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12:10 AM
@user10478 I don't know if it will be helpful to you, but this answer shows how the Poisson probability is related to a limit of Binomial distributions.
@amWhy Thanks. I have candy that won't be given out tonight because we won't be having any ToT tonight.
 
12:54 AM
What is the Laurent series expansion of an entire function? Is it just the power series? I.e., are no there no negative powers of $x$ in the expansion?
 
That's correct. Laurent series reduces to power series when you have only a removable singularity (or a holomorphic function to start with).
 
Okay. Thanks!
 
1:25 AM
What does it mean for a complex function to be meromorphic at infinity?
 
Finite order pole at infinity. So a polynomial at infinity, not something like $e^z$.
 
Ah, I see. Thanks!
 
1:49 AM
Okay. Here's a problem I am working on: Show each branch of $f(z) = (z^2 - 1)^{5/2}$ is meromorphic at $\infty$, and obtain the series expansion for each branch at $\infty$...So I gather I need to find the order of pole $w=0$ of $g(w) = f(1/w) = \frac{(1-w^2)^{5/2}}{w^5}$, right? How do I deal with the square root in the numerator?
 
2:07 AM
Happy Halloween!
Can we share jokes here or is it considered bad?
 
no problems here pal
you can dig up some jokes here too

 Jokes

fun
 
2:25 AM
Happy Halloween.
 
@user193319 you know how to find a Taylor series for, e,g., $\sqrt{1+z}$. Just do it.
 
Even the saints are getting one less hour this year
Oops. Actually, All Saints Day is one hour longer.
We need a miracle this year.
 
2:44 AM
good morning people
 
\o hi
 
@TedShifrin Hmm...But what do I do with that power of $5$?
 
Compute the Taylor series as you did in calculus. Or do the sqrt series and then take the $5$th power.
Howdy, skull.
 
hi professor
 
$5$th power of the whole series? That sounds like it'd get ugly really quickly.
 
2:53 AM
sometimes you learn things from ugliness
 
Okay. So from what I'm reading, $$\sum\limits_{n=0}^\infty\dfrac{(2n)!z^{2n}}{4^n(n!)^2(1-2n)}$$ is the expansion of $\sqrt{1-z^2}$
And then I have to raise this to the $5$th power?
 
3:19 AM
Sometimes proving the generalization is easier, like in the Taylor series case. Am I right?
 
 
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6:20 AM
I am going to buy Jiri Lebl's Basic Analysis. Is it good for a beginner? Is it worth buying?
Note: I am a beginner in real analysis.
 
7:16 AM
Or how would be tao's analysis?
 
 
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8:50 AM
For diffeomorphism between regular sufaces $f:S->\tilde{S}$, an orientation for S naturally induces a well-defined orientation for \tilde{S} w.r.t. which $f$ is orientation preserving.
If $N$ is the given orientation then $N\circ f^{-1}$ seems to be the natural orientation for $\tilde{S}$
But <(N\circ f^{-1})(f(p)),v> = 0? for $v\in T_{f(p)}\tilde{S}
Only know $<N(p),v>=0$ for $v\in T_pS$
My definition of orientation is unit normal field on regular surface
And normal field N is a vector field such that <N(p),v> = 0 for all p\in S(regular surface) and $v\in T_pS$
 
9:49 AM
@love_sodam No, there's no reason to believe that the pullback of a normal field is a normal field. However, the pullback of a normal field is never parallel to the surface, so always picks out one particular side of the orthocomplement. You can use that to determine what the induced orientation is.
Consider for S the top quarter of the sphere, S-tilde a disc in the xy-plane, and f the projection, to see what's going on.
 
10:10 AM
Hullo
 
hi
 
Hey @Astyx
 
How did Haloween go?
 
we held a little get together OF TWO HOUSEHOLDS AND NO MORE at my friend's place
How about you?
 
I spent the evening on a puzzle with my siblings and parents lol
it was chill
 
10:13 AM
nice man
sounds chill
Oh we went urban exploring too
rofl
 
You didn't know the city in which you were?
 
no I mean, there's an abandoned casino about 1km from our block, and one of the doors was open, so we went and had a look around there in the night
was pretty cool
 
Oh, spooky :p
 
yeahhhh, perfect location for a rave
or somewhere for homeless people to take shelter, there was no wind or anything inside, was pretty warm
and there were still seats in the basement with leather covered cushions and stuff
 
@Astyx wanna play chess?
 
10:18 AM
Sure
I haven't played in ages
But we can give it a go
 
what's your lichess username?
 
I sent you an invite
 
10:35 AM
How many squares in a chessboard? It's not 64, count all possible squares. Squares like this should also be counted:
 
204
I gotta go rn @LeakyNun
 
ok
 
ty for the game
 
u2
 
11:38 AM
What is u2?
 
you too
 
@LeakyNun Oh
I don't know these short phrases
When is the derivative the inverse of the integral? In other words, when is $$g^{-1}(x)=F(x)$$
where $g(x)$ is the derivative of the function $f$ and $F(x)$ its integral?
Note: $g^{-1}$ is the inverse function of $g$, not its reciprocal.
 
12:44 PM
How can I show two twist Mobius strip is orientable?
 
1:18 PM
By giving a nowhere-zero normal vector
 
 
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2:36 PM
What do you call taking a real function in $\Bbb R^2$ and taking a diffeomorphism, and then changing the variable to a complex variable?
is it "conjugating by diffeomorphism?"
 
@Astyx Oh, that really is. Thanks.
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Q: Odd/even twisted Mobius strip

love_sodamHow can I show that $2k$ twisted Mobius band are all diffeomorphic and $2k+1$ twisted Mobius band are all diffeomorphic? where $k\in\mathbb{N}$ Edit: Parametrization of $n$-twisted Mobius band: $f(u,v) = (cos(u)(2+vsin(n\frac{u}{2})),sin(u)(2+vsin(n\frac{u}{2})),vcos(n\frac{u}{2}))$

In the comment, someone said that even twisted Mobius strips are all diffeomorphic and so is odd twisted strips. How can I find the diffeomorphism between thoese things?
 
3:21 PM
double twist möbius strip
 
@Thorgott What do you mean?
 
3:35 PM
@TedShifrin would it be taboo to ask a potential supervisor who I have not yet been in contact with if he had a topic for a Ph.D. in a particular subfield? The professor in mind wrote a paper on something I actually have deeper experience with in 2010, but since then has seemingly not worked on it according to their list of recent publications. I do not know if it is worth mentioning or if I should just be prepared to do something they are currently working on. Any advice?
 
Is the reason $C^\infty(M)$ over some manifold is a ring and not a field because defining "pointwise division" of two functions would be ill defined for any functions that pass through zero?
 
The reason it is a ring is because you have not yet defined the multiplicative inverses. The problem with defining multiplicative inverses is what you stated.
 
Got it, thank you :)
 
@anakhro No, that is not correct
The reason it is a ring is that you have defined the operations
The reason it is not a field is that not all non-zero elements have inverses with the given operations
 
the "and not a field" is implicit.
 
3:44 PM
You don't define the inverses. They either exist or they don't
 
It's conceivable that you can change the operations. I suppose that goes to your first point.
But I like to think of it as only being concerned with the structure you care about, rather than anything that comes on top of that.
 
being a field is not additional structure
 
But I suppose you are right algebraists see fields in particular as special rings usually.
Rather than it being like groups to rings
 
This is not about how algebraists see things. This is a fundamental difference between something being additional structure vs satisfying additional conditions
 
Yes.
Though I do have a sudden urge to see if this can be spun around.
Because it is based off of a popular definition of ring and field.
I feel as though one can define ring and field differently.
And in particular, a field just to be with the unary operator "/"
So in a sense I think it really is about how algebraists popularly see things.
Just not meaningful enough to fight about it.
 
3:59 PM
there are algebraic structures coming with a unary operator "/"
they're called wheels
 
@Thorgott literally thought you were trolling
 
You also have it in constructive definitions of fields, Thorgott
Not just wheels.
 
so it's not about how algebraists see things, but about how non-constructivists see things
 
Wait, how is / a unary operator?
 
Wow I can't find the diffeo or homeo between full twisted Mobius strips. I thought google would know
 
4:06 PM
The property of being a unit is intrinsic to the operation, not to the element. Why bother defining a "division" operation when all of the information you need is in the multiplication you already have?
 
@Thorgott one does not need to be a constructivist to use a constructive definition or proof.
@TobiasKildetoft in wheels, it's really straightforward: / basically is the operation "$x\mapsto 1/x$".
 
What a weird choice of symbol then
but then, it does match the usage of - as a unary operator
 
but one has to be a constructivist for there to be any tangible difference in using a constructive definition
 
@Thorgott there is a tangible difference in constructive mathematics. But I'd definitely agree that there is not necessarily a philosophically tangible difference
That is, it takes a special intangible something to insist it ought to be the constructive way.
 
@love_sodam I doubt there's anyone willing to work out the diffeomorphism in terms of parametrizations, that seems to be ridiculously ugly
 
4:14 PM
break the streak, be the first person who is willing to give an explicit diffeomorphism
You will go down in history as the first person to ever do it
 
4:28 PM
I am having trouble trying to understand the solution of this MSE post:
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Q: Vector space of holomorphic functions on the extended complex plane

Airdish Let $V$ be the vector space of functions that are holomorphic on the extended complex plane except possibly at the points $0$ and $i$, where they have poles of order at most two. What is the dimension of $V$ ? Give an explicit basis for this vector space. I don't really know where to start w...

Why is $g(z) = z^2 (z-i)^2 f(z)$ entire? Is it because the singularities $0$ and $i$ are removable? How does one show that?
 
that's like the definition of having poles of order at most two at 0 and i, is it not
 
Maybe...
Let me check.
"The isolated singularity at $z_0$ is defined to be a pole if there is $N > 0$ such that $a_{-N} \neq 0$ but $a_k = 0$ for all $k < -N$"
How do I perform a Laurent series expansion when I have two singularities?
 
what's a_k in that definition
 
It's part of the Laurent series expansion at $z_0$. But how do an expansion when I have two singularities.
Another excerpt from my book: "Suppose that $f(z)$ has an isolated singularity at $z_0$. Then $f(z)$ has a Laurent series expansion $$f(z) = \sum_{k= -\infty}^{\infty} a_k(z-z_0)^k$$"
 
you treat the singularities separately
 
4:36 PM
Hmm...But then how do I verify that $z^2(z-i)^2f(z)$ is entire?
Do a series expansion at both $0$ and $i$, and then multiply both series by $z^2(z-i)^2$ and show that there are no denominators?
 
@Thorgott Then what is the standard way to prove it?
 
@user193319 yes
 
Merry Christmas
 
feynhat: you too
 
wait what
 
4:49 PM
25 (in DECimal) = 31 (in OCTal)
 
@love_sodam dunno, probably starts by finding a better definition for the doubly twisted strip
 
@love_sodam I think the usual explanation is using deformations in R^4
 
I guess the moral reason this should hold true is that if you paste two fundamental squares of the Möbius strip together you end up with the fundamental square of the cylinder
 
Because any three dimensional embedding of the two looks different, but adding an additional dimension allows you to untwist the strip. But if you wee only considering this in three dimensions, it looks like you are cutting the strip.
 
like, if you cut the doubly twisted strip up at one point, you can just un-twist it to get a rectangle, but this is compatible with the orientation on the ends you cut up (unlike in the case where you have only one twist), so you can reglue them
@anakhro ah, so they're even ambiently isotopic in 4 dimensions?
 
4:52 PM
I think so?
 
@feynhat are you still in 31
 
There ought to be a stackexchange answer on that.
 
idk, I don't have geometrical intuition in 4 dimensions
 
@EdwardEvans No. I just saw Halloween greeting in the sidebar. I guess @TedShifrin is.
 
I see hahaha
 
4:54 PM
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Q: In how many dimensions is the full-twisted "Mobius" band isotopic to the cylinder?

KaiusThere is a question on this site about the distinctions between the full-twisted Mobius band and the cylinder, but I would like to ask something different, so I start a new question. Let us call $C$ the standard cylinder embedded in $\mathbb{R}^3$, and call $F$ the full-twisted Mobius band (aka....

I don't either.
 
@Thorgott @anakhro Thanks. Strange... the book is about differential geometry for beginners
 
@love_sodam it's not an exercise to be proven rigorously, that's for sure. What Thorgott said about the gluing with the correct orientation is probably what the book intended.
Also Ted is here and he might have a great simple explanation.
 
@anakhro damn, I only half get it, but that's super neat
 
I like to think about orientation in terms of local homology. With this I can clearly see why the double twisty Mobius band should be orientable. You can continuously choose generators of $H_2(X, X-x)$, just take a small oriented circle about $x$, when you go around the double twister, the orientation reverses twice and you get back to where you started from with your circles having the same orientation.
 
orientability is also clear since you can give a continuous/smooth normal vector field
(and that already forces the doubly twisted strip to be the cylinder by classification of line bundles over S^1, but that's just abstract nonsense)
 
5:05 PM
orientability is also clear because I can make a paper model of it and draw a line on one side and it won't be on the other side.
 
@anakhro Well maybe. I would ask TA or Professor for this.
 
@anakhro In response to your question, I think you could contact the prof and say that you're really interested in his 2010 paper — even better if you have specific comments or even a question. You could ask to "meet" to talk with him about it. His response should tell you something.
 
Maybe it's possible to write down a diffeo in terms of the parametrizations and it turns out to not be that ugly, but I wouldn't wanna find out
 
@anakhro You should ask Mike your isotopy question, but I would be the answer is $4$. This question should probably be settled by old work of people like Hirsch and Smale, but it's not stuff I know.
The fancy way of looking at this is to look at real line bundles on the circle. They are classified by $\Bbb Z_2$, and the double-twist is the tensor product of the generator with itself.
 
The answer is yes for 4, see the link
 
5:17 PM
What's cooking
 
I am making cauliflower shawarama
 
$4$ works, yes. If you allow self-intersections then you can do it in $\Bbb R^3$ in a way that self-intersections itself do not intersect.
So they resolve one dimension up
 
Hi, a @Balarka.
 
@TedShifrin thanks!
 
Hi @Ted
 
5:20 PM
Balarka, do you know of a video for the embedded R^3 way?
 
Huh?
 
Like sort of like the sphere eversion video
 
I cannot parse the question
Oh, well, no. But you can draw a sequence of pictures if you want to.
@Thorgott A diffeomorphism is clear. Consider $S^1 \times D^2 \to S^1 \times D^2$, $(\theta, z) \mapsto (\theta, e^{i\theta} z)$. Image of $S^1 \times I$ where $I \subset D^2$ is a diameter under this diffeomorphism is double-twisted Mobius strip.
I think
Ya
Imagine both $S^1 \times D^2 \subset \Bbb R^3$ embedded as the standard solid torus.
@anakhro Another way to see it would be to note that if $H \subset \Bbb R^3$ is the Hopf link and $U \subset \Bbb R^3$ is the unlink consisting of two circles, then embedding $\Bbb R^3 = \Bbb R^3 \times 0 \subset \Bbb R^4$, you have an ambient isotopy of $\Bbb R^4$ taking $H$ to $U$. This is because $H$ and $U$ are isotopic as links inside $\Bbb R^4$ (this is easy). $H$ bounds the double-twisted Mobius strip as Seifert surface in $\Bbb R^3$, whereas $U$ bounds the annulus.
The ambient isotopy must take one Siefert surface to another, so you're done.
 
The reason I was asking for a video was because there was someone here who was expecting a more elementary solution. ;P
 
Yeah you can draw it anyway
It's really simple
Was anybody asking for this ambient isotopy though? I thought someone was looking for an explanation of orientability, which doesn't need any of this. I also wrote down a diffeomorphism.
 
5:57 PM
@Thorgott Okay. Thanks! Another question: how does Kavi show that $|g(z)| \le C|z|^4$ for some $C > 0$?
 
6:45 PM
Can anyone explain the upvotes?
 
Lol
 
What does the group $\langle a,b,c\mid a^pb^pc^p=1\text{ for all $p$ prime}\rangle$ look like?
Does $a^kb^kc^k=1$ for any nonprime $k$?
 
7:00 PM
(ab)^2 = a^2 b^2 implies ab = ba, so a and b commute
c = (ab)^-1 so a^k b^k = (ab)^k by commutativity implies a^k b^k c^k = 1
 
@Balarka ah, yeah, it's nice if you do it like that
 
Why does $(ab)^2=a^2b^2$?
 
a lot nicer than the explicit parametrization sodam had
 
oh 1 is not a prime i see
lol
 
@user193319 $f$ is bounded near $\infty$ by hypothesis, the $z^4$ comes from bounding $z^2(z-i)^2$ (in absolute value)
 
7:02 PM
No I'm confused by your first step
Why would a and b commute?
 
If 1 was prime abc = 1 implies c = (ab)^-1, so a^2 b^2 c^2 = 1 implies a^2 b^2 = c^-2 = (ab)^2
 
Oh I see
 
@Thorgott Yeah, I gathered that the $C > 0$ came from $f$, but are you saying that $|z^2(z-i)^2| \le |z|^4$?
 
for large $z$, yes
up to a constant, anyhow
a degree $n$ polynomial is bounded by $M|z|^n$ for some constant $M$ and large enough $z$
 
7:05 PM
Well, $b^2$ commutes with $a^3$ I think
 
oof
 
it should be possible to massage these identities into something useful
 
@Thorgott Okay, I'll try verifying that later. However, I have another concern. I followed what Kavi suggested to find a basis for $V$. Given what he showed, I can write $$f(z) = \frac{a_4 z^4 + a_3 z^3 + a_2 z^2 + a_1 z + a_0}{z^2(z-i)^2} = a_4 \frac{z^2}{(z-i)^2} + a_3 \frac{z}{(z-i)^2} + a_2 \frac{1}{(z-i)^2} + a_1 \frac{1}{z(z-i)^2} + a_0 \frac{1}{z^2(z-i)^2}$$
It's clear that those five functions span $V$, but how do I show they are linearly independent? It doesn't seem like an easy task.
 
they all have the same denominator, so it's no different from showing that the polynomials in the nominator are linearly independent
but they have pairwise different degrees
 
Oh...you're right...shoot. Thanks!
I may have asked this already, but my brain is running on fumes at this point: If $f$ is analytic at $\infty$, does this mean that there exists $r > 0$ and $C > 0$ such that $|f(z)| \le C$ for $|z| \ge r$?
 
7:26 PM
you just need continuity at $\infty$ for that
well, continuity and finite value
 
Ah, and analyticity implies these.
 
hello everyone
the importance of lim sup and lim inf while studying sequences of real numbers is because they gave us the power to see "how far" we can make a subsequence go with a given "parent" sequence?
 
7:44 PM
@EduardoC. The point is that you want something to replace LIMIT when a sequence does not converge. So knowing liminf and limsup allows you to do estimates and, also, to prove convergence when they are equal.
 
By defining them in terms of sup and lim, you're guaranteed they always exist (in $\mathbb R\cup\{-\infty,\infty\}$)
The lim sup is the maximum limit of a subsequence
 
how do you prove that every cyclic group is countable(i.e either finite or countably infinite)

If have written

let g be generated by G

and I am confused here, what to do next.
 
@TedShifrin Awesome! Thanks
 
@user1993 Count them
 
@AkivaWeinberger Thanks!
 
7:54 PM
you know what every element of a cyclic group looks like
 
Just as a cliffhanger, how will this relate to future topics in analysis?
 
Construct a surjective function from $\Bbb Z$ to the group
 
@Eduardo: It's impossible to answer that. It's asking how limits or maximum values appear in analysis, and they're everywhere.
 
Did I share this here, by the way? Someone made a VR software that imagines knot-shaped portals
The software's website is here: imaginary.org/program/knotportal
This is an "order-2 branched cover". "Order 2" means a path that wraps around a piece of the knot twice gets you back where you started. For the unknot, that gives you two worlds; for the trefoil knot, you get six.
 
@TedShifrin Ok, thanks!
 
@AkivaWeinberger Have you studied a proof of the Gordon-Luecke theorem btw
 
No, what's that?
 
Homeomorphic knot complements implies isotopic knots
 
(False for links)
 
7:59 PM
No, I haven't
I've seen the counterexample for links
 
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