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12:11 AM
Hello everyone
any type theorist here?
or someone who can recommend some reading material?
 
helvetica is a good start, sleek lines, a real euro 60s feel to it
 
I prefer Palatino (not to be confused with the horse).
 
@leslietownes yeay :)
 
12:42 AM
thorgott is that from something or your own argument?
 
my own
though I don't claim originality for the idea of intersecting stuff with 1-dimensional subspaces
 
Why does that norm end up continuous? I.e,, why does $r$ vary continuously with the direction?
 
i think "convex" is doing most of the work here, but i will defer to copper on that.
thats a really interesting observation though, because quantitative properties of the normed space like the modulus of convexity can be pretty bad. basically, arbitrarily bad, according to this theorem.
i think there's a theorem kinda like this about which functions can be a modulus of convexity. its the absolute limit of what you would expect.
 
Definitely can have very non-differentiable star-shaped regions. Convex can’t be so bad.
 
12:57 AM
and also 'compact' so there's no noise on the boundary.
compact convex sets are a paradise.
 
Hi!
Are fruits identical?
> Suppose Rick's mother wants to give 5 whole fruits to Rick from a basket of 7 red apples, 5 white apples, and 8 oranges. If in the selected 5 fruits, at least 2 oranges, at least one red apple and at least one white apple must be given, then the number of ways, Rick's mother can offer 5 fruits to Rick is
 
it sounds like the exercise is inviting you to treat fruits of the same biological type and color as interchangeable.
i.e. you don't get another "way" of offering fruits to rick by replacing one red apple with another one.
 
Of course not. But all oranges are equivalent, etc.
 
i agree that this is a creepy problem, why is it coming at me with this stuff about rick and his mom like i need to know about that relationship. i don't walk up to people i don't know on the street and give them that kind of energy.
 
Think of it in terms of you and Munchkin. No strangers in streets.
 
1:08 AM
last night i gave munchkin a peanut butter and strawberry jam sandwich, four wheat thins, maybe 8 almonds, a piece of chocolate, a handful of raspberries, and four strawberries.
she's like a roman emperor, when she's done with one thing she just shouts out some other thing that she wants.
one time she responded to my wife asking her about her day with one word: ALMONDS!
 
No fettucine alfredo?
 
that actually sounds delicious. i wonder if there is a place around here that would do a good job of it.
 
You still haven’t made those leeks agridolce.
 
haha, i haven't shopped for vegetables since 2019.
i may change jobs this year, and if i do i will take a month off and make those leeks.
 
Cataclysmic!
Still not shopping? I go masked, but I shop!
You’re giving up your job of harassing @copper and me?
 
1:18 AM
haha. i do shop, but mainly at target. its produce department has no leeks. it has the raspberries and strawberries that a young empress needs.
 
Time for farmers market or even Sprouts.
 
@TedShifrin The argument doesn't need that to work and it follows post hoc from the equivalence of norms.
of course, that's the lazy answer
 
Indeed.
 
an explicit argument should proceed along the following lines: show that for $t<r$, we have $tx$ in the interior of $A$ (this will require a bit of work), then use continuity to get an estimate on the limit from one side. repeat same thing with exterior to get an estimate from the other side and put them together.
 
No, I’m worrying about the niceness of the unit sphere.
 
1:28 AM
something like this holds in greater generality: if $C$ is convex, compact and $x$ is interior, the map from the standard unit sphere to $(0,\infty)$ sending a $y$ to the unique $t$ such that $x+ty\in\partial C$ is continuous
(you can drop compactness and get a continuous function into $(0,\infty]$, even)
 
Right. Most of this fails badly for star-shaped.
 
1:42 AM
oh for sure, convexity is a strong property all things concerned
 
unit balls can have corners, but not corners like star shaped shit can have corners.
to use the technical term.
 
Star-shaped can have radical leaps!
Don’t tell DeSantis. He’ll ban math.
 
i heard that both the flags of china and the former USSR had stars on them. someone should look into a ban.
just floating ideas.
 
Not to mention the 50 on ours. Oops.
 
2:11 AM
this convo about stars is too woke for my liking....
 
2:36 AM
Only if it’s gold stars for critical race theory.
 
2:59 AM
It gives the Chinese Remainder Theorem a bad acronym
 
3:27 AM
Oh dear!
 
3:53 AM
Still better than "hairy balls theorem"
 
4:28 AM
@Koro If we consider a 3 by 3 matrix B, whose ith row is ($l_i,m_i, n_i$).
Then note that $BB^T =I$.
So $B^TB=I$ (because $B^T$ is the inverse of B).
If we look at the entries of $B^TB$ and compare them with the entires of I. This totally gives me the result. This is what you meant, right? Thank you soooooooo much!!!!!! **I do get it now!, And I was able to understand it completely, thanks to you** I am facing a deficit of words to thank you... 😊 I remain indebted to you.
 
5:01 AM
Yes, that's what I mean.
Glad that you got it :).
 
5:19 AM
I don't understand Lens space definition. What is q in L(p, q)?
 
It’s one of the parameters in the $S^1$ action. Look carefully at exponents.
 
Ohh
The definition in Armstrong is as follows (this is my understanding of the definition) : $Z_p$ acts on S^3 (viewed in C^2), the quotient space $S^3/Z_p$ is called a lens space and is denoted by L(p, q).
No mention of q is what confuses me. There is an alternative definition of L(p, q) in the exercises. The exercise has explicit mention of q.
But the exercise is to show both these spaces homeomorphic. But I don't understand this because the first definition is not clear to me.
According to the first definition: L(p, 1)= L(p, n) for all $n\in \mathbb N$.
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Q: Two definitions of Lens Spaces

viniciuscantocostaI know two definitions of the Lens Space $L(p,q)$: Take $S^3\subset\mathbb{C}^2$, and consider the $\mathbb{Z}_p$ action $T(z_1,z_2)\mapsto (\omega z_1, \omega^q z_2)$, where $\omega = e^{\frac{2\pi i}{p}}$ and $T$ is the generator of $\mathbb{Z}_p$. Then $S^3/\mathbb{Z}_p$ is $L(p,q)$. Take tw...

 
5:39 AM
Can anyone please help me with this: Prove that if a normal subgroup of $A_n$ contains even a single $3-cycle$ it must be all of $A_n.$ I am not getting how to solve this. I know there is a particular thread in this site math.stackexchange.com/questions/4141444/… concerning this topic, but I dont have any idea about the lemma used there. So I dont get the solution there at all. Can anyone suggest me a solution for this....
 
That sounds wrong. I’d suggest other books.
 
armstrong is not a good book.
 
@Koro the $q$ appears in the action
 
even if q does appear in the action.
 
(or at least it should if the book is correct)
 
5:41 AM
@AlessandroCodenotti ohh
 
@Franklin This is in every algebra text. You need to prove that $A_n$ is generated by the $3$-cycles.
 
My understanding of the definition was wrong. The definition makes sense to me now. Thank you so much :-).
 
I said to look at exponents ;)
 
@TedShifrin The fact that $A_n$ is generated by three cycles is known to me, but how to use it to prove the statement🤔
 
in which we explore the difference between being generated by the $3$-cycles and being generated by three cycles.
 
5:45 AM
Use normality and one $3$-cycle to get other $3$-cycles. :)
remember how conjugation works with cycles.
 
@TedShifrin yes indeed. Somehow I thought that the exponents were the same viz, $ 2 \pi i/p$
@leslietownes why?
I think I am getting some understanding of quotient spaces there :-).
 
i don't think it engages with the material in a way that lets you formulate generalizations of the material. it is probably fine for the basics of point-set topology, but so would any other topology book. same way chapter 2 of rudin is a kind of decent topology book.
 
A p-set made me prove the following:
\begin{align}
\sum_{k=0}^\infty\frac1{2^k}\binom{n+k}k&=2^{n+1}\\
\sum_{k=0}^n\frac1{2^k}\binom{n+k}k&=2^n
\end{align}I know how to do the first one (in fact $\sum_{k=0}^\infty\binom{n+k}kx^k=\frac1{(1-x)^{n+1}},$ so we may substitute $x=\frac12$), but I have no idea how to do the second one - at least, not in an elegant way. I managed to do an ugly induction proof.
Waaait... I think I see how to do it?
 
How bout the complementary sum?
 
Well, I suppose it'd be $2^n$.
 
5:52 AM
Right. But can you trickily do that infinite sum?
 
Do you see a way to do it?
I'd be surprised if it was easier than the finite one.
@AkivaWeinberger Never mind
 
But still, I am having difficulty in showing things like L(p, q) is homomorphic to L(p, q') if p divides q-q'.
It feels like I am lacking a huge background.
Leslie: one of the reasons why I like Armstrong is because it has a solution manual.
That helps me sometimes. But sometimes like in the above exercise, I don't even understand the solution.
 
who gives a shit about lens spaces anyway.
i have a phd and nobody ever asked me about them, sounds like some crap to me.
 
I feel the same about nets. welcome to my college.
 
i like nets. nets are cool.
 
6:01 AM
And some exercises in Armstrong are like: find an action of Z on torus which would give a cylinder as orbit space.
I'm completely clueless to those.
I also don't understand example 3 on page no. 81 of Armstrong. I think I'll post that as a question on mse.
 
at some point you have to say 'who cares lol' and focus on stuff that you actually care about for some other reason than someone said it's in a textbook you should read or a body of material that someone says you should cover. for me personally, armstrong did not pass that threshold.
 
Leslie: I don't know of many topology books. There is Hatcher but it's not for a beginner like me. It doesn't even discuss quotient topology.
 
so what?
 
Munkres does have that and I learnt from Munkres but look at me getting stuck at pretty much every exercise on quotient topology in Armstrong ( I feel some progress in me but I want to reduce no. of times of getting stuck).
 
@TedShifrin @TedShifrin Did you mean this in $A_n$ ?
 
6:11 AM
@Franklin Yes
Oops.
 
Armstrong discusses universal property of quotient topology a bit differently (I understand that that is same As Munkres). But I think the way it was said in Armstrong will never make me forget it. I absorbed it /learnt it :).
 
What does normality of a subgroup tell you, Franklin?
 
@TedShifrin So that means $A_n$ is generated by three cycles
 
But still, getting stuck at pretty much every exercise in Armstrong is what bothers me.
 
@TedShifrin By normality of A_n, it implies $\forall a\in A_n$ and $\forall b\in S_n$ $bab^{-1}\in A_n$
 
6:19 AM
No. Reread the exercise you’re doing.
 
@TedShifrin Which one of it do you mean incorrect?
 
I tried to show L(p, q) is homeomorphic to L(p, q') if p divides q-q'
 
@TedShifrin @TedShifrin Oops I thought you meant this for me...
 
Let g be the generator of Z_p. Z_p acts on S^3 via two different actions - 1) corresponds to L(p, q), 2) corresponds to L(p, q')
1) $g(z_0,z_1)= (exp (2\pi i/p) z_0, exp(2\pi q'/p) z_1)$
Setting q'=q+mp it follows that the actions are the same!!
So 1) and 2) are the same actions
Hence L(p, q) is homeomorphic to L(p, q').
$\ddot\smile$
 
6:37 AM
@Franklin I did.
 
@TedShifrin Which one of it do you mean incorrect?
Then my question is the above one I wrote....I dont get it
 
 
7 hours later…
1:16 PM
@AlessandroCodenotti Do you know someone who study at Pisa?
 
2:00 PM
Consider the sequence $0<a_1<1$ and $a_{n+1}=\cos a_n$ for $n\ge 1$. I showed by induction that $0<a_n<1$ for each $n\in\mathbb{N}$. Now I want to show that it is Cauchy, can someone check my reasoning about Cauchyness, please? Let $\epsilon>0$. Since $\lim_{k\to+\infty} 2(\sin 1)^k=0$, there exists $k_\epsilon\in\mathbb{N}$ such that for each $k\in\mathbb{N}$, $k \ge k_\epsilon \implies 2(\sin 1)^k<\epsilon$. So, in particular, it is $2(\sin 1)^{k_\epsilon}<\epsilon$.
Let $n,m\in\mathbb{N}$ such that $n>k_\epsilon$ and $m>k_\epsilon$. It is $|a_n-a_m|=|\cos a_{n-1} \cos a_{m-1}|=2\left|\sin\frac{a_{n-1}+a_{m-1}}{2}\right|\cdot\left|\sin\frac{a_{n-1}-a_{m-1}}{2}\right|$.
Since $0<a_n<1$ for any $n\in\mathbb{N}$, it is $0<\frac{a_{n-1}+a_{m-1}}{2}<1$ and so $0<\left|\sin\frac{a_{n-1}+a_{m-1}}{2}\right|<\sin 1$ and $|\sin x|\le|x|$ for each $x\in\mathbb{R}$, it is $2\left|\sin\frac{a_{n-1}+a_{m-1}}{2}\right|\cdot \left|\sin\frac{a_{n-1}-a_{m-1}}{2}\right|\le \sin 1\cdot|a_{n-1}-a_{m-1}|$.
By induction, $|a_n-a_m| \le (\sin 1)^{k_\epsilon}|a_{n-k_\epsilon}-a_{m-k_\epsilon}|$. Finally, $(\sin 1)^{k_\epsilon}|a_{n-k_\epsilon}-a_{m-k_\epsilon}| \le (\sin 1)^{k_\epsilon}(|a_{n-k_\epsilon}|+|a_{m-k_\epsilon}|)\le2(\sin 1)^{k_\epsilon}<\epsilon$.
 
2:15 PM
@SineoftheTime No, I only know people who studied there years ago and a guy that works there at the moment
 
2:34 PM
@AlessandroCodenotti I was thinking to do the master there, but I'd like to have more information
 
2:59 PM
lens spaces are very cool
 
9 hours ago, by Koro
And some exercises in Armstrong are like: find an action of Z on torus which would give a cylinder as orbit space.
how do we solve these type of exercises?
say, give an action of Z on $R\times [0,1]$ that will give Mobius strip as orbit space.
 
you draw a picture
 
3:14 PM
Ok but here we have an infinite sheet. If it were a rectangle, I would have got a Mobius strip.
 
they mean an open Möbius strip
 
ohh what is that?
And I'm also confused with what a disjoint union of topological spaces is. (this is not related to the above)
 
Hey, I have a relatively simple question about Matrix Norms, I really would love to have the solution verified: math.stackexchange.com/questions/4631591/…
 
3:37 PM
@SineoftheTime I see, unfortunately I don't know anyone currently enrolled there. The masters program is supposed to be very good from what I've heard though. Where are you studying at the moment if you don't mind sharing?
 
@Koro the same thing as the usual Möbius strip, but without the boundary circle
 
sorry, I don't understand the boundary of Mobius strip. What is boundary circle of a Mobius strip?
 
what is a Möbius strip to you?
actually, don't answer that
look at this picture long enough and tell me what the boundary circle is
 
I take a rectangle $[0,1]\times [0,1]$. I define ~ as follows: (0,y)~ (1,y) for every y in [0,1], (x,1)~ (x,0) for every x in [0,1], (x,y) ~ (x,y) for all x,y in (0,1). Then $[0,1]\times [0,1]$/~ is Mobius strip.
 
OK now do that with [0,1] x (0,1)
 
3:50 PM
@Thorgott no, I should have stated that.
@Thorgott is it the following: a particle starts moving at the yellow boundary and follows the edge through red, purple and then meets back at the yellow boundary point where it started its journey. So the locus of that particle is the boundary circle ?
 
Hello.
 
yes, that's right
now convince yourself my and leslie's description of the open strip are compatible
 
!ruojnoB
 
thanks a lot, that makes sense to me now :-)
 
@AlessandroCodenotti I'm studying at the university of Ferrara, near Bologna. I tried to see the programm of the master at Pisa, but it's not clear. I'd like to have additional informations
 
3:57 PM
Which area are you planning to specialize in, if you already have an idea?
 
@AlessandroCodenotti I prefer calculus over algebra/geometry
but I've been told that Bologna is better
 
@Koro correction: (x,1)~ (1-x,0) for all x in [0,1].
@Thorgott thinking
 
I just found out that @TedShifrin made the problems for the later editions of Spivak calculus, I'm thoroughly enjoying them !
 
I'm very far from actual analysis, so I'm not sure which places in Italy are good, apart from Trieste which is supposed to be very good for analysis and mathematical physics
 
@AlessandroCodenotti I know a guy who'll go to study at Trieste because there's a specialist of Riemann Hypothesis
 
4:05 PM
no my description of Mobius strip was wrong. I only have to identify one pair of opposite edges with opposite orientations.
 
But I don't know if I'd like to go to Pisa, expecially I'm intrested in the programm. However, I've heard that on average 0 students are admitted at the master
 
@leslietownes ahh
then there won't be a boundary per se (why? because the points (x,0) and (x,1) are not there).
 
ello again
 
thanks a lot @Thorgott and @leslietownes. I think I understood it now.
I can now atleast try the exercise I talked about earlier.
 
@SineoftheTime are you talking about the normale or the university of the Pisa? I think that kind of numbers are for the former
 
4:14 PM
@AlessandroCodenotti yes I did not specify, I was referring to Normale
 
Ahh ok, then yes, it's going to be extremely hard
 
@AlessandroCodenotti I know, I've seen some past exams and are though
 
I define the following action of Z on $R\times [0,1]$: ($\forall n\in \mathbb Z, \forall x\in \mathbb R, \forall t\in [0,1]$) n. (x, 0)= (x+n, 1) , n.(x,1)=(x-n, 0), n(x,t)=(x,t) for all x in R, t in (0,1).
but this looks wrong as 0.(x,0)= (x,1), which should have been (x,0) so this . is not an action.
 
4:39 PM
If x ∈ Q and x = sup{q ∈ Q | q > 0, q^2 < 2} then x > 0 and x^2 = 2.
Proof: Let E equal the set on the right hand side, and suppose x ∈ Q such that x = sup E. Then, since 1 ∈ E
and x is an upper bound for E, 1 ≤ x =⇒ x > 0.
We now prove that x^2 ≥ 2. Suppose that x^2 < 2.
Define h=min{1/2,(2-x^2)/(2(2x+1))}.
I am curious why h is defined is it is.
Epically why is there 1/2? and why compare it with (2-x^2)/(2(2x+1))?
 
@Koro think geometrically, you want each $[0,1]\times[0,1]$ to become a Möbius square and all of those to be identified, that means you should twist the second-coordinate every time you traverse an entire interval in the first coordinate
 
here is clear version of proof, it is at bottom of the pdf ocw.mit.edu/courses/18-100a-real-analysis-fall-2020/resources/…
 
4:58 PM
@Thorgott hmm, I'll think more about the figuring out the action.
 
ignore what I said about the open strip earlier btw, I had misread something
 
ok :).
what do we mean by disjoint space of X and Y?
Disjoint part is somewhat okay but what will be the topology on this set?
Also what would happen if $X\cap Y$ is non empty?
 
you mean disjoint union?
 
i.e., what is the meaning of disjoint union of 'non disjoint spaces X and Y'?
@Thorgott yes.
 
you make them disjoint
usually by taking e.g. $X\times\{0\}\cup Y\times\{1\}$
or, more generally, if you have a collection sets $X_i$ indexed with $i\in I$, you take $\bigcup_{i\in I}X_i\times\{i\}$
 
5:05 PM
ohh!!
 
so if $x\in X\cap Y$, $(x,0)$ and $(x,1)$ are still distinct points (analogously in the more general case)
we've added a "second coordinate" to "keep track of which set an element comes from"
 
thanks a lot, I understand it now.
 
as for the topology, in the first case, the open sets are of the form $U\times\{0\}\cup V\times\{1\}$ with $U\subseteq X$ and $V\subseteq Y$ open respectively
in particular, $X\times\{0\}$ and $Y\times\{1\}$ are disjoint open subsets of the disjoint union and they are homeomorphic to $X$ and $Y$ respectively
hence the name :)
 
@nickbros123 Some ... And some additions/modifications to the text, too.
 
@Thorgott yes, it makes sense :-). Thank you :).
An observation: Suppose q: X-->X/~ is a quotient map. If X is connected, then X/~ is also connected; if X is compact, X/~ is compact :-).
 
5:27 PM
Hi, I can write square root as \sqrt{}, how to write cube root or 6th root?
 
\sqrt[6]{ }
 
I have to reduce a 6x6 matrix to its reduced echelon form
Wish me luck
 
@leslietownes thanks
 
5:45 PM
Yippee!! I showed that if Q acts on R as follows: q. r = q+r, then the orbit space R/Q is an indiscrete space.
 
Fact I just learned: if $M$ is an invertible matrix, then $Mu\times Mv=|M|M^{-\top}(u\times v)$
where $|M|$ is the determinant and $M^{-\top}$ is the inverse of transpose (or transpose of inverse)
In general this is the matrix of cofactors, so $Mu\times Mv={\rm Co}(M)(u\times v)$.
 
I proved it like this: Take the quotient map p: R-->R/Q. Let $p^{-1}(U)$ be an open set in R for some U subset of R/Q. Suppose that U is non empty. There exist rationals a and b, a<b, $(a,b)\subset p^{-1}(U)\implies p(a,b)\subset U, p(a,b)=\{[c]: c\in (a,b)\}$. Take any r in R. There exists an s in Q, r-s is in (a,b). It follows that there is a $c_r$ in (a,b), $[c_r]=[r]$. It follows that $R/Q=\cup_{c\in (a,b)} [c]\subset U$, whence $U=R/Q$.
Hence, the only open sets in R/Q are $\emptyset$ and R/Q.
 
@AkivaWeinberger This actually comes up in differential geometry in a somewhat unimportant place. But you'll find that and proof here.
@CuriousMind Of course, supposing the sup of $E$ is in $\Bbb Q$ is a mistake! You know it cannot be. In general, it's better to figure out your own proof than to read someone else's. You need $h>0$ so that $(x+h)^2<2$, showing that $x$ cannot be an upper bound of $E$ at all. Now just figure out your own $h$ that will work. You need $2xh+h^2<2-x^2$.
 
Can I have a feedback on this chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/62907701#62907701 by someone, please?
 
6:10 PM
@Gwyn This seems way too messy to me. Can't you show that $|a_{n+1}-a_n|\le c|a_n-a_{n-1}|$ with $0<c<1$. Then a geometric series easily shows that the sequence is Cauchy.
 
@TedShifrin I had same thought but taking min of 1/2 and other formula doesn't make any sense to me.
I mean I think 1/2 is redundant.
 
@Curious It's like most limit proofs. You need a preliminary assumption to get bounds when you have something more complicated than a linear function. You want to bound $h(2x+h)$. I would just do something simpler. We know $x<2$. If we restrict $h<1$ (which of course is ridiculously big), then $2x+h<5$. So you just need $0<h<(x^2-2)/5$.
Thus, I need $h<\min(1,(x^2-2)/5)$. Like in "all" limit proofs.
They are doing the same thing, but leaving $x$ in there and using $h<1/2$.
 
Now It makes some sense. I think I have seen this before.
 
You need an a priori bound on $2x+h$, so you need an a priori bound on $h$. That's where the $1/2$ comes from.
If you've ever proved $\lim_{x\to 2} x^2=4$, you've seen this sort of argument.
 
@TedShifrin thanks for the answer, I will try to do that) apart from messiness, is the reasoning valid?
 
6:18 PM
To be honest, I could not begin to spend an hour reading it.
I think bogging down in trig identities is a mistake.
We need just to know that we're in a closed interval where $|\sin|\le c<1$ and then invoke the Mean Value Theorem. That's always the tool you should think of.
 
Ok, then I'll try to clean it up with your suggestions and writing it more concisely, thanks anyway)
 
@TedShifrin by the way, I came across your lecture video on YouTube about matrices where you explained row operations in detail. I gotta you explained it really well, helped me review matrices
 
My 40 years of grading student homework papers are long past, and I am not paid to read a page-long detailed argument :)
@ペガサスSeiya Did you watch the one on elementary matrices, too?
 
Start there^
 
It was only when I started teaching these things that I understood that certain elementary matrices commute and can be combined nicely. This makes figuring out $LU$ much easier :)
 
6:25 PM
@TedShifrin yes, someone created a playlist with that video at the very bottom. I watched that first
 
People are stealing my videos for their own playlists? Interesting.
 
Your lecture videos on YouTube are a treasure worth "stealing."
 
Thanks, @user4539917. Where are my royalties? :D
 
ted shifrin onlyfans math content when
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You'll be treated as royalty wherever you go.
 
6:28 PM
That's the sort of royalties that put me in the poor house. On three books, this past year I got a total of $500 for all that work. :D
 
i got my copy of multivariable mathematics on hotbiz dot manybooks dot content dot ru
 
This is rampant downvoting gone amuck. And of course we have to punish the people who took time and effort to write examples/explanations.
 
your Leslie coin will be emailed shortly
 
Leslie has owed me thousands of lesliecoin for over a year. He's in arrears.
I should sic Munchkin on him.
 
lol
 
6:30 PM
ted is spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt about the soundness of lesliecoin. probably because he is himself in arrears to his publisher for the lavish advance they gave him on multivariable mathematics, which they have yet to recoup, because his book sucks.
 
Well, send me what you promised, and I may doubt the soundness a little less.
 
you've got millions of lesliecoin. more than copper, anyway.
 
Maybe I can be thrown out of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, too.
I haven't got any of that. You claim to be holding them for me, but I have yet to see a puny cent.
 
well, we have yet to implement conversion of lesliecoin to other forms of money. we are explicit about that.
but fiat will be worthless soon, and lesliecoin will endure.
 
You haven't converted Lesliecoin to certificates of ownership, either, I gather.
 
6:34 PM
how many certificates do you want?
 
@Gwyn you might consider $\cos(\cos(x))-\cos(x)=2\sin\left(\frac{x+\cos(x)}2\right)\sin\left(\frac{x-\cos(x)}2\right)$ and think about contraction mappings.
 
Whatever is required for the Lesliecoin you've promised me for years.
@robjohn My suggestion above is far less arduous and more direct (and more general).
 
and what happened to the calendar?
doesn't Feb deserve counting upon :P
 
We just missed Groundhog Day, but Darwin/Lincoln/Ted day is coming up around the corner.
 
That's some mighty prestigious company you have in common.
 
6:40 PM
my suggestion shows that $|\cos(\cos(x))-\cos(x)|\lt|\cos(x)-x|$, that is $|\cos(x_n)-x_n|$ is a decreasing sequence.
 
I'm not willing to work that hard.
I aim for MVT and contraction off the bat.
@user4539917 I hope they don't eject me.
 
DLT Day!
 
My professor said she took analysis course 10 times just to pass...
 
10? Really
 
Really. I was wondering do you really take this amount?
To master it?
 
6:44 PM
@TedShifrin just like how I owe millions in property taxes?
 
It would take 5 years to take a course 10 times.
 
@user4539917 unless they took some of them concurrently.
 
May be... considering her age :P
I do think they take the course this much considering how quick their response are
 
@ペガサスSeiya real estate seems like a profitable business.
:-)
 
@Koro it is
If you manage to sell an ocean-side property in Arizona
 
6:49 PM
@robjohn ok, 1 year if they took the same course 5 times each semester
 
Even at MIT there were numerous students who had to take 18.100 (Rudin real analysis) numerous times to get a good grade when I was an undergrad in the early 70s. Soon thereafter, they created a more accessible version of the course — presumably intended for students not planning to go to do a PhD in math.
 
Enough real analysis
 
My professor for the course was a probabilist (now deceased) who never drew a picture (just like Rudin) and who spent the first weeks of the course "motivating" Dedekind cuts by trying to define arithmetic carefully with infinite decimals. Suffice to say, this was not my favorite math course during my career.
 
Where's fake analysis?
 
@ペガサスSeiya You only get to that after imaginary analysis.
 
6:53 PM
Just before political analysis
 
Real analysis is probably my favorite class right now
 
I actually never taught that course in all my years. I had a lot more fun teaching analysis in the context of Spivak and then my multivariable math book. That was something like 27 years of teaching analysis. :)
 
Suppose that I take a Mobius strip and identify its boundary circle to a point, then am I right in saying that the resulting identification is two disks connected at a point?
 
Calculus is good name for analysis book
 
i.e., I get a figure like 8
of course the solid one (i.e., there is material inside holes of 8 too.)
 
6:57 PM
The only thing I dislike about university classes is how far away I have to sit from the whiteboards
I have vision problems so thats problematic
 
Show up earlier for a better seat.
 
I sit at the front and I still struggle to see
 
:-/
 
Wonder if Ted would allow one of the students to sit at the front because of poor vision
 
I think that should not be a problem. Did you talk to the professors there?
 
7:02 PM
I haven't
 
You can ask for larger text
 
I'm due for a laser surgery soon anyway
 
In our class, the teachers draw a line on board and write above that line so that people from back seat can also see.
 
I started developing myopia at an early age and its now really starting to affect me
 
7:06 PM
I used to sit near the first row or in the first row but now I prefer to sit close to the last row as I find attending classes at my college a complete waste of time. So sitting there helps me self study and the attendance issue is also resolved. If there is no attendance in a class here, I avoid attending that class.
 
@ペガサスSeiya Of course. I had to produce individually printed exams for one student (with 36-point type, or something like that) because his vision was so bad. This guy now has a PhD in CS and is himself a professor! :)
 
@ペガサスSeiya good luck. I heard that for about 3 months after the surgery, you won't be allowed to see phone/laptop screen.
 
Ted has thicc handwriting.
 
I hadn't encountered "thicc" before your post yesterday. I'm not sure it's altogether complimentary.
 
@Koro yes, but only for my left eye
 
7:11 PM
@Koro No, I don't believe so. I believe the right answer is that you get the real projective plane.
You take a disk with the upper semicircle of its boundary identified to the lower semicircle (point to antipode).
 
@TedShifrin why do you write like this in lecture videos
 
Huh?
 
Walter Lewin has incredible chalk board skills.
 
Are you asking what handwriting/script is?
 
@TedShifrin Your handwriting is good in other word :)
 
7:15 PM
Unfortunately, MIT had to remove Lewin's lectures because of his nefarious transgressions.
 
everyone's handwriting is good when they are typing in a chat.
 
@Koro Some still better than others. Many are filled with typos (like mine when I type on my iPad).
 
@TedShifrin was that proven??
 
I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.
 
lewin is good physics teacher unfortunately
 
7:16 PM
One of my colleagues at UGA was fired, tenure revoked, for similar things (but done over the years in person). Sigh.
 
@TedShifrin hmm, thinking...
 
@Koro What I described above is the usual description of $\Bbb RP^2$.
One way of checking that this is correct is that one of the common descriptions of the projective plane is that it's a Möbius strip with a disk attached to the boundary circle.
 
remember kids, no one wants your dick pics, especially they're trying to focus on the physics lecture
 
I see why it will be true: I take a rectangle $[0,1]\times [0,1]$ and identify the top side to a point, and the bottom to another point- we get a disk.
 
Right.
 
7:19 PM
Now, identifying anti-podal points gives me the projective plane.
 
Right. Well said.
 
@TedShifrin yeah but homeomorphic, right?
 
No, no. I missed the "another." You were right.
I've deleted. :)
 
:)
When I said 8 earlier, I missed identifying the horizontal sides.
But I do feel now that I'm getting a better understanding of the quotient topology.
 
It just takes practice. Sometimes it's very hard.
 
7:22 PM
 
@TedShifrin :-).
@robjohn police.mit.edu MIT has their own police too!!
 
@Koro UCLA does, too. I don't know for sure, but I think a lot of larger institutions do.
 
in general, if $M$ is a compact manifold with non-empty boundary, then $M/\partial M$ is the one-point compactification of $\mathrm{int}(M)$
the interior of the closed Möbius strip is the open Möbius strip, which is homeomorphic to a punctured projective plane
so its compactification is a projective plane
 
@robjohn How about, just for Feb 14th, you change from frown to smile. Just that day?? Maybe, and of course, you are free to ignore such suggestions :-)
 
@amWhy just to appease the greeting card companies?
 
7:37 PM
@Koro You'd be surprised how many campuses have "their own police"!
@robjohn No, not at all. It'd just be nice to see a rarely seen smile from you!! That's all!
 
@robjohn where did you do your PhD?
 
@SineoftheTime I went to grad school at Princeton (with Eli Stein)
 
@robjohn Do you know by chance a professor who teach in Italy that studied at Princeton?
 
Not off hand. Who are you thinking of?
 
@Thorgott I think in general one can say that: If X is compact Hausdorff, A is closed in X, then X/A is homeomorphic to one pt. compactification of (X-A).
 
7:41 PM
@robjohn his name is Foschi
 
Nope, don't know them
Do you know when they were at Princeton?
 
@robjohn Stein and Shakarchi?
😮😮😮😮
 
nope unfortunately
But he met John Nash in an elevator
 
@Koro Shakarchi was there after me.
 
😮😮
 
7:43 PM
John Nash hung around the Math department while I was there, but it was before he got better.
 
wow Stein was also the advisor of David Jerison
 
Yes, and Charles Fefferman and Terry Tao
 
the world is small
 
@robjohn Maybe even not so large. A lot of colleges do, too.
Wise to remove, Curious. :)
 
@Koro right
you don't even need A closed, I guess
 
7:57 PM
@robjohn What I wanted to ask was: is this police a private police (like some firm provides the security staff) or this police is the govt. police (being paid by the US govt.) and can make arrests?
 
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