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12:25 AM
@Bob Look about a quarter of the way down in this article. In the caption of the pictured model of peaking are both a link to the github for the model (so that you can play with it yourself) and some commentary on what parameters' reasonable ranges might be.
 
Bob
@nitsua60 thanks
 
@Bob o7
Note that (in case you don't have time to read and reread the article) his point about adjusting fatality rate may seem odd: how can we adjust the fatality rate of the virus? It's not treatments he's talking about; he's talking about fatality of the 5% of cases that are critical sliding from about one-fifth of them (what we're seeing in most places now) to nearly all of them as ICU capacities are exceeded.
 
Bob
I do not believe a 5% fatality rate
 
(I.e. if your ICUs are full, most who're critically ill and can't get into an ICU die.)
@Bob What do you believe?
 
Bob
is an ICU that much better than a standard hospital bed? I think not
I think the fatality rate is more like 2%
 
12:38 AM
Currently, yes.
 
Bob
I live in the US
 
His point is to look at what fatality rate can be expected beyond overwhelming hospital resources.
@Bob Me, too.
 
Bob
we will have make shift hospitals
but I could see all the ICU beds full
 
I.e. the numbers we have on fatality rates right now come (almost?) exclusively from looking at the fatality of cases that received the very best their medical systems could offer. That gives you 1-2% mortality.
I don't know to what extent #ICU beds is a proxy for a lot of underlying factors: number of ventilators, personnel, ability to turn over cases. I suspect that makeshift hospitals will not be as good as "real" hospitals. Beyond that, I'll leave you to play with the model.
 
Bob
I agree
that is why I said a 2% fatality rate
what I would like to see is the number of active cases increase by only a fixed amount every day
 
12:42 AM
the tricky part of "when will it peak" is that it depends so much on the response
 
Bob
and I think that could happen within a week
I also think warmer weather, which is coming, will help
 
so linear increase, rather than exponential?
 
Bob
we need much warmer weather
right, a linear increase
 
here's hoping
 
Bob
say a 15,000 increase every day in the number of active cases
 
12:44 AM
i mean, neither exponential nor linear increase can be maintained forever
but it can last long enough to hurt a hell of a lot of people
 
Bob
we can maintain a linear increase for a long time
 
@Semiclassical Thank you, Thomas Malthus =P
 
Bob
I think the real problem, and I use to be a fee-only financial planner, is going to be economic
 
So you might know the history better than most: do you know of a good comparison example where a country (or many countries) effectively decided to enter a recession/depression?
 
12:46 AM
i'm not counting out the health impacts yet, but it's hard to understate the economic impact
with most economic crises, there's some point of origin: failure starts in one region and spreads from there
here, the economic stress is more or less global
the health impacts might spread region-by-region, but the economic impacts are much more systematic
 
I was trying to talk my mother-in-law off a ledge and used the metaphor: "it's not like we were running a marathon, dropped to the ground, and paramedics are trying to figure out what's wrong. It's like we were running a marathon, we got a phone call that turns out to be critical, we're taking it, we don't know how long it'll be, but after it's done we can get back to our running."
 
Bob
I believe the flu problem of 1919 lead to the depression of 1920
 
I have no idea how accurate that is, though!
 
Bob
The depression of 1920 was as sever as the great depression, but a whole lot shorter
I am in NJ
and a lot of business are closed
for example, all the car dealerships have stopped selling cars
 
i think there's no perfect analogue
simply because of how global it's been
previous epidemics have shut down regions at a time
 
12:50 AM
@Bob As of 50 minutes ago everything "nonessential" in my state is closed.
 
but the entire country more or less going into seclusion?
 
Bob
where are you nitsua60
 
CT
 
Bob
I am in NJ
 
MN here
i think the worst hasn't hit here yet
but i've nevertheless been working from home since last week
 
Bob
12:51 AM
nonessential is subjective
for example, here in NJ, liquor stores are open
 
Bob
as they are considered essential
 
not sure subjective is the right word, but it's certainly relative
 
Bob
golf courses are closed
 
@Bob I'm still going golfing, though. Just going to slip a twenty under the door of the pro shop each time I do. (I live near a course where I've literally never seen more than 4 people on the course at a time, anyway.)
 
12:53 AM
gamestops are california is closed, much to their exec's consternation. "we sell electronics, and people can use that for remote work, so we're totally essential"
 
Bob
I use to play
sort of giving it up
I did not play last year
I wonder about the local public schools
like high schools
I am thinking they will be shutdown for the rest of the school year
 
yeah, i'm dubious that our uni will reopen this semester
 
Bob
are you a professor?
 
the in-class instruction shutdown is scheduled through April 1
"teaching specialist", aka TA with more than 50% time
so I don't lecture or anything
but i do coordinate labs and discussions
 
Bob
I see
 
12:59 AM
and boy, is that different right now
 
Bob
I need to be going
nice chatting
wishing you the best of health
bye
 
later, stay safe
 
1:22 AM
Hey everyone. I'm trying to approximate a distribution as a sum of identical unfair dice.
An example of what I mean by "a sum of identical unfair dice" is that I have 64 dice, each of which has a 5% chance of rolling -10, a 30% chance of rolling -1, a 30% chance of 0, a 30% chance of 1, and a 30% chance of 10. I roll all 64 dice and add the resulting values together.
Has there been any research into how to do a good job of approximating a distribution this way?
 
@TerranSwett Why do those percentages add up to 125%?
 
Whoops, I meant a 5% chance of rolling 10.
 
That'll do it. So the two extremes are pretty unlikely, and 90% are 0+/-1.
 
Yeah.
The reason I'm doing this is I'm trying to implement a lattice model: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice_model_(finance) Essentially, I'm assuming that the price of a company's stock goes up or down each minute according to an unfair die.
 
1:33 AM
something something normal distribution, of course
 
@nitsua60 Nice! Now the question is how to make the output of that look like a particular distribution that I have here.
 
View-->Graph, Data-->Normal
Note that View-->Export will let you see the float values.
 
Specifically, a normal-inverse Gaussian distribution with alpha = 0.39, beta = -0.073, mu = 0.54, and delta = 1.9. That particular distribution is a pretty good approximation to the particular set of stock market returns I'm looking at.
 
And, of course, that site is running a simulation, not an analytical solution. (Hence its mean value of 5e-16, rather than zero.)
Alright--having done my month's duty on the math side of things, I'm going to crawl back to my RPG hole =)
 
All right :D
Here's a sub-problem I'm thinking about. What properties does a single die need to have for its distribution to have extremely high kurtosis (around 250, say)?
One example is a die with a 0.2% chance of rolling -1, a 99.6% chance of rolling 0, and a 0.2% chance of rolling 1. The kurtosis of this die is (exactly?) 250.
In order to have such a high kurtosis, is it necessary for a die to have faces that are very unlikely to be rolled?
Or can I attain a high kurtosis like that using only faces that are likelier?
 
 
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2:47 AM
@user714630 on the other hand, it is true that the MVT guarantees that the components of the velocity vector, must each vanish at some time. It's just that those times need not coincide.
 
3:15 AM
I'm bored. Maybe I'll read some coarse geometry
I forget the Jacobi equation. Let $\gamma : [0, 1] \to M$ be a geodesic in a Riemannian manifold and $X$ be a vector field along $\gamma$ with $X(\gamma(0)) = 0$ such that the variations $\gamma_s : [0, 1] \to M$ defined for $s \in (-\varepsilon, \varepsilon)$ along $X$, i.e., satisfying $\partial_s \gamma_s(t) |_{s = 0} = X(\gamma(t))$ are all geodesics as well.
What was the equation now
So the equation is $\nabla_{\gamma'}^2 X + R(X, \gamma') \gamma' = 0$ but only if I could remember how to obtain this
$R(X, \gamma')\gamma' = \nabla_X \nabla_{\gamma'} \gamma' - \nabla_{\gamma'} \nabla_X \gamma' - \nabla_{[X, \gamma']} \gamma'$, the first term is zero because $\gamma$ is geodesic.
Oh ok this crap. $\nabla_X \gamma' = \nabla_{\gamma'} X + [X, \gamma']$ by the magic torsion vanishing. Take $\nabla_{\gamma'}$ on both sides
 
3:35 AM
hi there,
I'm looking for a recommendation for nonlinear differential equations lecture notes
 
I get $R(X, \gamma') \gamma' = -\nabla_{\gamma'}^2 X - \nabla_{\gamma'} [X, \gamma'] - \nabla_{[X, \gamma']} \gamma'$
Dang, some sign mistake
Weird, I don't see the error
I was hoping to apply torsion vanishing again and get some $[[X, \gamma'], \gamma']$ term, oh well. Seems everything is correct.
Ah but I am dumb, $[X, \gamma'] = 0$ I think
$[X, \gamma'] = [\partial_s \gamma_s(t)|_{s = 0}, \partial_t \gamma_s(t)|_{s = 0}]$ and $\partial_s$, $\partial_t$ commutes in $[0, 1] \times (-\varepsilon, \varepsilon)$, the domain of $\gamma_s(t)$. Their pushforwards will also commute.
So $\nabla_{\gamma'}^2 X + R(X, \gamma')\gamma' = 0$ is indeed the Jacobi equation
 
4:13 AM
@BalarkaSen chess?
 
hi i am using the fourier transform
i am lost in this wilderness
send help
 
@LeakyNun I prefer coarse geometry
 
of coarse you do
 
4:35 AM
@Semiclassical You there?
 
Here comes the knight
 
😁
I’m angry from you anakhro 😭 you didn’t help me there. Still now I’m unable to isolate $x$
 
I get that.
Math is hard. It takes some struggling.
I am learning this more and more every day.
And eventually I hope you start learning it, too.
 
Today I will try everything and if I won’t succeed, you will help me, deal?
 
No.
But if you do try everything, you won't need help. ;)
 
4:40 AM
I will show you my work, okay?
 
Knight, don't bother with me.
I am UP TO NO GOOD.
I also have to sleep. Goodnight fellow
 
Have a Good Knight Sleep!
 
 
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6:03 AM
How logical it is to draw a graph of function which which inflect just before infinity.
 
 
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7:53 AM
@LeakyNun Hi
 
 
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10:41 AM
@skullpatrol Hello Pal i sade?
 
hi pal, why?
 
@skullpatrol Didn’t get that “why?”
 
11:32 AM
@anakhro Have a look at this : $$ \textrm{We want to prove that $\lim _{x\to \infty} \frac{x}{e^x} =0$ }$$
Consider an $\varepsilon \gt 0$ , we assert that $$ \bigg | \frac{x}{e^x} -0 \bigg | \lt \varepsilon \\ \textrm{Without loss of any generality we will consider only positive $x$} \\ \frac{x}{e^x} \lt \varepsilon \\ \frac{1}{e^x} \lt \frac{x}{e^x} \lt \varepsilon \\ \frac{1}{e^x} \lt \varepsilon \\ 1\lt \varepsilon \cdot e^x \\ ln (1) \lt ln (\varepsilon) + x ln(e) \\ 0 \lt ln(\varepsilon) + x \\ x \gt -ln(\varepsilon) \\ x \gt ln \left ( \frac{1}{\varepsilon} \right) $$
Please ping me about how you think about it.
 
How to solve cosh z = -2 using matlab?
 
@Knight Why have you written it backwards?
 
12:31 PM
@Semiclassical Darn.. is that how the mean value theorem works?
 
 
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1:45 PM
Have you tried:

syms x
eqn = cosh(x) == -2;
S = solve(eqn,x)

I don't have matlab myself.
 
@MatsGranvik What? e: I think you replied to the wrong person.
 
@Archer
 
@MatsGranvik Yeah i figured it out
but it gave answer in the form acosh(-2)
which wasn't useful
I wanted in a+ib form
 
@Archer It looks solvable by hand?
$\frac{e^z + e^{-z}}{2} = -2$. Put $e^z = t$, you will get a quadratic.
 
2:44 PM
$1=1$
$1=1+1-1$
$1=1+1+1-1-1$
$1=1+1+1+1-1-1-1$
$...$
$1=\underbrace{1}_n-\underbrace{1}_{n-1}$
 
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feedback?
 
hmm... so given an ordered set and a sigma algebra, one can formalise the idea on which element is close to another by the sigma algebra
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Q: Difference between topology and sigma-algebra axioms.

CreatorOne distinct difference between axioms of topology and sigma algebra is the asymmetry between union and intersection; meaning topology is closed under finite intersections sigma-algebra closed under countable union. It is very clear mathematically but is there a way to think; so that we can defin...

Topologicalcafe: yeah, proof looks fine to me, you basically take the intersection of the balls inductively with smaller and smaller radii, then the subsequences are going to converge with d vanishing hence cauchy
 
3:06 PM
Nationwide lock-down declared in India from 12 Midnight
 
@AbhasKumarSinha is that for covid or something else
 
@Semiclassical COVID-19 because we crossed 10 deaths.
 
@user714630 it’s an implication of it. Suppose you consider your horizontal coordinate as you walk in a circle at constant speed
 
3:27 PM
I keep not liking what I say
You start out at one particular horizontal coordinate, and after walking around in a circle you're at the same coordinate. So you've got x(time 2) = x(time 1)
 
@Semiclassical Ya know, I learnt to prove that if time period of a planet in a circular motion is $sr^{3/2}$ for $r$ as radius then force is in the form of $c/r^2$.
 
hence the MVT says there's some time between 1 and 2 where dx/dt = (x(t2)-x(t1)) / (t2-t1) = 0. that is, the horizontal velocity must vanish at some time.
 
Just 2 liner proof for that
also that doesn't require kepler
 
ya, Kepler's 3rd law
 
@Semiclassical 2 liner proof? you know that?
 
3:30 PM
not off the top of my head
actually
for circular motion, yes
showing how it works for elliptic orbits is the tricky one
 
@Semiclassical show it....
For circular motion
That can be extended to elliptic motion too!
 
$F\propto a_c \propto v^2/R \propto (R/T)^2/R=R^T^2$
derp
$F\propto a_c \propto v^2/R \propto (R/T)^2/R=R/T^2$
so $T\propto R^{3/2}\implies F\propto R^{-2}$, done
thing is, that's only as short as it is because i'm taking a lot of stuff as 'obvious'
$v=2\pi R/T\propto R/T$ is trivial enough, but $a_c=mv^2/R$ is not obvious at all when you first see it
and neither work if it's not uniform circular motion
@user714630 continuing with my comments above: you can do a similar argument for the vertical coordinate, and therefore conclude that the vertical velocity must be zero at some time
However
Those are two separate MVT arguments. There's no requirement that those two quantities must vanish at the same time. Hence one can't conclude that you were ever 'stopped' on the track; all you can conclude is that you momentarily 'stopped' moving left/right
Another way to see it is that, for the purposes of speed (not horizontal or vertical velocity), what matters is the distance you've walked.
But the distance you've walked keeps increasing with time. You never have "distance at time 1" = "distance at time 2"
so there's no MVT argument to be had here.
 
3:51 PM
@feynhat I think we do it that way, first we assume some kind of $\varepsilon$ then we do it, ha?
@Semiclassical Sir sir sir! How are you?
 
alright. i meant to link this to you: I asked our question about toroids in the Physics chat (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/71/2020/3/18/16-21)
see knzhou's response starting here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/71?m=53839884#53839884
 
@Semiclassical Please Explain the first point in this :
 
So evidently it is something that matters, and the usual solution is to do counterwinding
 
oof
that's a lot of pictures
 
3:54 PM
You can do it sir!
 
but, you mean (1)?
 
Come on!
@Semiclassical Yeah
 
if you rotate the cylinder through an angle around the vertical axis, then you get the same picture back
as such, the magnetic field should be invariant under such rotations
similarly, the cylinder (if it's assumed to be infinitely long) is unchanged if you slide it vertically upwards
and therefore the magnetic field should be invariant under vertical translations
 
But I find these things very very informal.
 

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