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12:02 AM
ok, got it, thanks
 
1:01 AM
Today was a great day.
The math department had an event to gauge interest in restarting the math club.
 
did anyone attend?
 
Ah, my decades of being math club adviser.
 
our math club was dormant when i was an undergrad. they'd call a meeting and maybe four people would show up. maybe. even if free food was offered.
 
Math club was running at Berkeley when I was there.
 
they used to do like talks with invited speakers and stuff! there was evidence of this in the club's office.
also in the fact that the club had an office.
when i was a junior or senior some new students arrived who wanted to make it more focused on contest prep. like putnam or something. there was already a class for that. we were like, OK. i think it just changed which four people went to the meetings.
 
1:06 AM
I gave a few talks in it, I think.
 
they had some full-color printouts of posters announcing talks from outside speakers in the office. from the late 80s.
and apparently at one time they made shirts or something as a fundraiser. there was evidence of all of this, it was like the ruins of pompeii in the late 1990s
 
I have no historical relics.
 
@leslietownes Yeah, man. The turnout was great. I'm officially club president and I found some other students willing to fill the other positions.
I've been working on this all semester.
I'm hoping we can keep up interest in the spring.
@TedShifrin What kind of stuff did you guys do?
 
that's cool.
the late 90s were a weird time to be a math major. dotcom boom and y2k stuff were pushing a lot of people with no interest in computers into the CS major. which was selective, and if you couldn't get into it (e.g. due to bad math grades) the next best thing (in terms of being able to use what you'd taken toward a major) was math.
so, lots of math majors with no real interest in math.
 
1:23 AM
@leslietownes I didn't think this was possible.
90s must have been rough
 
it was pretty ironic. "oh shit, bad math grades. i guess i have to major in math."
 
a bit of a culture shock for some of the grad TAs from princeton or yale or wherever, where you only major in math if you actually care about it.
although as a formative experience, maybe more valuable than being surrounded by people who just want to talk about what their favorite book on elliptic curves is, or whatever. more 'realistic' for the world of teaching, or the wider world.
i'm told it's better now, but my information is pretty out of date.
the math club in my senior year was two math ed types who wanted to serve pie on pi day as the club's sole activity, and two people who wanted it to be a putnam thing. the putnam people won. i think the website went offline the year after.
 
@leslietownes What do you mean by this?
 
i think a lot of people who go on to be math professors discover an interest in math very young. there is nothing wrong with this. but many of them are only ever socialized, in math, around other people who are like them (i.e., proto-mathematicians).
that might be good for learning math but it's not good for maybe learning how to teach people who aren't miniature versions of yourself.
 
1:36 AM
Ooh, I see.
 
so, being around people who can do math, in some cases very well, and yet have no interest in specializing it, can be a useful addition to one's perspective.
ideally, encountered before you are teaching for the first time.
 
Well, we surprisingly had a number of engineers attend the event today in addition to math majors. I hope that ends up being beneficial to the social experience, like you say.
 
i probably would have preferred that there be slightly more actually-interested-in-math people in my major, but i wouldn't have wanted it to be a thing where absolutely everybody is thinking phd.
yeah. engineering and physics people can be a great addition. i think it's a completely different world, learning or teaching math at a school that doesn't have a big engineering program.
nobody tell them, but they're good to have around.
except copper.hat
 
Ha, I only have one engineering friend and he's pretty wild.
 
@LearningCHelpMeV2 $x^2-(r_1+r_2)x+r_1r_2=0$ for $r_1$ and $r_2$ to both be positive, we need $b=-(r_1+r_2)\lt0$ and $c=r_1r_2\gt0$.
 
1:43 AM
my closest 'math friends' from undergrad, one does have a phd in math, but teaches biostatistics (her focus) and the other is at a company that designs semiconductors. a good number of my grad school friends are pure math profs, though.
me, i prefer i actively contributing to the downfall of society.
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You mean your law background?
 
nibbling away at the edges of everything, engorging myself like a tick on individuals and corporations that happen to pass by, yes.
 
That's a little insidious...
 
i gotta be me
 
🤔
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I forgot my laptop can do emojis. I wanted to better convey my disturbance.
 
1:54 AM
i have yet to figure out how to do emojis. the day i do, everybody's going to know about it.
 
Oh joy.
 
ted, are you for emojis, or agin' em?
 
I do partake.
I’m agin you.
 
A man of culture, you are.
 
1:58 AM
i use emojis on my phone sometimes but not here. but only because i haven't figured out how to do them.
does chatjax support emojis? \crylaugh \thumbsup \winkandgrin
 
my wife makes nice mojitos, are they related to emojis?
a very emojito statement
 
i think my use of wink and grin on my phone correlates with my use of mojitos
 
i just use :-), :-( and sometimes when i want to be rude, :--
 
I’ll take a mojito, please.
 
i get the 'thinking' emoji a lot
 
2:04 AM
🤷‍♂️😍😻🐈
19
 
she's still somewhere in hawaii
 
OK, I’ll take a raincheck.
 
i think my son & myself will be going low brow tonight, cheese steaks & curly fries
last night was grilled ribeye, mash, carrots. very bach
 
Red meat is a rarity for me.
 
i don't usually consume so much
 
2:07 AM
I do have heart disease.
 
but i prepare what the rest will eat...
my brother-in-law had a heart attack in his late 40s. it is only a slight exaggeration to say that my daughter's insistence at calling him early in the morning saved him.
 
Kudos to her!
 
she won't be back for the holiday unfortunately.
scary to think she will graduate in a few months.
 
Already?
Man, you’re getting old!
 
one of her starting offers is 1.5x what i was offered when i left berkeley/
 
2:16 AM
how many jugs of wine is that?
 
Remember inflation!
 
:-). unfortunately she has some of her mother's genes so she can only consume a limited (by paternal standards) amount of alcohol.
some asian thing, i gather
i went to see a keynote by my first ceo a few days ago. was still motivated by him.
 
'my first ceo' could be a good toy for my daughter. one of those things where you pull the string and it says stuff.
'not guilty!'
 
3:07 AM
Is this (i.imgur.com/ZXfRcOx.jpg) the way to handle inhomogeneous boundary conditions for every linear PDE, despite the temperature-specific terminology, or is it just a heat equation thing?
 
3:31 AM
Hi! How are you?
@robjohn Nice solution @robjohn, thank you so much. I know as to solve the problem, now. Thanks
 
@user10478 Note that the boundary values in $t$ are constant, so it’s special.
Hi @Alex
 
@copper.hat haha it's nice, maybe do you use -_-? It's interesting @copper.hat
@TedShifrin other emojis 🤔🤭😌🦁
 
@TedShifrin Ahh right, is there an easy fix or do non-constant boundary conditions make problems a lot harder?
 
3:51 AM
If you're on windows press windows key and.
To use emoji.
 
@robjohn Is it just my imagination, or has the amount of activity on Mathematics Stack Exchange decreased significantly over the past few weeks?
 
Windows 11
 
😜
many thanks, osmium.
 
🤗
Which books do you read? Treatise? novels?
My favorite book is Evolution of Physics.
 
4:11 AM
xkcd: volume 0
vader's little princess
Ted's Abstract Algebra
Rockafellar's Convex Analysis, of course
 
i haven't read a book in a while. lemme look.
 
i start reading a lot of books, but usually give up if they are not sufficiently inspiring
for example, Larson's "The Myth of Artificial Intelligence". While I agree with the general thesis, the narrative is woefully boring
 
I like to read classics and textbooks.
 
i last read patrick radden keefe's "empire of pain" about the family behind the opoid epidemic in the US, and elon green's "last call" about a serial killer in NYC during the aids epidemic.
according to my ebook reading history, both were several months ago.
 
korner's "The Pleasures of Counting" started well, but quickly slowed down to boring km/hr
 
4:15 AM
korner works better if you skip the topics you're not interested in. there's no continuity from one theme to the next.
 
Currently I am reading Lewis Carroll's through the looking glass. It's a funny book. I can relate my self to Alice. She thinks just like me.
 
@leslietownes i may look a little more. the ww2 naval episodes bored me to tears
carroll was a pervert
 
copper the stuff about richardson i found interesting. and there's quite a bit of detail about the german enigma, mathematically, separate from naval derring-do.
 
will give it another chance.
i knew a lot about enigma prior to that, peculiar fascination
 
Given $T\in L(C^2)$, How do I find singular values of T(x,y)=(-4y,x)?
 
4:22 AM
do you mean the SVD?
 
I tried like this also: $\langle T^*Tu,w\rangle =\langle Tu, Tw\rangle$ where u and w are some pairs of complex numbers. That is, $u= Re u+i Im u$
 
are you talking about singular values as in the singular value decomposition?
 
copper, yes, I know SVD.
 
yes, one way to do it is to compute $T^* T$ and then the eigenvalues of $T^* T$. this is one or two steps shorter than the full SVD
 
copper: I'm talking about singular values in SVD
 
4:24 AM
you can read the values off from $T$ directly?
 
without appealing to theorems or intuition, i would like to see koro do it from the definition, but OK
 
The problem I'm facing is I'm not getting: $\langle \text{something}, w\rangle$ on RHS so that I could get an expression for $T^*T$.
 
koro the standard matrix of $T^*$ is the conjugate transpose of the standard matrix of $T$
 
am i stepping into an ongoing discussion (again)?
 
we can chase that through the definitions, but knowing that that's the answer is helpful
copper do i agree that it's a simple computation but koro seems stuck very early in figuring out how it relates to the definitions
 
4:27 AM
$T^*T$ is diagonal...
 
we seem to be stuck at computing $T^*$
 
Oh yes, I can write down matrix of T w.r.t. some ONB and then T^* matrix is basically transpose of matrix of T.
 
or you can compute it directly from the inner product definition.
 
koro, "some ONB" sounds a little goofy when we're talking about C^2 here, but OK
 
To be honest, I get very confused when I see C^2
 
4:31 AM
if the inner product had some gooftball definition, there might not be vectors we could just immediately grab, without computation, and know they were orthonormal, but here, there are
 
use the standard basis, $e_1,e_2$
 
e1=(1,0), e2=(0,1)
 
You have $e_1^* T = (0,-4)$ and $e_2^* T = (1,0)$ so $T^*e_1 = (0, -4)^*$ and $T^*e_2 = (1,0)^*$.
i think the discussion in golub & van loan is very good if you can get your hands on a copy
 
I'm writing out things
But I don't understand what is $e_1^*$, I have never seen that before actually.
 
it is the conjugate transpose of $e_1$.
Just the row vector $(1,0)$.
 
4:41 AM
koro, one approach is first to compute the matrix of T, then from that to compute the matrix of T*, then from that to compute the matrix product T*T by matrix multiplication
 
the point of what i wrote above was to compute $T^*$.
 
 
i understand, the question is whether koro does
i'm trying to find some route through this using only what koro has already seen
in notation that he has already seen
koro do we have the matrix of T yet
that's a starting point. forget adjoints for the moment
 
@Koro your $4$ looks awfully like a $y$ :-)
 
it looks like some lost greek letter
it's the rules, if you post your handwriting, people get to discuss it
 
4:44 AM
Ohh, I make a little loop in y at the bottom but 4 is straight. Now, you'll complain "x" also which should be 'crossed straight lines" but mine has curves. :P
Leslie: yes, we have matrix of T.
 
ok, so can you compute e_1* T as copper suggested?
or, if you are fine with using the 'conjugate transpose' rule, do you agree that you've got the matrix of T* ?
 
you only need to compute $T^*$ on an orthogonal basis, in this case the natural basis is $e_1,e_2$.
 
of course yes.
So basically copper just took the conjugate transpose of matrix of T.
 
i think working with $(x,y)$ is throwing you a bit
 
so forgetting everything that led you to this point other than the fact that you have two matrices, just compute the matrix product of T* with T
forget x, y, forget trying to stuff T*T into an inner product
compute matrices first
 
4:50 AM
are we going to get into some sesquilinear silliness here?
 
let's hope not
 
nailbiting
 
$\begin{bmatrix}1& 0\\0 & -16 \end{bmatrix}$
 
i think we have a sign error there. T*T should be a positive operator
but we're very close
 
this should give the squares of the singular values...
$\langle T(x,y), T(x,y) \rangle = 16|x|^2+|y|^2$
 
4:53 AM
Since when is $(-4)(-4)=-16$?
 
Oh yes, of course. I made a mistake :(
Right, there is 16
+16
 
ok, so the eigenvalues of that are __, __ and their respective square roots are __, __
 
Now to seal the deal, I'll take square roots.
 
$(-4)^* (-4)$ even.
 
Blah.
 
4:55 AM
note it would be the same calculation for literally any T on C^n - you have a standard onb, so you don't need a layer of computations to get one before you compute the matrix of T, and the matrix of $T^*$, and the product $T^*T$
we lucked out here in that the matrix of $T^* T$ was diagonal. there's no reason for that to happen in general, but computing its eigenvalues when it's not is "just an eigenvalue problem"
 
I understood. Thank you so much :)
 
But we are Axler and don’t know how.
 
but the essence is that the first singular value is the norm on the whole space.
 
But $T^*T$ is by Spectral theorem always diagonalizable so we can do diagonalization if we didn't luck out with $e_i$'s.
 
it is Hermitian
 
4:58 AM
i put just an eigenvalue problem in quotes because this can be hard to do by hand even when n = 3, and under any circumstances when n is super duper large
 
but i think that is missing the point...
 
but it's the kind of thing that a good software package would have a better version of, as a turnkey solution, than anything you might try by hand
 
In Axler Hermitian is "self adjoint".
 
that is the same as hermitian in context
singular values are very useful numerically.
 
Axler says: in real vector space, "isometry" is also called "orthogonal operator"
and in complex vector space, "isometry" is also called "unitary operator".
 
5:00 AM
ummm, isometry is just length preserving?
 
copper in axler's dopey world of functional analysis, 'linear' is implied
 
i don;t have axler sorry
 
isometry has been defined as an operator T on V (finite dimensional) such that $||Tv||=||v||$ for every v in V.
 
for a room that doesn't have axler actually in it, we sure hear a lot about what axler says and does
 
@Koro for another day, show that an isometry is affine and the linear part is orthogonal/unitary as appropriate.
 
5:02 AM
copper: yes isometry has been defined as length (norm) preserving.
 
the singular values are the basis of the much ballyhooed page rank algorithm of Garble
sorry, Google
 
Leslie: But Axler is on mse :)
 
koro similar definitions work in the infinite dimensional setting. T is isometry iff $T^* T = I$, and unitary iff $T^*T = TT^* = I$, with the two equivalent in finite dimensions because if AB = I then BA = I in finite dimensions
 
a better way (in finite dimensions, at least) is to think of the svd as an ONB of the range & domain such that the matrix is diagonal with positive entries, ordered in the natural way.
 
i'm so over the way the chat messes with my asterisks when i don't wanna emphasize something
 
5:05 AM
huh
 
@copper.hat I'll try that. For now, I know "affine" in reference to affine subspace as defined in Axler.
 
sorry, did not mean to ski off on an affine track
i think you are getting lost in the symbols and missing the idea behind the svd
 
Axler says SVD has many applications and some of the applications can be found in the exercises.
 
that is very true
inasmuch as true has a degree
 
sometimes you also want just the singular values and not the SVD. in finite dimensions this means solving a polynomial equation only and not grabbing eigenvectors
 
5:08 AM
copper: For now, I understand that using SVD we can diagonalize any operator (on finite dimensional vector space) if we are allowed to consider two bases to write matrix of T.
 
koro i forget if axler introduces the operator norm in an inner product space but as copper mentioned earlier this is one way you would often actually compute it in concrete cases
 
$T^*T$ will have a full orthonormal set of eigenvectors.
 
yes, copper: I understand that follows from Spectral theorem.
because $T^*T$ is normal operator.
 
note that $\|T\|^2 = \|T^*T\|$.
 
it's better than normal, it's self adjoint!
 
5:11 AM
:)
 
perhaps there's something vaguely onanistic about this
@leslietownes
 
that's my line, surely
 
@copper.hat yes of course :)
 
the other singular values have a similar interpretation in terms of subspaces.
 
We can construct an infinitely smooth function with a Taylor series $n! x^ n$?
 
5:16 AM
you mean a single term?
the radius of convergence would be mighty small...
love that term "mighty small"
 
Hi @copper.hat yes I'm thinking about that 🤔
But I don't sure if that series there exists
 
By Cauchy Hadamard theorem, you can find radius of convergence of the power series $\sum n! x^n $.
 
@Koro an important use of the svd is to approximate a matrix by smaller rank matrix.
what would $\lim_n { (n+1)! \over n! } $ be?
 
copper: I recall having studied that a long time back in Strang's but I need revision of that. :)
I understand (but don't remember how) that SVD can be used to transfer large data say from space to earth.
 
@Koro well, i am an engineer, so my focus different from maths, but to me the essence of the svd its use as a decomposition that has meaning in terms of distances to certain classes of matrices (such as singular, etc).
 
5:27 AM
So the taylor series with that conditions there exists? How can I construct it?
 
i am not sure what you mean. you can write the series $\sum_n a_n x^n$ so it exists in that sense, but the radius of convergence is zero so there is not much you can do with it.
people just throw the tag convex out there purely like shouting squirrel to a dog.
 
6:21 AM
alex, for any sequence (a_n) whatsoever, there is a smooth function f with f^{(n)}(0) = a_n, for all n
most of these are not represented by their taylor series, but that's a separate question
it may help to phrase the problem at this level of generality
there's also no uniqueness (again because these things tend not to be represented by their power series)
so your constructions will involve arbitrary choices, and a lot of them
try some recipe like sum a_n c(x/c_n) x^n where c( ) is a smooth bump function with compact support in an interval around 0 and identically 1 on some subinterval around 0 and choose the coefficients a_n and c_n inductively to get the thing to work out
or some variation on that theme
lots and lots of arbitrary choices
some version of this is done in vol. 1 of hormander's linear PDE book, very near the beginning
i think i mean sum a_n/n! c(x/c_n) x^n above, if (a_n) is the given input sequence
same difference
for more on this and other math tips and tricks, buy lesliecoin now
 
that depends on the axiom of bump
reach medical air flying low overhead again
@leslietownes i believe there is a Borel's lemma which is slightly more general.
 
6:40 AM
all of this is just a co-pushout of the infinity category of derived formal n-homotopies
borel wouldn't know the difference between that and a hole in the ground
 
that'll put the bore in borel
 
 
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9:18 AM
Let $T\in L(V)$ where V is finite dimensional vector space. It is given that there exists an isometry S in L(V) and a positive operator R in L(V) such that $T=SR$ then it is to be proven that $R=\sqrt {T^*T}$
My solution: Since T=SR, it follows that $T^*T=R^*R$. Since R is positive, it is self adjoint by definition and hence $R^*=R$. It follows that $R^2=T^*T$.
So R is a square root of $T^*T$, which is a positive operator and hence has a unique positive square root. It follows that $R=\sqrt{T^*T}$.
can anyone please review this and let me know if it is correct? Thanks.
 
 
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11:54 AM
I found some nice textbook in elementary complex analysis Complex function theory
 
Astyx: did you suggest something? I couldn't see your message.
 
I was misremembering how roots of positive matrices are defined
what you wrote seems fine to me
(my confusion comes from the fact that in anglosaxon litterature, a positive number is >0 whereas a positive matrix has eigenvalues $\ge 0$)
 
I use this definition for positive operator: If T in L(V) , where V is finite dimensional vector space, is self adjoint and is such that $\langle Tv, v\rangle \ge 0$ for all v in V, then T is called a positive operator.
Some people use the word "semi positive definite" for positive operator.
Astyx: Thanks for reviewing my proof. :)
 
12:19 PM
you're welcome
 
 
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2:03 PM
What does the notion $m\hat{ABC}$ mean in geometry?
 
@Wolgwang the measure (i.e. value) of the angle $\angle ABC$
@AncientSwordRage what hath summoned thee?
 
@LeakyNun In this question, the answer should be 63.75 by Alternate segment theorem?
 
sure, if that's what the theorem is called
man it's been years since I last touched high school geometry
 
@LeakyNun you did
Please continue this discussion in chat. — Kenny Lau 4 mins ago
 
what's wrong with saying that?
oh wait
 
2:10 PM
@LeakyNun Ohk Thanks.
 
you're the guy who asked the question lol
 
XD
 
sound of penny dropping
The one and the same, ¯\_¯\_(ツ)(ツ)_/¯
 
@AncientSwordRage so is there anything still not clear
 
The answer is clear, but I guess I'm.not sure how what you said relates to the quote I put into my question
> This allowed Gödel to show a correspondence between statements about natural numbers and statements about the provability of theorems about natural numbers, the key observation of the proof
 
2:13 PM
so basically let's say each number is now a formula
 
and I can now define an arithmetic predice Prov(n) that says the formula corresponding to the number n is provable
that's what the quote says
that Prov(n) is an arithmetic statement about the natural number n
but now it can be interpreted to mean the provability of the statement encoded by n
@AncientSwordRage it has nothing to do with "tweaking a statement so that it looks the same as another statement"
 
I have 2 basis in R2. The first is A = {(1,0),(0,1)}, the second one is B = {(0,1), (-1,0)}. So B is obtained by rotating A by 90 degrees counterclockwise (that’s what I see if I draw the vectors in R2).
The change of basis matrix from A to B is
First row: 0 1
Second row: -1 0
But the matrix which represents the 90 degrees rotation counterclockwise is
First row: 0 -1
Second row: 1 0
Why are they different? Why are they not the same matrix?
 
@Curio thinking about these things too much will cause your head to explode lol
in order to express the same vector in a basis that is rotated 90 ccw, you need to rotate the coordinates 90 cw
 
2:31 PM
@Wolgwang I've always heard that called the Inscribed Angle Theorem.
 
@LeakyNun I think how that predice (?) or statement is defined is what isn't clear? I'm guessing it's not arbitrary
 
@AncientSwordRage oh I meant predicate idk wt happened to my keyboard
@AncientSwordRage so it has to do with how we define a proof
we have some basical logical steps that are allowed (like modus ponens)
and we also have axioms (like Peano's axioms)
 
In that context, I guess my 'tweaking' suggestion is 'can you define a Prov(n) that says P=NP (or Fermat's last theorem etc.) Is true?' Can you then work backwards to see what that implies about the logical steps required?
 
and we can define a proof as a list of statements, each of which follows from the previous ones, either by an axiom or by a logical step
have fun tweaking this definition
 
I get that much
@LeakyNun right that might be the crux of it
 
2:38 PM
you'll get nothing more than "let's try to prove this theorem"
i.e. figuring out how to micromanage the list of statements do with you want, is equivalent to figuring out how to prove the statement itself
 
So in a way, what I'm asking is if the true Prov(n) is statements 1 through 12, is there an (incorrect) Prov(n) that says 'statement 2 is not compatible with this Prov(n)'
@LeakyNun but reframing a question can often lead to a novel way of solving?
 
@AncientSwordRage well I don't think that's true in this case
also you're putting way too much magical power on Godel numbers
you'll be better off forgetting they exist and just thinking about statements as themselves
moving to the world of numbers doesn't grant you any new magical power
 
@LeakyNun but if watch enough Numberphile videos, I can win a millennium prize right?
 
sure
 
Well, then I'm happy
 
2:48 PM
that's why the creator of Numberphile is himself a millennium prize winner
 
It does sound like what I really wanted to achieve is possible, it just dumb and impractical
@LeakyNun I'm confident if Brady was we'd literally never heard the end of it
 
To be honest , if I watched enough numberphile videos I probably would have quitted mathematics forever or maybe became a crank.
 
I recommend you all watch 3Blue1Brown as well
 
@LeakyNun and Matt Parker
 
3:04 PM
@Prithubiswas I think I had only watched one video of Numberphile(-1/12) and that was my last.
 
Hey :)
 
@Wolgwang They were doing meth , not math.
 
I'm having difficulty clarifying a closed question.
there are many better episodes than that one
I'm not sure what clarification could apply, I wish the reason was more specific.
 
@alan2here This?
 
that's the one :) chears for having a look
you like geometry :) I like very visual stuff like Geometry, Abstract Polytopes and Graph theory too :)
 
3:15 PM

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Maybe this can help...
 
I could go to that room and ask, thanks.
they might send me back here :-P
the room is empty
maybe it's not a clarity issue and the reason given was overly braud
 
3:47 PM
anyone know more mathematical definition of electric flux?
people say you can count electric field line through surface which is completely retarded in my opinion
 
4:23 PM
@Curio Everything should be columns, not rows!
@BannedUser It’s defined by a surface integral.
 
4:34 PM
makes sense now
 
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