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VxJasonxV

12:00 AM

heh

perhaps I should :/

calavera

it doesn't make a lot of sense to have super-user fielding questions that are very specifically on-topic here

super-user should become windows-centric IMO

considering we're launching in a couple weeks

Kyle Cronin

12:32 AM

@calavera I disagree, I think that should be a decision for the Super User community. My intent for the Apple site was not to supersede Super User when it comes to Mac questions, but rather to see if it's possible to coexist. Now, if the Super User community decides that they're OK with sending all Mac questions here then that is fine, but I don't want them to feel like they're under any obligation to do so

calavera

@KyleCronin: well i'm under no illusion that my opinion it right or best, however I think it definitely should be discussed

otherwise it could lead to tension between the sites

same thing is coming up for unix.se

i just want to see a clear policy

VxJasonxV

I think SuperUser's niche is in appliances.

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No one OS is better than another, but given that "Apple" and "Unix and Linux" exist and "windows" doesn't (does it?) I stand by my statement.

calavera

like washers and dryers?

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VxJasonxV

like NAS devices

drobos

calavera

:P

VxJasonxV

12:35 AM

cisco routers

appliances, ahahahaha. nice

P.S. I'm dominating the star leaderboard for this room. Just FYI.

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calavera

one more star for you mario

Kyle Cronin

@calavera I think it's something that can be discussed, but it's a decision that should be made by the Super User community and moderators. Maybe try starting a topic on meta.superuser.com about it?

calavera

@VxJasonxV: i disagree with your definition of appliances in the context of SuperUser. I think it really should be for super-users of refrigerators, dishwashers, etc.

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@KyleCronin: That was actually my plan... however i started with a message in the teacher's lounge to see if anyone has opinions in there. i don't really want to start a public argument if it turns out to be a touchy subject.

Kyle Cronin

also, Ubuntu has already launched, but Ubuntu questions are still allowed on SU

calavera

yep... i just think it's getting confusing with all the different sites.

VxJasonxV

12:44 AM

And it will only be more so with these niché topics.

calavera

my wife is a total noob... definitely not a dishwasher superuser

VxJasonxV

As much as I would love to see this site graduate, and my proposal, and more, the fragmentation is going to be VERY confusing, VERY fast.

The "everything on StackOverflow" entry point is bad enough.

of course, that's just noobish

calavera

if superuser would switch contexts to appliances she could totally become an expert

Kyle Cronin

@calavera That might actually be a useful site, or maybe you could talk with diy.stackexchange.com to see if you can expand the scope a bit to include household appliances

calavera

@VxJasonxV what do you mean by 'everything on SO' entry point

@KyleCronin: that sounds a lot like work... she won't actually read it anyway, she'll just tell me to do the dishes

VxJasonxV

12:47 AM

the fact that you folks took the misinterpretation seriously is scary

also, stackoverflow is the household name, so noobs post to it first in many, many, many occasions

leaving mods to triage to another network

and also, said noobs never come back

re-registering and "where's my post?!" and all

Hmmmm, just a test:

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A: Find filename in OSX terminal

In it's simplest form, find takes one parameter, the path, in it's actually worthful form, it takes the path, and then narrowing criteria. Thus, you want, find (the program), / (the path), and -name abc.dmg (the criteria). find / -name abc.dmg

( superuser.com/questions/226566/find-filename-in-osx-terminal/… )

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, got it.

calavera

@VxJasonxV: what were you testing?

VxJasonxV

1:13 AM

oneboxing

I was wondering why my link to that question above didn't work. It's the parenthesis'

calavera

because you put the parenthesis around the earlier one?

VxJasonxV

right

Kyle Cronin

1:31 AM

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Q: It annoys me that there's an Apple SE but so many Apple questions on SU

Stack Exchange management wrote a big post about why it makes sense to spin off some topics or areas into their own stack sites. If I have an Ubuntu question, it would make sense to ask it in the Ubuntu site. If it's a WordPress question, there's a site for that too. And Apple questions, there's ...

discussion

VxJasonxV

-8? yowza!

sigh

calavera

-7 now :P

if you vote we'll get it down to -6 :P

Kyle Cronin

1:49 AM

ok, -6, but I notice someone downvoted Diago

Dori

OTOH, I don't really want Apple SE to become another dumping ground for SU. Ref:

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Q: Search data in iphone?

I have search the data, the result is 838 record is found, my data is in 800th record. In each time I navigate the data and then I seen my data. So what is the best method having the iphone to see my 800th record?

iphone search

and

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A: Please stop using Programmers.SE as your toilet bowl

Just a datapoint: it's not only SO, and it's not only Programmers SE. Example: this question by this user. Here it is in its entirety: Search data in iphone? i have search the data the result is 838 record is found, my data is in 800th record.In each time i navigate the data and then i ...

Kyle Cronin

@Dori good point, most people find it easier to hit the "belongs on" button than to close the question outright

and people that ask iPhone questions on SU because they can't be bothered to know if it's on topic probably aren't desirable users

VxJasonxV

Now that time has elapsed, and the purpose of these other sites is a bit more clear, I think we should revisit that topic @meta SU

calavera

there are so many iphone questions on SU

VxJasonxV

Your first link, Dori, is a bit of a bad example, because that's just a TERRIBLE question.

(IMO :) )

Dori

1:53 AM

A lot of this is being discussed (in the context of Programmers SE) on meta right now

calavera

@KyleCronin I downvoted Diago, because I don't agree.

Dori

@VxJasonxV But that was my point — we don't want terrible questions

VxJasonxV

But there should be no terrible questions on any site, not just "offshoots"

yeah, that is your point, hahahaha

they should have closed it and not just pawned it off on us. Got it, on the same page :D.

calavera

right, however i don't think that precludes making this the site for migration of apple questions

Kyle Cronin

@calavera did you downvote him as a member on Super User, or as a user/moderator on Apple.SE?

calavera

1:56 AM

it's just an issue of addressing to mods that a bad question is a bad question regardless of the site it's originally posted to

@KyleCronin: first off i didn't downvote 'him', i downvoted his response because i disagree :)

Dori

Go upvote this as well:

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Q: Require migrated questions to be accepted by the destination site's moderators.

Based on feedback from sites which have unsuitable questions handed to them from other sites (for example: Please stop using Programmers.SE as your toilet bowl): Would it be possible to require that a migrated question be accepted by the destination site's moderators? The question Adjust the sy...

feature-request migration moderators

@KyleCronin What's the difference?

calavera

@KyleCronin: but i'm not sure what you mean by that

i can't login to superuser as my apple account, and if you're speaking more in terms of bias

then i don't really know how i can separate those two

Kyle Cronin

@Dori I firmly believe that whether or not Apple questions are allowed on Super User should be a decision made by the users and community of Super User. Though I disagreed with Diago, I didn't downvote him because my disagreement didn't come from being a Super User user, but as a user/mod on Apple.SE

calavera

considering i am a member of superuser, and also a user/moderator on apple.se

Kyle Cronin

basically, we're not disinterested in the outcome

VxJasonxV

2:00 AM

So, the circumstances are different, because my job != SE. But... your link Dori, strikes me as something I would heavily disagree with. You can't use process to fix people. You use people to fix process.

calavera

yes, but like i said, i am also a member of superuser, and i disagree regardless

VxJasonxV

If we need to change something, we need to convince the people to change their habits. It sucks, but it's the best way for nit-noid growing pains like this.

Kyle Cronin

@calavera OK, that's all I was wondering

Dori

@VxJasonxV Oh, this ain't my job, far from it (although if SOIS wanted to hire me…) ;-)

VxJasonxV

(I like how I keep dropping the "we" in the conversation. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. As if I'm part of "we"...)

calavera

2:01 AM

@KyleCronin: that's irrelevant considering the people who voted FOR diago's response are not disinterest in the outcome either

i don't want to see superuser go away

i like superuser

i just don't like all the noise

that's why i'm here

which is why i think experts are more likely to gravitate towards their preferred site platform

Dori

@VxJasonxV I'd like to see migration become a two-part process with both a push ("hey, want this") and a pull ("looks good to us") required.

calavera

and superuser has gotten too noisy

VxJasonxV

push/pull doesn't work well asynchronously IMO

because what happens when a question is in limbo? That's damn frustrating.

I'm frustrated in just waiting for answers! cough

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Q: Unable to run cvlc in a script

I'm creating a script that issues a few curl commands in order to access a time-protected mms stream link, then set up a relay using cvlc (vlc's command line interface) for my own use on an unencumbered player. The curl aspect of this is working, as I can run as a browser and curl side by side a...

vlc bash-scripting cvlc

Kyle Cronin

@Dori A default allow policy would probably be best, but it would be nice to have a moderator function to 'refuse' a question that's been migrated and would move it back to the original site

Dori

@VxJasonxV Questions getting migrated to 2+ sites is frustrating too.

VxJasonxV

2:04 AM

Again I say, process vs. people.

calavera

@KyleCronin: I think we should take into account that a very large portion of our own users were originally SO or SU members, and still are

so i see no reason to say that our opinions are any less valid

as far as that whole thread goes

it's not like i'm getting paid or have any real physical benefit coming to me if this site succeeds

Kyle Cronin

@calavera I'm just trying to prevent a situation where we're accused of manipulating to favor our site

calavera

i am just of the opinion that it's better overall for all questions involved

at least in the long run

well anyone can accuse anyone of anything but it doesn't make it ture

*true

if you agree, upvote it, if you don't, downvote it

it's not like i would post a thread on our meta proposing all apple.se users go and downvote

but i figure if you're a superuser and an apple or unix user and you have an opinion, you have the right to express it in that thread or any other

Kyle Cronin

@calavera True. I just want to have a good working relationship with the users and moderators of SU

calavera

me too, which is why i'm not going on their site and proposing they start moving all apple questions here

i just think it needs discussion and thought

but to me the thread referenced is too one sided currently

Kyle Cronin

2:12 AM

Ok, then we're agreed - it's something the community needs to decide

calavera

yup, i meant what i said in teacher's lounge

i wouldn't cry if they decided SU doesn't change

i just want the discussion to create some guidelines one way or another

it's getting too chaotic right now

Dori

Yay, no more [apple] tag!

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Q: Tag blacklist request:[apple] on Apple.SE

Could the tag [apple] be put on the blacklist at Apple.SE? It's currently a synonym for [apple-inc], but we've found that doesn't actually solve the problem.

support status-completed tag-blacklist-request

calavera

woot! :P

Kyle Cronin

cool, I wish he would make that a moderator feature though

VxJasonxV

upvote the comment that says that

or, write it up :)

Kyle Cronin

2:14 AM

I did

calavera

same here

while we're chatting, @Dori's out there GTD :P

VxJasonxV

I did too!

calavera

me too!

VxJasonxV

you said that already :(

calavera

me too!

wait

damn ADHD

VxJasonxV

2:17 AM

ADHD nothing, that's STML...

calavera

me too!

:P

i just had to lookup STML

but i forgot what it said

VxJasonxV

I've actually never seen STML used before.

ok night folks.

Dori

Now if only they'd fix this one…

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Q: Use tag synonyms when migrating questions

[Note: I know this question is similar to Tag synonyms system not working on migrated question?, but its answer doesn't answer this question.] Over at Apple.SE, we've just started getting migrated questions, and that's caused things to get a little funky. Here's an example: We currently have t...

feature-request migration tag-synonyms

@VxJasonxV Night…

calavera

night Jason

part of my opinion about the whole SU thing is probably based in the fact that I've only ever received ONE good/real/working solution to a question i asked there

out of 6 questions

so i just personally haven't see any sort of 'expert' level knowledge being shared there

and i think it's directly related to the signal/noise ratio

not enough focus, too broad a scope

VxJasonxV

3:30 AM

hello again

night folks = leaving work :D

calavera

lol

VxJasonxV

@calavera That's what's funny about this whole, SE hosted topic thing, and the conflicts it's causing...

garikapati

4:53 AM

@KyleCronin u there

VxJasonxV

His icon is now opaque...

Kyle Cronin

@garikapati I'm here now

garikapati

5:50 AM

@KyleCronin just want to let you know I have removed app and settings from Application Support and also cache.. using AppCleaner app. Now I am good.

VxJasonxV

6:42 PM

A new challenger, has arrived!

VxJasonxV

7:47 PM

It's really really frustrating that Google Instant traps as much input as it does. Completely breaks my Keyboard Navigation extension;

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/…

Hmmm, what is this enable desktop notifications link?

.... and uhhh.... how do I shut it off now that I've enabled it if I don't like it? :X

VxJasonxV

8:07 PM

Ooooh, I'm going to break 1K on Apple pretty soon!

VxJasonxV

8:20 PM

huh, that's weird, their is no keyboard shortcut for the add comment links...

VxJasonxV

8:40 PM

Nor voting... off to meta.so again

garikapati

@VxJasonxV what do u want to shut off/ disable ?

VxJasonxV

Desktop notifications.

from chat

garikapati

okay first things first.. Hi @VxJasonxV

VxJasonxV

hi

I figured it out, shutting it off can be done in the notification itself.

garikapati

good talk or this apple chat .. I am confused

VxJasonxV

8:42 PM

this chat

when in chrome, underneath the list of starred chats, there was a link I didn't notice before that says "enable desktop notifications"

it's a hook into presumably only chrome, currently. I think. I enabled it, and the link didn't change enable -> disable, it just disappeared entirely

but, as soon as you @'ed me, there was a wrench icon in the corner of the notification, which I could use to disable notifications. And I did :).

garikapati

ohh... is it available only in Chrome

VxJasonxV

and I just refreshed this page, and the "enable desktop notifications" link is back, so I figured it out. Thanks for helping :D!

garikapati

:D.. so I helped you ;-)

cool..

so what's your gear.. and how long you are using mac

VxJasonxV

MacBook Pro, pre-unibody. With flakey wireless :/. iPhone 4. Magic Mouse.

I've used one Mac or another pretty much throughout school, starting with an Apple IIe in elementary (yay Oregon Trail!)

garikapati

mine are MBP 15" Unibody from late 2009, iPhone 3GS and also Magic Mouse

but I never use that mouse at all

VxJasonxV

8:47 PM

I bought the very first Mac Mini (with a built in MODEM, ugh!) back in... '04? '05? But it was always secondary to my desktop

Since my current job, I've used a Mac full-time, as a primary computer, since 2007.

so, I have a good history, but only recently has it been the one and only.

garikapati

I bought it like crazy guy but never used it... is it good to use MMouse

good....

VxJasonxV

I thought I would die without a middle click, but frankly since I've gravitated more to using the keyboard for everything, I always have a hand on the keyboard, so holding command and clicking (to open a link in a new tab) is reivial

trivial*

garikapati

but I am a Windowz guy since starting.. and finally bought mac late last year

VxJasonxV

and it's more reliable than a middle button too, no scrolling inadvertently accidents or anything.

We have a couple mini's at home for media purposes, and we have an iMac in the house (not mine). Big, beautiful, 27" Core i5... it's so pretty.

garikapati

I am a king with keyboard on windows.. but not much on Mac.. as am relatively new..

VxJasonxV

8:50 PM

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Q: Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts