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12:01 AM
ah, ok, it seems that Lee has different definitions than what I'm used to
@topologicalorientablesurface what's the issue with it being defined on $C^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^n)$?
 
no issue with it being defined on $C^{\infty}(\mathbb{R}^n)$
issue is with the $C^{\infty}_p$ stuff, how is $\phi : T_p(\mathbb{R}^n)\rightarrow D_p(\mathbb{R}^n)$ above a map between the two spaces? maps in $D_p$ are derivations $D: C^{\infty}_p\rightarrow \mathbb{R}$
 
$D_v$ is a map $C^\infty_p \to \Bbb R$. It takes a smooth germ $[f]$ at $p$ and returns $D_v f(p)$.
It is in fact a derivation
 
no
Lee defines derivations as maps with domain $C^{\infty}$ rather than $C_p^{\infty}$
he doesn't talk about germs at all at this point
 
What I said goes through
I don't care about who defines what :P
 
it's equivalent in the end
 
12:06 AM
Lu sais the same thing
 
but I feel like topological is getting hung up on trying to read from Lee and Tu simultaneously
 
yeah I guess so
 
now who's Lu :p
 
lol
dunno
I meant Tu
Tu sais the same thing
no?
 
Lee and Tu did the good ol' fusion dance
 
12:08 AM
ahaha
that cracked me up lol
 
Lee is not correct in defining derivations as a map from $C^\infty$. It happens to not be a problem because in the smooth world you have bump functions; in the algebraic world it is a map from the ring of germs.
(In the holomorphic setup you run into problems because not all holomorphic germs come from holomorphic functions)
Just read Tu and stick to it
 
Tu defined $D_v : \mathbb{C}^{\infty} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$
 
For Tu, $D_v$ is a map on $C_p^{\infty}$. For Lee, $D_v$ is a map on $C^{\infty}$.
 
Pick someone who defines it as a map from $C^\infty_p$, and stick to it.
 
12:10 AM
thats what i'm tryibg to do @BalarkaSen
lol
oh wait
 
Lee officially cancelled because he didn't choose to pedagogically ease people into holomorphic germs
 
Tu does define it
from $C_p^{\infty}$
 
Great, stick to Tu :P
 
yup!
 
looool
finally, all I had to do was turn the page
 
12:12 AM
@Thorgott I find Lee to be hard to read in general, to be honest
It spends years on careful details of calculations and indices
It's not that complicated
Although to be honest I never read a smooth manifolds book, strictly speaking
 
I haven't really looked at Lee
just went through bits of Tu alongside my lecture and they were good
indices are the devil
 
Yeah Tu is actually pretty good with details and intuition both
 
@BalarkaSen where do you suggest learning this smooth manifold stuff from then? my uni doesn't teach it and i'm self learning
 
I have not read his manifolds book but his differential geometry book was nice
@topologicalorientablesurface Tu is good, why don't you proceed with it
 
earlier today, I had to explicitly construct a vector field on projective space using charts
didn't bring much joy
 
12:15 AM
yeah, I think I will.
why is it "better" to define derivations $C_p^{\infty}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}$?
 
What is your definition of $C^\infty_p$?
 
Yes, but what are germs, to you?
 
equivalence classes of $[(f,U)]$ where $f: U\rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ is $C^{\infty}$
and $U$ is open and contains p
equivalence relation is:
 
That's all I wanted to know
$f$ there extends to a smooth function on the whole manifold $M$ because of bump functions. So you can equivalently define it to be equivalence classes of smooth functions on $M$, equivalence being "agreeing on some open nbhd of $p$"
 
12:20 AM
okay, this bump function thing is popping up alot. Seems important
 
That's why you can define derivations on all of $C^\infty$ instead of on $C^\infty_p$
Right, bump functions don't exist in other setups - eg in complex manifolds instead of smooth manifolds
 
Identity theorem. The simplest example of a bump function is something like a smooth function $f : \Bbb R \to \Bbb R$ such that $f \equiv 1$ on the open interval $(-1, 1)$ and $f \equiv 0$ outside the open interval $(-2, 2)$. You will learn to construct such things.
 
holomorphic functions can't have compact support unless it's the zero function
 
There is no holomorphic function $f : \Bbb C \to \Bbb C$ such that $f \equiv 1$ on the open disk $D_1(0)$ and $f \equiv 0$ outside the open disk $D_2(0)$.
 
If a holomorphic function on $\Bbb C$ is constant on a large enough set it is just constant.
Globally so
So there are more holomorphic functions on an open neighborhood of the origin in $\Bbb C$ than on all of $\Bbb C$, roughly speaking. Local is different from global.
In the smooth world, local = global
 
that doesn't sound like a good slogan
 
I don't like slogans
Anyway, so for more general purposes, it is good to define derivations as functions on $C^\infty_p$ than on $C^\infty$
 
thanks @BalarkaSen
 
also, if you talk about a derivation on $C^{\infty}$, reasonable people will think you mean a global one
 
12:31 AM
Yeah it's just weird to say "derivation at p is a function C^infty -> R such that..."
It caused me some confusion when I was learning this
 
12:48 AM
How do I show that $\frac{\partial{x^i}}{\partial{x}^j}=\delta^i_j$
$x^i=\pi^i \circ x$
$\pi^i(x)$, I meant
 
plug in the definition
as a limit, that is
 
yeah that was my idea. I keep getting 0. $\frac{\partial{x^i}}{\partial{x^j}}= \frac{\partial\pi^i(x)}{\partial{x^j}}=0$
i'm too tired lol, so it may be something dumb
 
tell me the limit you are looking at
 
$\pi^i(x)-\pi^i(x)$ in numerator and $t$ in denominator. Isn't $x^i$ constant?
 
that's not the correct numerator
 
12:56 AM
oh, $x^i$ are functions
not necessarily constant
 
yeah, it's the projection on the $i$-th coordinate
 
yeah, $x^i= \pi^i(x)$
okay, I didn't treat $x$ as a function, that was my issue. I think I should go sleep now.
Take care guys
really appreciate your help
 
G'night
 
night
for the record, you will encounter similar slight notational abuse more often
 
Let $f : X \to Y$ be a continuous map between locally compact spaces, and $f_! : Sh/X \to Sh/Y$ be direct image with compact support. I will show that that this has no right adjoint. Suppose $f^! : Sh/Y \to Sh/X$ was right adjoint, so that the formula $\mathbf{Hom}(f_! \mathscr{F}, \mathscr{G}) \cong f_* \mathbf{Hom}(\mathscr{F}, f^! \mathscr{G})$ holds.
 
1:05 AM
oh no
 
LOL, echoes @Thorgott
 
$i : U \hookrightarrow X$ be inclusion of an open subset. $(i^! \mathscr{G})(U) = \text{Hom}(\Bbb Z_U; i^! \mathscr{G})$ which is section over $U$ of the sheaf $i_* \mathbf{Hom}(\Bbb Z_U; i^!\mathscr{G})$ on $X$, which by above formula is isomorphic to $\mathbf{Hom}(i_! \Bbb Z_U; \mathscr{G})$
Sections over $U$ of that is just $\text{Hom}(\Bbb Z_U, i^* \mathscr{G}) = i^* \mathscr{G}(U)$, so $i^! = i^*$ for open inclusions
Let $f : X \to Y$ be a continuous map, $i : U \hookrightarrow X$ be an open inclusion and $g = fi$, $\mathscr{G}$ a sheaf on $U$. Then $(f^! \mathscr{G})(U) = \text{Hom}(\Bbb Z_U, i^* f^! \mathscr{G})$, and $i^* f^! = i^! f^! = g^!$, so we are computing section of $\mathbf{Hom}(\Bbb Z_U, g^! \mathscr{G})$ over $U$
So confusing
Ok, this is the same as global sections of $g_* \mathbf{Hom}(\Bbb Z_U, g^! \mathscr{G})$ over $Y$. By formula this sheaf is $\mathbf{Hom}(g_! \Bbb Z_U, \mathscr{G})$.
So $f^! \mathscr{G}$ is just the sheaf $U \mapsto \text{Hom}(f_! (\Bbb Z_U)^X, \mathscr{G})$ on $X$, where $(\Bbb Z_U)^X = i_! \Bbb Z_U$ is just the skyscraper sheaf on $U$ over $X$
The contradiction is that this is not a sheaf lmao
 
 
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3:21 AM
@robjohn hi sir
 
 
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5:00 AM
@loch Someone asked me what is the meaning of Grothendieck-Riemann-Roch theorem, a question I am obviously ill-equipped to answer. In my mind it says there's some map $ch : K_0(X)\otimes \Bbb Q \to \text{Chow}(X; \Bbb Q)$ related to Chern classes that gives an isomorphism - topologically that doesn't sound too far-fetched to me, because the complex $K$-theory spectrum is $BU \times \Bbb Z$, and $H^*(BU; \Bbb Q)$ is a polynomial algebra on the universal Chern classes.
is there any sense to this vague ass explanation or is it just nonsense?
 
Pig
6:00 AM
@BalarkaSen how is upper shriek defined?
 
@Pig ideally you want it to be a right adjoint to the lower shriek, but the above calculation shows that no such thing can be defined
apparently once you pass to the derived category there exists a $f^!$ right adjoint to the higher direct image with proper support, $Rf_!$, though
trying to understand this stuff
 
Pig
so 1. there's no direct definition, and we should just think of it functorially and 2. in what context is it not defined? category of sheaves?
 
2. yes, in the category of sheaves, $f_!$ does not have a right adjoint
 
Pig
ah cool
lower shriek is extension by 0?
 
for inclusions that's my understanding yeah. in general it's some complicated definition like $f_! \mathscr{F} = \{s \in \mathscr{F}(f^{-1}(U)) : s|\text{supp}(s) : \text{supp}(s) \hookrightarrow f^{-1}(U) \to U \; is\; proper\}$ but i am not sure what this means
 
Pig
6:07 AM
sure
do you know what the deal of those six functors stuff is? I heard about this before but don't know what the context is for people to care
also what does your notation $s |_{supp(s)}: supp(s) \to U$ mean?
 
im trying to learn that business rn haha. i think why i care is it gives something called Verdier duality, which is some duality involving these many functors -- for example, Poincare duality is a direct corollary of this somehow
it seems people just mess around with these six functors and get some identity which gives a fact about cohomology theories somehow
sheaf level dualities, i guess
 
Pig
so is it an abstraction (at what level?) to get poincare duality type of result?
i suppose that's likely cohomology isomorphism with dualizing complex or something
 
@Pig restrict $s$ to the support of $s$
yeah i am seeing the word "dualizing complex" but i do not know what this means
 
Pig
I mean, $s$ is a section not a function right? So which is why $supp(s) \to U$ confuses me
 
you define support of a section $s$ of $F(U)$ for a sheaf $F$ on $X$ to be the set of points $x \in U$ such that $s_x = 0$, i.e., there is some open nbhd of $x$ such that $s \equiv 0$ on that nbhd
 
Pig
6:15 AM
oh never mind, it's restriction of $f$
it makes sense now
 
lol i defined the complement of the support
sry
 
Pig
lol np it's clear
why do you learn this stuff btw? Just curious in what context would this show up
 
@Pig Goresky-Deligne-MacPherson developed some cohomology theory for singular spaces where they used these stuff to establish Poincare duality
basically want to understand what kind of black magic these guys did
 
Pig
i see
are there other singular contexts where we have poincare duality type results?
i don't know anything about Goresky-MacPherson, but my impression is they consider stratified spaces, so singularities have to be fairly isolated
but i don't know if there are other kinds of spaces where one can handle
 
6:30 AM
stratified spaces have much more general singularities than isolated ones
i dunno how much worse singularities you want to consider
for example all singularities occuring in algebraic geometry falls under their umbrella
 
Pig
hm never mind you are right
 
7:28 AM
Hm, if $f : X \to Y$ and $F$ is a sheaf on $X$, $(f_! F)_y$ is the space of compactly supported sections of $F$ over $f^{-1}(y)$. Sounds checkable.
$(f_! F)_y = \varinjlim\limits_{U \supset y} (f_!F)(U) = \varinjlim\limits_{U \supset y} \{s \in F(f^{-1}(U)) : s|\text{supp}(s) : \text{supp}(s) \subset f^{-1}(U) \to U \; \text{is proper}\}$
This sits inside $\varinjlim\limits_{U \supset y} F(f^{-1}(U))$ and in the directed system of neighborhoods of $f^{-1}(y)$, the saturated ones form a cofinal subset
Well, if $f$ is closed
This I don't know
Anyway assume this so that it sits canonically inside $\varinjlim\limits_{V \supset f^{-1}(y)} F(V) = F(f^{-1}(y))$
So for closed $f$ at least we have a map $(f_! F)_y \to \Gamma_c(f^{-1}(y); F)$
 
8:24 AM
@BalarkaSen why
 
8:43 AM
Hello
anyone here conversant with topology?
 
9:06 AM
Just ask your question, if someone knows the answer they'll write it
 
9:26 AM
Is notion of neighborhood similar to open set in R?
 
it's similar to neighborhoods in R
 
9:46 AM
A nbhd of a point is, depending on definitions, either an open set containing the point, or a set containing an open set containing the point
 
10:19 AM
Actually what's the advantage of defining a nbhd of a point as a set containing an open set containing the point?
 
Sometimes you want to work with closed neighborhoods, or compact neighborhoods of a point
 
I see
 
A space is locally compact if every point has a compact neighborhood, and these are an interesting class of spaces
 
Yeah
I was thinking about that
especially as local fields are locally compact topological fields lol
 
it's just a language issue in the end ig
 
10:23 AM
Regular spaces are spaces where closed neighborhoods form a local base: Every open neighborhood contains a closed neighborhood
 
@Edward do you want to hear another tale from German bureaucracy?
 
go ahead
 
So I confirmed with Muesnter that I accept the doctoral position they offered. I just got an email which is basically "that's great. Attached you will find the forms you need to fill for the contract". With 20 attachements
 
hahahaha
 
They're all in both English and German, but that's still a lot
 
10:29 AM
and you have to fill them out with a rainbow coloured pen and sign them in blood else they're considered invalid
 
ok hot take, but indices in rep theory are actually worse than indices in smooth manifolds stuff
 
and if they arrive in the period of time 8:07 - 13:22 then you'll be deported
 
um guys
what does this particular phrase mean?
how do i compute the order of error?
 
@EdwardEvans At least they don't have issues with stamps
 
10:32 AM
rofl yeah
ergh I've been stuck on a computation for like a day
the red bull is flowing
 
Functional analysis? Or
 
@EdwardEvans Very goth
 
@Thorgott Nothing beats differential geometry; $R_{ijk}^l$
 
@Alessandro trying to compute the character of an induced representation explicitly
 
10:34 AM
I think I have seen genuine differential geometry books lowering and raising 6 indices in a tensor
 
@BalarkaSen Isn't that the capital of Iceland?
6
 
loool
 
Lmao
 
hahahahha
that got me good
@Amanda look at the linked article, the Taylor expansion gives you an explicit term for the error
 
@Alessandro my book says "From Z.16(7) it follows that $\chi_{\operatorname{ind}_H^G M}(g) = \sum_{i, \sigma_g(i) = i} \chi_M(h_{g,i})$"
that equals sign is like 4 pages in another book
 
10:36 AM
Hahahaha classic
 
10:46 AM
 
What a font man
 
the indices switch roles between the lines in a notation where their range is completely implicit
 
@EdwardEvans Ainem Azur should be name of a font
Then you can tell people you write your papers in Fontaine Mazur
 
haaaaaa
if only I understood things like Fontaine-Mazur
 
i pass
 
10:57 AM
@Thorgott Ah it's related to the remainder theorem, I see. I recall learning about Taylor series, then I came across the remainder theorem, which actually sounded fucking cool by description. I looked at the proof, and I gave up... :')
 
Taylor series has multiple derivations.
There are easy ones too.
 
guess it's time i should give it another go
 
look in Joseph Edwards' Differential Calculus for Beginners, you'll find a formal derivation there. Probably second last chapter...
@AmandaMacaurenni Do u need alternate derivation?
Well that can be converted to a graphical derivation, but, it'd be better not to do.
 
11:21 AM
Let $X$ be a topological space and $\mathbb{U}$ an open cover of $X$.
Suppose we are given a basis for each $U\in \mathbb{U}$, show that the union of all these bases is a basis for $X$.
My attempt:
Suppose each $U\in \mathbb{U}$ has a bases, $\mathbb{B}_U$. Claim: $\mathbb{B}=\bigcup_{U\in \mathbb{U}}\mathbb{B}_U$ is a basis for $X$. If $P\in \mathbb{B}$, then it is a basis member for some $U$, and thus open
in $U$. Since $U$ is open in $X$, $P$ is open in $X$. Let $V$ be open in $X$, I must show that it is the union of some collection of members in $\mathbb{B}$. Let $x\in V$. Since $\mathbb{U}$ coverse $X$, $x\in V\cap U$. Since $V\cap U$ is open in $U$ , there exists a $B\in \mathbb{B}_U$ such that that $x\in B\subseteq V\cap U \subseteq V$. $V$ is the union of all such possible $B$.
 
yesterday, by Semiclassical
so $$(1+x+x^2+\cdots +x^q)^2-x^q =\frac{(x^{q+2}-1)(x^q-1)}{(x-1)^2}$$
star that msg by semiclassical on the right side of the starboard
It's fun
 
12:17 PM
I don't know whether it's a right platform but anyway my question is - How do you guys motivate yourself while learning new stuff when you don't know the importance at the very start? For instance, I am learning about subspaces and I don't see why we need it. I asked my professor, he said that I will see the importance of it in the future like in eigenvectors or orthogonality but in this scenario what do you do when you don't know at the very start?
 
wanting to understand the importance is a motivation in and of itself
 
@abhas_RewCie Thank you Abhas, but I think I will undertake that gory proof once more 😂 Let's see if I can do it :3 But of course I'll hit you later if I can't understand it.

Also, Taylor series in the second chapter of a book? *chuckles* I'm in danger.
 
12:44 PM
I find myself reading Sheaves on Manifolds by Kashiwara-Schapira. How did this happen?
 
that is an excellent question
 
1:03 PM
@BalarkaSen Oh no
 
 
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2:05 PM
unfortunately my topology is too abysmal for me to decide if what you're saying makes sense :(

but anyway -- i think of GRR as just a relative version of Riemann-Roch (taking Y to be a point recovers Hirzebruch-Riemann-Roch). this 'makes sense', except one might wonder what does a 'relative version of Riemann-Roch' mean ---

so maybe it's worth staring at Hirzebruch Riemann-Roch for a second. tl;dr - it says that the holomorphic euler characteristic of a vector bundle can essentially be computed by integrating some chern classes of the vector bundle (and the todd class, which is data from
@BalarkaSen self-harm is bad
 
@loch @Balarka I'd like to highlight how even an algebraic geometer is telling you that
 
small "dumb" question, I have that $u_\theta=r^{3/2}\dot{\theta}$ and $u_r=r^{1/2}\dot{r}$ moreover $-V(\theta)=\frac{u_r^2+u_\theta^2}{2}$, how can I simplify further this expression $-u_ru_\theta/2 - \frac{d \ V(\theta)}{d\theta}$?
obviously $u_r$ does not depend on $\theta$ so the derivative wrt $\theta$ is 0
but i'm getting confused for some reason for the $\frac12u_\theta^2$ part, I end up with $-\frac{1}{2} r^{3/2}\frac{d\theta}{dt}\frac{d}{d\theta}\left[\frac{d\theta}{dt}\right]$ which doesn't make sense (btw the dot from earlier is derivative wrt $t$)
 
2:21 PM
it allows people to do topology without seeing the topology
for example your various long exact sequences in topology actually come from morphisms you get from adjunctions of functors...

but more seriously somehow people figured out that sheaves are very powerful in topology - eg like balarka mentioned its good for singular spaces

and singular spaces really do show up quite often in geometry, esp. 'relatively' - eg fibers of a morphism between two smooth spaces can be singular. in topology there's leray spectral sequence where when you have a fibration you can relate the topology of the b
 
@loch Thanks for the detailed answer! I'll forward this to my friend
lol @ self-harm
 
so i guess step 1 of the story is - convince yourself that it's ok to do topology with sheaves (e.g. singular cohomology = sheaf cohomology of constant sheaf etc.)

and that sheaves come with a bunch of abstract nonsense so you can apply them to topology

(i dont know what the further steps are)
 
@loch i learnt half a day ago that if $f : X \to Y$ is a map (continuous between LCH spaces in my setup), $F^\bullet$ is a complex of sheaves on $X$, then there's an isomorphism in hypercohomologies $H^\bullet(X; F^\bullet) \cong H^\bullet(Y; R^\bullet f_* F^\bullet)$. For $F^\bullet$ to be constant sheaf on $X$ concentrated in degree 0, this says singular cohomology of $X$ can be recovered from hypercohomology of the "fiber cohomology sheaves" on $Y$
if $f$ is fibration this gives me Leray-Serre SS I believe
 
for short, step 1-infty: abstract nonsense
 
so it seems believable these kind of things are useful in algeo where you have a sufficiently nice family of schemes (eg flat family?) instead of a bundle
$Rf_*$, $Rf_!$ etc are actually just relative versions of cohomology (w compact support respectively) which I think is a very algeo perspective of things which magically happens to be useful in topology
thats what their stalks keep track of, cohomology of fibers
 
2:32 PM
that sounds right
do you not need any assumptions on f ? (idk)
 
I don't think so, no
Maybe properness somewhere
I have to check carefully
I have to prove that if $K$ is a c-soft sheaf on $X$ then $U \mapsto \text{Hom}(f_! i_* i^* K, F)$ is a sheaf on $X$ for any sheaf $F$ on $Y$
kill me
 
 
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4:07 PM
Hello. Quick question: let's say that $A=\{A_1,A_2,\dots\}$ is an infinite-countable collection of sets. Then, is the set of all intersections of $A_i$ still countable?
It would be the set containing all the $A_i\cap A_j$.
 
what does countable mean to you
 
If there is a map from $\mathbb{N}$ to the set.
 
surely that map ought to have an additional property
 
and it's bijective.
Maybe the set of all intersections could be arranged like Cantor's diagonalization?
 
then consider what happens if all $A_i=\emptyset$
 
4:13 PM
In that case, the set of all intersections is $A$
 
oh wait, that doesn't give a countable collection in your sense, sorry
ok, the answer is yes
to start with, can you see that the collection of all intersection is at most countable (meaning finite or countable)?
 
If $W$ is the set of all intersections $A_i\cap A_j$, I think that the map $f:W\to \mathbb{Q}$ can be defined as $f(A_i\cap A_j) = i/j$. Doesn't this define a bijection? And $\mathbb{Q}$ is countable.
 
that map is not necessarily well-defined
we can have $A_i\cap A_j=A_k\cap A_l$, but $i/j\neq k/l$
and that issue aside, the map still wouldn't be injective
but the idea isn't bad
you try doing something with $\mathbb{N}^2$ instead
 
4:40 PM
yo
Anyone wanna talk about Life?
 
 
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6:13 PM
Hello all!
We know that the relation in $\Bbb{Z}$ given by $xRy\iff5\mid x-y$ is an equivalence relation, where $[x]=\{x+5k\mid x\in\{0,1,2,3,4]\}$, so we have 4 equivalence classes
But now I am wondering if this other set: $\{x+5k\}$ (which I think we assume $x\in\Bbb{Z}$) is also the quotient set
 
@manooooh: 5 equivalence classes, of course.
 
@TedShifrin yes, including $0$, sorry
 
if $[x]$ is supposed to be the equivalence class of $x$, that's not what you're describing
 
I don't know what you mean by the second set. The set notation is wrong for $[x]$, for starters.
Hi, @Thorgott.
 
@TedShifrin how do we justify that $\Bbb{Z}/R\neq\{x+5k\mid x\in\Bbb{Z}\}$?
 
6:23 PM
You're not writing things that are carefully defined.
 
but $\Bbb{Z}/R=\{x+5k\mid x\in\{0,1,2,3,4\}\}$?
 
No, that is wrong.
 
Hi @Ted
@manooooh what is $k$?
 
For someone who pays attention to symbols and quantifiers, you're being totally sloppy.
 
$k$ is an integer
 
6:24 PM
which one?
that's not the same set for different $k$
 
@TedShifrin ok lemme be more clearly. We know $\Bbb{Z}/R=\{\overline{0},\overline{1},\overline{2},\overline{3},\overline{4}\}$ ok?
Is that correct?
 
Yes, that's correct.
 
I am asking how do we justify that $\Bbb{Z}/R\neq\{\ldots,\overline{-2},\overline{-1},\overline{0},\overline{1},\overline{2},\overline{3},\overline{4},\overline{5},\overline{6},\overline{7},\ldots\}$
 
Answer your own question.
 
(Without knowing the correct answer of course)
 
6:28 PM
that's not true
those two sets are equal
 
@Thorgott well, I know that $\overline{5}=\overline{0}$, $\overline{6}=\overline{1}$ etc.
 
Pig
@loch thanks that's helpful!
 
@Thorgott so can we argue that $\overline{x}=\{\overline{x+5k}\mid x,k\in\Bbb{Z}\}$?
 
screams in pain
 
that makes little sense
you are quantifying over $x$ within the set, but that's supposed to be $\overline{x}$ for a fixed $x$?
 
6:33 PM
that's why we should use type theory
 
6:55 PM
Problem solved
The problem was that there are 5 classes in total, and we must pick one representant for each class. Thanks anyways!
 
 
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8:34 PM
Help! I need mathy book recommendations
 
8:59 PM
What kind of book?
 
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