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Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
2:26 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, I told you about how the Devata Kanda Sutras are lost, but I forgot to mention one slight complication. Sometime relatively recently, I think in the 1800's, several manuscripts were discovered, which had the title "Sankarsha Kanda". If you remember, Sankarsha Kanda is the other name for the Devata Kanda Sutras.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan yes i remember, was it a collection of aphorisms of the sutra style? Does it match the language state of Purva Mimamsa Sutras and Brahma Sutras?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan But don't get too excited! The text that was discovered was not focused on the gods at all. Instead it's a text focused on the details of Yagnas, just like the Purva Mimamsa Sutras.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Do we know why it is labelled Sankarsha Kanda then?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan However, one of the five Sutras I mentioned appears in the text, namely "Na Na Va Devata Pritaktvat". But the other four Sutras don't appear, and apart from that one line and the title "Sankarsha Kanda" the text seems to have no connection to the Devata Kanda Sutras. So it's weird.
@LakshmiNarayanan No, it's a mystery.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan what gives!
@KeshavSrinivasan Where was it discovered?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
2:35 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan I'm not sure, all I know is that multiple manuscripts were independently discovered. Those manuscripts didn't just include the Sutra text, they also included two commentaries on the Sutra text. The commentaries are written by Devaswami and Bhaskararaya.
@LakshmiNarayan That brings me to another strange thing. Devaswami is listed as one of the commentators on the unified Mimamsa Shastra in that quote from the Prapancha Hridayam I showed you earlier.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah, i was looking at the same post too, it is not mentioned in the quote you shared.
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan "On this Mimamsa Shastra of 20 chapters, Bodhayana wrote a Bhashya that bore the name Krtakoti. Fearing that the great length of this commentary would cast it into oblivion, Upavarsha somewhat abridged it. Even this commentary might be considered too voluminous for study by people of dull wit - fearing thus, Devasvamin considerably abridged Upavarsha's already abridged commentary."
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan oh spelling difference!
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan Yeah, I just spelled it with a w rather than a v while typing it informally.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Bhaskara == Bhaskararaya?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
2:41 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan There's a whole bunch of figures in Indian history called Bhaskara. There's Bhaskara the commentator on the Brahma Sutras, there's an astronomer named Bhaskara, there's a Shakta philosopher named Bhaskararaya, etc.
@LakshmiNarayanan I'm not sure who this Sankarsha Kanda commentator Bhaskararaya is.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan ok, so potentially another Bhaskara namely this Bhaskararaya
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, the best website to refer to for this stuff is agnim.com It's a website devoted entirely to compiling every bit of information or documents we have related to the Devata Kanda Sutras.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Thanks, i have bookmarked it.
@KeshavSrinivasan Hopefully we discover something valuable and are in a position to read it within our lifetimes!
@KeshavSrinivasan Someone should translate the inferred sutras from Devasvamin's work from sanskrit to english.
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan Before I came across agnim.com I thought I was the only one with a Devata Kanda Sutras obsession. But the proprietor of the website is even more obsessed than me, haha
@LakshmiNarayanan Yeah, that would be good.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
In the first chapter the 'purpose' of all special mantras in propounding
the essence of devatAs is given. The second explains the fact that
deities invoked by mantras are what is left of the Veda after vidhi,
arthavAda, etc. In the third, the adornment of the essence of devatAs
with no qualities or with qualities such as incarnation at will, etc. is
illuminated. The fourth determines the benefits of worshipping
devatAs--such as attaining power and joy from the splendor of residing
in the various heavens by the grace of the various devatAs. So,
@KeshavSrinivasan lol
@KeshavSrinivasan For good reason!
@KeshavSrinivasan Remember my question on why one would potentially prefer boons from Devatas than the post of Devatas itself? Seems like chapter 4 has the answer.
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
3:01 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, that summary of the chapters of the Devata Kanda Sutras from the Sarvamatasangraha bears absolutely no relation to the Sankarsha Kanda manuscripts that have been found. That's what makes those manuscripts so weird.
@LakshmiNarayanan Yeah, it would be such a cool text to read if only it still existed.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh!
 
Pandya
Pandya
@KeshavSrinivasan Do you have a list of all Sampradaya with name, philosophy, chief expounders, supreme deity, Vedic/non-vedic etc.?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Pandya No, I don't have a systematic list, Wikipedia may have things like that though. But I can try to tell you whatever info about different sects you want.
 
Pandya
Pandya
@KeshavSrinivasan ok. Thanks, I suggest you to write (in your free time) information in systematic manner i.e in tabular form etc. and then share it to users like me so-that we can get very useful information. (We can trust you more than Wikipedia! Haha)
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Pandya The four Vaishnava Sampradyams are Brahma Samparadayams, Sri Samparadyam, Rudra Sampradayam, and Kumara Sampradayam. Brahma Sampradayam contains the Madhwa sect and the Gaudiya Vaishnava sect. Sri Sampradayam contains the Sri Vaishnava sect, the Swaminarayan sect, and the Ramanandi sect. Rudra Sampradayam contained Vishnuswami's sect and Vallabhacharya's sect, which may be one and the same. Kumara Sampradayam contains Nimbarkacharya's sect.
 
Pandya
Pandya
3:12 AM
Better to make a document/file comprising the information.
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Pandya Madhwas believe in Dvaita, Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe in Achintya Bhedabheda, Sri Vaishnavas believe in Visistadvaita, Swaminarayan people believe in Panchatattva Visistadvaita, Ramanandis believe in some flavor of Visistadvaita which I know nothing about, Vallabhacharya people believe in Shuddhadvaita, and Nimbarkacharya believed in Dvaitadvaita.
@Pandya Yeah, I could make a document.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@Pandya Beware! there is no purposeful causation here! right @KeshavSrinivasan?
 
Pandya
Pandya
@KeshavSrinivasan ok. Thanks. You may also include other sampradaya (than Vaishnava) which you know about.
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Pandya Yeah, I know three popular Shaivite sects: Shaiva Siddhanta, Kashmiri Shaivism, and Lingayatisn (aka Veerashaivism). There's also Pashupata and Siddha Siddhanta, which are Shaivite sects which are not very popular. And Shaktas have two Paramparas: Srikula and Kalikula. The Sri Vidya sect belongs Srikula.
 
Pandya
Pandya
> Introduction to Hindu Sampradaya by Keshav Srinivasan
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
3:18 AM
@Pandya Haha
 
Pandya
Pandya
@KeshavSrinivasan instead of writing here, I recommend you to make a document.
So-that you can share whenever and no need to write again and again
Take enough time you require :)
Thanks.
 
SS.
SS.
@Tezz @TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan @Pandya DO you have the english translation of Suta samhita of Skanda purana?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Pandya Haha yeah, I do tend to repeat a lot of info, so a document might save me some trouble.
@Pandya By the way, some Sampradayams would be complicated to write about. Look at all the info about Kashmiri Shaivism I included in my question here:
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Q: Who are all the Gurus of Abhinavagupta and what Paramparas did they come from?

Keshav SrinivasanGenerally, Vaishnavas follow the Pancharatra Agamas, Shaivites follow the Shaiva Agamas, and Shaktas follow the Shaiva Agamas. But long ago, there was a group of people in Kashmir who followed the Shakta Agamas but adopted Shiva as their Ishta Devata. That group evolved into what we now call Kash...

history shaivism guru tantra kashmiri-shaivism
 
Tezz
Tezz
@SS. No, I have only in Sanskrit...
 
SS.
SS.
@Tezz kashi khanda of suta samhita. Do you have it?
 
Tezz
Tezz
3:31 AM
@SS. by Kashi Khanda do you mean Mukti Khanda?...
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Yes an almanac would be good, you could probably release it on Amazon for Kindle as well.
 
SS.
SS.
@Tezz In which khanda is suta samhita part of ?
 
Tezz
Tezz
@SS. there are two classifications of Skandha Purana one by Khandas and one by Samhitas...
4
Q: What is the correspondence between Khandas and Samhitas in the Skanda Purana?

Keshav SrinivasanAs far as I know, the only unabridged English translation of the Skanda Purana is the translation published by Motilal Banarsidass, which you can read here. As you can see from the Table of Contents here, it is divided into seven Khandas or sections: the Maheshwara Khanda, the Vaishnava Khanda, ...

puranas translation-request skanda-purana
 
SS.
SS.
@Tezz I am looking for Suta samhita.
 
Tezz
Tezz
@SS. It is avaliable in Sanskrit in archive with tika of Vidyaranya too...
@TheDestroyer Some months ago you were thinking Lord Venkateshwara is like Shiva... like Ishwara name in end.. snakes in hand etc... I found that Venkateshwara is considered Hari-Hara form by Alwars... dravidaveda.org/… @SS. @LakshmiNarayanan @KeshavSrinivasan
 
SS.
SS.
3:49 AM
@TheDestroyer Were you thinking Venkateshwara is Shiva because he has Ishwara in the end and wearing sakes?
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@Tezz Let me check this out, very interesting find!
 
Tezz
Tezz
@LakshmiNarayanan yeah you may check commentary too as you understand Tamil...
@SS. not 'is Shiva' but 'is like Shiva'... haha..
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@Tezz It is part of Mundram ThiruvandhAdhi of PeyAzhwar
 
SS.
SS.
@Tezz Due to this, shaivas argued that the deity in Tirumala is Shiva. You might know that.
 
Tezz
Tezz
@SS. yeah I know it and Sri Ramanuja solved the problem...
@LakshmiNarayanan Oh ok...
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
3:54 AM
@Tezz This Sri Vaishnava website say that this verse is not talking about Venkateshwara: moonramayiram.blogspot.com/p/munram-thiruvandhadhi.html
 
SS.
SS.
@LakshmiNarayanan Which verse of Moondram Tiruvandhaadi?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
emberumAn takes several avatAras and one of them is SankaranArAyaNa avatAra. It is also called harihara avatAra. It is half Sankara and half nArAyaNa. To a Bakta His avatAras are very enjoyable.

tirumalaimEl endaikku irANDuruvum onrAi isaindu tOnrum—Even very learned men comment on this line as—in the vigraha of vEngaDanAtha both the form of Siva and nArAyaNa are seen. He has jaTAmuDi, kireeTa, mazhu, chakra, nAgABaraNa and ponnAN. Hence He is Sankara nArAyaNa only. This interpretation is totally wrong since the moorti does not have any sign of Siva swaoopa. It is Sreeman nArAyaNa alone wi…
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Was just about to post this!
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok...
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan tiruvanandAzhwAn is a nice name for AnantaShesha :D
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
3:59 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan Haha yeah, the Tamil names are nice, like Senai Mudhaliar, Chakrathalwar, etc.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Not to forget Periya Thiruvadi and Siriya Thiruvadi!
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
4:18 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan Oh yeah, those are two other good ones. I don't know who came up with those two names. Maybe they're from the Alwars' poems.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
4:40 AM
@KeshavSrinivasan Maybe this sheds some light -> ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/jan2001/0102.html
 
Pandya
Pandya
5:08 AM
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan I know why they're called that, I just don't know who named them.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan oh ok
 
Pandya
Pandya
Do you know what is Shanti Gita? @KeshavSrinivasan @Tezz ?
It has 8 Adhyaya.
I found "ब्रह्म सत्यं जगन्मिथ्या" (which is difficult to find in scriptures) in 3.13th verse. @TheDestroyer
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
5:28 AM
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@Tezz good verse.
@Pandya which purana has Shanti Gita?
 
Tezz
Tezz
@Pandya who wrote that..?...
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@Pandya What does this mean?
 
Tezz
Tezz
I first time heard of Shanti Gita.. the last part is as:इत्यध्यात्मविद्यायां योगशास्त्रे श्रीवासुदेवार्जुनसंवादे
शान्तिगीतायामष्टमोऽध्यायः ॥८॥
 
Pandya
Pandya
@TheDestroyer I don't know that's why I'm asking if you know /cc @Tezz
@LakshmiNarayanan I've included the link.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
5:46 AM
@Pandya cool didn't see it there first, thanks!
 
 
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SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
7:47 AM
4
Q: Veda, Upanishad and the Physical Universe

SRSI haven't read the Veda or Upanishad (and other Hindu scriptures). But I'm eager to know whether it does offer any account of how the universe came into existence?

hindu india
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
8:27 AM
@SS - What is mean by ss? is it Shree Sharan 🙇
 
S S
S S
8:58 AM
@SwiftPushkar Haha.
I explained the reason already
Apr 12 at 17:34, by Sree Charan
@Pandya Do you watch harry potter movies? They are the initials of a wizard in one of the movies
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS - ok , remembered 😀👍👍
 
 
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SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
12:37 PM
4
Q: Why don't husbands change their dress code after wife's death like the women who wear white saree after husband's death?

Sakthi Wife at the time of husbands death wear white saree and does not put Kunkumam on her forehead. She also does not participate in certain functions and seeing her is considered as a Bad Omen. Husbands don't change their life style even in a small way. QUESTION : Why husbands don't change their...

rituals practice marriage tradition widow
Can we argue that this is because of Nature of work or duties of males of 4 varnas. i.e. A brahmana's duty as a priest or guru ,or teacher reaquires him to maintain special dress code at the time of puja or in Guru-kula. Similarly Kshatriya's need to be ever prepared for warfare i.e. they need to wear spicial protection (armor) during war time so they can't discard that dress code
Similarly Vaisya's needed to travel a lot for bussiness so inorder to protect themselves of heat ,cold , wind etc. during travel they needed a good clothing all the time.Males generally stays more outside and in social environment than women , that's also one of the reason.
@Tezz @TheDestroyer @Pandya @SS @KeshavSrinivasan - n all ⬆⬆
 
Tezz
Tezz
@SwiftPushkar I'm not sure whether Dharma Shastras actually tell to change dress for women... or it just culture...
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@Tezz - Yes , i too think this is more related to culture , 👍 i am just trying to find more practical reason , although women's work also involved lot of interaction with nature in the past.Male domination might be a factor.
 
Pandya
Pandya
@SwiftPushkar Duplicate of hinduism.stackexchange.com/q/8508/277 ?
 
Tezz
Tezz
@Pandya how is that question related to Universe?...
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@Pandya - 😊 Yes , exactly , talking about Creation 🌏🌙🌟⚡⛈🔥💧🐶🌷🌞👫
 
Pandya
Pandya
12:48 PM
@SwiftPushkar I think the question is opinion based he should ask instead "Why do women change dress code to white saari?". (How about closing it as opinion based? @TheDestroyer @Tezz)
 
Tezz
Tezz
@Pandya if you are talking of previous question... It's of Mythology SE not Hinduism SE...😀😀
 
Pandya
Pandya
@SwiftPushkar oh mythology.SE!
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@Pandya -,yes ,on mythology SE 👍
 
Pandya
Pandya
@Tezz yes, when I don't find close button I checked whether I'm logged in or not and find "join this community" then I checked site and realized what you've said! Haha
 
Tezz
Tezz
@Pandya haha... 😀😀
 
Pandya
Pandya
12:51 PM
It's due to having blue icon because both are betas.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@Pandya - I am not sure , I don't think women choosed that option themselves but was somehow the law came into exsistance because of lot's of factor's like foregein invasion etc.
 
Pandya
Pandya
Yes but I think Why do.... is more suitable question then Why don't.....
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@Pandya - Historical record's might help ,like does all the women of the society accepted this or only some portion of it , or some previous records from mythology i.e. a famous character done this and the tradition got followed from that personality.
 
Pandya
Pandya
Yes.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
1:10 PM
@Pandya - haha yes , both are beta
@SS - I guess that Iravati river mentioned in MB is "Ravi" river which originates in Himachal Predesh - see -en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravi_River part of sapta sindhu region, and not that of burma .👍
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
1:30 PM
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Q: Why do widows wear white sarees after their husband's death?

GaneshAfter the death of a man (husband), the wife (widow) is not allowed to wear bangles, kumkum (sindhur) and is asked to wear white saree & shave her head. Is there any reference for such a practice in scriptures? And what is the purpose of such a custom?

rituals culture marriage customs widow
@Pandya look like opinion based but not sure.
 
S S
S S
@SwiftPushkar Oh! I didn't know that.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS - Yes I too searced & found that there are 2 rivers one from sapta-sindhu & one which is totally different i.e.from burma 😊👍👍
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar There's a Ravi river in JK which is tributary of Sindhu river.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - Yes 👍😊
 
S S
S S
The river in the question is ऐरावती but in the Bharata, it is इरावति
Is the pronunciation Airaavati correct?
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
1:59 PM
@SS - Yes ,that pranounsation "Airavati" ऎरावती" is correct ,because that river name is associated with Indras elephant airavat 😊👍🐘
 
S S
S S
@SwiftPushkar Airavat is white. :D
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS - haha 😀 👍👍 BTW nice find , keep it up , it's obvious with similar names , very excellent try👍
 
S S
S S
@SwiftPushkar I deleted that answer
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar Is this partial answer?
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A: Is Lord Shani Harmful ? OR a Friend?

SwiftPushkarWe find a nice description about Shani-Deva in our puranas like Skanda Purana & Padma purana. Puranas tells us that Shani Deva is sun's son. He gained favour of Lord Mahadeva. And Lord Mahadeva granted him the status of planet. He is also called in puranas as "Sauri" or "Surishwara". He is said...

 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS - Yes ,I saw that ,but you did really tried well for finding sources👍😊
@TheDestroyer - No , i deliberately avoided to comment about Shani-Deva being Harmful or friend ,it depends uopn situation and personal opinions of people & astrologer's , instead i have shown that he is having downward look & is a fierce deity👍👍
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
2:07 PM
@SwiftPushkar Ok. Looks like it answers only how to please Shani Deva? Will see once again.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - Yes , i will recheck question & will edit accordingly as i previously said ,there are still some points left to be discussed in the answer😊👍
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar Ok. But good answer, you answered from many Puranas.😊
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
2:21 PM
@TheDestroyer - Thanks bro 😊👍👍💐
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
2:39 PM
anyone have excerpts on how Purva Mimamsa handles the concept/ideal of FreeWill?
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - I think we safely can close the Guru question as duplicate , as the core enquiry is the same & the vidya without guru shines or not is primarily opinion based cause people could argue Yes , no , don't know , could be , not everytime etc.
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar Initiate the close vote. I will use my vote if it gets at least 3-4 votes.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@LakshmiNarayanan - Hii , haven't gone through "Purva-Mimamsa" yet 😊 @Tezz knows more abt.PM & @KeshavSrinivasan also
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@SwiftPushkar Ok cool, Thank you!
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - Ok 👍👍
@LakshmiNarayanan - Hey hey , pls.do not everytime say thanks ,its nor necessary 😊👍
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
2:44 PM
@SwiftPushkar Haha ok, force of habit :)
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@LakshmiNarayanan - ok 😀
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@SwiftPushkar btw check out the new room, i have curated basics of PM -> chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/59075/purva-mimamsa-patashala still long way to go :)
 
S S
S S
3:20 PM
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
3:31 PM
@SS - 😀😀 like that cat 🌍🐈 & I think Australia is a mouse 🐀🐁🐭 with which the cat is playing 😂
 
S S
S S
@SwiftPushkar A ball or a mouse. Based on our view point.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS - Yeah , it's a ball actually ,i just brought mouse in that pic.with imagination
 
S S
S S
@SwiftPushkar Your imagination is good.
Not many has a different point of view.
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan As far as I know, Purva Mimamsa works don't discuss free will much, but they do believe in it. It's only the Vedanta school that puts qualifications on it and reconciles it with Brahman's will and all that.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS - haha , mine is like 5 year's old 🚶 , pretty basic
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
3:40 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh Ok, I was wondering if Mimamsakas believe that Karma is a mindless law in its essential operation, then how is there room for a concept like freewill?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan Well, they thought humans could do whatever they wanted, and then the Universe would just mindlessly give rewards or punishments to the person based on that.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan So would it then be right to conceive of Karma as an equilibrating principle is something that Mimamsakas believed in?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan No, they didn't link Karma to equilibrium. They just thought that when you did any action, it would create an Apurva or an unseen thing. And then at some point that Apurva would result in you experiencing a certain fruit.
@LakshmiNarayanan And they believed, just as the Vedanta school believes, that there is no way of predicting how long it takes for an Apurva to bear fruit.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Ok, what is the order of texts your recommend to read up Purva Mimamsa?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan In the Purva Mimamsa worldview there is the visible world and the invisible world. Whenever you do an action, that action has physical effects in the visible world, but it also has unseen effects in the invisible world. And they thought that Sabda Pramana was the only way of knowing what unseen effects actions have in the unseen world.
@LakshmiNarayanan The most important thing to read is Shabara's Bhashya on he Purva Mimamsa Sutras.
@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, I should tell you that most of the Purva Mimamsa Sutras is extremely boring; it deals with technical details of various Yagnas. What's interesting to read are the parts that deal with interesting philosophical subjects rather than technical details of Yagnas.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
3:58 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan Are these philosophical subjects interspersed or collected together in certain portions of Shabara's Bhashya?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan In some sense Purva Mimamsa was a ritualist school first and a philosophical school second.
@LakshmiNarayanan The most important philosophical stuff occupies the first few Adhyayas of the Purva Mimamsa Sutras. And then after that various philosophical topics are scattered through the remainder of the text.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Yes, it seems to have been their downfall as well.
@KeshavSrinivasan Ok cool, I have pulled Vol I from archive, let me see if i am capable of reading these source texts so to speak.
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan I have all three volumes of Shabara's Bhashya on Google Drive. Here's volume 1: gdurl.com/PG8Z/download Here's volume 2: gdurl.com/Wt0M/download And here's volume 3: gdurl.com/NTJQ/download
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh cool, thanks!
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan The first volume has Adhyayas 1-3. Out of that, I would suggest that you just read Adhyaya 1. That's the important philosophical stuff I mentioned.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
4:10 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah, given my reading speed, Adhyaya 1 is gonna keep me occupied for a while.
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan After that, to navigate to the other philosophical parts you can use Ganganath Jha's book "Purva Mimamsa in its Sources": archive.org/details/PurvaMimamsaInItsSourcesDr.GanganathJha
 
Krishn Shweta
Krishn Shweta
@SwiftPushkar @Tezz @KeshavSrinivasan Hellos
@LakshmiNarayanan Anuvaramban?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@KrishnShweta Hi
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan cool
@KrishnShweta yeah
 
Krishn Shweta
Krishn Shweta
@KeshavSrinivasan :)
 
Tezz
Tezz
4:15 PM
@KrishnShweta hlw... long time to see you...
 
Krishn Shweta
Krishn Shweta
@LakshmiNarayanan Aw!! I thought you are a girl :D
@Tezz Yeah.. :)
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@KrishnShweta You may be interested in my question here about the Rudra Sampradayam of Vaishnavism, since that's what your family belongs to:
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Q: What surviving works of the Rudra Sampradayam are there before Vallabhacharya?

Keshav SrinivasanAs I discuss in my question here, Vishnu is said to have taught the principles of Vaishnavism to four disciples: Lakshmi, Brahma, Shiva and Sanatkumara. And in turn they started the four main Sampradayas or traditions of Vaishnavism: Sri Sampradayam (which I belong to), Brahma Sampradayam, Rudra ...

vishnu history vaishnavism sects pushti-marga
 
Krishn Shweta
Krishn Shweta
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh!! OK..
@SS Sree Charan?
@TheDestroyer Hi
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KrishnShweta LOL just got what you meant!
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KrishnShweta lot's of things have changed here... 😀😂😂
 
Krishn Shweta
Krishn Shweta
4:18 PM
@LakshmiNarayanan ^^
@Tezz Is he sree charan or someone else?
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@KrishnShweta - Yes , Hii .💐
@KrishnShweta - 😀😀
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KrishnShweta yeah he is Sree Charan... he is one but people call him by different names...😀😀
 
Krishn Shweta
Krishn Shweta
Oh!!
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@Tezz - एकं श्री चरण व्यक्ति: विप्रा बहुदा वदन्ति 😀👍👍
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The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@Tezz lol. Good one. Ekam Sreecharan vipra bahuda Vadanti.
@SwiftPushkar ohh.. i didn't see your message.
But both of us said same thing.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
4:24 PM
@TheDestroyer - Hey hey , that is a terrible coincidence ,we said exactly same thing ☺👍👍
 
Tezz
Tezz
@SwiftPushkar @TheDestroyer haha...lol...😁😁😁
@SwiftPushkar once again coincidence...
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@Tezz - 😀 @TheDestroyer - but i have added one word Vyakti = person 👍
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar yeah 😀 .
 
Tezz
Tezz
@SwiftPushkar @TheDestroyer it is Shakha bheda... haha...😀😀
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@Tezz - haha , Vyakti bheda also 👬
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
4:28 PM
@Tezz Kala Bheda on Hinduism SE!
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - BTW , I laughed a lot on your "Vastu-Dosha" comment 👌👌
 
Tezz
Tezz
@TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar haha... 😀😀
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar yeah. But i don't know why i have that problem.
@SS Do you watch GOT?
 
Krishn Shweta
Krishn Shweta
@KeshavSrinivasan Vallabha believed in Shuddadvaita. Right?
 
S S
S S
@KrishnShweta sree charan who?
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
4:34 PM
@TheDestroyer - Anyway I liked your linkage of that problem with room & Over here people generally blame vastu for most of their problems , it's also a fact , here people spend good lot of money on vastu dosha nivaran & a florshing bussiness here 😀
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
14 mins ago, by Tezz
@KrishnShweta yeah he is Sree Charan... he is one but people call him by different names...😀😀
 
S S
S S
@TheDestroyer No.I don't watch it. Why?
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar Same here too.
@SS Ok. I saw your answer on Eddard Stark. Thought you would watch.
 
S S
S S
@TheDestroyer Are you interested in GOT?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@KrishnShweta Yeah, he did.
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
4:37 PM
@SS Nothing like that. I watch it. I asked Keshav, he said he won't watch it.
 
S S
S S
@TheDestroyer Google, YouTube undagaa show mottam choodatam enduku mitrama?
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SS ok 👍👍.
 
Krishn Shweta
Krishn Shweta
@KeshavSrinivasan And his acharya believed in dvaita. Interesting :)
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - Do you personally believe in that , I am absolutely not . Yeah but believe in praying of vastu purusha , i like that concept well.👍
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar Yes. I believe in Vastu Sastra. It's an ancient Science by us. But i don't blindly believe in only one Pundit. I check with multiple pundits.
@SwiftPushkar I think Subtle rays or flow of energies decide things here. we are not able to see them with normal eyes.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
4:41 PM
@TheDestroyer - No ,I am with Vastu Shastra ,but asking only about things like vastu dosha & spirit's roming in vastu etc.
@TheDestroyer - Yeah ,its true👍
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar Best way to get rid of all Vastu Doshas is to perform "Vastu Puja" before starting any construction. One Puja and and no Dosha.
@SwiftPushkar what spirit?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@KrishnShweta Yeah, at least some people argue that before the time of Vallabhacharya, Rudra Sampradayam people believed in some kind of dualistic philosophy. But Vallabhacharya's followers dispute that; they think Rudra Sampradayam has always believed in Shuddhadvaita.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - yeah , generally we all do that , & spirit's means the once who is in the past associated with that vastu ,who still rome there etc. This theory is quite popular here , even in educated people that some evil spirit's are there in their homes , my mom also think's so 😂😂 offcourse without any need or proof 😂😂
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, you may be interested in reading my Purva Mimamsa questions: hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/purva-mimamsa They contains lots of information and quotes from Purva Mimamsa works.
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar ohh.. Actually there's a possibility. We call it dayyam or Bhootam. But chances are less. Only those who still have unfulfilled desires stay there as Bhootams.
 
S S
S S
4:49 PM
@SwiftPushkar Evil spirits exist.
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SS Yes. They have Sukshma Sareera. Instead of going to Pitru Loka they stay here on Bhuloka.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - ok , we also call them bhoota , preta etc ,but the spirits i am talking abt.not necessarily means evil once , but some atmas whose mind was deeply connected with that vastu previously or ancestors whose that vastu was.
@SS - Yes , I do believe in them ,since our scripures confirms that 😊👍👍
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar never heard of bhutas and pretas connection with vastu.
Will those Atmas stay in certain lands or houses as they like those houses or lands?
 
S S
S S
@TheDestroyer Like haunted mansions I guess.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - no they do not necessarily bhootas & pretas ,but just unliberated souls wandering
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
4:55 PM
@SS But I think Haunted mansions have nothing to do with vastu.
@SwiftPushkar @SS Can Vastu sastra identify bhoota, Preta and Pisacha in houses or lands?
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS - yes a kind of , but not necessarily ghost presence as @TheDestroyer said some energies also
 
Chinmay Sarupria
Chinmay Sarupria
Oh nice, ghost discussion going on!
 
S S
S S
@TheDestroyer Like you said before, they live in that place or a house because they were connected to those places when they were living.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - ohh ,quite interesting , Atharvaved is also having lots of charms related to drive away those creature's
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SS Yes. But what is connection with Vastu? Some Bhoota or Ghost finder can only say that.
 
S S
S S
4:57 PM
@TheDestroyer No vastu shastra has nothing to do with ghosts.
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SS Even i think the same.
@ChinmaySarupria I heard Rajastan has a village affected with Ghosts. No one dares to enter that village. Is that true?
 
S S
S S
@TheDestroyer There are some ways to find out spirits in a home. I have read an article about it when I modified a question related to it.
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SS recently, i watched a film on Ghosts. l7 movie
Good movie by new director and actors.
 
S S
S S
Title itself is 17? No captions?
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@ChinmaySarupria - haha yes , topic of your intrest ,I think , i remember our previous discussion 😊👍
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
5:03 PM
@SS The movie says those who born with same Rasi and same time and place (not actually possible), shouldn't meet each other. If those two persons meet each other, one will die within 24 hours.
 
Lakshmi Narayanan
Lakshmi Narayanan
@KeshavSrinivasan That's where i started to develop interest, i am absorbing few questions/answers daily.
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SS Yeah. L7.
 
S S
S S
@TheDestroyer Oh! I vaguely remember it. Low budget movie isn't it?
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SS Yeah. Did you watch it?
But good try. A Swamiji kills one girl to save another girl.
 
S S
S S
@TheDestroyer Seven look alikes. Of them, two are born at the same time. They meet. Ide kada storyline.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
5:06 PM
@TheDestroyer - Also there is movie in which person's gets Mobile message about their death & they do die ,but offcourse heroine survives & a famous ghost movie about a hotel room ,cant remember the names of two but i watched them On HBO & Star Movie's 📺 May be @AnkitSharma helps
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SS Yeah.
 
S S
S S
No I didn't watch it.
@SwiftPushkar try remembering plot, description of the characters, year you watched. Then post an Identify this movie question on M&TV.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - oh , is it a real thing or just created for movie?
@SS - haha , that's a nice option , but only when google fails , i will try to find names ..wait ✋
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar Don't know. Swamiji says Iswara doesn't make two persons to born at same place and time, even twins, but Iswara will take away one life if they meet each other. It's interesting. But no one can born at same place. Every point has unique latitude and longitude.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@TheDestroyer - oh ,ok , but its possible even chances are million 2 one & from same place i.e. astrology considers longitude & latitude of whole village or whole city as one & no precise calculations are considered 👍👍
@KeshavSrinivasan - Who is Vishnuswami of Rudra sampradaya?
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
5:25 PM
@SwiftPushkar Vishnuswami was an ancient Acharya belonging to the Rudra Sampradayam. He built the famous Kanchipuram Varadaraja temple. Vallabhacharya's followers claim that Vallabhacharya belonged to the Guru Parampara of Vishnuswami, but some people dispute that.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@KeshavSrinivasan - oh ok , according to one site -" It is even said that Vishnuswami was born in the Dravida country after the completion of the sacrifice of Janamejaya around the beginnining of Kali-yuga." , surprised to know that he belongs to that period - gaudiyahistory.iskcondesiretree.com/vishnu-swami
 
Ankit Sharma
Ankit Sharma
@SwiftPushkar lol
Anyway I don't know that
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@SwiftPushkar Well, considering that he built the Kanchipuram Varadaraja temple, and the Alwars discuss the Kanchipuram Varadaraja temple in their poems, he must have lived a pretty long time ago. By the way, traditional Sri Vaushnava accounts say that the Alwars lived in the end of the Dwapara Yuga and the beginning of the Kali Yuga.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@AnkitSharma - That hotel room movie is abt.a haunted hotel room which they sealed off , but one customer insists they warn him but he still insists & experiences horrors , the room itself is a evil-spirit , but finally he came out , previously nobody does 😀
 
Ankit Sharma
Ankit Sharma
no idea
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
5:36 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan - oh ,Yeah ,I also was surprised to see that ,most Vaishnav saint's of Maharashtra are born after 12th century .Its amazing that some of the alwars are from those period , pretty long history 👍👍
 
Chinmay Sarupria
Chinmay Sarupria
@TheDestroyer Yeah Bhangarh fort in Rajasthan is thought to be a haunted place
@TheDestroyer Even in Kumbalgarh fort, there is an area where people are not allowed to enter after evening.
and villagers report that they hear some strange sounds and if anyone dares to enter, they won't return
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
 
Ankit Sharma
Ankit Sharma
k
 
Chinmay Sarupria
Chinmay Sarupria
@SwiftPushkar I watched 1408 on JioCinema
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@ChinmaySarupria - oh ok 👍
 
Chinmay Sarupria
Chinmay Sarupria
5:42 PM
@SwiftPushkar @TheDestroyer But the moment you read Swami Vivekananda's Complete Works, all haunted places seems like spiritual gardens lol where you can go and meditate.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@ChinmaySarupria - Yes , downloaded that whole vol. but haven't gone through them , but will read later on , BTW what's it says about supernatural phenomenons?
 
Chinmay Sarupria
Chinmay Sarupria
@SwiftPushkar There was a haunted garden in America, people stopped him from going there but he went and meditated there for 1 hour. He met ghosts a lot more times, once he prayed that a ghost be released from earthly plane, he never saw that ghost ever again.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@ChinmaySarupria - Oh i see , thats wonderful power he had , so Swami Vivekananda personally took this experience , ok 👍👍
Ok all GN ,Bye Tc .. will sleep ..👍💐
 
Krishn Shweta
Krishn Shweta
@SwiftPushkar Good night.
@RakeshJoshi Hi
@RakeshJoshi Are you going to answer this question? If yes, ping me after answering.
 
 
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Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
11:41 PM
@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, I emailed the proprietor of the agnim.com website to ask whether he had an English translation of the Sankarsha Kanda text found in those manuscripts, and he sent me an incredibly bizarre email in response. Apparently he's one of those New Age people who believe in Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
@LakshmiNarayanan I forwarded you the email.
 

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