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5:51 AM

@Tezz @KeshavSrinivasan @KrishnShweta @TheDestroyer - Hii all ,Good morning 🌷

@Tezz - From yesterdays my questions and your reply on Purva mimansa sutras - "it's Objectors Argument for Vedas not being Eternal.. and it is refuted in Sutra 7..." Ohh got it that means one is question and another is answer.Thanks for explanation.☺

@KeshavSrinivasan - "read Shabara's commentary. You can read all three volumes of Shabara's commentary here:" Yes , i will also read Shabara commentry , as told by you .Very thanks for the links ☺

@Mr_Green - Hii & GM to you also ☺

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar Vanakkam

@KeshavSrinivasan - "Vanakkam" 💐

@SwiftPushkar Good Morning

@KeshavSrinivasan vanakkam

Keshav Srinivasan

@Mr_Green Vanakkam

Keshav, how is your study going on?

Keshav Srinivasan

5:59 AM

@Mr_Green You mean religious study or academic study?

@SwiftPushkar By the way, a lot of the Purva Mimamsa Sutras are boring discussions of rituals, so I would give you the same suggestion I gave to Tezz earlier:

Sep 23 at 17:21, by Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Yes, that's true, so as I suggested to you before, you can use this book to navigate to interesting topics: https://archive.org/details/PurvaMimamsaInItsSourcesDr.GanganathJha And then you can go to the relevant part of Shabara's commentary.

@KeshavSrinivasan academic study

I think I should do higher studies in physics. will think about it.

@KeshavSrinivasan - Yes , i have just started reading purva mimansa sutras and i will surely take help from you both :)

Keshav Srinivasan

@Mr_Green I finished Bachelors and Masters, now I'm planning on doing PhD.

@KeshavSrinivasan any opinion on this

@KeshavSrinivasan - whats the meaning of sutras which are only of single word like "Asthanat" pada 1 ,7 etc. Whats these word is used for , are they also sutras or all such sentences combined are called as sutras.

@KeshavSrinivasan - ohh you are grt. PhD , in physics or in some other sub.?

@AnkitSharma - GM 🌷☺

6:16 AM

good morning

@KeshavSrinivasan good

@SwiftPushkar "one is question and another is answer...." something like that... precisely "one is objection and another is reply."

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:32 AM

@Tezz @AnkitSharma @Mr_Green @KeshavSrinivasan @SwiftPushkar I have a question related to moderation if you all don't mind

@TriyugiNarayanMani what question ...?

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz Is it fair to close older question with newer question?

@TriyugiNarayanMani you mean closing older question stating it is duplicate of newer question..?

@TriyugiNarayanMani where did it happened...?

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz yes

Though it not happened with any of my question

Which question is it? @TriyugiNarayanMani

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:38 AM

@Tezz hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/11796/…

@TriyugiNarayanMani yes I think it is not fair..

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz I also think so

@AnkitSharma see above question:

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz I think it happened because the original question has not been answered and so we cannot close the newer question with that

@TriyugiNarayanMani I think other questions are closed if it is unanswered also...

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:45 AM

@Tezz yes

@TriyugiNarayanMani actually what happened is nobody knew that newer question has duplicate... and it got answered and accepted too... Then someone saw old question and close voted it... then everyone started closing it as it comes in review...

@TriyugiNarayanMani older question had no answer and newer got answer

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz yes

And there is no profit in merging as old one had nothing additional to it

but there is some discount😀😀

6:50 AM

@Tezz ??

no profit but some discount... haha.. I'm joking...

user image

@Tezz

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Q: Should I vote to close a duplicate question, even though it's much newer, and has more up to date answers?

I have seen this many times, a question is being asked because a previous, duplicate question was asked and answered a few years ago and has no longer relevant answers. The recommendation is to edit the old question, or add new answers to it, but it is not always happening. I was wondering, sho...

discussion vote-to-close exact-duplicates

Something similar to the Shiva Photo you shown

@TheDestroyer where is this....?

6:53 AM

@Tezz Don't know.

@Tezz - ohh objection and reply , ok got it :)

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@AnkitSharma ok got your point. Thank you to clarify

@TheDestroyer I think it is described in some scripture... might be in Shaiva Aagams...

@Tezz @TriyugiNarayanMani i think we can close old question if new question has good answers.

@Tezz Yeah.

@TheDestroyer yes, I just knew it... just read that meta post...

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:55 AM

@TheDestroyer ok.

@TheDestroyer - Nice photo , where it is from , and what's on the godess is setting , is it Lotus ?

@SwiftPushkar Don't know where it is.

@TheDestroyer which god

bholenath temple at bali-indonesia

Google's guess.

But see this instagram.com/p/90a3cEGqTq

@TheDestroyer - ohh its shiva , by looking hands i guessed its of godess , ok:)

7:01 AM

26 faces are letters of English alphabetm..l

52 hands letter of Sanskrit Alphabet...

I had heard about 25 headed Maha Sambhu... but not 26 headed... @TheDestroyer

@Tezz 25 only, 5 rows so, 5^2

@TheDestroyer but that instantgram says 26 headed...

@Tezz ohh..They might have counted wrongly.. I applied formula for sum of odd number..lol

@TheDestroyer haha... yes I also think it is 25 Headed...

24 elements of Prakirti + 1 Purusha =25

@Tezz Yeah. But till i don't understand what exactly are those 24 elements and how they are formed. I read them in Shiva Purana but didn't get clarity.

7:12 AM

@TheDestroyer nature (1)

mahat (2)

Buddhi (3)

Ahamkara (3)

Mind (4)

5 sense organ (9)

@Tezz Ok. Are there any scriptures which explain them in clear?

5 organ of action (14)

Pancha tanmatra and panchamahabhuta =24

@TheDestroyer I think it is described in Sankhya Sastra...

@Tezz What is Ahamkara? The English equivalent EGO or something else?

@Tezz Is Sankya Sastra numerology?

@TheDestroyer ahamhakara is that which causes body identification...

@TheDestroyer no it is not... Sankhya sastra describes Prakirti and Purusha...

ok. Will ask you later.

@Tezz

7:19 AM

@TheDestroyer ok...

7:40 AM

0

Q: History of Bhagwat Purana

I want to know about the history of Bhagwat Maha Purana. Was it written by someone or is it God's own words?

puranas scripture history bhagavata-purana

Imp unanswered question -

2 hours later…

9:34 AM

@SwiftPushkar it was written by Vyasa... as every Puranas were written by Vyasa...

9:50 AM

@Tezz - ok

2 hours later…

11:23 AM

@SwiftPushkar First by Brahma and Vyasa just remembered those words.

3

A: Who wrote or composed (put together) the Puranas?

According to Matysa Purana, Lord Brahma composed Puranas for the first time. Chapter 3 Primary Creation of Matsya Purana says Before the creation of all the 'sästras, Brahmä composed the Puränas, which happen to be indestructible, full of words, auspicious and were comprised of a hundred...

@TheDestroyer - Yes :)

@Tezz @TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan - Is the word "Muni" also used as the silent one. Word "Mouni" मौनी means that but is there any relation btw. those two words, like the word mouni later got changed to muni or something...

11:44 AM

@SwiftPushkar मौन means silent... मुनी means ascetic

@Tezz - yes , but i would like to know that is the word muni is Apabransha अपभ्रंश of word mauni ...

@SwiftPushkar I don't know whether both have same roots or not...

@Tezz - ok , was just curious :)

3 hours later…

3:17 PM

Hey all pls. Check this and pls. Post your views discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/25501/…

2 hours later…

5:16 PM

@Tezz @KrishnShweta Hi

@TheDestroyer Thanks. For the Post of Samba and yesterday's discussion here. Otherwise I think I would know about Samba lately.

@TheDestroyer Hello!!!

@TheDestroyer hlw...

@KrishnShweta You are welcome! I was searching the answer for this from long time. I couldn't find authentic Bhaivishya and English version of Samba Purana. Luckily, i found it in Varaha Purana.

Too good!

@Tezz what doing?

5:21 PM

@TheDestroyer sitting in bliss...😀😀

@TheDestroyer what are you doing..?

@Tezz contemplating about weird list of questions continuously asked on main site.

@TheDestroyer why is everyone asking question about Pooja ....?

@Tezz Also, see their profiles.

0

Q: Why is a specific flower offered to a deity?

What is the Importance of flowers in puja ritual and why is a specific flower offered to a deity?

@TheDestroyer haha...

@Tezz Did you observe something fishy?

5:24 PM

@TheDestroyer are they same person?...

@Tezz Don't know.

I observe something flowery...

@TheDestroyer I think they are all same because:

All have used the same tag:

puja

OMG!!!!!

@TheDestroyer haha lol....

@Tezz @KrishnShweta haha..

5:28 PM

@TheDestroyer so this is the reason...

(removed)

@Tezz Snake sounds sssss And I said Sshhh

@TheDestroyer yes...

@TheDestroyer haha lol...

@KrishnShweta some snakes also sound Sshhh... 😁😁

@Tezz She might have some previous birth vasanas :P

@Tezz Never heard.

@Tezz Are you typing from mobile?

5:34 PM

@KrishnShweta so hear it...😁😁

@TheDestroyer yes... why?

@Tezz Smileys...

@TheDestroyer Oh...☺😊😀😁😂😃😄

@Tezz Ohh.. you even answer questions from mobile?

@Tezz Where did you get Shiva Purana in text searchable form?

for your shiva vaishnava answer.

@TheDestroyer yes, I answer through mobile... I have just answered 3 answers here from mobile...

@TheDestroyer which answer?... Sarva Rudra Bhajen ...

@Tezz Shiva as first vaishnava.

5:37 PM

@TheDestroyer I haven't text searchable... I typed it...

@Tezz Ohh.. that's great.

@Tezz I use google drive method.

@TheDestroyer actually I wanted to say... "I have answered 3 answers from laptop.."

@TheDestroyer Oh... I type Sanskrit text... and scan English part generally...

But todays answer was just 1 verse... so I typed whole..

@Tezz How do you scan? App?

@TheDestroyer yes, I use app named Text Fairy...

It isn't so good... but works still..

@Tezz ok.

@Tezz Markandeya story is mentioned differently in Skanda Purana. Brahma grants him the boon to live for other 7 Kalpas.

5:43 PM

@TheDestroyer oh... in which kalpa Brahma grants that boon?...

@Tezz it says in "one of the former Kalpas".

@TheDestroyer I don't know how Markandeya and Shiva story became so much famous...

But it maybe in some scripture...

@Tezz Yeah. Also, Shiva worship was highly dominant till 200 years ago. Vaishnavism is increasing now a days.

@TheDestroyer oh... but here there is no such thing as Vaishnavism and Shaivism... people worship all...

@Tezz I am reading biography of potuluri Veera Brahmedra Swami.. His prophecies are intersting.

5:48 PM

@TheDestroyer oh... where did you get it..?

@Tezz I think Pasupathinath makes Shaiva worship dominant. I want to know why many kings worshiped Shiva even after Adi Shankara period?

@TheDestroyer even after Adi Shankara... ?Shankara didn't stopped Shiva worship..

@Tezz archive.org/details/VeerabrahmendraThePrecursorOfKalki1

@Tezz Yeah. But in Andhra and Karnataka and in most of southern India, those kings build many Shiva Temples.

@TheDestroyer one of his prophecy is Sun will rise in shape of Man... what do you think about it...?

@Tezz Most of them are named after Shiva, Rudramadevi, Ganapati Raju...

@Tezz kashmir has highest number of Shivaite kings.

5:52 PM

@TheDestroyer Shankara himself has written hymns like Nirvana Shatakam, Shivananda Lahiri...

@TheDestroyer Oh... I don't know about that...

@Tezz I think Lord Surya will appear.

@Tezz en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajatarangini

Rajatarangini describes history of Kashmir accurately.

@Tezz Some kings even got their sons by praying Shiva, like stories of Puranas.

@TheDestroyer omg... interesting... in one place... Indrajit then Ravana then Vibhisana...

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz @TheDestroyer there is a place named kaithi near Varanasi where the incident of Shiva, Yama and Markandey is said to be happened. varanasi.org.in/markandey-mahadev-temple

@TriyugiNarayanMani do you know where is story of Shiva Yama Markandeya mentioned in scripture...?

@Tezz Read that book. Most of his prophecies talk about Andhra.

5:57 PM

@TheDestroyer Ok...

@Tezz @TriyugiNarayanMani there's also a temple in kerala or Tamilnadu.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz In Padma Purana available at vedpuran.net site

@Tezz "Indrajit then Ravana then Vibhisana." what is this? Rajatarangini?

@TriyugiNarayanMani I don't know.. do you need Sanskrit...? It's avaliable in vedicreserve site...

@TheDestroyer yes... in one of the list of Kings there...

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@TheDestroyer OK. I have visited that temple once . People used to go there who don't have children to pray Shiva

6:00 PM

@Tezz First king is relative of jarasindhu.

@TriyugiNarayanMani Ohh. good.

@TriyugiNarayanMani Did you Visit Varanasi?

@TheDestroyer who is Jarasindhu?..

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz I have read in hindi version but didn't found in any other version

@TheDestroyer yes many times

As per the Hindu epic Mahabharata, Jarasandha (Sanskrit: जरासन्ध) was the king of Magadha. He was a descendant of the king Brihadratha, the founder of the Barhadratha dynasty of Magadha. He was also a great devotee of the Hindu god Shiva. He was a great senapati and a Maharathi, but he is generally held in negative light owing to his enmity with the Yadava clan in the Mahabharata. == Etymology == The word Jarasandha is a combination of two Sanskrit words, Jara (जरा) and sandha (सन्ध), "joining". Jara was a demoness ( as per Brahmins only, but her expertise proves that she was master in surgery...

@Tezz

@TriyugiNarayanMani which other version do you need

@TheDestroyer I know him... you had written Jarasindhu... so confused...

@Tezz ohh. ok.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:02 PM

@Tezz I have searched in all available versions but didn't found anywhere except hindi version

@TriyugiNarayanMani which story...?

@Tezz Markandeya, Shiva and Yama story

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz Yama Shiva Markandey

@TriyugiNarayanMani in which Khanda of Padma purana was it...?

@TriyugiNarayanMani What did Shiva exactly say?

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:05 PM

Just a minute please I am sending

@Tezz In uttarakhand

@TriyugiNarayanMani oh... actually whole Uttarakhanda of Padma Purana is somewhat doubtfull.. it's not avaliable in all manuscripts...

@TriyugiNarayanMani but it's possible that someone removed that genuine story to add other fake stories like Tamasic Puranas, Deceiving scriptures,... etc...

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@TheDestroyer Since it is not verse by verse translation so in it Shiva just came and hit yama with his foot

@Tezz yes could be possible.

@TriyugiNarayanMani do you know chapter no. Of that uttara khanda...?

@TriyugiNarayanMani ohh.. Ok. According to chaganti, well know Advaita Acharya in Andhra, said that Shiva gave boon to Markandeya that Markandeya would always look like 16 years boy (in Sanskrit) but Yama misunderstood it that Markandeya would only live for 16 years.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz @TheDestroyer if you have this book from ved puran.net website then you can read it on page no. 912

It doesn't provide chapter

@TheDestroyer yes I have read it somewhere in your comments on site

6:15 PM

@TriyugiNarayanMani ok.

@TheDestroyer

Brahma said:
24. This boy, Markandeya, will have the (span of) life as
I (shall have). (This) best sage is commended by me (to be
present) at the beginning as well as at the end of a Kalpa.
25-26. Thus the sages having got the boy made safe by the
grandsire, sent him to the earth, and proceeded with their
pilgrimage. Markandeya went home. When they had left,
he said to his father:

@Tezz where did you get that? it is exactly same as Skanda Purana.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

I have also read somewhere that after that event shiva is known as Kalantaka

This is from Shristikhanda of Padma Purana..

@TheDestroyer but here... he has lifespan as that of Brahma...

@Tezz Sorry! same in Skanda also. I think 7 kalpas is other Purana.

6:18 PM

@TriyugiNarayanMani yes... Shivatandava Stotram also says... "Tamantakantakam Bhaje..."

@TheDestroyer where is Markandeya living now...?

@TriyugiNarayanMani Yeah. he even resurrects a dead boy.

Actually people stopped dying after that event...

@Tezz after what event?

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz yes and the most important thing is that the hindi version includes Chandrasekhar ashtakam

And so on praying by Gods Mahadeva resurrects...

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:19 PM

@TheDestroyer

@TheDestroyer kalantaka event...

@TriyugiNarayanMani ohh.. Ok.

@TriyugiNarayanMani so have you checked Sanskrit version...?

@SwiftPushkar Why did you remove comment?

@TheDestroyer which comment...?

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:21 PM

@Tezz yes

@Tezz ohh. then what happened?

@Tezz He removed comment on one of those series of questions.

@TriyugiNarayanMani so it isnt there...?

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz no

@TheDestroyer Its just heard story..... so Yamaraja resurrected and then people start dying.... 😀😀

@Tezz ohh. Ok. Actually, Skanda also kills yama raja in Skanda purana.

@Tezz Shiva resurrects yama.

after that

6:24 PM

@TheDestroyer I watched it in Devon ke Dev Mahadeva...

@Tezz ok.

@TheDestroyer where is it in Skandha Purana?...

@Tezz I think Yameswara chapter. need to search in that fat book.

@Tezz I think 20th or 19th book.

@TheDestroyer ok...

@TheDestroyer why Kartikeya fights there in Skandha Purana...?

@Tezz i think to save a devotee of Shiva.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:29 PM

@TheDestroyer btw may I know why have abandoned the plan of asking questions about Shakti pitha?

@TheDestroyer Oh ok...

@TriyugiNarayanMani I haven't prepared answers. I don't even know what scriptures talk about legends of Shakti peetas.

@TriyugiNarayanMani It will be really good if we prepare them.

@TheDestroyer @TriyugiNarayanMani we can post some Shakti related question answers in this Navaratri...

@Tezz good idea. But sources of stories?

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@TheDestroyer I think if we don't know anything related to our religion we should ask here

@TheDestroyer may be someone is already aware of the source

6:33 PM

@TheDestroyer I don't Know source of Shakti peetha stories... but we can post other quesTions related to Shakti ...

@TheDestroyer @TriyugiNarayanMani @Tezz Post Q/A of Kali mata please.

@TriyugiNarayanMani that only increases questions number. it's already wobbling between 71 and 72..

@Tezz good. We can post other questions of Devi.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@KrishnShweta thanks. You can also ask if you have any

@KrishnShweta @TheDestroyer @TriyugiNarayanMani actually I'm planning to post a question answer to show Shakti as supreme from Vedas itself.. but haven't got time to prepare...

@Tezz Post it. We must know all perspectives.

6:35 PM

@KrishnShweta ok...

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz Yes this topic need extra effort

@TheDestroyer I'll post one day... I think during Navaratri...

@TriyugiNarayanMani @Tezz We have few questions about Devi on this site.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@TheDestroyer yes seen some of them

@TheDestroyer K Vickneshwara is especially interested about Durga Lakshmi and Saraswati...

6:38 PM

@Tezz He also links many things and gets confused.

@TheDestroyer - that was similar as yours abt languag so removed mine :)

@TheDestroyer haha... yes...

@Tezz @TriyugiNarayanMani We can post unknown or less known stories of Devi during these Navaratri.

From Devi Bhagavatam

or Markandeya purana

@TheDestroyer Durga tag just has 36 questions and Devi tag just has 14 questions...

@Tezz Parvati and Sati?

6:40 PM

While Shiva, Vishnu have 400+ questions...

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@TheDestroyer yes Durga saptasati is present in Markandey purana

Parvati 19

@Tezz Male domination :P :P

@TheDestroyer haha...

@TheDestroyer - Yes, we can ask 9 questions abt Durga. Bhavani , sarswati , parvati ect. Each sepeate day :)

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:43 PM

Actually I was planning to ask questions related to 9 forms of Devi but it is already covered somehow in hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/2651/…

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Q: What are the Mahavidya deities?

Where did the 10 forms of Durga known as the Mahavidyas originate from? Why are they lesser known and not worshipped as much as the traditional 'Navadurga'?

scripture durga

@TriyugiNarayanMani - 👍

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@SwiftPushkar thanks

@TriyugiNarayanMani we can still ask because that question only asks significance...

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@TheDestroyer yes I have read that earlier. Nice explanation by @Tezz

6:46 PM

@Tezz Matrikas also come under Shaktism right?

@TheDestroyer I think so... I think Ambika is surrounded by Sapta Matrika...

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz yes we can make our question more specific

@TriyugiNarayanMani - seprate Questions will cover these forms in more details

@TriyugiNarayanMani yes..

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz @TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar then let's try from tomorrow

6:48 PM

@Tezz @SwiftPushkar @TriyugiNarayanMani ok. Let's dedicate this Nine days to divine Mother.

@TheDestroyer @TriyugiNarayanMani Ok... I think Nine forms are described in Devi Bhagvatam...

@TheDestroyer - ok 👍

@Tezz Yeah. i don't remember.

@TheDestroyer Not with me?

@KrishnShweta Ok. you are also in :P

6:50 PM

@TheDestroyer DeviBhagvatam content index is avaliable in sacredtext.com site...

@TheDestroyer ^.^

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Tezz but I didn't read. It may also be available in Markandey Purana

@KrishnShweta - yes you can also ask , that will be grt.

@TriyugiNarayanMani it is not avaliable in Markandeya Purana..

@SwiftPushkar Shukriya.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

6:52 PM

@Tezz ok. Then it need searching☺

@KrishnShweta - mai to aap se ye poochne wala tha ki aaj kal aap chup chup kyun hai !

@Tezz Scriptures about Devi are rare.

@TheDestroyer you formed... special word pattern there...

@SwiftPushkar kuch nahi....

@Tezz where?

6:56 PM

@TheDestroyer scriptures about her are rare.

I was first time confused... what you have written...

Just like Optical illusion...

@KrishnShweta - you can start our series of question abt Devi frm tomorrow :)

Ok..power of Devi's Maya :P

@Tezz

@SwiftPushkar Hope so.

@TheDestroyer haha... lol...

@TheDestroyer it can be read as he rare rare

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