@Aegon I'm not sure about this tbh. It seems to me that she genie tricked dany into giving Drogo his "life" back

Given the malice involved, I'm not sure why she would aid her getting the dragons

@JAD Oh drat I misread the question. I thought the OP was asking if Drogo's life was returned in exchange for Rhaego's

rip

drogo, dragon

names

@Aegon If the only part of your answer that actually answers the question is going to redirect to another post, then I suggest you hammer them closed.

Because everything above that last line is entirely unrelated

@Edlothiad Yeah done that, there's no need to answer it separately

:upvote:

Good question though

Broadening that net, I love it!

I thought it to be a different question so I copied the stubs and started editing through to make it apply to "Did Rhaego's life paid for Drogo's"

> Flawed

I don't think the horse contributed, as Mirri said a horse is worthless, I think the third life was Rhaego.

“It is not enough to kill a horse,” she told Dany. “By itself, the blood is nothing. You do not have the words to make a spell, nor the wisdom to find them. Do you think bloodmagic is a game for children? You call me maegi as if it were a curse, but all it means is wise. You are a child, with a child’s ignorance. Whatever you mean to do, it will not work. Loose me from these bonds and I will help you.”

Mirri didn't say the horse was not a suitable sacrifice. Her only objection was that Dany did not have the words

Blood is blood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So Rhaego was just lost property? I find that hard to believe

Rhaego was her revenge

For destroying her temple and killing her people

Ye but so Rhaego's death just goes off untouched

@Edlothiad the many faced god demanded it

Dany accuses Mirri that she knew the price and let her pay it i.e. Rhaego's death

She was a faceless man in secret

But his death still goes off less important than a horse?

Mirri replies that it was wrong of the Dothraki to burn her temple

Again hard to believe

Untouched as in what?

And the result of that death is Drogo's life

I mean, you're suggesting when she needed blood to birth the dragons, she took Khal Drogo's, her lover, her Khal. She took the Blood of Mirri, who killed her son and husband. And the blood of a horse..?

So not the horse's death

@Edlothiad Comment on the same answer: "Well they haven't spelled it out explicitly. Three things she killed were The horse, Mirri and Drogo. Dany didn't walk into the pyre per se. She just got real close until her vest caught fire. Afterwards the pyre just came crashing down at her"

@Edlothiad Well, if you want to mount a dragon, they better be used to being mounted. I guess the horse's blood could help with that

There was no third death recorded other than the horse's. And three dragons were born nonetheless

But the horse and drogo were already dead before going on the pyre

So unless there's a third death (Rhaego doesn't count, he already paid for Drogo), all we have is the horse

I'm guessing Mirri went into Viserion, because he ended up betraying Dany and switching sides

@JAD Dany killed Drogo, though yes admittedly did not burn him alive. And that horse was a different one, not the one already used in Drogo's ritual

But Drogo clearly didn't come back to life

So I believe Dany killing him counts as a sacrifice

@Edlothiad was he even dead to begin with?

Well he wasn't alive...

before the ritual

@Edlothiad When was that?

he was dying, but has he been dead?

Dying != dead

my point

Vegeta-khal Drogo, effectively dead

The sacrifice supposedly would've brought him back to life, but clearly it didn't.

He wasn't getting better was he?

he was alive

@Edlothiad It saved his life and healed the mortal infected wound.

that was the entire point

Effectively dead doesn't exist. It's either 1 or 0

And in Drogo's case, it was 1.

it's like those evil genie tricks. I wish to live. Ok, but you'll live as a potato

Could he ride a horse and lead his khalasar? No? Dead

@Aegon So what about wights? :P

@Edlothiad Rhaego couldn't have ridden a horse or led the Khalasar till he grew up. What was he supposed to be? Dead all his childhood?

@JAD REEEEEEEEEEKKKEKEKEKEKEKEKTKTKTKEKREKREKTKETKEKTKETKEKTEKKTE

That's the worst comparison to make I want to slap you for even suggesting that

@JAD Evil Spirits possessing them remotely :P Not alive at all.

I will stick with my interpretation, of it being Rhaego, because I see no explicit evidence suggesting that can't be an interpretation. Good day.

idk. I don't think it was a concious act of Mirri to birth those dragons. So if Dany lacked the words "killing a horse isn't enough", then how did it happen?

@JAD Because Mirri was bluffing

She was trying to get herself off the hook

Dany didn't fall for it

Aegon's just making up lies to suit his broken interpretation, classic Aeg

So killing a horse is enough?

So there was fear in Mirri's eyes because she knew it would work

I'd expect more resurrections/zombies on westerosi battlefields then :o

HWAKAROO poof up comes Robb.

@Edlothiad “I will,” Dany said, “but it is not your screams I want, only your life. I remember what you told me. Only death can pay for life.” Mirri Maz Duur opened her mouth, but made no reply. As she stepped away, Dany saw that the contempt was gone from the maegi’s flat black eyes; in its place was something that might have been fear.

Mirri's reaction clearly implies that she was bluffing when she said that the horse was not enough and that Dany needed the words

@Edlothiad can you imagine the chaos? Killing someone/thing will resurrect your loved ones (into witless potatoes)

or... she's scared of being burnt alive

@JAD She was pretty defiant in the line before it. "“You will not hear me scream,” Mirri responded as the oil dripped from her hair and soaked her clothing."

AN ARGUMENTATIVE HORDE, ON AN OPEN CHAT, NED!

I doubt Mirri feared for her life. I think it's far more likely Mirri knew the outcome of her death and feared for what her death, and the deaths she caused would bring.

i.e., Drogo & Rhaego

Rhaego third life confirmed, horse is worthless

@Edlothiad I believe that's agreeing with someone in Edlothiadese?

I'm not agreeing with you that the horse was enough for a dragon

@Edlothiad How can Rhaego be the price for both Drogo and Dragons?

@Edlothiad Yes but you are agreeing that Mirri was bluffing?

Cuz he wasn't sufficient for Drogo, Drogo still died

No, that Mirri feared for what her death would cause

@Aegon maybe, since she killed drogo she returned him, got a refund and then spent Rhaego again for dragons

@Edlothiad Cus Dany pushed a cushion into his stupid mug did not she?

(Aeg, you don't need to ping me on every line, I'm here reading the conversation and can put two and two together to make 5)

@JAD Mirri refused to refund. She said that was against the policies

@Edlothiad You got it ;)

Rhaego was refunded. It is known

@Aegon @Aeg I don't think you got it...

maybe it was escalated past Mirri, to a pyre

If we have learnt anything from ASOAIF, anything followed by "It is known" is utter nonsense

Was that enough beeps for you?

@Edlothiad well, idk about y'all, but my chat is muted

Joke's on you, I don't have headphones on

:D

Unless you placing fingers in certain orifices follows the It is known

My sound works only on headphones

Also, Why would Mirri fear what her death would cause if she didn't believe that Dany did not need any words to make the magic work?

> Two kings to wake the dragon. The father first and then the son, so both die kings. The words had been murmured by one of the queen's men as Maester Aemon had cleaned his wounds

EAT IT @Aegon

How's mel's words relevant here?

So 6 kings for 3 dragons

(this doesn't scale well)

Well Robb, Joff, Stannis, Renly, Drogo, Rhaego

BOOM!

It is known

Oh boo

The internet's opinion is on my side, go an weep in your sheets aeg

I am gonna go weep all over my lunch

Everyone knows the internet never lies

Ok I'm going back to work

Is it worrying that aeg is several hours ahead of me and has lunch only 1 hour before me :/

Huh when do you guys have lunch? For us its 1300 to 1400. I usually eat at 1340 something

Mine is 12:30 to 13:30

12:00-12:30

RIP only 30 mins

:P

:shrugs:

11:30-12:12

11:30? That's early. My job starts at 11

Start at 11? You lazy get

Haha yeah 11 to 8.

Most people however start at 9 and finish at 6.

I'll let you off then :P

I'm 9-5:30 so "normal" times

Awesome. IT companies here don't really consider the 1 hour lunch break as part of the working hours so it becomes 9:00-6:00 instead of 9:00-5:00

Yeah I believe the lunch break isn't part of my working hours

They just don't "add" anything onto the shift though

This guy thinks Rhaego's the third sacrifice

@TheLethalCarrot I do 8:30-16:30

I'd rather do that so more of the day was usable but we don't have flexi time here

You must wake up like 6:45 or 7:00 AM every day. Is it possible to learn this power?

alarm goes off 6:15

I get out at :30

Teach me senpai

I've had to do that this week and I must admit it started out easy but is getting harder haha

It helps to have someone kick you out of bed for snoozing too long

Also, I used to do that back in highschool too. Had to wake at similar time

I'm a heavy sleeper so my gf generally punches me to try and wake me up for my alarms, doesn't work too well haha

Only reason I took 11:00-8:00 is because I can't wake up early. I rarely sleep before 3:30 or 4 in the morning

@TheLethalCarrot same

When I was living at student's home, I slept through a fire alarm twice. I'm in a coma when I sleep

Sounds exactly like me haha

I generally sleep through every alarm, when I was still living at my mum and dads most days I'd be fast asleep next to an alarm and my mum or dad would come from the other side of the house cos it woke them up haha

lol

Now I just get punched, shook or kicked... whatever it takes haha

Though I'm usually awake around 8 nowadays

@Edlothiad tinfoil hat on what if dany is the third one?

I mean, she was ready to sacrifice herself

i don't think she knew at 100% that she will wake up with dragons

@TheLethalCarrot It would appear you get the UK standard 30 minutes free, and then 30 minutes talked on (to make it 9-5:30)

@Kepotx She promised Jorah she wouldn't die.

@Edlothiad Maybe, though we do 9-5 on Fridays

@JAD 7:30-16:30, I guess JAD is lazy too

@Aegon Be disciplined, get to bed by 10:30 try to sleep by 11, if you do stay out later, have plenty of beer to help you sleep quicker. Set an alarm every minute for 10 minutes with an app that starts checking the depth of your sleep 30 minutes before you wake up, so when you're in a light sleep in knocks you awake and you snooze until the minute by minute ones

Although I guess once uni starts again, 6:30 is going to become 8:30 and I'm going to be racing to lectures

"have plenty of beer to help you sleep quicker"

:D

Oh I didn't realise you were halal