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12:03 AM
@Astyx This is typical in US calculus courses as well (one makes a copy of the real axis and marks intervals where the derivative is $+$ and $-$, and then, say, on the underside, where the second derivative is $+$ and $-$). We don't have a fancy word.
 
 
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2:45 AM
@BalarkaSen Win any fields medals yet?
 
3:15 AM
$\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y}{y-1}; y(0)=1$
has how many solutions?
 
4:02 AM
Hi. I'm having trouble understanding a problem statement. It says to consider, for $n\geq 3$ a space $X$ given as the wedge sum of (n+1)-circles, where there is one central circle, and then n circles tangent to this circle around it, which are wedged together pairwise to form a nice chain of length n, and each of these are each wedged at the nth roots of unity. It says that multiplication by roots of unity restricts to an action on Z/n on this space, such that the quotient map X-->(Z/n)\X is...
a covering space
(Hopefully that description is clear, since I have a picture instead of a description)
What I don't understand is, I assumed the free action by Z/n just takes you from the circle which is attached at an nth root of unity, to the circle attached at the other nth root of unity
And it seems that (Z/n)\X is just a pair of circles (the main one, and whichever tangent one you want)
but then you have n points in the fibre over any tangent circle, but only one point in the fibre over any point on the main circle, that isn't a root of unity (but X seems to be connected, so this doesn't make sense, since there should be a well defined number of sheets over any open)
 
Credits: @robjohn
 
Here's a bad picture to maybe illustrate what I'm saying
 
@user574847 I like balloons
 
I guess it does look a little like balloons lol
 
4:16 AM
Basically my question above is, how would you interpret the induced Z/nZ action? If I take it to mean that it transports you between the circles at the roots of unity (by the identity), but does nothing to the main circle, then that doesn't actually appear to make the quotient map a covering map, which it apparently is, so presumably that isn't the correct free (Z/nZ)-action induced by the n-th roots of unity. (Also if it wasn't entirely implicit, the main circle is the unit circle in C)
Hmm, maybe I'm being dumb, and the action just comes from the n-fold symmetry, so that the action does apply to the main circle (by taking those arcs between roots of unity to other arcs between roots of unity), that fixes everything probably
right, nvm, I got it
 
4:41 AM
@Jasper The book you mentioned is will read when I finish both real and complex analysis from my course list. I think it is good for review.
@Jasper It's really cheap lol.
@Jasper I am buying rudin one too it will be for review.
 
@abhas_RewCie I just nabbed it off the web (I think it was from Pinterest)
 
5:04 AM
@robjohn Please help me
I want to prove that if $P \subset Q$ then $$ U(f,P) \geq U(f,Q)$$
My attempt: Let’s assume that $Q$ contains just one more point than $P$ that is $$ P = (t_0, t_1, t_2, ... t_{k-1} , t_k, .... t_n) \\ Q = ( t_0, t_1, .... t_{k-1}, u , t_k , ... t_n)$$
$$U(f,P) = \sum_{i=1}^{k-1} M_i (t_i - t_{i-1}) + M_k (t_k - t_{k-1}) + \sum_{i=k+1}^{n} M_i (t_i -t_{i-1})$$
@robjohn Sir I couldn’t see what you removed
 
Just look at $\sup\limits_{x\in[a,b]}(f(x))(b-a)+\sup\limits_{x\in[b,c]}(f(x))(c-b)\le\sup\limits_{x\in[a,c]}(f(x))(c-a)$
So the finer partition produces a smaller upper sum
 
I couldn’t understand the above formulation of yours
I’m sorry
 
I broke up $[a,c]=[a,b]\cup[b,c]$
 
Okay
 
and computed the upper sum on both
 
5:20 AM
Upper sum on $[a,c]$ is $$ U_1 = M (c-a) $$ and upper sum on $[a,b] \cup [b,c]$ is $$ U_2 = M_1 (b-a) + M_2 (c-b)$$ Where $M_i$ are the supremums in the i th interval
But how do we prove that $M \geq M_1 \\ M \geq M_2$$
But how do we prove that $$M \geq M_1 \\ M \geq M_2$$
 
That is sort of what I wrote... I modified it a bit:
6 mins ago, by robjohn
Just look at $\sup\limits_{x\in[a,b]}(f(x))(b-a)+\sup\limits_{x\in[b,c]}(f(x))(c-b)\le\sup\limits_{x\in[a,c]}(f(x))(c-a)$
 
Has anyone use mitocw?
Is mitocw worse than book?
 
@robjohn Sir why $$sup \{f (x) : a \lt x \lt b\} \leq sup\{f(x) : a \lt x \lt c \}$$
 
$\max\left(\sup\limits_{x\in[a,b]}(f(x)),\sup\limits_{x\in[b,c]}(f(x))\right)=\sup\limits_{x\in[a,c]}(f(x))$
 
Yes clear, then?
 
5:28 AM
@Knight that means that both $\sup\limits_{x\in[a,b]}(f(x))\le\sup\limits_{x\in[a,c]}(f(x))$ and $\sup\limits_{x\in[b,c]}(f(x))\le\sup\limits_{x\in[a,c]}(f(x))$
 
@robjohn Thank you so much sir, I got it
 
@Knight both of those are simple anyway since the sup over a smaller set is smaller
 
5:42 AM
@AlexanderGruber Looool, on my way to win one. How's things?
 
Yes sir
 
6:04 AM
I am thinking what case will $\sum 1/n$ will be a whole number. Trying to make new theorem. Or may be it already exist 😂😂😂.
Daydreaming.
I am pretty sure this will never be a whole number.
But I am need to prove the hypothesis is wrong.
just trying to apply my skills I learned until now.
@Knight Did you get the answer of curl you asked yesterday.
 
@StupidKid What does this even mean?
 
He means $\sum_{n = 1}^m 1/n$ is not a natural number for any $m$. Hi @Ted
 
@TedShifrin Just day dreaming. Thinking something dumb things like proving some series to be {whole, Rational, Natural ......} trying to make theorem. Very dumb idea.
 
Hi, a! Or are allowed sums of finite subsequences?
 
6:20 AM
It's also true for $\sum_{n = k}^{m+k} 1/n$ if I remember correctly
 
I am thinking in geometrical perspective. Like without calculating how can we know if it is {whole, Rational, Natural ......}
 
The infinite series diverges, so you need to say something precise.
 
Or I can mke this dumb idea turn into serious theorem lmao
 
There's no geometric proof. If you write it down it's not hard to prove.
 
I am talking about finite one
@BalarkaSen I know. I am just daydreaming now.
 
6:22 AM
Do I have to add up all the terms to a certain point, or can I pick and choose?
 
U can choose which term u like lol.
 
Then that's simply not true.
 
I think I'd stop daydreaming and solve problems from books. I am too immature to think unique mathematical idea.
 
For example, 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/6 = 1
 
Well I mean u can choose any term and insert on top of sum .
 
6:27 AM
Huh?
 
@BalarkaSen I mean series. Even kids know we can do that 😂😂😂.
that interval of term u can choose ....
and insert in series
 
@Ted is right. Formulate the problem first before trying to prove it. It is true that 1 + 1/2 + ... + 1/n is never a natural number for any n >= 2, neither is 1/n + 1/(n+1) + ... + 1/(n+m) for any n >=1, m >= 1.
 
I think I am not talking precisely -_-
 
These are classic exercises in number theory. There are elementary proofs and proofs using, say, Bertrand's postulate.
 
@BalarkaSen What!???
So these already exist in number theory
 
6:30 AM
In general for sum of reciprocals of natural numbers to be an integer there are growth restrictions on the denominator. Sum of reciprocals of natural numbers which sum to 1 are well-studied; look up Egyptian fractions and the greedy algorithm.
Yes, these are very well-known.
 
Guys I haven't seen number theory in my curriculum. Can you tell me which books cover whole undergraduate number theory?
 
Niven-Zuckerman-Montgomery
 
@BalarkaSen when is number theory taught in undergraduate course.
 
My school doesn't have a course in elementary number theory.
 
yr 1,2,3,4? which?
@BalarkaSen are you undergraduate student, graduate.....?
 
6:33 AM
I am an undergraduate student
 
r u from math department
 
Yes.
 
Which yr
 
2nd year.
 
But Balarka has been studying advanced math for years.
 
6:35 AM
wait y is number theory not taught in math department?
undergraduate
 
I thought number theory was taught most places. Differential geometry not so much.
 
quantstart.com/articles/… looking at this course this say there is number theory but there is not
Is it taught in foundation
 
@TedShifrin We have a Curves and Surfaces course!
 
of math
 
It's next semester
 
6:37 AM
You gonna skip it?
 
because I didn't follow 1st yr properly I mean foundational math I bought the books how to prove
How to prove it velleman
 
It's a compulsory core course, so I can't really. It's good, I'll do a completionist run of your notes
 
I don’t like that book particularly.
 
Guys tell me which books should I follow to understand number theory till modern time
 
Maybe ask you for some interesting further things to read about differential geometry of embedded surfaces and moving frames
It'll be good
 
6:39 AM
With all the graduate stuff you’re doing, sorta silly, but more computations won’t kill you.
 
I have freakin interest in number theory and I didn't learn sht bout that
 
Hardy & Wright is a classic.
 
Why is this all introductory?
 
Huh?
 
Is there book which cover from introductory to advance one?
 
6:42 AM
No. Advanced uses lots of abstract algebra and/or analysis.
 
Niven-Zuckerman-Montgomery covers very advanced material towards the end, like circle method and quadratic reciprocity, if I remember right.
 
Look for a book by Pollack. Modern and well written.
 
looks like the book u mentioned. I am gonna read it. Since G.H hardy looks promising author lol
 
@TedShifrin I dunno as time progresses I feel more attracted to classical math. I absolutely enjoyed thinking about Hilbert's theorem a few weeks back.
 
I don’t quarrel in the least with that!
 
6:45 AM
Hahah I know you of all wouldn't
 
What book are they using for curves & surfaces? DoCarmo?
 
Last time they used doCarmo and Pressley I think
 
Pressley meh.
 
@BalarkaSen when you said classical math I was thinking of Euclidean geometry and other high school maths that are more concrete than the s*** I'm doing
 
I certainly did not mean scheme theory @LeakyNun
 
6:49 AM
Students there have more background than mine.
 
That's probably true
 
I thought you loved abstract crap, Leaky.
 
for me the goal of abstract maths is to throw out nuke proofs and pretend you're a math god
 
@LeakyNun It's a good exercise to compute homology of the homotopy fiber of $\Bbb{CP}^n \to \Bbb{CP}^\infty$ using Serre spectral sequence, by the way. I worked it out last night without cheating.
 
Check out Jeanne Clelland’s new moving frames book, Balarka. Some great exercises.
 
6:51 AM
Oh, thanks! Let me look
"From Frenet to Cartan", right?
I feel like I have peeped at this book once.
 
Yeah. Sounds right. I did pre-pub thorough review.
Eric loved it when I told the room ...
 
misread
 
By cheating I mean you can just write down the homotopy fiber
 
@TedShifrin a book that moves :o
 
It's a familiar space :)
@TedShifrin Wow this looks great
I have to read Chapter 9, pseudospherical surfaces and Backlund transform. Speaking of, I never finished the Backlund computation. I will write it down sometime today
 
6:55 AM
LOL, ok, you can email me it.
 
Thanks!
 
@StupidKid No
Hello Ted
 
Hello and goodbye!
 
7:18 AM
Goodbye
 
@Knight In your question about curl how can you be unsure what is A?
 
@BalarkaSen They're good. Enjoying the quarantine.
 
Can you give reference?
And was it given in terms of spherical coords?
" I translated it like this" Doesn't give lots of information. It is your assumption.
And your assumption tells that you got a vector field which is 0. So indeed you will get 0 divergence and 0 curl Since There is no rotation and divergence going on.
But was it from textbook?
 
7:33 AM
If the special solution of a an inhomoginous differential equation is made of linear combination of two functions, is then each function also a solution for the equation?
If we write the general solution for a differential inhomoginous equation as a superposition of a the inhomogionous solution and the homoginous. Does then each one of the terms that we added in itself a solution for this equation?
I have theoreticla physics and we didnt really do integration and such deeply but i need to know some basics to work
 
@Knight There is not enough information about your function,sequence, vector, variables, constant.....etc so I can't answer that.
I need to take a nap. Bye guys!
 
8:06 AM
@TedShifrin A Conversational Introduction to Algebraic Number Theory: Arithmetic Beyond Z is the book you were talking about?
@TedShifrin looks like the book u mentioned about hardy is better since it looks like it covers almost all the stuff covered in book mentioned by BalarkaSen
and it covers fermat's last theorem ? looks interesting since my high school teacher told me his arse was kicked by reading his proof and theorem.
But I think I should learn abstract algebra and group theory before that monster.
 
 
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9:53 AM
Hello!! Does someone of you have an idea about my question about isometries?
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10:16 AM
Hello!
I'm new here!
 
@AlexanderGruber Nice, good to hear.
 
@Baraka Sen isn't for f_n $\displaystyle\lim_{n\to\infty}\int f_n=\int f$ don't necessarily be uniformly convergent. It just need to be continuous?
Oh Now I understand why lol.
well actually no
I forgot completely how I proved it damn it.
We know that if it is uniformly convergent it is true. But if it is not uniformily convergent is it true?
@Thorgott can you answer. Looks like you do have some exp in real anal.
 
10:32 AM
So say that you have a pair (x^{x+1}, (x+1)^x) for all positive integers x... Is there any relation whatsoever between these pairs?
 
Hi @Balarka
 
It is still true in a lot of cases, but not always
Proving it in the case of uniform convergence is almost trivial
Proving the more general versions is more involved
Look up Dominated Convergence Theorem
A classic counterexample is the sequence of functions $1_{[n.n+1]}$
 
Hey guys, been working on some generalised theta functions, and ended up with this. If anyone has an idea would be nice math.stackexchange.com/questions/3663815/…
 
Another one is when you take the sequence where the $n$-th functions graph is a triangle of width $1/n$ and height $n$ (say, left basepoint at $0$ always)
The moral of those two counterexamples is that you don't want your sequence to "escape to infinity" in some way
And this is what is being precluded by assuming there is some integrable majorant
 
10:49 AM
Hi @Alessandro
 
@Thorgott You increased it to measure theory lol. Yep for uniform convergent it is trivial just need to use some property of integral. For other cases I need to learn Measure Theory.
But I used more complicated proof to prove that crap. Will take time to convince you. 😂😂😂
 
@user574847 I'm not sure if someone else responded but your misunderstanding is what happens along the centarl circle
On the central circle, you still have n fibers above every point: the fibers above $z$ are $e^{2\pi i k/n} z$ as $k$ varies.
You're identifying every two points on the central circle that differ by multiplication by a root of unity
 
But I found if I used integral property then Doesn't necessarily need uniformly convergent .
I mean the addition property of Integral
Why didn't I think of that.
Whyyyyyyy!!!!!??!??!?
Wait that implies continuity
because if uniform convergent then continuous and that property need continuity
Well that explains it all
Thanks @Thorgott I am gonna learn group and measure theory day after tomorrow to inspect dominating convergent theorem
Oops misspelled it
Why the more you learn math the more boring video games becomes?
 
11:12 AM
idk, not necessarily true in my experience
 
I don't know what video games should I play now. Every video games I played just feels extremely boring. I have feeling that every progress I make will be temporary and nothing will be eternal. Just having the feeling of one day everything will diverge and become dark. Everything is just illusion of time.
 
11:30 AM
Who is to say time itself is not an illusion
 
Borges has a good essay where he argues that.
Worth reading
 
Took me a bit to find
It's very good though
 
Time is not an illusion. According to my son, time is the opposite of a chair.
 
That's excellent, I love it
 
The mathematical description of time is moot.
 
11:37 AM
I don't think any of us are trying to give a rigorous definition of time
Doesn't strike me as a fun problem
 
So what is mean by time is opposite of a chair.
 
As he is a child, I think you must stretch the imagination to make it fit perfectly
 
You can't get rigorous version of time. I think it is not universal.
 
@StupidKid It was a jolke he came up with. It doesn't really work in English.
 
What kind of stable singularities should maps $f : M^3 \to N^3$ between $3$-manifolds have? There should in general be a surface worth of fold points, lines worth of cusp points along those fold surfaces, and those lines meeting at swallowtail catastrophes
I would be surprised if there are other possibilities
 
11:38 AM
Einstein says it's not universal
 
This should be all in Guillemin-Golubitsky but seems like a fun exercise to guess
 
Anyway read that essay it's very nice
 
@TobiasKildetoft So how will I understand the joke?
 
"A chair has legs but cannot walk. Time walks but has no legs" (in Danish we say that time walks, rather than passes)
 
Time can't be applied in very small scale.
 
11:39 AM
@TobiasKildetoft Oh that's nice
 
Yeah, I rather liked it (he came up with it as he was falling asleep, so he felt that he had to call me in to tell it immediately)
 
@TobiasKildetoft N+ice
 
@BalarkaSen What does a swallowtail look like
 
They are points where cusp lines meet, and looks pretty much like a swallowtail. Let me see if I can find a picture
 
Well I think I should be learning physics but I will freakin learn it when I master undergraduate math fulllyyyyyy...
I wanna troll my teacher by suddenly standing and walking on board then I write some chinese and tell him in chinese to explain it all
And spank me
 
11:43 AM
This seems good
You should imagine it as, consider two "oppositely oriented" cusps so you can run them togather and cancel by a homotopy $f_t : \Bbb R^2 \to \Bbb R^2$ so that $f_0$ has no cusps and $f_1$ has two oppositely oriented cusps
The movie of this has a cusp catastrophe at the point it cancels
 
Guys Which movie should I watch to get faith in Mathematics
 
I hope I am not bullshitting and it's actually a singularity of $\Bbb R^3 \to \Bbb R^3$ than $\Bbb R^3 \to \Bbb R^2$
 
The man who knew infinity was boring. Einstien Episodes were boring. Alan Turing was basically gay and very inaccurate. John Nash was inaccurate.
Are there any more movie which is actually accurate
 
Hmmm
It's hard for me to tell what that's a singularity of
 
Yeah me too
I am not looking it up just yet though, let me think
 
11:49 AM
Well I just don't know how they're representing singularities
 
What is singularity
 
How do you think they would draw $f(x) = x^2$
 
Give me a mathematical definition.
 
Do you know critical points from calculus
And do you remember the second derivative test
 
Yes
Even kids know it's intution.
 
11:51 AM
@MikeMiller It should be just the graph. For example, you draw the cusp singularity as
But 3x3D graphs are complicated to draw so they're doing something different
 
Let's say $f(0) = 0$ for convenience. Stuff from calculus says: if $f'(0) \neq 0$ (or in higher dimensions $\nabla f \neq 0$) then $f$ looks like a straight line. To rephrase, there is a diffeomorphism/change of variables $\varphi$ of the domain so that $f(\varphi(x)) = L(x)$ is a linear function.
 
Maybe restricting to the fold surface, likely, so that it becomes a 2x2D graph which you can embed in R^3 as a graph by compromising self-intersection
 
You also know from calculus that if $f'(0) = 0$ but $f''(0) > 0$ then $f$ "looks" like the parabola. More precisely (in 1D, I will not bother phrasing it in higher dimensions) we have that there is a diffeomorphism $\varphi$ of the domain so that $f(\varphi(x)) = x^2$.
What you're seeing is that you can describe totally the local behavior of a function given some constraints on their derivatives.
A singularity is the local behavior of a function at a critical point --- we consider two singularities equivalent if there is a diffeomorphism of the domain taking one to the other
So we see that the simplest singularities are local mins / local maxes but they get much more complicated
Balarka is talking about a specifically nasty kind of singularity which I think comes from a map R^3 -> R^3
 
A non-mathematical detour: Have you ever looked at ruffles in your bedsheet? Mostly they will look like paraboloid (a "fold"), or picture like the one I linked above (called a "cusp"). Why don't other kind of ruffles occur? This is because these are the only kind of ruffles/singularities which are stable under small deformations of the bedsheet - this is what Whitney proved a long time ago
It's impossible and extremely hard to see other kinds of singularities in nature
Mike gave a precise formulation of what singularities of maps $\Bbb R \to \Bbb R$ looks like ($x^2$). Those will be the most common ruffles in bedsheets of 1D creatures
 
Mike Miller I will read your explanation on latex compiler. I can't see latex.
 
11:59 AM
Yes you can dude see the tinyurl thing in the chat description
@BalarkaSen the bedsheet thing is very nice
 

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