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Caleb

12:00 AM

@AlUmmat done.

@goldPseudo Feel free to change the title if you think it inappropriate. Good night all.

Al Ummat

12:14 AM

@Caleb Good Night

does my question here, islam.stackexchange.com/questions/7292/… seem more like a list question?

Al Ummat

12:37 AM

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Q: What Salats/prayers are Bid'ahs/innovations?

As is fact, there is a lot of Bid'ahs (بدع)/innovations today. And there are Salawats/prayers that are also innovations, and it is important to know which salat is innovation so you do not fall into an innovation. An example of a Salat that is an innovation in the religion, is Salatul Tasbeeh, i...

Al Ummat

1:49 AM

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Q: Get active on the Meta -- help build Islam.SE

The Meta site is very important to all StackExchange Sites. It would seem that very few users are really active on the Meta site, and it is usually the Moderators, or some active user on the Main site. I have observed that sometimes new users (usually the ones that get 5 reputation which is the...

discussion meta site-development

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Al Ummat

4:18 AM

Asalam Alaikum @Ali

the discussion with Caleb ended a few hours ago

Alhamdulillah he said he enjoyed the discussion

Ali

walekum assalaam

its fri morning here

He is still in the room

Al Ummat

@Ali it is friday morning here also if you go by the moon, but still Thursday if you go by the sun

@Ali no He said He was going, he said he was tired

Ali

@AlUmmat may i know this science ?

Al Ummat

@Ali what? the Hijri/lunar calander, and the Sun/Gregorian calendar?

it isn't a science

Ali

how can night be morning acc to moon calender?

Al Ummat

4:21 AM

according to the lunar calendar a day starts at Maghrib

Ali

so post maghrib is morning?

Al Ummat

@Ali the day ends and starts at Maghrib, so Yesterday was thursday and today is Friday, sorry I didn't mean morning

Ali

Ya

Al Ummat

@Ali sorry for my confusing text ;)

I visited the Judaism Chat room, Masha'Allah it is very nice there

also I suggest seeing this " meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/83/… " perhaps it might give us an idea for our own elevator pitch

I find looking at the posts for elevator pitch on other sites is very helpful for getting ideas

Ali

ya and we should also have an islamic theme in the UI design like judaism has jewish theme

Al Ummat

4:32 AM

@Ali an elevator pitch is " Imagine you’ve just gotten on an elevator with a friendly stranger. You have precisely one floor to describe your community to them. What would you say? The elevator pitch is a brief sentence that describes what your site is about. Every word counts! "

see meta.islam.stackexchange.com/questions/57/…

@Ali see this meta.islam.stackexchange.com/questions/13/logo-and-site-design

@Ali of course feel free to give your suggestions on what our elevator pitch and our site design and logo should be :)

we want to gather ideas

Ali

thnx did that

Al Ummat

I like it, especially the part that says "No fatwas only real answers"

but wouldn't the "real answers" part be boasting?

Ali

practical answers?

Al Ummat

4:47 AM

the definition of a real answer is different for everyone, different Islamic sites have different defenitions

how about "reference full answers"

?

Ali

real answers does not mean "true" answers

real means : good looking answers

Al Ummat

ok, if it means that I think it is ok, interesting word you use :) nice pitch

Ali

good looking has references, quotes , bullets, styling

Al Ummat

@Ali agreed

oh and proper grammar and spelling which not all of us can do

I do not know full English grammar

but that is why users can edit here

Ali

can replace real by : real\beautiful\quality

Al Ummat

4:52 AM

how about beautiful?

Ali

sounds a bit tacky though

Al Ummat

how about quality then, we do strive to have our answers be of the highest of quality

Ali

quality serves better then real

Al Ummat

agreed

+1

@goldPseudo also, why doesn't my Islam.SE profile show when you click on my chat profile?

goldPseudo

i'm not sure; i was wondering that myself a while earlier.

Al Ummat

4:59 AM

could it perhaps be because I am in two chat rooms?

goldPseudo

i doubt it. i'm usually in three or four.

Al Ummat

I see

goldPseudo

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Q: Why chat profile in some rooms does not have a parent SE profile?

When in SO rooms, everything seems to be normal. But when in DBA.stackexchange rooms, like The-Heap, (@Ben Brocka noticed that) my chat profile does not seem to have a parent SE profile and shows not two links, like other users, but only one link: Notice that other users in that room show fin...

bug status-completed chat network-profile

old post, but might be the same problem.

Al Ummat

but it is in both rooms

goldPseudo

yeah, that's why i said "might".

Al Ummat

5:04 AM

I see

goldPseudo

something happened recently with parent users; i know i had my parent site switched from islam.SE to BCG.SE for no apparent reason a couple days ago.

Al Ummat

the other day I recall there was an error clicking the chat link

it would redirect you to Area 51

perhaps that has something to do with it

goldPseudo

stackstatus.net/post/42405170951/database-issue-feb-5th-2013

Al Ummat

@goldPseudo kind of sound like chinese to me, but if I am not misunderstanding, is it saying they updated their SQL and is running the latest version?

goldPseudo

might fix itself over the weekend, otherwise you'll probably need a dev to fix it. don't think there's anything i can do.

they had a database crash.

Al Ummat

5:14 AM

@goldPseudo a dev, what's that? where can I get one?

goldPseudo

they're planning to migrate to a new server, which has upgraded SQL etc. but that's not until the weekend.

dev = Stack Exchange team.

Al Ummat

@goldPseudo oh, so you mean I should contact them?

that wouldn't be a problem

goldPseudo

personally, i'd wait until the weekend, just to see if it fixes itself.

Al Ummat

but what does dev stand for?

@goldPseudo ok

goldPseudo

maybe post it on meta.stackoverflow.com

dev = developer

Al Ummat

5:16 AM

@goldPseudo for some reason I feel that I knew that :)

@goldPseudo ok

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Q: There is an Error in my chat profile

My chat profile isn't showing my parent SE profile. My intention is to report this as error.

bug

Ali

6:18 AM

@Caleb hii, So can you explain me how jesus was prosecuted and what charges were leveled against him in the court

with references in the bible

As i believe he was not implicated for "claiming to be god" but people attributed to him that he claimed to be "king of jews and mesiiah" , and certainly according to islam this is not blasphemy

Caleb

6:55 AM

@Ali It really doesn't matter what Islam thinks -- or Christianity or myself for that matter. What matters is how he was understood at the time, and what he was going around doing was blasphemy according to the Jewish religious leaders of the day. Claiming to the the Messiah and King of the Jews were part of his claim to be God. The Jews objection was clearly that he was equating himself with God. Their excuses later to get him tried and convicted under Roman law aren't that important.

> Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to question, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

> Mark 2:7 “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

@Ali You can read the eyewitness accounts yourself. In fact, before you pester me with questions about them, please do read them fully. I don't care to repeat a bunch of stuff that you could get just by reading the text yourself. If you have questions after you've read it that you can't understand or don't know how to interpret, I'm happy to spend time with that.

See the accounts in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Muz

7:23 AM

@AlUmmat Ha, I find the questions on bidah interesting, as there's so much around, but I don't dare answer any of them, lest I get stoned to death or something.

Al Ummat

@Muz if you have authentic sources to back your answer, you can stone the stones :)

Muz

but behind every bidah, there are a few scholars supporting it, even if there are no sources. my word against theirs

Al Ummat

@Muz there are scholars supporting the un sharia Mawlid

it is authentic sources against theirs, surely if they were knowledgeable enough they would not dare go against it

I mean disrespect to them

surely if they follow the Prophet they can be convinced otherwise

Muz

yeah, i find that to be the most frustrating thing about islam today

Al Ummat

if you see a wrong try to change it

speaking about the Mawlid, you are aware that there is a Mawlid that is in accordance with the Shariah, and one that contradicts it

I suspect you can guess the one that contradicts the Sharia

but do you know about the one that doesn't?

Muz

7:32 AM

haven't heard of it

lol, in my country, people just refer to mawlid as 'good bidah' (bid'ah hasanah)

Al Ummat

you know the Hadith that mentions the Prophet being asked about fasting on Monday? and He (peace and blessings be upon Him) said that that is the day he was born

Muz

mm... would have to look for it

Al Ummat

well if you read the Hadith it is as if He is saying "why do you ask", so out of that Hadith you can say that you can

fast Monday out of thanks to God for sending the messenger

see the Hadith for the context

Sheikh Al Albani explains this further

in the debate between Him and the supporter of the Mawlid

Muz

lol, sounds like it'd make a good answer to those mawlid questions too.

Al Ummat

yeah I know, if only I can remember the answer in which I referenced the debate

I would give answer to the questions about the Mawlid

but I can't remember unfortunately :(

but the difference between the celebrations that is in accordance with the Sharia and that which is not is the one that is in accordance is every week, but the one that contradicts is every year

and most scholars sadly support the one that is every year

really it makes you wonder why those scholars support something not part of Islam

but you can find today many support things that aren't part of Isam

sadly

Muz

7:42 AM

all a test, i guess... personally, i'm starting to see it more important to get born Muslims to practice the principles of real islam rather than reverting people to islam

there's plenty of muslims, but most don't really follow the sharia or even the philosophical aspects

Al Ummat

Muslims aren't to revert people to Islam, that isn't our Job and that wasn't Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon Him) job

our and His job was to clearly deliver the Message

the rest is up to Allah

Muz

good point

Al Ummat

@Muz that is because (from what I see) there is a shortage of scholars

real scholars

I mean you can see total difference between scholars today and that of the past

and when I say past I mean scholars from the first few generations

and I think Shekh Al Albani is one of the great modern examples of what a scholar should be

A scholar (in my opinion) is one who has the knowledge and applies it, and not teaches it with words but through action

Muz

yeah, i've always respected the early ones... it's much like science, you can't show science through theory alone, but with experiments and proofs

Tamer Shlash

@goldPseudo: You've deleted this question although you've linked to it in this comment, I think you should either undelete the question or remove the comment :)

Al Ummat

7:47 AM

@Muz exactly

Muz

the early scholars were leaders as well as scholars, starting their own businesses, governing cities, etc... i think our modern focus on specialization isn't working very well

Al Ummat

@Muz the early scholars were moderate

sometimes I think some modern scholars go to extremes

and others just claim knowledge they don't have

Muz

a common pattern is that conservatives try to hold the moral high ground, and most often, the moral high ground is the dominant religion

Al Ummat

I am not saying it is bad to go to extremes, but tell me, according to the Ahadith, is it better to study and worship 1000 nights, or is it better to equal worship and study with trying to benefit others? and trying to be the most useful?

Muz

i recall that it was far better to jihad than to take care of the masjid al-haram

Al Ummat

7:53 AM

is that a Hadith?

Muz

somewhere in the quran, can't find the verse

Al Ummat

I see

and Jihad splits into two categories right?

the Bigger and the Smaller

the Bigger is the Jihad of the self, an the smaller is the physical Jihad

most of the time today, when calamity comes, are people patient (I am not excluding myself)?

that is one of the things we lack most, patients, will power, strong Iman, and power to stand up to the false and bring truth without fear

as you said above at first, "for fear I might get stoned"

Muz

quran.com/9/19

Al Ummat

aah, clear as day :)

@Muz my point I am trying to get at, which might have not been clear is, if you believe you have the truth give it, I will ask for proof, if you give it, I will ask for authenticity if it is not from the Quran

the questions for proof and authenticity should be posed especially today, and even to scholars

Muz

understood, i feel the same way

heh, especially to scholars. scholars should be proud to be able to cite things on the spot, it's their job. i highly respect the ones who can

Al Ummat

8:03 AM

sometimes in lessons, they might not be able to cite these things, it might become a waste of time, but there would be time to ask of course, after the lesson

so I suggest if a scholar is teaching a lesson, don't ask for proof or authenticity until after

Muz

lol, yeah, of course

Al Ummat

but if it is just like you are going to them to ask a question, it wouldn't be a waste of time because asking for proof and authenticity is part of that question

@Muz :)

Ali

9:18 AM

@Caleb Why you rule out the possibility that Jesus pbuh was misunderstood (either purposely or in ignorance) , Jesus remained silent coz he did not wanted to be judged by people whom he considered wrong, hence he remained Silent. Silence By no means should mean that he accepted the allegations. Even in Islam many scholars were arrested by corrupt kings of the islamic sultanate and they chose to not contest charges level against them , rather they prefered dying\ getting killed\tortured . This was because these scholars dont even consider these kings\governors to have any authority over the…

And i find no clear unequivocal statement in the entire bible where jesus claimed to be god or sought worship

--

hi @El'endiaStarman

@Caleb .... and i had and have very well read the portions of bible you linked

Ali

9:51 AM

@AlUmmat asslaamalaikum

Al Ummat

@Ali Wa Alaikum salam

Ali

@AlUmmat dont you think that jesus never claimed he is God?

Al Ummat

@Ali I don't need to think, I know and believe

it is also logically impossible for man to become God

Ali

Ya me to!!

Al Ummat

and if it was because he was filled with the ghost, well others were too according to the bible, and does that make them God?

Ali

9:55 AM

It perplexes me and hurts me to find such intelligent individuals caught up in this deception only because they were born with it

Al Ummat

any way, we covered this yesterday Alhamdulillah in our discussion

Ali

can you summarize as to what he agreed on?

Al Ummat

@Ali we didn't really agree upon anything, it was a simple respectful discussion, and I tried my best to keep it that way and not to push the limits.

Ali

One should take these discussions very seriously as it concerns with our eternal life and not solving some technical geeky problem. And we should all have the courtesy and humility to accept the truth as is.

Anyways its Allah alone who guides to His way Islam. Hence prayer is more helpful then these discussions. Do pray for all of us!

Al Ummat

@Ali if I took it to a limit with someone, then it would only make them reject, and become hard. I neither wanted this to happen nor to offend any one. I understand the discussion was very important, and I tried my best according to Allah's wish to convey clearly what I am saying. It was a great Da'wah opportunity Alhamdulillah

Ali

10:02 AM

ya

Al Ummat

I will pray for all of us to be guided to the straight path Ameen

Ali

Friday prayers are very important

Al Ummat

yes

Ali

Do remember us

Al Ummat

Insha'Allah

:)

Al Ummat

11:12 AM

السلام عليكم @TamerShlash

how are you doing?

Tamer Shlash

11:34 AM

@AlUmmat Wa 'alaikum assalamu wa rahmatu Allah wa barakatuh :)

Alhamdulillah I'm fine :)

How are you?

Caleb

11:52 AM

@Ali Then please have the cutesy to not ask questions as if you had not or as if I had not. Yet I found it hard to believe you have read them very well because you continue to interpret them to say something they don't.

It really doesn't matter how I would handle a situation or how you would handle it or how some islamic scholar would handle it -- when reading a historic account we need to wresting with how the people in the story handled it. You can't keep reading your motives into their actions.

@Ali Then have you seriously read it? Or just read some other religion's commentary on it? Because he makes many many clear unequivocal statements all through all four gospel witnesses.

@Ali It doesn't matter what you "think" he must have said or meant, and there isn't much point is having a discussion on this if you don't want to actually find out.

@AlUmmat No Christian would claim man became God. We claim that God became man. Big difference, and completely changes the logical possibilities.

@AlUmmat A human acting in direction with the holy spirit is just that : a human acting at the direction of the holy spirit. That's what the prophets were, and that does not make them God. God himself taking on flesh and becoming, for a time, a man is a completely different thing. The equivalence you draw there isn't relevant.

Ali

3 hours ago, by Ali

@Caleb Why you rule out the possibility that Jesus pbuh was misunderstood (either purposely or in ignorance) , Jesus remained silent coz he did not wanted to be judged by people whom he considered wrong, hence he remained Silent. Silence By no means should mean that he accepted the allegations. Even in Islam many scholars were arrested by corrupt kings of the islamic sultanate and they chose to not contest charges level against them , rather they prefered dying\ getting killed\tortured . This was because these scholars dont even consider these kings\governors to have any authority over the…

@Caleb as i already said the history and hence the modern bible is written by people who were successful in pushing their agenda of trinity doctrine. Many christians were even killed...

The message of Jesus pbuh was for jews, the lost sheep only , hence Jesus and his gospel were exceedingly radical from any human point of view. The apostles and earliest disciples of Jesus therefore remained uncertain about the nature of the gospel and just what Jesus had accomplished in the world. Nevertheless Jesus made a great teasing out of the Rabbis of the time which instigated them to Kill the thorn on their path

Paul's word are words of paul Not God's , a Stark difference!

Yet we have words of paul in the bible in the form of letters ...

Caleb

12:16 PM

@Ali I already read and replied to that.

@Ali [citation needed] --- you're rambling man. You can't claim on one hand that history is written by the victors and therefore you can't trust it and in the same breath claim you know what actually happened also without any references.

At this point, I'm not going to debate your personal opinion. I'm happy to discuss, but not when you just want to feed me a party line without actually digging into the issues.

By your own admission you haven't even read Paul's letters, so please don't rant to me about how starkly different they are from the gospels. We couldn't even agree on simple clear statements that appear in the gospels because you don't believe those are reliable texts and were just misunderstood. That doesn't give you a platform from which to argue about whether Paul's teachings matched Christ's or not.

Ali

12:47 PM

I have not read the pauls letters because after starting to read them i found clear "agenda pushing" on part of paul . I was reading the enjoyable stories , narrations, verses and all of a sudden i find some Mr Paul's letters in the bible! very awkward indeed! It did deter me to read further and i did not even know at that time who paul really was! @Caleb

and i am glad i know him know. Hence i know bible is different and letters of paul are two different things which agenda pushers clubbed them together! @Caleb

owari

Salam

Ali

walekum assalam

owari

@Ali, you want to discuss those shrine things or not?

Ali

Sure Inshallah but Maghrib is approaching now, Inshallah meet you after half hour

In the meantime do have a look at the previous discussion transcript on this matter

owari

@Ali, ok here it is still 1:30 before Maqrib!

Ali

12:56 PM

i have bookmarked it chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3819/conversation/…

fi amanallah

owari

Thanks, I will read them

فی امان الله

and remember us in your prayer ;)

@Caleb, hi, how do you do?

Which one is more strange to you? Jesus bringing back to life a death person or the rod of Moses converting to an alive snake?

Amatuer snake indeed, not in the form of a child snake just born?

Why Jesus be God for bringing back the soul to an available body but not Moses for bringing soul and body both to a snake?

oshirowanen

1:26 PM

Salam

Anyone here from the UK who knows anything about HSBC's Amana share dealing service?

Theorem

1:40 PM

why is there only one god ?

any one knows here jakir naik ?

Ali

Ya I know Dr Zakir naik he lives close to my neighborhood'!

owari

@Theorem, do you need a rigorous proof?

Ali

Assalamalaikum

Theorem

@Ali : how do u find him ?

owari

و علیکم السلام

Theorem

1:44 PM

@owari : i don't think it can be proven but u can spill ur beans

owari

Oh yes it can and that's quite easy!

Ali

I have not met him though, its strange!

but have been to his IRF many times!

I heard he is in exile now :(

as he allegedly mocked the "hindu elephant god" by just asking people to prove that ""elephant god\ganpati is God!!"

owari

First you should agree with me on the definition of God, that He is the Perfect. A perfect being is independent in Will, so if He Will to do something no other being would be able to prevent Him or anyway affect His decision! That is to say, a Perfect being (complete in Perfectness, not only partially perfect) can affect but is never affected by any other being. Do you agree up to this point? @Theorem

Ali

i dont think it is mocking though!

Theorem

@Ali: i don't know . But we should see god in everything and everything in god .

and Zakir naik has no background on what spiritualism means .

@owari : what is ur definition of being perfect

Ali

1:49 PM

NO @Theorem God is NOT omnipresent , god's knowledge is omnipresent

Theorem

Ok , @Ali : so what is there in quaran is the ultimate right ?

Ali

God is One and far above this universe

And in a different domain

we live in a domain having time, space , God does not!

Have you viewed dr zakir naik lectures? @Caleb would love them

@Theorem are you muslim/.

?

Theorem

@Ali : yes i have . he is a idiot , and if islam is what he talks then i have no words .

@Ali : even i don't know if i am muslim or not .

Ali

DO you believe in Muhammad pbuh as final messenger of God and Quran to be true message?

owari

@Theorem, being free from any imperfection! A recursive definition? No indeed! You can count the imperfections and then you will asymptotically reach the definition of the Perfect. Here what was important for my rest of proof was not being affected in His Will. Independence of Will is a requirement of being Perfect!

Theorem

1:57 PM

@Ali : Quran should not be taken literally

we should use our intelligence to see what is relevant for our growth

owari

@Theorem, shall I continue or you still have a problem with the starting point?

Theorem

u can start @owari

although i can understand anything about what happens in arabic world and in pure islamic tradition

owari

@Theorem Suppose there are more than one god, then one may Will to affect the other god, can the other prevent him or himself will be affected? This is a paradox, none is possible according to the definition, thus no more than one Perfect is existable!

Theorem

why , since god is perfect why should he be affected or he should get affected

u are contradicting the definition of perfectness

owari

@Theorem, Allah has addressed the same issue differently on Quran. If there were gods instead of one GOd, then they could contradict each other in what to do and that was yielding in quite a mess, and you can easily observe that's not the case

I am using an assumption that it then turns to be proved as wrong, this is very common in math

Theorem

2:03 PM

@owari : why would they contradict , thats lame isn't it ? u say that god is perfect and then say that they would contradict .

owari

Because they are indeoendent in their Wills according to the definition of being god! How is possible for all independent wills to decide one thing in every occasion?

Ali

Say, “The truth is: Allah is One. [1] Allah is Besought of all, needing none. [2] He neither begot anyone, nor he was begotten. [3] And equal to Him has never been any one.”[4]

owari

@Theorem, that's like you have some men in a garden that each want to decorate the garden based on his own plan!

Theorem

@owari : but if all are perfect , and all knowing then it would be the same .

owari

@Theorem, what does all knowing has to do here?

Even if it has that I doubt, what if a god decides to affect the other god?

Theorem

2:06 PM

@Ali : thats the reason why islam wants to convert peoples religion .

owari

If he is prevented then he is affected and if he is not prevented then the other god is affected, contrary to the definition of god

Theorem

how can he be prevented ? @owari

u are condradicting ur def

owari

@Theorem, if he is really a god no one would be able to prevent him, reverting his will

Do you know برهان خلف in mathematics?

Theorem

whats that ?

Ali

@Theorem yes , Islam is the Only way. by not being a muslim you are doing a thing which is far worse then suicide. As you purchase Hell

Theorem

2:08 PM

@Ali : does Quaran say that ?

Ali

@Theorem you may write fancy theorems , do a PhD in this world run your imaginations wild but at the end of the day you gonna DIE.

owari

@Theorem, Reductio ad absurdum

Theorem

the way Saudi Arabia treats woman is shameful ( sorry to say ) but i feel thats true.

@Ali : at least that will be better than telling people that Allah is the only way .

Ali

@Theorem This is understood from a verse in the Holy Quran - Allah says:
"Inna deena indalahil-Islam." (Certainly, the only acceptable way which Allah will accept is Islam). [Holy Quran 3:19]
This submission requires a fully conscious and willing effort to submit to the one Almighty God.

owari

@Theorem, you convinced? Any criticizing is welcome ;)

Ali

2:12 PM

Your theorem writing and expertise would only help if you become muslim, by doing so you will Inshallah win both the worlds @Theorem

Theorem

@Ali : do u know that the world is facing the problem because people don't understand Quaran , and almost everyone takes it literally .

Ali

It is commanded to take literally

God is not the author of confusion

Theorem

so what is your brain for @Ali :D

Ali

Our brain is for contemplating over the verses of Quran @Theorem

owari

@Theorem, the proof you requested for has been provided, I should leave. I guaranteed it is rigorous so I will have some support for that as well, leave you question here if any and God Willing I will answer.

Ali

2:17 PM

it is taken literally because its been made easy to understand even for layperson!

Quran occupies all domains and levels of the [Blooms Taxonomy][1] of cognitive learning [1]:nwlink.com/~donclark/hrd/bloom.html

Theorem

what is important , following quaran or living in harmony ?

Ali

Example Quran 103:1:"By time,
والعصر"

Theorem

@Ali : so we should live by time right ?

Ali

1. By the essence of all time.

2. Verily, all humankind is in deep loss.

3. Except those who believed (in the oneness of Allah) and performed good work and reminded each other of the truth and reminded each other to be patient.

Theorem

what do u think about Osam bin laden ? did he do what allah told him to do ?

Ali

2:23 PM

you better Ask him!

103:2 says mankind is in loss

3: says EXCEPT...

4 CONDITIONS FOLLOW:

Theorem

What does islam say about what he did ?

Ali

Surah ASR lays 4 necessary condition for salavation for which an oath has been sworn by the Time to impress the point that man is in sheer loss and only those people are an exception from the loss who are characterized by these four conditions:

Faith (6 articles + 5 pillars)
Righteous deeds
Exhorting one another to Truth(dawah , call and guidance)
Exhorting one another to patience

if any one of the above conditions are not satisfied then there is no salvation for such a person except if ALLAH wills. Even if all conditions are satisfied still its ultimately upon the mercy of ALLAH swt to…

Theorem

Ok , thanks bye

got to do something

Ali

So do keep coming here and ask questions on islam.stackexchange.com @Theorem

Theorem

ok ,

great .

Ali

2:28 PM

but have you read quran?

cover to cover?

Theorem

nope , i will read it someday

Ali

islamunveiled.org/eng/modules.php?name=free_books

free books\quran @ your doorsteps!

Theorem

if a man says three times talaq talaq talaq then its a divorce isn't it ?

Ali

NO

Theorem

ok i will catch u later

goldPseudo

2:31 PM

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A: Just reciting "Talak" thrice commits divorce?

2:228 Divorced women remain in waiting for three periods...and their husbands have more right to take them back in this [period] if they want reconciliation... 2:229 Divorce is twice. Then, either keep [her] in an acceptable manner or release [her] with good treatment... As the above excer...

Ali

Do ask questions

as you see it is already answered

@El'endiaStarman hii how are you doing?

El'endia Starman

@Ali Hey, I'm doing good. Just reading though the messages between yesterday and now. I'm also keeping a list of terms that I encounter and don't know, and I'll ask that once I finish.

Ali

Thats really great to hear!

@El'endiaStarman does this sounds possible to you: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8022803#8022803

Al Ummat

@Theorem just seems fair to tell you, not everyone with an Arabic name or the equivalent is a Muslim, that is something that the media does that it is unfair, for example if there is a terrorist with an Arabic name, they would call him Muslim terrorist , but if it is just any other name, they would call him just terrorist

and I should mention that Muslim and Islam shouldd be totally different in the view, one isn't to judge Islam by what Muslims do, but Muslims by what Islam says to do

Ali

And i find no clear unequivocal statement in the entire bible where jesus claimed to be god or sought worship

El'endia Starman

2:49 PM

Hey guys, I just read through prior chat messages, and I'm wondering...what do the terms Hadith, bidah, Mawlid, Sharia, jihad, masjid al-haram, Da'wah, and Maghrib/Maqrib mean? As well as your greetings and farewells to each other.

And now I gotta hurry to class. I'll be back in a couple hours though.

Ali

6 hours ago, by Ali

@Caleb Why you rule out the possibility that Jesus pbuh was misunderstood (either purposely or in ignorance) , Jesus remained silent coz he did not wanted to be judged by people whom he considered wrong, hence he remained Silent. Silence By no means should mean that he accepted the allegations. Even in Islam many scholars were arrested by corrupt kings of the islamic sultanate and they chose to not contest charges level against them , rather they prefered dying\ getting killed\tortured . This was because these scholars dont even consider these kings\governors to have any authority over the…

fi amanallah

goldPseudo

@El'endiaStarman hadith = a recorded saying or action of the prophet, bid'ah = an innovation (in religion), mawlid = the prophet's birthday, shariah = Islamic law, jihad = struggle (often used to mean war), Masjid al-Haram = the Sacred Mosque (around the Kaabah in Mecca), da'wah = invitation to Islam (often used to mean proselytization), maghrib/maqrib = the daily twilight prayer.

Al Ummat

3:10 PM

@goldPseudo proselytization isn't the correct word, Da'wah isn't to convert/revert people to Islam but to convey the message clearly, a better word is invitation that is in more accordance the the meaning of the Arabic word

goldPseudo

3:45 PM

@AlUmmat good point. however, it is often used to mean proselytization, despite that not being what it actually means. i've adjusted the definition accordingly.

Al Ummat

@goldPseudo I didn't know you can edit a time after you posted

47m after you posted to be exact

goldPseudo

i'm actually surprised i could too. might just be a mod thing.

Al Ummat

ah I see

Al Ummat

3:57 PM

this is an interesting question judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/13418/…

@nickecarlo We were lucky to have you here to answer the question. If Islam.SE ever opens, this should certainly be migrated there. — avi Jan 19 '12 at 7:19

would it be a good question on here?

goldPseudo

as phrased, i don't think it would be constructive.

but it could probably work under islamic-basis with some editing.

Al Ummat

ok

goldPseudo

or source-identification to figure out exactly where the quoted ahadith come from (as they weren't cited in the article)

Al Ummat

would it also go under the practical-islam ?

since in the article it does mention that it is obligatory for Muslims to kill Jews, which is of course false

goldPseudo

i don't think so, but i'm still not sure exactly how best to use practical-islam on the site.

Al Ummat

4:07 PM

I know :)

there is the judaism tag

although the question isn't really about Jews but is related

Caleb

4:19 PM

@Ali If you are going to keep pinging me in chat, please do me a favor and actually read and think about my replies. You already asked that once, I answered here, then you asked again here, I reminded you that I'd read and replied here, and now you are asking me again.

goldPseudo

4:44 PM

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A: Are general questions allowed?

This seems like the type of question that would be a good use of the (disputed) practical-islam tag. I would say that such questions would be on-topic, but it would need to be written in a constructive manner. Any such questions would be at high risk of subjectivity, or of soliciting a lot of e...

Ali

@Caleb i would like to tend my apology for disturbing you by mentioning you or asking you the same question. Maybe i could not perceive and i still don't perceive your reply as an answer to my question , anyways thanks for joining us

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