Vedanta and Philosophy

2:55 AM

@Tezz I didn't understand what you want to say? can you explain for "why is memory so far"?

3:31 AM

@Pandya I mean why memory is given so much importance while it is closely related to mind, intelligence...?

4:06 AM

@Tezz because memory is indeed to think by mind

In absence of memory one can't (keep) know anything with mind.

For example: say if you learn first step, then it is stored in memory.

Now in order to go forward (for second step), the knowledge of first step is required.

If there is lack of memory, one cant not grow and unable to think onwards.

All the things that is known are "known only if it is stored memory" otherwise (if forgotten), it beomes unknown again.

Here it is compared that Akash can only be known if memory supports/stores it.

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5:13 AM

@Pandya oh ok... but still not fully satisfied... I think I should read commentary of that...

@Tezz Here is what Adi Shankaracharya says about why memory is greater than Akasha: ia802608.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/17/…

@Tezz The idea is that without memory, you cannot enjoy any experience, because you cannot recognize what you are experiencing.

@KeshavSrinivasan we can't also enjoy any experience without understanding .... also without mind...

@KeshavSrinivasan so what is the importance of memory coming before air and water...

@Tezz But as Adi Shankaracharya says, even thought and understanding require memory. You cannot think about something unless you remember it.

@Tezz Well, Adi Shankaracharya argues that it is only when a person has memory that Akasha and the like are of use to him.

5:30 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan what is meant by aspiration there...?

@Tezz Aspiration means hope.

@Tezz The reason hope is considered so important is that it is because a person has hope that a Yagna will give him a certain result that the person performs Yagnas.

@Tezz Here's what Adi Shankaracharya says: ia802608.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/17/…

@KeshavSrinivasan where is memory stored when there is no mind ....?

@Tezz Adi Shankaracharya is talking about memory, hope, etc. as existing in the mind.

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1:04 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan If Atman and Brahman is in body-soul relationship then

we know that soul (Atman) enters and leaves from (human) body. Does the same apply for Atman and Brahman?

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2:08 PM

@Pandya No, it doesn't. For the human body there is birth and death, but for the Jivatma there is no birth and death. Brahman never leaves the Jivatma.

2:39 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan that's what I'm thinking

2:51 PM

I'm interested in How vishishtadvaiti interprets "Ayam Aatma Brahman"?