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12:06 AM
@TedShifrin for my hyperbolic geometry lecture, I planned to do a bit of Kathryn Mann's "DIY hyperbolic geometry" (with a paper model and drawing geodesics), a little on projections (Poincare disk and halfplane), and geodesics. Then for the tutorial they will be working through some stuff about deriving a distance function for H and the Three Inversions Theorem for the hyperbolic plane.
Since I didn't have trig, I stayed away from the hyperbolic trig stuff.
 
You should look at some of Escher's lectures/prints!
 
Yes, that's in the lecture, too.
In fact, I used Circle Limit III to be exact.
 
Nice!
 
I am excited for this lecture but it's the second one, and I haven't even done the first one! I am just planning them all in advance so that in case I get stuck with other duties in TA work and stuff I do not have to work on it for a whole week.
 
I did a freshman seminar 12 years ago on Escher and math. We discussed Escher's lectures the first half and I taught some elementary projective and hyperbolic geometry the second.
 
12:21 AM
How did you find that that one went? Did they seem to like it?
 
Meh. A one-unit pass/fail course. I tried, but never did another “required” freshman seminar.
 
@anakhro Katie is great. I bet that's a great document.
 
Howdy @MikeM
 
It's got some great ideas on it! I think it was a draft sheet for instructors, though, since it is kind of rough and some things are only sketched out.
 
1:03 AM
@TedShifrin you there? could i possibly talk to you?
 
1:30 AM
Does anyone know what the difference (i.e. regarding the implications/meaning; I am aware how the different definitions look like) is between Christoffel symbols of the first kind and of the second kind?
My metric tensor does not have an inverse... so the Christoffel symbols (of the 2nd kind) diverge.... I figured the Christoffel symbols of the first kind would work... can I just switch to the Christoffel symbols of the 1st kind and use them instead of the ones of the 2nd kind?
it seems too easy...
 
its been awhile let me look up the defintions of the christaweful symbols
Ted would know
 
@Faust I know, Ted always has an answer :-)
 
well you can't switch them
at least i dont think, can i see the question?
i thought the measured things form a diffrent point of view.
@eigenvalue well he quite litterally wrote a book on it so it makes sence
If i remember correctly there are 2 semi standard ways to define the second kind
I know the first and second kind are related but they are deftinly not the same.
$\Gamma^{a}_{bc}=g^{ad}[bc,d]$
think thats how you go between one and the other
 
1:56 AM
@JoeShmo I mean yes i see that it is a differential operator, however it seems that we just expose dy/dx through some manipulation of dividing the dx , which i know is through chain rule but when can we do this manipulating
 
@Faust There is no question... but "measured things form a diffrent point of view" is the kind of explanation I am looking for.... or more precisely: I am wondering if the Christoffel symboled of the first kind define something equivalent to the Levi Civita connection
 
@JosephRock, I'm not sure what you're referring to
 
@eigenvalue yes they are similar christoffels symbols looks at the situation in a local kind of sense but they are very similar
especially when you restrict yourself to R 3
 
 
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3:59 AM
How would we evaluate the limit $$\lim_{k \to \infty} \frac{(n+k)!}{(n-1)!(k+1)!}$$
 
Do you know Stirling's formula?
 
Yeah... but does it have to be done that way?
 
No I am only familiar with highschool level calculus methods
The limit is equal to infinity right?
 
pretty sure.
 
Not clear to me. I need to work it out.
 
4:10 AM
Hows Ted?
 
Hi, Faust.
 
How you doing?
 
Still alive, no thanks to our idiotic government.
 
O.o yeah its bad down there
 
@Mathphile The answer is $1$ when $n=1$, so why do you think infinity?
 
4:12 AM
did you get it using standard methods ted?
 
what does wheb mean?
 
I don't have it all yet.
 
I thought that it is pretty clear that if we expand out the factorial the limit is equal to infty
 
No, it's not pretty clear and almost surely it’s wrong.
 
$(n+k)!=a.(k+1)!$ for some $a$ right?
 
4:16 AM
not sure you can just multiply out like that
 
$a=(n+k)(n+k-1)(n+k-2)...$
When $k \to \infty$, we get $a \to \infty$
 
Thats not gunna help you i don't think
 
So $$\lim_{k \to \infty} \frac{(n+k)!}{(n-1)!(k+1)!} = \frac{a.(k+1)!}{(n-1)!(k+1)!}=\frac{a}{(n-1)!}=\infty$$
 
Try your argument with $n=1$.
 
$(n+k)! \leq n! * (k+1)!$ when n is large enough
this tells us that the limit is finite or diverges to infinity.
wrong way on the symbols
ah here we go
 
4:24 AM
Yeah, you are right, if $n\ge 2$, but I don't like your sloppy way of writing math.
 
when n is large enough we can say that $(n+k)! \geq n! * (k+2)!$
that gives us divergence
 
$n$ is small, not large.
 
@TedShifrin Alright but for $n\gt 1$ my argument holds true right?
 
Yes.
 
i mean when i say large i think i only need n to be 2 or something
nvm you already wrote that
 
4:26 AM
Blah.
So what've you been up to, Faust?
 
n is an integer and finite so we can just do all cases less than than the min
doing n=1 and n=2 and then all n bigger than 2 at once or something
@TedShifrin i sent you an email i almsot died
Back in April
 
Oh, haven't checked email. yikes.
 
When $n=1$ the limit equals to 1 otherwise the limit tends to infinity
 
@Mathphile you need to write it up properly and check the min n properly.
 
alright
 
4:29 AM
its not a big number but i am not sure n=2 tends to infinity check that inequality i made and find the minium n fo rit to be true
 
Nah, you don't need any of that. Mathphile is right, if he just writes it carefully.
 
The $n! * (k+2)!$ is what you need to use
the other one won't work
 
With $n\ge 2$, what he called $a$ is at least $k+2$, which goes to $\infty$ as $k\to\infty$ (and the denominator is fixed).
 
ok as long as someone checked it ^^ I didn't
 
@Faust: I am glad you're alive and getting healthy. I assume this is totally unrelated to the COVID mess.
 
4:31 AM
not totally unrelated, i was hospitalized due to my inability to breath
 
Oh geez. Sounds related.
 
There were other health issues that came into play and its been a long recovery im just now getting to feeling good.
 
This world is so ****ed up.
I'm glad you're getting better.
 
It's weird i can run and bike and shit now. but sometimes i still can't catch my breath when i am sitting on the couch
@TedShifrin How busy are you these days?
 
Pneumonia works in strange ways. This does sound like COVID.
 
4:34 AM
I ended up on oxygen for 5 or 6 days but never needed a ventilator.
 
Did you ever figure out where you got it?
 
My university
 
All the selfish people who walk around this country without masks make me furious.
My former university is a cauldron of COVID now.
 
We had one of the first outbreaks in Canada a student got it and brought it back form china
 
I'm glad you have good healthcare.
 
4:36 AM
I thought they passed a bill to cover all health expenses of covid even in the usa?
Or did i misunderstand that?
 
Oh hell no.
 
Your country makes no sense.
 
And Tromp is trying to railroad his supreme court pick to overturn health care for the millions who can't afford expensive insurance.
It's been railroaded by a dictator wanna-be and the Senate has been complicit and let him ruin the country and millions of people's lives.
Anyhow, no more politics.
 
Its funny i never liked our prime minister until this pandemic broke out. He has done a very good job of making sure everyone is taken care of.
 
We liked him down here. :)
 
4:39 AM
I am trapped in mostly the middle of nowhere for the next 3-6 months
Looking for something to do.
 
I saw your email. What was the project you finished before this?
 
Friend came and got me from the hospital (only way they'd let me out.) but hes a researcher on agriculture so im where they grow fruit trees lol.
Knot's
 
Something I know almost nothing about.
 
But you know lots of stuff about geometry and some topology no?
 
Yes. Did you ever go through my diff geo notes and work exercises?
 
4:42 AM
a long time ago, i was looking for the book again today
 
It's easy to download.
 
Could i possibly have the link?
 
It's in my profile.
Did you ever learn some projective geometry?
 
i mean i learned form the ground up to a hilbert space
 
Did you ever learn about differential forms?
Hilbert space is something else :P
 
4:43 AM
diffrential forms of what?
 
LOL, that means no.
They're the right way to do multivariable calculus and differential geometry :)
 
i haven't done math in 6 months and i was never good with names of things
 
Thinks like $dx$ and $dx\wedge dy$.
 
like manifold theory and that fucked up derivative thats not a derivative?
but is basically the same thing
think so.
 
You're talking about covariant derivative in differential geometry?
 
4:46 AM
maybe, i took a class on manifolds and we uses some stuff that looked alot like that notationally when we were talking about the derivative
but it was actually a derivative it was just equivalent in a manifold.
 
So, aside from my book, there's a lovely new book by Jeanne Clelland which does basic surface theory (and a bit more) using differential forms. It has great, great exercises, including some Lie group stuff.
 
oh intresting
 
Yeah, I think you're talking about covariant derivative when you have a connection.
 
Is that related?
 
did I hear someone say $\Gamma$?
 
4:47 AM
Well, it can be related.
heya @robjohn ... say hi to Faust after months and months of COVID. :)
 
@Faust you had the nasty bug?
 
yes. I actually did a serious review of it before publication, but I haven't seen the final version.
 
Yeah, with some other health problems it almost got me.
 
@Faust glad it didn't!
 
4:48 AM
Yes, we're glad to see you recovering.
@Faust: If you haven't learned forms, you could do my YouTube lectures or read that part of my multivariable math book.
 
@robjohn Thanks! put me out of commission for at least 4 months though
 
I think Clelland does enough to do surfaces in her book.
 
@TedShifrin i ordered it off amazon i will try n find a digital copy to use in the meantime
 
@Faust crap! that is a long time to be down.
 
Oh, geez, Faust, I hate to have you spend money if you're not going to be interested in it.
 
4:52 AM
@robjohn i wasn't super healthy to begin with had some stomach and medication problems before i got it. Though i ended up in the hospital cause i couldn't breath had a resting heart rate of 150 and that was after 6 days of the highest fever i ever had
@TedShifrin eh, i like basically all math except for pde's i never met one i liked.
 
LOL, Clelland does PDE using differential forms (for her research, not too much in the book).
 
@Faust I feel for you. The hospital is not a fun place to be, especially when you're sick.
 
@robjohn luckily a friend busted me out or i woulda been stuck there alot longer. They wouldn't let me out without someone at home so he had to drive like 8 hours to come get me.
 
Wow. That's a good friend.
And we're not even allowed to enter your country!
 
Yeah hes a good guy ^^ we also been best friends since we were kids.
 
4:56 AM
@Faust I still have a few friends around like that. I lost one last year to difficulties with diabetes.
 
Anyhow, @Faust, if you wanna review some of the multivariable analysis/differential forms stuff, see my videos and email me if you need part of the text.
 
@TedShifrin we are having alot of trouble keeping covid under control ourselves, opening the border would be a disaster for us its running rampant down there.
 
Oh, I don't blame the world for locking the US out, @Faust. We're total idiots here. Well, all the anti-science idiots running the place are.
 
@TedShifrin i am pretty sure i did your math 3500 course but i will go look it over again
 
OK, well, that and some of the diff geo stuff should get you back thinking again :P
If you wanted to work on some differential topology, Guillemin & Pollack has some gorgeous stuff in it.
 
4:59 AM
We will see how long it takes to get up to speed, would love to look at a research problem that might be feasibly doable.
 
@TedShifrin "don't fear covid" "vote twice" "inject bleach"
what crazies?
 
Well, I don't know about "research" problems at this level, but I have a number of challenging problems ...
@robjohn I of course have no idea to what you refer.
 
hi @TedShifrin
 
@TedShifrin good to see your head is well planted in the sand ;-)
 
What better place to plant it, @robjohn?
hi Karim
 
5:01 AM
yeah i figured i wasted a month proving something for the graceful labeling problem cause i thought it would get me the rest of the way there. Finally proved it turned out someone published the result i wanted to prove in a paper already.
 
I was also sick but now back to mathematics as well.
 
Stop with all this sick talk, everyone. My sore throat is getting worse.
 
@KarimMansour congrats!
 
Thanks @robjohn :)
 
might still take anther whack at trying to finish it as the result i proved looks useful and it was only proved rather recently.
 
5:02 AM
@TedShifrin we're talking well talk!
 
Glad you're OK, Karim. You're on your third name :P
 
I changed Adeek to my original name Karim
haha
 
@KarimMansour Algerbraic geometry eh? thats a headache.
 
Maybe it's more than three. I am a geometer; I don't count.
 
my name is Karim in real life
 
5:03 AM
Yes, I know that, of course.
 
yeah I know you know haha @Faust it is fun
@TedShifrin yeah haha I realized now doing mathematics I don't need concrete examples just visual ones and that is it.
 
Hmm, I don't agree with that statement.
 
to some extent
 
The crux of my thesis work and of several papers subsequently was computing whole families of examples.
 
that is very interesting is it online ?
 
5:07 AM
Isn't everything on line these days?
 
@TedShifrin i already have that book on diffrential topology, now ima have to try n find it.
 
very cool I will check it out
 
In my thesis (complex integral geometry), I proved a local integrated theorem (that holds for any piece of complex submanifold of $\Bbb P^n$). But constants appear, and to get the constants I had to do the algebraic geometry computations for the compact case.
@Faust: There are beautiful theorems in there (transversality and applications) that everyone should know. I also have exercise sets from teaching that course I can share with you.
 
beautiful
 
@Karim: In papers with folks at UGA, we worked with the Fermat cubic surface to get explicit examples. And in one of my crappy papers, the Whitney umbrella got worked out in excruciating detail.
Anyhow, I think examples can be hard but very illuminating.
 
5:10 AM
Yeah. I am bad with algebra examples. Though good with anything that has pictorial representations.
 
@Faust: Here's a concrete example for you. Tell what what surface you get when you intersect the unit sphere in $\Bbb R^4$ with the cone $x_1x_4=x_2x_3$. Then prove it.
 
Loring W tu is great book as well @Faust
 
(There's an analogue in $\Bbb R^6$ that is super important, too. If you've ever heard of Grassmannians.)
Loring's book is standard manifolds. Does he actually do significant differential topology stuff?
 
yeah he has two volumes
 
I thought the second volume was differential geometry and bundles. Does he do transversality theorem, intersection theory, etc.?
 
5:14 AM
no I guess that in Pollack book
 
Yeah, and Hirsch. But Hirsch is pretty tough going.
 
Yeah though has great content.
 
Guillemin, @Karim. Pollack was just the note-taker student who transcribed Guillemin's lectures.
Well, he actually was a Ph.D. student, so maybe that's unfair. But ... Guillemin should be the name that gets listed.
 
@TedShifrin I didn't know that. I am guessing you know Guillemin.
 
Yes, I took that course from him while the book was being written.
And then we were colleagues for 2 years later.
 
5:17 AM
@TedShifrin I will goto the storage locker that has most of crap in it tomorrow and see if i can find it.
 
I see where a lot of your intuition comes from I mean your videos + Guillemin's book + John Milnor + your book would be a great resources for differential topology.
 
Yes, Milnor is great, too.
 
Diffrential topology makes my head hurt
 
@Faust, don't stress out about it.
You're talking about the graduate manifolds course you took? What do you think differential topology is?
 
@TedShifrin i mean i am not entirely afraid of differential topology but i can honestly say i have no idea what they are for or why we should learn about them probally the smae goes for manifold in higher dimensions
i mean i know what it is, but at the same time i have no idea what they are for.
 
5:21 AM
Guillemin & Pollack is full of beautiful applications.
@KarimMansour I have no idea what this means.
Anyhow, take things slowly and keep healthy, @Faust. If you go back to my stuff, I can always suggest more interesting problems in there.
 
have you heard gowers is putting his combinatorics lectures on youtube?
 
I certainly haven't heard anything.
 
@skullpatrol I think I've answered questions like those.
How many regions can be formed by connecting $n$ points on a circle?
 
5:38 AM
@robjohn all the more reason for you to start a youtube channel also sir :-)
i think asaf is going to
in other news:
Oct 10 at 12:12, by skullpatrol
CS50 has 2.4 Million signed up for their October course.
 
6:01 AM
How to write mathematics?
 
Ok, thanks )
$\LaTeX$
Purrfeckkkkkt!
 
iPhone 12 doesn't comes with charger, neither earpods. Needs to buy them separately in case you are buying iPhone 12.
$$\Huge{\mathcal{\text{Will you buy iPhone 12?}}}$$
 
nope
 
6:12 AM
ok
well that was fun
 
yup
 
6:59 AM
@Leaky Kevin Buzzard seems to go off on tangents very often in his talks, is he like this in lectures too?
 
@EdwardEvans yeah
 
lol it's quite funny
says the word "canonical" and then goes on a 20 minute rant about how the word canonical is weird
and then proceeds to call every single thing in the rest of the talk canonical
 
lol
yeah, if G is an abelian group, then there are 2 canonical isomorphisms from G to itself
 
yeah right
 
so it depends on whether you use the arithmetic Frobenius or the geometric Frobenius
 
7:02 AM
yeah I just watched that hahaha
 
lol
which talk is this?
 
His course on automorphic forms and the Langlands program
 
I see
 
it'll get a bit too rich once he starts going on about local Langlands for GL_n
I only care about GL_2 atm
so I'm hoping he just describes that at some point and then I can ignore the rest of the videos
 
can't you just google that
 
7:06 AM
well I'm reading a book for a seminar about it, but I wanna see a talk from him about it because i like his lecture style
(and I have time to play with before the semester starts)
it's weird because I'll have a lecture course on lcft at the same time as doing local Langlands lol
 
yeah how much emphasis do you put on knowing the proofs for everything?
 
well I'll probably put more emphasis on proofs for the lcft course because it's a lecture course so those kinds of things will come up in exams, but for seminars I tend to be a little more informal
but I know that the proofs for both of those things are "infamous" for being ridiculously difficult so idk
 
yeah I guess I'm asking in general
should one just trust the statements?
 
If we're pretending that everything done previous to the proofs of CFT is correct then yeah we can trust them
but that's putting a lot of trust in something
like imagine if there were a gap in Galois theory that had gone unnoticed for some weird reason
 
right
 
7:13 AM
then we would all collapse into piles of dust
in any case, I tend to try and read the proofs at least twice (one skim, one read) and then blackbox things that I'm taking too long to understand
 
lol thank goodness
done in 2007
I'm taking p-adic Hodge theory this semester too, but I haven't the slightest idea of what I'll learn there
 
good luck
 
except some comparison of cohomology groups maybe
but like 4 of the books on the reading list don'T mention anything about cohomology (specifically étale and algebraic de Rham), which is good because i haven't the slightest idea what either of those are
 
 
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8:39 AM
let's say b is between a and c and line ab=m line bc is=n
why is position of b=(mc+na)/(m+n)?
let's say b is between a and c and line ab=m line bc is=n
why is position of b=(mc+na)/(m+n)?
 
9:09 AM
ok its just a ratio
 
9:59 AM
@Leaky second tangential "canonical" rant in just 2 lectures
 
@EdwardEvans lmao
are you studying PhD?
 
3rd Semester master's
I'm taking longer than usual to do it though, so I have the advantage of having more time to assimilate knowledge
omg it's the beginning of the 3rd lecture I've watched today and he's already going on about canonical again hahaha
 
lol
 
10:18 AM
@LeakyNun does he always dress with flashy colours? He had amazing outfits when he came to a workshop in Bonn last year
 
@AlessandroCodenotti yeah
 
He also enjoys doing mathematics in the bath, according to a docu-film commissioned by the london mathematical society
weird fact
 
10:52 AM
math bath
 
Bathematics
 
Mathory
 
... buorthon?
 
always thought Betal is kinda metal
 
11:09 AM
What's an example of a ring A such that Spec A is connected and reducible ?
 
@Astyx take two lines and intersect them at the origin
i.e. $\Bbb C[x,y]/(xy)$
then each line is irreducible
 
Oh ok
 
and they're connected at the origin
 
Cheers
 
I have homework but I dont want to do them
What do I do
 
11:15 AM
play chess
 
too hard man, i have forgotten chess
not that i ever knew
 
Are you playing on lichess ?
 
yeah
@Astyx wanna play?
 
Right now I'm quite busy, and I also haven't played in a while
But another time why not
Are you ranked ?
 
I don't have any official rating
 
11:17 AM
No lichess rating ?
 
1793 classical, 1539 blitz, 1688 bullet
 
Huh you're better thanme by quite a margin
 
you have a lichess account?
 
I got ~1500 on classical, haven't been playing much else
Yeah
 
11:21 AM
After playing Leaky a few times, I also know he's quite a bit better than me, too
 
done
 
followed
 
@LeakyNun how is your bullet so much higher than blitz
 
no clue at all
maybe it's because I play bullet more often
 
If anyone wants to play a few games I'm getting bored at the airport by the way
 
11:27 AM
unfortunately I cannot play now
 
You're traveling during the pandemic?
 
Maybe next time then
Yes, that's the third time since the pandemic started, I'm travelling between countries (Germany and Italy) between which there are currently no restrictions
 
Are those countries experiencing a second wave?
 
Since the situation keeps changing I might need to get tested on arrival when I return to Germany, but that's not clear
Cases are rising in both countries (as they are pretty much anywhere in Europe), but nobody knows how bad it'll get or what measures will need to be implemented to contain it
 
France will probably go back into lockdown at some point
 
11:33 AM
The second wave is infecting a lot more younger people.
 
@Astyx it's unclear in Italy whether another hard lockdown will be needed, but I think they'll keep that as a last resource because of public outrage and whatnot
Germany never really went into a lockdown so I guess they'll only keep restricting opening hours of places and numbers of people that can meet in the more affected regions as they have been doing so far
 
Without a vaccine a third wave could be upon us before Christmas.
 
third wave covidism
 
I think the time between waves gets shorter also.
A Covid Tsunami.
rip
 
I started reading Stephen King; seems good
 
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