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goldPseudo
goldPseudo
2:30 AM
fun fact: we have the worst up/down ratio on the entire SE network.
 
infatuated
infatuated
3:08 AM
But whether an answer stands out as obviously stronger and "more right", or just as more or less equally valid as the rival opinion depends on the actual answers provided by users. It is not right to suppress sectarian opinion with a pre-determined judgement without allowing opinions to present themselves first. This was clearly the case with @AlUmmat suppression of question. Also note that the question mentions muta as only an example of a greater problem.
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
the whole point of closing is to prevent answers.
 
infatuated
infatuated
so it puts the general question under a very different light than questions already discussing mut'a as an exclusive topic; hence why @AlUmmat reasoning also doesn't hold.
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
waiting for answers before closing is exactly the wrong way to do things.
 
infatuated
infatuated
but what if an opinion stands out as more reasonable and verifiable as such from a purely intellectual pov?
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
still doesn't make it a good question.
asking questions is a privilege, not a right.
and keeping a question open because it might attract a useful answer isn't particularly useful.
what we want are questions that do attract useful answers.
and make experts see that we're asking interesting questions that they want to answer.
 
infatuated
infatuated
3:14 AM
there you go. and I said this policy is likely to suppress a lot of productive contribution on some crucial aspects of Islam!
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
i don't care. what i care about is attracting experts who can answer questions.
there will never be a shortage of people who want to ask questions.
Experts are what makes SE stand apart from other sites. if we're not attracting experts, we're no better than Yahoo! Answers or any number of forums.
and one thing that won't attract experts is pages upon pages of weak and unclear questions.
 
infatuated
infatuated
so attracting experts policy can rule out anything even many questions who are of crucial importance for those who are seeking truth. well, that may serve the site purpose but not very justifiable from an intellectual pov.
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
not every question is a good SE question.
if we try to make ourselves useful to everyone we end up being useful to noone.
 
infatuated
infatuated
"weak and unclear questions" can not be pre-determined without actual contribution.
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
@infatuated that is so wrong i can't even begin to describe how wrong you are.
 
infatuated
infatuated
3:19 AM
before actual contribution*
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
Blog - Stack Exchange: Optimizing For Pearls, Not Sand
Jeff Atwood on June 13, 2011

In March 2010, we rebalanced our reputation system to favor answers.

While we value good questions (and asking a great question is absolutely an art), we want to explicitly encourage people to provide the best possible answers. Without people interested in providing good answers, the questions are moot. We know that answers have more intrinsic value than questions, and the reputation balance should reflect that.

The question asker already enjoys a substantial benefit beyond reputation gain from upvotes on their question — namely, they get great answers to their question! Thus, the asker shouldn’t need as much reputation gain. …

 
infatuated
infatuated
thanks for your clarification attempts, but the problem stands, so far as we don't allow contribution in certain questions we can't form a judgement about their strength and usefulness. that's put very simple.
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
spoken like a true non-expert.
if you think the question should be reopened, just vote to reopen it.
 
infatuated
infatuated
did I make myself clear? I meant before seeing the actual contribution we can't determine whether an answer is high-quality and useful or not.
alright, thanks anyway.
and, what shall I do about locked answer?
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
pretty much the same thing as what should you do about anything.
discuss it on meta until it's clear that it should be unlocked.
meta is where community is decided.
 
infatuated
infatuated
3:26 AM
clear, thank you!
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
"...when I go to a Stack Exchange home page, I see a list of questions. If most of those are terrible questions with little to no indication that I’d be wasting my time by reading them, the value proposition of visiting and participating is diminished: I have better things to do."
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infatuated
infatuated
can't agree more with that!
I understand your concern/problem but I don't agree with your solution!
 
yasar
yasar
@goldPseudo It was not so funny :)
 
infatuated
infatuated
3:42 AM
and what is the SE help page(s) on site graduation terms?
 
yasar
yasar
10
A: Be clearer on what a beta site needs to graduate

jmacExecutive Summary Creating a "Checklist" of items that guarantee graduation will cause certain members of communities to aim toward achieving the checklist rather than focusing on site quality. The emphasis should be less on numbers, and more on what defines a healthy community, with numbers as...

 
infatuated
infatuated
thanks.
 
yasar
yasar
tl;dr We will graduate when SE believes that we would be a succesfull site.
 
infatuated
infatuated
I see that.
and @goldPseudo what defines expertise SE is so vigorously working to attract and how is it verified on SE?
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
4:02 AM
@infatuated experts are pretty much the only real judge of expertise.
the SE team doesn't know near enough about the subject of Islam to judge expertise. what they need and try to build is a viable community that is capable of judging itself.
on the whole, Team prefers to defer to us the community whenever possible. so it's mostly a matter of when we as a community have convinced them that we're worthy of that responsibility.
 
yasar
yasar
4:17 AM
Since we are talking about graduation, our voting patterns seems troubling. I wonder if it is because we get big amount of really bad posts, or big amount of really bad voting.
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
i'd say both.
we're still attracting a lot of answers by non-experts, which is bad.
but our voting isn't to the point where we can actually counter those.
bad posts should be downvoted to oblivion and/or deleted. but they're not, which typically just attracts more bad posts.
it's the broken window problem.
 
Islam.SE
Islam.SE
5:13 AM
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Q: Take pride in your community, and work to build a site you can be proud of

Shog9I wish I didn't have to write this. But this site is in trouble. Nearly two years ago, one of my co-workers at the time wrote Why Sectarianism is Ruining Your Site, warning y'all about the dangers of allowing inflammatory, accusatory discourse to flourish. And yet here we are, many months la...

discussion featured etiquette plagiarism copy-paste
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yasar
yasar
I feel somehow ashamed that staff felt the need to step in like that :/
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
i've pretty much been expecting something like this for a few months now.
ever since the voting fiasco.
and the backlash against users who are actively trying to improve the site.
 
 
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yasar
yasar
11:41 AM
Does anyone know if you can find English translation of موسوعة التفسير الموضوعي
or Turkish maybe?
 
 
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goldPseudo
goldPseudo
3:45 PM
huh. looks like they're starting to roll out insta-close votes for non moderators now.
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A: Increase close vote weight for gold tag badge holders

Tim PostUpdate: this is now enabled everywhere! The rules are: You can instantly close as a duplicate any question that was originally asked with a tag you have a gold badge for. You can instantly reopen any question closed as a duplicate that was originally asked with a tag you have a gold badge for....

only for closing duplicates right now
but keeping sane and rational tagging just got that much more important.
 
 
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yasar
yasar
4:54 PM
@goldPseudo Cool. Abdullah can one-vote open/close anything now :) data.stackexchange.com/islam/query/195132/…
And he is the only one :)
No, wait! I misunderstood the query.
He is the only 10k user right now I guess. He needs 6 mores votes on Qur'an to have that ability.
 
Islam.SE
Islam.SE
5:13 PM
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Q: Need suggestions for cleaning up mutah questions

SohaebI'm trying to clean up the questions in mutah. However, I need your help to clean them. Problem: We got 1 question asking for shia view, 2 questions which don't ask for a specific view. However, One of these 2 questions has only sunni answers and the other one has both views. lastly, this quest...

discussion tag
 
yasar
yasar
68
A: What are tag badges? How do they work?

wafflesWhat are tag badges? Tag badges are, well, badges which are awarded to users for achieving a certain score in a specific tag. Which tags are eligible for badges? A tag must appear on a minimum of 100 questions to be considered for tag badges. How do I earn each type of tag badge? Bronze: ...

 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
wonder why it filters at 10k. the post doesn't indicate a rep level for the 1-click, so i just assumed it's "can normally cast close votes".
 
yasar
yasar
Gold badge asks for Have a total tag score of 1,000 on a minimum of 200 answers
isn't 1000 too much for a site on beta?
I don't think we will ever see gold badges soon
 
goldPseudo
goldPseudo
well, it is a solution that scales well to the problem.
when there's more questions, there's not only more answers (and higher tag scores) but also more chance of duplicates.
 
yasar
yasar
6:09 PM
Too many marriage questions on front page :/
 
 
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yasar
yasar
9:15 PM
@BleedingFingers congratz!
 

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