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EM4
12:34 AM
Merry Christmas Eve!!!
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1:28 AM
@EM4 very precise of you
:)
🎄
@copper.hat I'm drinking a glass of Merlot
I had one shot of gin, and my sister is getting a bag of ice since our ice maker needs work
Jesus, where is every one? Probably drinking :D
 
EM4
:)
how's life?
 
Hi EM4 … happy holidays!
I haven’t poured my gin martini yet, @Penand.
 
@TedShifrin how do you make one?
We have vermouth, orange bitters, etc. All ready to go
 
EM4
1:43 AM
long time no talk @TedShifrin.
 
Gin, very dry vermouth, olives or twist. I use good gin snd hardly any vermouth.
 
twist = lime?
 
Officially. It’s 2 or 3 to 1. Mine is about 12 to 1.
Lemon, typically
 
12 to 1 alcohol to vermouth?
 
Vermouth is alcohol, too.
 
1:45 AM
Is it a surjection or an injection?
 
Shake or stir vigorously with ice.
 
I think we have one of those, just have to find the lid to it
 
For myself I never bother with a shaker.
 
So 1-2 shots of gin, 1/12 of that of vermouth, + how much olive or pickle juice?
 
I want to taste the gin. If you want to use olive juice, you should use vodka :)
 
1:48 AM
@TedShifrin that's cool that you do drugs (alcohol) :)
lol
 
But some people like their gin martini dirty. Not me.
 
Dirty = olive juice
 
Yes, but it’s my only one :)
@PenAndPaperMathematics yes
 
I have a vise in the garage, that's my only one
 
I would lose fingers if I used those.
 
1:49 AM
What do you do on this eve of Christmas, Ted? Spend it with fam?
 
Never pay much attention to Xmas.
 
My grandma, aunt JoAnn are here to stay with us - hence the 11 cats. My sister and her dog are over, and my mom is off work at 8:30pm, and dad & sis went to get an x-mas tree
 
Wow, talk about last minute!
 
That's my dog Luna a beagle hound, not my sisters
My sister has a friendly pitbullish dog
 
I won’t tell my cat.
 
1:53 AM
That's my mom's cat Pooja Patel
 
Gorgeous.
 
lol
Here cold ears are mine though :)
She likes gravy & kibble for some reason, and doesn't dig on the canned meat
Just the gravy from the can
Reminds me, I have to feed the night cats soon
I'm re-studying Adjoints again, this time without a joint :) From Leinster's Basic Cat Theory
 
@PenAndPaperMathematics i have a reasonable merlot beside me, a grgich hills 2016 merlot, but will save it for guests, i will just have something light & white tonight unless i can persuade a friend to drink in which case it will be Amarone della Valpolicella
 
An unpresumptuous Italian …
 
2:15 AM
i find that beyond a certain investment, the relationship between price & enjoyment is somewhat tenuous. however, i have found the relationship between price & perspective next morning to be a lot less so.
 
Yeah, I am not cheap with my food, wine, and liquor.
 
@copper.hat wow, fancy pants inhabit this space. I'll smoke tocracco off the ground!
for you a dirty Jalepeno juice martini, some estimated fraction of vermouth
Tanquery imported gin
 
@PenAndPaperMathematics i am a fairly utilitarian person, and focus on value. headaches carry a high penalty :-)
 
@TedShifrin that was for both of you
the pic
I'm drinking that, it's spicy times tomorrow I guess
 
i need to drive a little to drop stuff off, so will wait on my wine for a few hours :-(
 
2:22 AM
LOL, DUI master's degree
 
Enjoy!
 
I have one of those, we kept circling this block, missing our turn, then on the final one, I missed the green light slightly, they pulled us over at the liquor store. This is over 10 years ago, lol
 
So small family Xmas, copper?
 
He has liquere beside him, he said. He's homeless and his wine rack is right next to him literally, lol nvm that would be me at times
 
No projections for Xmas!
 
2:26 AM
$\prod_{i\in I} A_i \to A_j$ you mean?
It's a weird flavor Ted, but okay every once in a while
I always hairspry my peppers before eating them, anyway :D
@robjohn your avatar looks delighted in this xmas season
It's like an angry Tetris unit block
Anyone want to do some drunken coding tonight with me?
I cleaned the house all day, so got my exercise. Time to code :)
 
Not everyone likes the taste of gin. Tanqueray is admittedly one of my favorites, but it’s good.
Ted does not code.
 
have you taken any CS courses?
 
When I went to college, programming was punch cards.
 
I see.
 
I do write some Mathematica code … or used to.
 
2:37 AM
@TedShifrin Same for me
 
There's a "Proof assistant" site proposal coming in January.
 
What does that mean?
 
we'll see
 
Do we not already do people’s proof-based homework?
 
@PenAndPaperMathematics It is a mean square turned Grinchy
 
2:43 AM
@robjohn One of our “friends” seems to be downvoting my accepted answer to a relatively low-effort question.
 
@TedShifrin are there close votes on the question?
 
323
Proof Assistants

Proposed Q&A site for mathematicians and computer scientists who develop and use proof assistants.

Currently in commitment.

 
I love “friends” like that.
I will have to check. When I answered, I think there was at most one. I did comment in my answer that there were plenty of other occurrences of the question. (A standard Frobenius Theorem question of the qualifying exam sort.)
It is now closed. I answered pretty soon after it was posted, so I don't recall any close votes right then. I guess I do treat graduate level stuff differently from low-level, but I never downvote an answerer. I guess that's our "friend"'s and others' new approach. I am really rather fed up.
@anonymous Oh, computerized proofs. AI in which I have marginal interest.
 
3:01 AM
Thanks for having a look :-)
 
3:39 AM
@TedShifrin We will go to my wife's cousins for the holiday, not exactly traditional, a blend of Indonesian & western. My daughter will spend the holiday in college in the UK, her first away from family.
 
I’ll take Indonesian food, please!
 
3:56 AM
Make mine extra spicy, please 🥵
 
4:31 AM
:-). Rarely need to ask for extra spicy when it comes to Indo food!
 
https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/43019671#43019671
Unfortunately, so far kpop failed to produce anythingy that does not look like a homework question -_-
 
maybe mukbang or bts?
 
5:00 AM
Interesting suggestion hmm... https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/dema-2013-0434/html
Those eatcasts reminds me strongly of these...
 
ted: good call on adding spinach to that saffron tomato/quinoa soup.
 
well, 3 out of 4 ain't bad
not a quinoa fan
 
5:18 AM
@PenAndPaperMathematics that's name of the cat?
any hints on showing that square matrices A and B have the same eigenvectors if AB=BA and A and B are such that they have the same eigenvalues?
 
are you saying that $A,B$ have the same eigenvalues?
 
Yes, Given: $AB=BA$ and that "A and B have the same eigenvalues".
To prove: $A$ and $B$ have the same eigenvectors.
 
you're assuming something about multiplicities? consider the 2x2 identity matrix and [[1,1],[0,1]] which does not have [0,1]^t as an eigenvector
you were working on something like this the other day, right? just arriving at the right set of hypotheses is 99% of it
 
Merry Christmas/Holidays/etc.
 
to you too, under.
 
5:29 AM
@Koro is that a given problem, or something you are proposing as a problem?
 
Thank you.
 
@leslietownes Glad it worked!
Hi @under
 
@copper.hat it's a result in a booklet.
 
my daughter ate a bit of cheese/egg/shallot/dijon mustard on a baguette that we toasted in the toaster oven. she was planning on just PB&J and some frozen pineapple chunks but liked the way it looked.
 
But it looks wrong as the multiplication with identity shows.
 
5:32 AM
koro: by 'same eigenvalues' they are probably assuming not just that the sets of eigenvalues are the same, but also (at a minimum) that the geometric multiplicities of the eigenvalues are the same for each operator.
 
Leslie: yes, I was trying to prove this statement which I wrongly thought to be true.
 
this is what is going on in the 'distinct eigenvalues' case i think you were handling the other day. same dimension of each eigenspace.
 
Or assume diagonalizable.
 
Hi Ted
 
it's not unheard of for a book to refer to the spectrum as not just the set of points but the set plus a multiplcity function. it's not common but i've seen it. if they were looking at something in a translation from another language maybe they missed this.
"same eigenvalues" to me does sound like just the point set.
 
5:34 AM
another guess the question
 
maybe you mean share a eigenvector @Koro, not all
 
Lots of crap out there!
 
its true that they will always share some eigenvector, but certainly not all
 
our dishwasher appears to have broken. we don't use it a huge amount, but i'd specifically planned on hand washing a bunch of stuff while the dishwasher did the simple things and not having two sinks and four sets of hands was annoying this evening. merry christmas to me.
 
@porridgemathematics "share the same eigenvectors" was written there. And plural is wrong here.
 
5:39 AM
yeah, im suggesting plural is wrong, but replacing all with exists makes it true
 
I drank coffee before bed, so now I can't sleep, yet I feel too tired to do any thinking.
Unrelated: Terrence Tao seems like a pretty stand-up guy.
I was reading about the analysis texts he's written, only to find that they're available freely online. At least the first volume.
 
he gives the first volume away for free
when you're hooked he starts charging
 
Oh, I see. 😂
 
@Koro although for my statement you don't even need any assumptions on eigenvalues. If two matrices over some field commute such that both their characteristic polynomials split, then they share an eigenvector (but they don't necessarily correspond to the same eigenvalue)
basically just note that in the direct sum decomposition of the space with respect to one of the matrices, each generalized eigenspace is invariant with respect to the other matrix
 
5:57 AM
Ho ho ho! Merry Christmas🎄
 
@porridgemathematics: I see. Only commutativity is required.
 
the bigger the countdown the bigger the ho
 
6:18 AM
💩
 
6:29 AM
@leslietownes there are many grad students in Santa Monica sharing unsanitized Kakeya needles.
 
6:44 AM
while eating $\pi$
 
 
1 hour later…
7:49 AM
Happy Holidays!
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hello
i need help for this
I have this problem $$\begin{cases} y'=-x^2 y^2+\exp(-y^2)\\ y(0)=0\end{cases}$$
the question is: study the existennce and unicity of solution for this problem on $R=\{(x,y)\in\mathbb{R}^2, |x|\leq \frac12, |y|\leq 1\}$
using two methods.

can someone give me a hint on what is the two methods ?

Thank you
 
@Thorgott sorry just noticed your reply, will try to digest in a bit
for what its worth, I found the statement in some uni lecture notes math.ucr.edu/~res/math260s10/manwithbdy.pdf, its the first 'claim' on the fourth page of the pdf
the notes say it has a 'straightforward but messy ' proof
i think whats written after that doesn't make sense though. They say 'clearly $\psi_{\beta,\alpha}$ are diffeomorphisms on the intersection of their domains and codomains with the complement of $\mathbb{R}_{+}^{n}$', I think what they really mean to say here is with the complement of $\{0 \} \times \mathbb{R}^{n-1}$ unless im misunderstanding something
(and the complement of $\{0 \} \times \mathbb{R}^{n-1}$ here is with respect to $\mathbb{R}_{+}^{n}$)
but I don't see how thats very helpful
 
 
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12:15 PM
@porridgemathematics It may also be worth noting that Schultz is a great guy, but probably should have retired several years ago. His approach to things is often a bit out of date (though I haven't looked at that document).
 
1:10 PM
Hi! Happy holidays beautiful chat 💫
 
 
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3:12 PM
Hi I am curious why is when row of 3x3 matrix is linearly dependent vector then determinant of it is 0 in terms of geometric view.
 
@BannedUser It has been a while since I thought about this, but a matrix is a way of representing a linear transformation from one vector space to another.
In the case of an $n\times n$ matrix, you are mapping $n$-dimensional vectors to other $n$-dimensional vectors.
So, consider the $n$ mutually orthogonal unit vectors in $\mathbb{R}^n$ (concretely, take $(1,0,0), (0,1,0), (0,0,10$ in $\mathbb{R}^3$).
These vectors define a cube of unit volume.
Now hit those three vectors with a $3\times 3$ matrix. The result will be a parallelepiped.
If I recall correctly, the volume of this parallelepiped is the determinant of the matrix.
So having a determinant of zero means that the image of the unit cube has zero volume. Which suggests that the cube has been smashed down to something which does not have volume (such as a portion of a plane, or a line segment, or a single point).
 
3:48 PM
True. But when column vector is linearly dependent it makes sense that cube or parallelepiped is smashed down to plane or single point but when it is row it doesn't maketh sense. To me column vector represent where i j and k unit vector lies after transformation but the row doesn't makes sense to me in geometric point of view...
 
@BannedUser I'm sorry... what? A column vector cannot be linearly independent.
 
@XanderHenderson why?
 
What is the definition of "linearly independent"?
(or "dependent", if you prefer)
 
4:06 PM
linearly independent means when I got n vector with n component and the linear combination of them spans $\Bbb{R}^n$.
If it doesn't then it's linearly dependent.
 
Okay, that isn't quite the standard definition of "linear independence". That is a definition of a linearly independent spanning set, or some such.
In any event, in your definition, linear independence describes a property of a set of vectors. So what does it mean for a single vector to be linearly dependent?
 
sorry I was assuming you knew i was talking about vector within the matrix
this is what i was talking about
 
Okay. So you have a matrix in which one of the rows is a linear combination of the other two rows.
 
Yup
 
So what is the question?
 
4:16 PM
but I think I should instead do some example and do it myself
@XanderHenderson nevermind
 
5:06 PM
Hello please can someone explain me this comment
 
@Vrouvrou ?
 
Suppose that I have an entire function $f$ and I want to check whether it extends to be analytic on the extended complex plane $\Bbb{C}_{\infty}$? How does one go about doing this? How does one check analyticity at $z = \infty$?
 
5:56 PM
@user193319 Since $\infty$ must be an (isolated) singular point, the question only makes sense if you consider this as a map to the extended plane. You take coordinate charts at $\infty$ in both domain and range in the obvious way (let $u=1/x$ and $v=1/y$).
 
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Q: Proving theorem 7..11 from Rudin's PMA

KoroTheorem: Let $(f_n)$ be a sequence of real valued functions defined on metric space $E$. Suppose that $(f_n)$ converges uniformly on $E$ to the limit function $f$. Let $x$ be a limit point of $E$. Suppose that $ \lim_{t\to x}f_n(t)=:A_n$ exists for every $n\in \mathbb N$. Then $\lim A_n$ exists a...

can anyone please let me know if my proof is correct?
 
Please quit the use of unnecessary symbols (like $\land$) in a proof. Use words, or, better yet, say $m,n\ge N$. I quit reading at "taking $\lim_t\to x$ of both sides," because what you wrote is somewhat wrong.
 
noted, thanks a lot. I have edited the post. I also changed "taking limit $\lim$..." to limit $t\to x$.
 
6:12 PM
No, no, the $\lim_{t\to x}$ was not the issue. Your conclusion is the issue.
We all do write $m,n\ge N$ rather than separate inequalities, by the way.
 
Argh, $\le \epsilon$
 
Right.
 
and I put $\lt \epsilon$
 
You have similar problems later, I bet.
 
You mean apart from the theorem I posted?
 
6:15 PM
we all have problems, ted.
 
Or in the same post? Yes, I fixed that now, Ted.
:)
 
The Rudin-careful proof will use $\epsilon/2$s so that you get $<\epsilon$.
@leslie Munchkin will fix all yours.
Why can you say $\lim |f(t)-g(t)| = |\lim f(t)-\lim g(t)|$?
 
By continuity of $x\mapsto |x|$
 
OK, and how do you know $\lim_{t\to x}f(t)$ exists?
 
It's not given in the hypothesis.
 
6:20 PM
Then I would say you have a flaw in your argument?
 
That's why the proof has two parts: 1) $(A_n)$ is a Cauchy sequence so converges. 2) Since $A_n$ converges then that limit should equal to \lim f(t)
 
Read your proof and see if you address my concern.
You can ask @leslie for a legal opinion.
 
Ah, then I think that you may be right.
Because Rudin does the proof differently by breaking $|f(t)-A|\le |f(t)-f_n(t)|+|f_n(t)-f_m(t)|+|f_m(t)-A|$
And I was trying to do some alternative there.
 
merry christmas / happy holidays / new year
 
@TedShifrin it doesn't matter. $\le \epsilon$ and $\lt \epsilon$ both definitions are equivalent. That's an exercise also in Spivak's.
Merry Christmas 🎄 🤶 🎅 .
 
6:24 PM
I know that it doesn't matter, but if you're doing Rudin's style, you will do as I suggest. But this doesn't address the major gap.
Same to you, @Semiclassic.
 
Rudin style. Okay :)
 
Hello, can someone explain me this comment: You already found that $-\frac14\leq y'\leq 1$, so that at least $|y(x)|\leq |x|$.Thus there is no divergence in finite time
 
@Vrouvrou need more info on the variables
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My cat typed that
 
The cat is hung over from the martini?
 
Hi, all.
 
6:30 PM
Hi, a @Balarka.
 
The cat is crazy, because we don't let it go outside and become coyote food
 
Yes, that fate befell several of my cats in the wilds of the Athens, GA, suburbs.
@Vrouvrou What part of the comment can you not prove?
 
Pondering if I should write some sketchy notes about Steenrod squares while I'm reading it and also if it's going to be so sketchy that it's best done privately.
 
@Balarka If you want to teach me that stuff, go for it. I never really learned it.
 
Ok cool I can try
 
6:40 PM
I started to take a course from Mosher & Tangora and I've read Milnor, but ... I never really grokked this stuff.
As you know, I prefer the "other" approach to characteristic classes.
You can assume I know basic obstruction theory (well, I once did).
 
measured by homology or cohomology?
 
@TedShifrin Right :) I was looking at Mosher & Tangora briefly, but I think I'm just gonna read Hatcher's Chapter 4.L or whatever
 
vrouvrou: if y(0) = 0 and |y'(t)| <= 1 for all t >= 0 then |y(x)| = |y(x) - y(0)| = |int 0...x y'(t) dt| <= int 0...x |y'(t)| dt <= int 0...x 1 dt = |x|
 
Try Robert Ghrist's free ebook
 
OK, well, I await your examples and enlightenment.
I see that @leslie never rendered his legal opinion on Koro's "proof."
 
6:42 PM
@BalarkaSen algebraic topo book:
https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~ghrist/notes.html
 
i didn't read it. is it here or on math.se?
 
linked above — but I rendered mine.
 
@TedShifrin i don't understand what he want to say
 
@Koro: This is similar to the non-proofs people give when they misapply the squeeze theorem and say $g(t)\le f(t)\le h(t) \implies \ell=\lim g(t)\le \lim f(t)\le h(t)=\ell \implies \lim f(t)=\ell$.
 
i'm blanking, what's the hitch there?
 
6:45 PM
Leslie gave you the proof of the first statement, @Vrouvrou. "No divergence in finite time" means that the function cannot go to infinity in a finite interval $x\in [A,B]$.
@Semiclassic It presumes that $\lim f(t)$ exists, which is what you're trying to prove.
 
ahhh
so all it establishes is that if the limit exists, then it must have that value
 
There's a matrix 4 or something...
 
@PenAndPaperMathematics That's a good book, in particular the chapter on sheaves.
 
@leslietownes thank you
 
@BalarkaSen I'll check it out right now, haven't opened the book myself
 
6:47 PM
What is the importance of this in this problem math.stackexchange.com/questions/4341642/…
 
hmm, though, i don't see "the limit of f at x=a exists" as a premise here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeeze_theorem#Statement
 
That's the whole point, @Semiclassic. Nor should you.
 
@Vrouvrou I upvoted it
 
then idgi
 
This proves existence of the limit if you state it correctly.
 
6:48 PM
ohhh
 
$|f(t)-\ell|\le \min\big(|g(t)-\ell|,|h(t)-\ell|\big)$.
 
koro: i agree with ted, the issue is that last bit, "it follows by (1) that lim t->x |f_n(x) - f(t)| <= e." needs more reasoning as at this point it isn't clear that lim t->x f(t) exists, and you haven't made explicit why lim t->x |f_n(x) - f(t)| would exist for some other reason.
 
so it should just be $g(t)\leq f(t)\leq h(t) \wedge \ell = \lim g(t) = \lim h(t)\implies \lim f(t)=\ell$
 
smacks Semiclassic for the $\land$
 
pffft
 
6:50 PM
Yes, that is the correct statement of squeeze.
 
i really don't like boiling statements about limits down to symbols. at least for students. because a huge part of the conclusion, that "the limit exists and", is mentally insertable in front of "lim f(t) = L" but is not written there.
 
Down with symbols!
 
all of the "limit laws" have similar judo moves you can do, if limits of some of the inputs have exist, then another limit does too, and is given by the "law."
 
Yippee! Ted just got a new hat. Is it stylish?
 
but if you just write the law and haven't done it a million times, you miss that.
 
6:52 PM
@TedShifrin looks Indian
 
@PenAnd They're calling it a starfish.
 
looks like a turbin with a jewel
 
turban?
 
no, a turbine
 
Those seek hats
 
6:53 PM
That is more fitting.
 
if one puts "lim f(t)" in quotes then i don't totally mind it as a shorthand way of saying "the limit of f(t), if it exists, lies between lim g(t) and lim h(t)"
but only for shorthand and not for a formal proof
 
I totally mind it, @Semiclassic. Students need to understand. Remember that the very definition of a limit is a squeeze. $0\le |f(t)-\ell|<\epsilon$ ...
 
semi: i agree it's fine for just about any purpose, after those first courses in analysis. but not during.
 
I'm worried about Calc I students here.
Where no epsilons even appear, but squeeze does.
 
6:54 PM
the old line about it being fine to kick the ladder away once one has climbed up it comes it
 
oh, i think they're just screwed.
 
But it is the same sloppiness that leads to the chasm into which @Koro fell.
I never had trouble making squeeze intuitive.
Maybe the pictures are easier with limits as we go to infinity, but it's the same picture.
 
most calculus books state the limit laws correctly and squeeze theorem correctly, but outside of the squeeze theorem, and maybe then only for those specific triginonmetric limits, i am not sure i have ever seen a book that emphasizes on the existence of the limit being part of the consequence of the 'law.'
 
I got a 5 on my AP Calc exam back in 2004, however, I'm not a physisicist or topologist, so I don't recall very much of the calculus methods
 
even for lim (f + g) = lim f + lim g, for example.
 
6:56 PM
Existant limits are stable under addition
 
it's formally printed in a theorem box, but the books never explain that it's part of the theorem. i am semi-OK with this but it does lead to multiple speed bumps in analysis.
"why am i suddenly worrying about laws that i already know"
 
@leslie I think most calculus books make that pretty clear.
 
Ok, well, stewart doesn't.
 
Stewart, as you know, is not my favorite, but I don't have any calculus books here to check.
 
it's clear in the formal sense of if you look in the theorem box, it's correctly stated.
but not discussed in any detail outside of the theorem box. the table has been set just so.
 
6:58 PM
I agree that the sorts of exercises that Spivak gives on understanding these things do NOT appear — and nor should they — in a standard calculus text.
 
which i expect is also how it is often taught even out of a better book.
 
@leslietownes yes, I realized that.
 
In my calculus classes (including the Spivak one), I also made students write something like "$0/0$" at each step when they were doing L'Hôpital. And I always put a problem where it could trap them if they just did it mindlessly without checking.
 
@leslietownes some state it like this: if any two of the three limits exist then the third limit exists too. :)
 
7:00 PM
Who here knows about Joan Armatrading?
 
koro: that's a common exercise in intro analysis books. you usually lose about half of the class right there. you can get them back, but you lose them for a minute.
pen: i'd expect anyone my age or older. more my dad's generation than mine.
 
@leslietownes no excuses. It's like not knowing who Jimi Hendrix is
 
who's that ?
 
@Koro see link above for Joan Armatrading and prepare your ears to get blown away
"Down to Zero" is the first tune on that album. Appropriate for the discussion of L'Hopital's rule
 
7:03 PM
hahaha
and not for chain rule?
 
koro with so much of this number and function convergence stuff, 99% of the work that goes into a rudin-style exposition vs. some other type of exposition is setting an argument up so all of the justifications arrive at once, right when needed, with as few sub-parts / side tours as possible, and as little case analysis as possible. not always the most illuminating way of learning about it in the first instance.
 
I'ma skip Rudin, and jump straight into Quantum Physics
Griffith's teaches it right, I think
I made it through measure theory using Papa Rudin, but never seemed to get passed the convexity part in the next chapter. That book is just too dense for my liking, though it is rigorous, etc. I need a more modern treatment
Or I just never finish any book really :)
 
there are not that many math books worth reading all of the way through.
 
I like to jump around. E.g. Lang's Algebra has the best derivation of tensor product using UMP in category theory. He creates ad hoc a certain category just for discussion in the proof
 
Only my multivariable math book did I cover first page to last (with only a few skipped). In my other texts, I have never taught everything in one course.
 
7:14 PM
See how he defines a category just for use in the proof? It turns out to be a nice elegant derivation of tensor product
 
@PenAndPaperMathematics thank you
 
In fact, after defining the category, you just define "a tensor product is a universal object in that category", and you're done with the definition!
 
Lesli please can you explain me why we need this?
 
Debugging Bootstrap Studio to Django template export code today for me :> C u every 1
I forgot, here's a group object definition:
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Everything commutes i.e.
I took the three diagrams involved in group objects from nLab and put them all into a single, connected diagram =)
Conclusion: it's a mess, athough each commuting square takes on a form $(f, \text{id})$ together with that pair permuted, sort of, since one of them has a diagonal map composed with it
@Winter nice avatar
 
7:35 PM
@PenAndPaperMathematics this is cute
the perspective never really occurred to me, but what's going on that a representing object for a functor, together with its universal element, is the same data as an initial object in the functors category of elements
 
Can someone help me?
 
7:50 PM
@PenAndPaperMathematics, thanks, it's seasonal
 
8:33 PM
@leslietownes i'm sorry to disturb you have you an idea on where we need that |y(x)|<|x| ?
 
just signed off on my part of the final exam grading, so i'm officially done with the semester
 
Yippee. What did the prof decide about the kid who did the wrong lab?
 
10% penalty
 
Oh, not too harsh.
 
i'd have gone harder, but w/e
 
8:38 PM
Right. Not a big deal at this point.
 
right
 
@Vrouvrou This tells you that $|y|$ cannot go to infinity for finite $x$.
 
i did ask her group members for their data for that lab (under the cover of "just wanting to check something") and confirmed that it matched what she submitted
 
Oh, so she took data from a different experiment? How could that make any sense?
 
she wrote her report on a lab we did do, just not one of the ones i gave as an option
(and the reason i didn't give it as an option for the report was because i thought it would be too difficult)
 
8:41 PM
@PenAndPaperMathematics classic Armatrading, long time since I heard that
 
point being that she didn't take her data from somewhere else: her report was written using data her groupo took
 
OK, got it.
 
@Thorgott I'm not sure what you mean :)
Let $S_2$ act on products $\sigma (A\times B) = B \times A$. Similarly, let it act on tuples of maps $\sigma (f,g) = (g,f)$
Then $G$ is a group object with (insert associated maps) $\iff S_2 \{(1,\text{id}), m\times \text{id}, ((-)^{-1}, \text{id})\Delta\}$ when glued to $G^2 \xrightarrow{m} G\xleftarrow{m} G^2$ to form squares, commutes.
That's what I was looking at initially, but it doesn't seem to add any interesting viewpoint (yet)
 
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