharrer

@egreg Thanks! You too!

Paulo Cereda

@MartinScharrer: Happy New Year!

egreg

Probably lockstep is at the Musikverein for the New Year's Concert. :P

Martin Scharrer

10:36 AM

@PauloCereda Happy New Year!

Martin Scharrer

11:22 AM

@JosephWright: Any idea why Garbage Collector aka. Adorable Creature now addresses the other users using their doctoral degree?

tohecz

11:40 AM

Hello!

Joseph Wright

@MartinScharrer No

tohecz

@MartinScharrer Some people do some things we consider crazy, and they're often not able or willing to provide an explanation. Anyways, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody, is it any problem?

Martin Scharrer

@tohecz Well, I think we have a standing convention about this here. Also, he edited an answer of mine because of this (ok, I had the user name itself wrong)

Joseph Wright

@MartinScharrer Adorable Creature is a she :-)

Martin Scharrer

@JosephWright I wasn't sure about that anymore

@JosephWright The cousin of Xport, right?

Paulo Cereda

11:49 AM

@JosephWright This is so confusing. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda at least the avy is not confusing now...

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz :)

tohecz

@MartinScharrer well, in a comment it would be her choice IMHO, but this seems to be too much, I agree

Paulo Cereda

!!/help

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good morning! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!

Guys, what do you think if I try adding some sort of sentence generation to Psmith based on our chatroom history?

I'm thinking of a 4th order Markov chain.

That way, we can use David's witty sentences and make our bot even more British. :)

Silex

Happy New Year everyone!

Martin Scharrer

11:58 AM

Other thing, who runs ctan.org now and why?

Paulo Cereda

@Silex Happy New Year!

Silex

And why is the upload service down? :(

Paulo Cereda

Can I haz duck.ctan.org?

Joseph Wright

@MartinScharrer Still the same people

@Silex Well, it's not quite :-)

@Silex tex.ac.uk/upload

@PauloCereda Ask Karl, I guess ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Not now, I have to bug him to help me deploy arara to CTAN. :)

Joseph Wright

12:03 PM

@PauloCereda Deploying to CTAN is easy, getting into TL is the challenge

Silex

@JosephWright Nice, thanks!

Paulo Cereda

Can't believe I can be the second successful guy to deploy a Java app into a TeX distro (the first is of course Heiko). :)

@JosephWright I meant TL. :) I made a test with my local install, arara works like a charm integrated with TL. :)

@JosephWright: brew install cmatrix

Do it. :P

tohecz

@PauloCereda 'tis your LaTeX log?

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz It would be so cool to have a log like that. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda yep

Torbjørn T.

12:25 PM

@PauloCereda One for arara: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/88458/…

Paulo Cereda

@TorbjørnT. Oh thanks! I just need to take a look on how to integrate it with TeXShop. :)

percusse

12:43 PM

Happy new year everyone!

Paulo Cereda

Happy New Year!

egreg

1:26 PM

@PauloCereda Just ask Dick Koch to add an "arara engine".

Paulo Cereda

1:43 PM

@egreg :)

egreg

2:07 PM

@PauloCereda I was being serious! You can't get direct TeXShop support without defining an engine. Either you tell users how to define their own, or you convince Dick to add one to the default engines.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Hm do you think it's worth?

egreg

@PauloCereda I think so.

It's quite an easy engine, isn't it? Just call "arara"; possibly with some options, but that becomes hairier.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I'm dying to publish arara to CTAN, but without a proper manual, it's not doable. The 3.0 version is very powerful, with a lot of helper functions, but without a proper reference, it's of no use.

@egreg It is. Possibly one flag or two. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda So hurry up writing the manual!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg It's difficult! :) There's a lot of things to write! :)

percusse

2:14 PM

@PauloCereda Don't make it super complete. TikZ manual is great but very scary as opposed to the packages where only code comments are included. Let it grow between versions and put an undocumented feature section :) I find the xstring manual quite balanced for example.

It leaves some of the things to the user to explore.

Paulo Cereda

@percusse My plan is to have a good reference, don't worry. Problem is, arara is a huge bird. :)

percusse

@PauloCereda It should fly first before the taxonomy as a bird :)

Did you contact also Christian Schenk (author of MikTeX) for a possible inclusion too?

I've invited him to TeX.SE some time ago.

Paulo Cereda

@percusse I might talk to him.

percusse

3:13 PM

@JosephWright Wow, I couldn't even vote for closing in the MikTeX question. Thanks!

Joseph Wright

4:27 PM

UK-TUG renewals out: so far four replies, the first within 15 minutes :-)

(My renewal doesn't count!)

Gigili

4:55 PM

Hello @JosephWright, I've installed TeX Live. Is "DVI OUT DVI viewer" the editor I am supposed to write my TeX code in?

Sorry, but umm, this is a bit complicated!

user19161

@Gigili No, that is the DVI viewer for viewing DVI files.

user19161

You are to write code in a TeX editor, such as TeXworks.

user19161

TeXworks comes with TeX Live on Windows in a full installation.

Gigili

@JasperLoy Ah yeah, found it! Thanks

user19161

TeXworks is my favourite editor.

user19161

4:58 PM

TeXmaker is my second favourite.

user19161

Both work on Windows, Linux and Mac.

Gigili

Toodles!

Paulo Cereda

5:09 PM

@JosephWright David, of course. :)

percusse

5:32 PM

Hi there, I think this answer should be kept as it is just great for such a complicated task. And we know Herbert likes to provide additional cases with PSTricks which is no problem at all, so I don't see any problem and voted for undeletion. Please check it out.

21

Q: Text spirals with TikZ

I just ran across this, and I'm curious about whether it can be replicated in TeX... Ideally one would have the spiral getting tighter and tighter as one got to the centre, as in I know TikZ has the ability to fit text along a path, but I'm not sure how one might make text get smaller and s...

I can put a comment too if it's undeleted as a scapegoat :)

Faheem Mitha

If I'm writing a fraction inline, is $1/5$th the best one can do? Any other options?

cmhughes

@percusse Happy New Year! I completely agree- there are many times that have we seen a PSTricks answer for a tikz question and vice-versa? Am also voting to undelete

kan

@FaheemMitha \frac{1}{5} should work too, in principle. I mean to say, it should not be ugly.

Faheem Mitha

@kan I tried that, but it kinda stuck out.

egreg

@FaheemMitha I'd simply write "one fifth".

kan

5:42 PM

I feel that Herbert sometimes deletes some really nice answers.

percusse

@cmhughes Happy new year to you too!

@cmhughes Look at this indentation, how nice...

3

Q: pgfplots: non uniform line width for interrupted plot

I draw a graph, but the red line does not appear to have the same width everywhere. For instance, between [a,b] it looks like it's thicker. \documentclass{beamer} \usetheme{CambridgeUS} \usepackage{pgfplots} \pgfplotsset{compat=1.7} \begin{document} \begin{frame} \begin{tikzpicture} ...

pgfplots width

cmhughes

@percusse it certainly is beautiful! :) I don't think that indent.plx is responsible though :( A good test case to add to the library!

Gigili

6:22 PM

I downloaded a zip file called "latex-beamer.tar.gz" but I can't find an executable file in it to install the package. Any ideas?

Alan Munn

@egreg @PauloCereda Absolutely. Dick is very open to suggestions of this sort, and is happy to include useful things, especially engines which require no maintenance on his part. ;)

@Gigili What exactly is this supposed to be? If you have a full TeX distribution, beamer should already be part of it.

Gigili

@AlanMunn How should I know whether it's already installed?

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn I'll write him an email. :) Will I see you using arara in the future? :)

Gigili

I think it is not, because I get an error when I try to run a sample using Beamer package.

No one?

Umm, thank you for your attention!

kan

6:40 PM

@Gigili What is the error? What is your code?

@Gigili too threatening; if people are around, they help.

Gigili

> ! Package babel Error: You haven't loaded the option french yet.

kan

@Gigili You see, this is not an error from Beamer package.

@Gigili What is your code?

Gigili

A sample from a guideline document

\documentclass{beamer}

\usetheme{Warsaw}
\title[Make a LaTeX presentation using Beamer]{Introduction  to Beamer\\How to make a presentation with LaTeX?}
\author{Nadir Soualem -- Astozzia}

\date{Jule 13, 2007}
\begin{document}

\begin{frame}
\titlepage
\end{frame}


\begin{frame}{Introduction}
This is a short introduction to Beamer class.
\end{frame}

\end{document}

Alan Munn

@Gigili Sorry, I got busy with something else.

@Gigili What is the filename of this sample?

(An odd question, I know, but it might be relevant.)

Gigili

@AlanMunn Oh no problem. I’m in rather a hurry to create this presentation for my seminar ASAP.

@AlanMunn untitled-1

Paulo Cereda

6:47 PM

Hi @YiannisLazarides! :)

kan

What surprises me is why is Babel throwing an error!

Yiannis Lazarides

@PauloCereda Hi! guys happy new year.

Alan Munn

@Gigili Usually the error you have is because of left over .aux files from a different document named untitled-1. So give your document a proper name, and try to compile it again, (or delete the`.aux` files for it.

Paulo Cereda

@YiannisLazarides Happy New Year! We miss you. :)

kan

@YiannisLazarides Happy New Year! :)

Yiannis Lazarides

6:49 PM

@PauloCereda @kan Thanks. New year's resolution visit the site daily:)

Paulo Cereda

"You are listening to Charlietown Blues: all about the blues."

@YiannisLazarides woohoo

percusse

@AlanMunn We have 3 days of Einstein on the Beach but sold out in all shows. Dang!

kan

@YiannisLazarides Nice!! We'll see you here more often then!

Gigili

@AlanMunn Ha! Thanks a lot.

Alan Munn

@percusse I'm sorry to hear that. It's well worth it to get tickets if you can. Perhaps there will be some last minute ones available?

Yiannis Lazarides

6:50 PM

@kan hopefully, last six months were hectic:)

Paulo Cereda

@percusse What's that?

Please tell me it's girls on bikinis talking about relativity. :)

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percusse

@AlanMunn In the dark side of the things maybe but not yet on Ebay-like sites. I'll keep on looking.

Alan Munn

I saw it twice this cycle, since it will be the last time that Glass and Wilson produce it.

percusse

@PauloCereda It's an @AlanMunn certified opera/show(?!)

Einstein on the Beach

Einstein on the Beach is an opera in four acts (framed and connected by five "knee plays" or intermezzos), scored by Philip Glass and directed by theatrical producer Robert Wilson. The opera eschews traditional narrative in favor of a formalist approach based on structured spaces laid out by Wilson in a [http://prelectur.stanford.edu/lecturers/wilson/#_ftn10 series of storyboards]. The music was written "in the spring, summer and fall of 1975." Glass recounts the collaborative process: "I put [Wilson’s notebook of sketches] on the piano and composed each section like a portrait of the dr...

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda No, that's The Physicist from Ipanema.

Paulo Cereda

6:53 PM

@percusse ooh!

Yiannis Lazarides

@percusse @AlanMunn Happy new year. What are "structured spaces"? on the beach?

Alan Munn

@percusse Yes, it's a bit of a misnomer to call it an opera. It's not really an opera in the traditional sense. It's a mammoth piece of fantastic performance art.

percusse

I thought it was Higgs Bosom

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Alan Munn

@percusse LOL.

Faheem Mitha

@egreg ah, well. that's an idea. :-)

Paulo Cereda

6:55 PM

@AlanMunn Tall and creepy and old and boring, the physicist from Ipanema goes walking, and when he passes, each one he passes goes "booooooo!"

Alan Munn

@YiannisLazarides I don't quite know what the wikipedia article means by that term. There are three main sets: the train, the trial and the spaceship. It's really quite hard to describe in words. There is no beach, however. There are probably some clips on Youtube.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn No beach?! o.O

percusse

@YiannisLazarides A happy happy new year.

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Isn't each on he passes moving relative to him?

Yiannis Lazarides

@AlanMunn Thanks. It's amazing what hits a chord with people. Will have a look at youtube. @PauloCereda You can add some fish if there is no beach youtube.com/…

Paulo Cereda

7:00 PM

Q: Why did Albert Einstein cross the street?
A: To get away from Niels Bohr. But when he got to the other side Bohr was there also.

percusse

@YiannisLazarides Maybe; “On the other hand, although I have a regular work schedule, I take time to go for long walks on the beach so that I can listen to what is going on inside my head. If my work isn’t going well, I lie down in the middle of a workday and gaze at the ceiling while I listen and visualize what goes on in my imagination.” Einstein

Paulo Cereda

@YiannisLazarides Oh my!

percusse

@AlanMunn I thought this was you :P arts.umich.edu/seen/2012/01/24/…

Alan Munn

@YiannisLazarides After the Amsterdam shows there are only two more scheduled, in Hong Kong and Melbourne, unless they add more (these last two were late additions I think.)

Paulo Cereda

@percusse: Einstein on the beach, with Ramnstein warming up the audience.

Alan Munn

7:06 PM

@PauloCereda Oh puhleese.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn I've never been to an opera, bear with me. :)

percusse

@PauloCereda opening piece du hast mich und meine Umsetzung

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda I've never been to an opera either.

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Oh my I thought the same!

Yiannis Lazarides

@alan It would be great to watch it in Hong Kong.

@percusse Nice quote. I get the same feeling from long drives.

percusse

7:09 PM

@YiannisLazarides :-)

Alan Munn

@YiannisLazarides I was lucky in that I saw it first here in Michigan and then again in Toronto (which is only a 4 1/2 hour drive away, and where I grew up.)

Paulo Cereda

Somehow related:

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda LOL. That's great.

user19161

8:12 PM

@PauloCereda I think it should be "girls in bikinis". "Girls on bikinis" would mean they were sitting on their bikinis instead of wearing them, which is what you might have wanted though.

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kan

8:36 PM

@JasperLoy I'd like to quickly note that "instead of wearing them" is perhaps amusing while not exactly what Paulo's sentence is conveying!

user19161

@kan I would like to quickly note that I am glad I got two stars.

kan

@JasperLoy shrug

Paulo Cereda

9:22 PM

@JasperLoy ooh!

user19161

@PauloCereda Maybe a Freudian slip. =)

tohecz

9:39 PM

btw, have you noticed that after Vafa, we have got another "business" LaTeX user here, who posts sometimes not-really-wise answers?

user19161

@tohecz Hmm, who?

tohecz

2

A: Two consecutive spaces

First way that comes to mind is: Firstword~~Secondword In the event that linebreaking is an issue, there is a couple of other methods however I'm not sure if they are the 'propper' way to do it, nonetheless. First Alternative: An 'ex' should be approximately a single space Firstword \hspace...

@JasperLoy not their first disputable answer

user19161

@tohecz The only reason why I don't downvote answers is to save myself one point. =)

egreg

@JasperLoy In any case I leave a comment, before thinking to downvote. In a case with that user this sufficed for deletion.

tohecz

@JasperLoy you're such a skinflint?

user19161

9:45 PM

But on the other sites where I am more active, if I am downvoted, I try to downvote some answers to keep my rep at a multiple of 5. =)

tohecz

@egreg Yeah, but the true problem is that the question is bad. Whatever answer you provide, it cannot be correct, because it is never correct to put two manual spaces in a row. But we both know this ;)

tohecz

10:11 PM

@PauloCereda: duckduckgo.com/?q=+site%3Atex.stackexchange.com

user19161

@tohecz I wonder who uses that search engine, it doesn't suit me at all.

Joseph Wright

@JasperLoy Quite useful as it's not biased by previous searches

user19161

@JosephWright Ah, you sound like you use it then!

tohecz

@JasperLoy You know what? I quite understand it, being from a country where Google is not the most used search engine ;)

user19161

I use google search, but I think yahoo search is good too.

tohecz

10:15 PM

@JasperLoy btw, I cannot help myself, but this comment looks like it's by someone from Math.SE, where "only my opinion is valid"

user19161

@tohecz Well, it's true I get that feeling sometimes on meta there.

tohecz

@JasperLoy I get the feeling on the main site there. I haven't yet been brave enough to enter their meta.

user19161

@tohecz I just think that people on Math are a bit stingy with their votes...

tohecz

@JasperLoy I've stated my opinion on this few weeks ago here...

user19161

@tohecz Also, the voting patterns there confuse me more than on other sites. Some answers get many more votes than others even though they seem roughly of the same quality.

tohecz

10:20 PM

Dec 2 '12 at 23:02, by tohecz

yeah:
If I know the answer, the question is trivial -> no upvote.
If I don't know the answer, the question is stupid -> no upvote.
If I know the answer, my answer is the only possible -> no upvote.
If I don't know the answer, the question is stupid and answer as well -> no upvote.

user19161

@tohecz HAHAHAHAHA

Alan Munn

@JasperLoy I think that's true on other sites as well. I think we very early developed a culture of generous voting. For example, I think many people use the "If a question was good enough for me to answer, then it deserves an upvote." On answers we are similarly generous.

@tohecz LOL.

tohecz

@AlanMunn btw, I posted that after 2 months being member there and visiting the site some 20 times...

Alan Munn

See also:

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Q: Factors that influence voting

I'm curious about the factors that influence voting. One of my motivations is the number of '0-score' answers there are. Indeed, even @egreg has one page of '0-score' answers- I find this really interesting. I've been an active member on the site for over a year- I love the community that we ...

discussion voting

user19161

@AlanMunn I have come to the conclusion that I shouldn't try to figure what voters have in mind at all, there is just no pattern sometimes. Too random!

Alan Munn

10:24 PM

@tohecz Luckily we have only a few people here who vote like that.

@JasperLoy Well many are attracted to shiny objects ^H^H^H^H^H TikZ pictures.

user19161

This is what I observe on Math. Sometimes an answer gets a comment "this answer is brilliant" and then it will get many upvotes, whether it truly is brilliant or not.

tohecz

@AlanMunn and needed to say, here, these people either 1) are stupid, 2) not voting is their philosophy or 3) are real nerds who hardly evaluate other people's work

Alan Munn

@tohecz I think it's a combination of 2 and 3, not 1.

tohecz

@AlanMunn "stupid" is not the right word, maybe "grousy" would fit better

Alan Munn

@tohecz s/s/ch/

user19161

10:28 PM

@tohecz Well, stupid has many meanings.

tohecz

@AlanMunn what?

user19161

For example, if you cannot use the computer, you say it is stupid, even though the user is the stupid one. =)

egreg

@tohecz The word is "grouchy". Alan wanted to show his knowledge of sed. :)

Alan Munn

'grousy' (not a word); 'grouchy' the word I think you meant.
My notation is from 'sed'.

@egreg No, I'm showing my age.

egreg

@AlanMunn Grouchy?

Alan Munn

10:31 PM

@egreg No, by using sed syntax.

egreg

@AlanMunn It's handy, if one knows how to use it. ;-)

David Carlisle

@egreg If you use such syntax in the w3c irc chat rooms it has the nice feature of actually applying sed to the generated log file and correcting typing errors on the fly..

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle holy fuck!

@egreg @AlanMunn then my dictionary is wrong:

grousy - zapšklý

egreg

@tohecz Well, apart from counting the missing vowels, I can't do anything with that word. :)

Alan Munn

@tohecz There's a verb 'grouse' (and its corresponding identical noun) which more or less means the same thing, but there's no adjective version of it. (On the other hand, 'grouch' is only a noun, not a verb.)

tohecz

10:35 PM

@AlanMunn yeah, grouch is it.

@egreg lol :p

kan

@tohecz Be a good boy--don't argue with linguists!

:)

Alan Munn

@egreg Isn't ý a vowel?

tohecz

@kan well, if the word in the dictionary doesn't exist, it doesn't exist

@AlanMunn it is

Alan Munn

@tohecz So there are more than enough vowels for me. :)

egreg

@AlanMunn Yes, but two more would surely improve it.

Alan Munn

10:37 PM

@tohecz That's not a statement any linguist would agree with.

@egreg You Italians have so little variety in your syllables.

tohecz

@AlanMunn the pronounciation of the word is identical to "zapšklí" just that the former one is masculine singular and the latter one is masculine plural

@AlanMunn I'm not sure you understood me, I simply say the dictionary is wrong, because it contains a non-existing word

egreg

@tohecz Don't you palatalize the "l" in "zapšklí"?

Alan Munn

@tohecz Ah, yes, you're right. I misread that.

tohecz

@egreg no, I don't think so. We don't have different l's (we're not Slovakians ;) )

There's a substantial difference between these two ;)
If the word in the dictionary doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.
If the word doesn't exist in the dictionary, it doesn't exist

Alan Munn

@tohecz This is what we linguists call a 'minimal pair'. That's a very nice one.

tohecz

10:47 PM

@AlanMunn Yeah, there are ones where comma placement makes a difference, they just probably doesn't work in English so easily as in Czech

@AlanMunn
propustit nelze, zastřelit = "impossible to let go (therefore) shoot"
propustit, nelze zastřelit = "let go (because) impossible to shoot"

Paulo Cereda

@JasperLoy I use it. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda Hello!

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Hi Tom!

tohecz

@PauloCereda how do you do?

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Still recovering. :) And you?

user19161

10:51 PM

@tohecz Wow, I don't hear how do you do very often these days.

tohecz

@PauloCereda I'm ok (I haven't been drinking much, only 2 glasses of wine), but some motherfucker put a banger into our house mailboxes

@JasperLoy I'm a conservative you know, and moreover, I'm just reading Miss Marple in English ;)

kan

@tohecz What does the last sentence mean? ("put a banger into our house mailboxes")

Just curious... :)

tohecz

@kan banger = small bomb

mailbox = place where the post delivers the letters for us

user19161

"Cost a bomb" means very expensive.

Paulo Cereda

house?

oh.

tohecz

10:55 PM

conclusion: it will cost around EUR 500 to repair

@PauloCereda 10 apartements

user19161

Also, try to avoid using "bomb" too often, otherwise people might think you are a terrorist.

tohecz

@JasperLoy that's why I said "banger" at first, "bomb" only in explanation ;)

Alan Munn

@tohecz How about 'firecracker'. :) I seem to be a veritable fountain of English correction today.

egreg

@AlanMunn I like more "petard". :)

tohecz

@AlanMunn whatever: 1) I don't like bangers and 2) I'm not a native speaker you know

@egreg that's what we say here

egreg

10:58 PM

@tohecz French everywhere. In Italian it is "petardo".

Alan Munn

@tohecz I know. I'm not criticizing at all. Sorry.

tohecz

@egreg and in Latin?

egreg

@tohecz I suspect they hadn't bangers at the time. :)

tohecz

@AlanMunn no problem

Paulo Cereda

I vote for explosive thingy.

Alan Munn

11:01 PM

@egreg 'petard' only exists in English in the frozen expression "hoisted by [one's] own petard'. I never knew it meant 'bomb'; (The word seems to come from the French word for 'fart'.)

egreg

@tohecz But the French "pétard" comes from a Latin word: "peditum". Can you guess the meaning? It means "making a certain noise..."

@AlanMunn I tried to be more elegant. ;-)

tohecz

@egreg en.wiktionary.org/wiki/p%C3%A9tard

Paulo Cereda

Are we talking about that captain of the... oh wait, that's Picard.

egreg

@PauloCereda Who's too polite a person to make certain noises. :)

Alan Munn

@egreg That goes along with your spare (in the sense of minimal) syllables. :)

Paulo Cereda

11:04 PM

@egreg :)

Let's talk about new year's resolutions.

I'll try to have a pet duck this year.

egreg

@PauloCereda I meant with bangers or firecrackers, what did you think? :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda I hope you have nothing against Jean-Luc

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Nope. :)

user19161

@tohecz Maybe it's just me but I think JL is a very common combination for names.

tohecz

@JasperLoy yeah, they're too short seperated ;)

user19161

11:10 PM

@tohecz The author of synctex is Jerome Laurens. =)

Paulo Cereda

My second Mercurial repo, yay!

user19161

@tohecz "Separated" is the correct spelling.

user19161

@PauloCereda Do you have a toy duck?

egreg

@JasperLoy Not in Italian. We don't use J, which could be an explanation.

Paulo Cereda

@JasperLoy No. :(

tohecz

11:12 PM

@JasperLoy fuck, but thanks

user19161

@tohecz No problem, correcting spellings is a great way to make friends online. =)

user19161

I copied that line from someone. =)

Paulo Cereda

Jay Leno?!

tohecz

@JasperLoy we had 5 TB in my high-school class. And L is not so common initial in Czech ...

user19161

@PauloCereda John Lennon.

Paulo Cereda

11:14 PM

Jay-Z.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda You could keep Joseph in a cage.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle That's mean. :P

Jennifer Lopez.

user19161

@PauloCereda Ah! I don't think she is pretty...

tohecz

btw, just now, at my favourite radio station, there's a song about the nice twists of Czech language, what a coincidence!

egreg

@tohecz You change the names beginning with L, that's why! "Laurentius" -> "Vavřinec"

tohecz

11:18 PM

@egreg well, it's quite uncommon for surnames too

and btw, these changes you speak about are sometimes crazy

user19161

@tohecz It should be "uncommon".

kan

@DavidCarlisle :) How mean!

user19161

@kan We are all prisoners of our bodies.

kan

7 mins ago, by tohecz

@JasperLoy fuck, but thanks

tohecz

@JasperLoy what did zou saz?

user19161

11:20 PM

Breakfast time...

tohecz

@egreg and you are Jindřich ;)

egreg

@tohecz And I know where Sv. Jindřich's church is, in Prague.

tohecz

@egreg you mean the one in Jindřišská?

egreg

@tohecz Yes. With the tower next to it.

tohecz

@egreg exactly. The tower I've never been to

egreg

11:27 PM

@tohecz I always found the church closed. :(

tohecz

@egreg there're too many churches in Prague for all of them to be open all the time

egreg

@tohecz But I've been in Týn's church to greet Tycho Brahe. ;-)

tohecz

@egreg lol

egreg

@tohecz You have to go visit Descartes when you're back in Paris.

tohecz

@egreg you mean his relicts?

egreg

11:31 PM

@tohecz He's buried in St. Germain des Prés (or at least there's his burial place).

tohecz

@egreg I'm not sure I need to see a tomb of someone. I'll rather go to Pere-Lachaise to get the idea of what all notable people are placed there

egreg

@tohecz St. Germain des Prés deserves a visit anyway.

tohecz

@egreg probably. there're too many places worth visiting in Paris

Alan Munn

@JasperLoy Don't poke the beast. :)

tohecz

@AlanMunn +1 :D

Alan Munn

11:43 PM

@tohecz You can also make the pilgrimage to Jim Morrison's grave.

tohecz

@AlanMunn whose?

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Riders on the storm. :)

Alan Munn

@tohecz Lead singer of The Doors.

tohecz

@AlanMunn oh! :)

egreg

@AlanMunn I didn't, but I went to Edith Piaf's grave.

Paulo Cereda

11:48 PM

@AlanMunn: My dad once saw me listening to that song, and he said, "That song is very nice, 'raios, onde estou?'." :P

user19161

@paulo Thanks to you, I now have 3 stars on the wall. =)

Alan Munn

@egreg A worthy alternative. Apparently Fourier is also buried there.

tohecz

btw, thinking about "girls on bikinis" again: Do you say that someone is "on drugs"? If so then I think you can find some bikini addicted "girls on bikinis" ;)

egreg

@AlanMunn I think so. But it's impossible to find everybody there. I found Chopin and Bellini, who are near to each other.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Chopin? Now I'm surprised. :)

Alan Munn

11:50 PM

@PauloCereda Sorry, not sure I got that.

egreg

@PauloCereda I was making sure he's dead. ;-)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda @egreg has a hierarchy of disdain.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn "Riders on the storm" sounds almost like "raios, onde estou?" in Portuguese. :)

@egreg You are mean. :P

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Ah, ok. I was translating, which didn't help me at all.

tohecz

@egreg if only he wasn't!

Alan Munn

11:54 PM

@tohecz 'on drugs' doesn't quite mean addicted, though. Just 'having some in the system at the moment'. So 'girls on bikinis' can't mean that. Prepositions are such a mess in all languages.

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