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@MatheinBoulomenos That is how you would show that homotopy classes of maps correspond to bundles indeed, using the defining property of EG and some obstruction theory
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Q: $ y = \int_1^{\infty} \frac{li(x)^2 (x - 1)}{x^4} dx $

mickConsider $$ y = \int_1^{\infty} \frac{li(x)^2 (x - 1)}{x^4} dx $$ Is there a closed form for y ? It appears that a good approximation is $ 10 \cdot Ci (\frac{56}{19})$. —- If there is No closed form would it help to allow the function $$ t(x) = \int_1^x li(t)^2 dt $$ ??

@LeakyNun So you mean that saying "the completion of the algebraic closure of the completion at a nonarchimedean valuation of the localization at the zero ideal of the initial object in the category of modules over the free ablian group of rank 1 with the unique ring structure is $\Bbb C_p$" is difficult to comprehend?
right :P
@MikeMiller I see. I wonder if there's some analogy that can be made between topological obstruction theory and $\operatorname{Ext}$ groups in homological algebra, since they also give you obstructions for the existence of sections
Is there obstruction theory in model categories?
(if relevant) There is obstruction theory in deformation theory in AG and Ext shows up there
00:09
@loch ah, interesting!
I dunno, maybe. There are cell complexes in model categories
I like how "Postnikov towers" for chain complexes are really obvious: you just cut off the chain complex at some point
@loch if you're interested, consider $f = (1+X)^3-1 \in \Bbb Z_3[X]$. Then, its Lubin-Tate group is $\Bbb G_m = X+Y+XY = (1+X)(1+Y)-1$. Then, since $[x+y]_f = [x]_f +_f [y]_f = (1+[x]_f)(1+[y]_f)-1$, you get $[n]_f = (1+X)^n-1$ for all $n \in \Bbb Z_3$, including things like $n=\frac12 \in \Bbb Z_3$
hi @KasmirKhaan
@loch Then, $f_m = (1+X)^{3^m}-1$ and its roots are quite nice
and then there is a canonical isomorphism $\operatorname{Gal}(\Bbb Q_3(f_m=0)/\Bbb Q_3) \cong \Bbb Z_3/3^m\Bbb Z_3$
@LeakyNun I think it's really suprising that those roots of polynomials you define in Lubin-Tate theory are modules over the rings of integers
Hey @Ted
the backward direction sending $u + 3^m \Bbb Z_3$ to $\alpha \mapsto [u](\alpha)$
00:16
Hi, @Mathein
hi @Ted
and @Leaky
hail Lubin and Tate
@MatheinBoulomenos what is a module?
@TedShifrin is the Jacobian of a compact Riemann surface like the Hilbert class field
2% chance he can say whether anything is like the Hilbert class field imo
00:17
I have no idea, @Mathein. The Jacobian is the abelian variety you get by taking integrals of holomorphic $1$-forms, mod periods.
(0% chance I can)
Officially, $H^0(X,\Omega^1)^*/\Lambda$.
No, 0% for me, Mike.
did I see $H^0$ coming from Ted
@LeakyNun those sets of torsion points $\mu_{f,m}$ are modules. See Prop 4.4 in Yoshida
Leaky: I was a complex geometer. I did all sorts of sheaves and sheaf cohomologies.
00:19
@TedShifrin the reason I asked this is because there seems to be an exact sequence $0 \to \Bbb C^\times \to \mathcal{M}^*(X) \to \operatorname{Div}_0(X) \to \operatorname{Jac}(X) \to 0$
That looks reasonable, yes. The mapping is to integrate along divisor (degree $0$ means you can write it as a sum of $\int_{P_i}^{P_j}$.
@LeakyNun maybe you can tell me about this when you see me in person lol
And this looks a lot like the exact sequence
$ 1 \to (\mathcal{O}_K)^\times \to K^\times \to \operatorname{I}(K) \to \operatorname{Gal}(L/K) \to 1$ where $L$ is the Hilbert class field of the number field $K$ and $I(K)$ is the group of fractional ideals of $K$
@loch ok
I have no idea, @Mathein. It's a fundamental construction in (complex) algebraic geometry to look at the Jacobian ... and there are all sorts of higher-dimensional analogues.
00:22
@TedShifrin Artin reciprocity tells us that the class group is isomorphic to the Galois group of the maximally unramified abelian extension (that's just the non-obvious part of the exact sequence above), so geometrically speaking, we have a strong relation between line bundles and unramified abelian coverings. Is there something like that for Riemann surfaces?
Coverings sound like you should have flat line bundles.
Representations of $\pi_1$.
So those would be the line bundles with chern class $0$. So those are the line bundles corresponding to divisors of degree $0$. So it seems to connect.
That's usually called $\text{Pic}^0$ (the Picard variety). But for curves, yeah, it ties into the Jacobian.
P.S. I'm rusty.
Remember, I'm 3 years retired. :P
can we say something about the fundamental group of the Jacobian (or the Picard variety)? (which should correspond to the Galois group of the Hilbert class field)
It's a $g$-dimensional complex torus. So $\pi_1 = \Bbb Z^{2g}$.
What does "The map g be geometrically interpreted as the stereographic projection of the Gauss map" mean? link: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2808341/…
It means you take the Gauss map to $S^2$ and then stereographically project to $\Bbb C$.
I bet you're doing Weierstrass form for minimal surfaces. :P
00:33
@TedShifrin thanks. It definitely feels like there is some connection, but I have to learn more complex geometry to make it precise
Well, @Mathein, I don't know the non-complex stuff to help.
you know class groups, right? it's just the Picard group of $\operatorname{Spec}(\mathcal O_K)$
LOL, only know them to wave at politely in a cocktail party.
There were all sorts of classic problems @Mathein to recover the curve from the Jacobian, for example.
it's just sheaf cohomology if you want: $H^1(\operatorname{Spec}(\mathcal{O}_K), \mathcal{O}_K^\times)$
smacks Mathein
00:37
I don't really understand that smack
LOL ... it didn't help. I know what Picard groups are. I just can't deal with that setting.
these Jacobians of Riemann surfaces are really important in number theory
you can show that $J(X)$ is an algebraic group defined over $\overline{\Bbb Q}$
Yes, I know that from colloquium talks. Just not from personal experience.
that's one step in going from a modular form to a Galois representation
@TedShifrin so if we have the full modular group, then $\Gamma(1) \backslash \Bbb H$ classifies complex tori. What if we take $\Gamma(N) \backslash \Bbb H$? Does this also classify something?
Probably modular structures of weight $N$, but I don't remember this stuff.
I am a coauthor of a paper with this in it, but that was too long ago and I'm too stooopid now.
00:48
@TedShifrin so what if we take $H \subset \Gamma(1)$ such that $\Gamma(1)/N$ is the monster group, then does $H \backslash \Bbb{H}$ classify something?
Don't ask me.
Lol the monster group
I was just joking. I was expecting to get smacked
Oh, now you haßt Smacks gern!
00:51
Some weird facts: For each prime $p$, look at the normalizer of $N$ of $\Gamma_0(p)$, then the compactified quotient of the upper half plane by that has genus 0 iff p divides the order of the monster group
Henlo
hi @Daminark
hi Demonark
Henlo @Daminark
Funny how my name Demonark hasn't caught on. I guess cuz you can't ping it.
00:54
hi, could someone please help here math.stackexchange.com/questions/2806898/… ?
Also I doubt many chatizens would stand behind this pure slander. Suggesting I'm a demon...
wait wtf @MatheinBoulomenos
It's about optimization
@TedShifrin have you used étale cohomology in your research or is it useless over $\Bbb C$ because it's just the same as singular cohomology?
@MatheinBoulomenos Lemma 4.6
I don't even know what to say
00:55
No, I never have. It only shows up when you do Zariski topology stuff.
the extension doesn't depend on the polynomial
the Lubin-Tate extensions
@LeakyNun yes
only depend on the degree of the polynomial :o
what the hell
this is good true to be
too goo to be true
tood goo true be
too good to be true
i'm in shock
@LeakyNun yes this Lubin-Tate stuff definitely feels too good to be true, I agree
what the actual
then I can construct it using $(1+X)^{p^m}-1$
taking a limit of the fields produced
00:57
@user441848: So you want limiting chord directions in that region. You should get everything in the first two quadrants.
over $\Bbb Q_p$, yeah
what the
Oh, and @user441848, you have a typo in there.
$p$ doesn't have to be a uniformizer when your base field is ramified over $\Bbb Q_p$
but we're working in an unramified extension
so we're good
00:58
@TedShifrin what?
no, I mean $K$ not $L$
@user441848: You should get all directions $(\cos\theta,\sin\theta)$, with $\theta\in [0,\pi]$.
it doesn't hurt to have $K = \Bbb Q_p$ does it
$K$ may be ramified over $\Bbb Q_p$ (assuming you're in characteristic $0$)
do we need that generality?
01:02
@TedShifrin Ted I have no idea what you writting about, could you explain wiht more details, I'm newbie
Do you know what your own question is asking, @user441848?
@LeakyNun depends on what you mean by "need", but it doesn't really make the arguments more difficult
@MatheinBoulomenos I'm very confused by all those $f_m = f^{\varphi^{m-1}} \circ \cdots \circ f^\varphi \circ f$
and LCFT, even explicitly, was known for $\Bbb Q_p$ prior to Lubin-Tate
oh?
how was it done?
01:05
you can prove local Kronecker-Weber for $\Bbb Q_p$ using relatively elementary arguments
@TedShifrin yes, I have to find $d\in\mathbb R^2$ such that satisfies the limit. However I don't see it geometrically. I'v learned about feasible and attainable directions, and I know how the 'look like' geometrically.'
and when you know the maximal abelian extension, you can construct the Artin map explicitly
@MatheinBoulomenos so what is LT for?
@LeakyNun it works for larger base fields and also for function fields
You're asking for limiting directions from $\bar x = (0,0)$ to points in the set as the points approach $\bar x$.
01:06
@TedShifrin could you tell me first what the exercise ask for geometrically?
Note the tangent line to $y=-x^3$ at $(0,0)$.
I just did.
@MatheinBoulomenos formal groups are still Deus Ex Machina
@LeakyNun yes, because Tate is a god
hail Tate
I haven't done an advanced number theory course where he wasn't mentioned at some important points
01:08
That sounds right.
@user441848: So draw rays from the origin to points in that region, make the points approach the origin, and what directions can you get as limits?
attainable?
0?
idk
Directions ... I'm saying you can get anything in the direction $(\cos\theta,\sin\theta)$ for $\theta\in [0,\pi]$. Draw pictures.
A friend of mine met Tate once. I'm jealous
maybe he should've asked him what's the deal with formal groups
i feel like all of them are standing on the shoulder of giants
and then we have a huge tower of giants
yeah, Tate definitely was standing on the shoulders of giants. His teacher was Emil Artin
01:16
@TedShifrin ok, and then what do I do?
I met Tate, too, but I know the son of Artin very well. I took 4 courses from him and then was a colleague.
@user441848: Can you see you get all directions from horizontal to up?
no
sorry, I don't why I don't get it
and you know what's the worst, I have an exam tomorrow
Well, I can't help that.
Have you shaded in the region $y\ge -x^3$. Draw the tangent line to $y=-x^3$ at the origin. Why do you get all directions at that line and above, and nothing else?
01:41
Hi @MikeMiller
Is this classifying space stuff in May's "A concise course" or do I have to look in more specialized books like Husemoller "Fiber Bundles"?
I dunno. It will be covered in precisely the same location someone talks about characteristic classes
I think it unwise to keep a list of things you have to learn (and the corresponding references) and better to just go wild on something that sounds interesting, and go to other references when you get stuck
I see
thanks for the advice
Sure, it usually comes unsolicited :)
02:01
@MatheinBoulomenos I feel like Lemma 3.4 should have a name
it's too important
like Hensel's lemma
does it imply Hensel's lemma?
@LeakyNun it's called the existence and uniqueness of the Lubin-Tate formal group law :)
I don't think it implies Hensel's lemma
This room has turned into algebra room
we're doing number theory
Algebra, you say
@MatheinBoulomenos $W_K = \{ \sigma \in \operatorname{Gal}(\overline K / K) ~:~ \sigma|_{K^{ur}} = \varphi^j \}$?
then why that complicated definition involving Neukirch 9.4 >.>
it's the same thing and it's not complicated to see that
for Galois groups, it doesn't make a difference if you restrict to the unramified extension or reduce to the residue field
you need Neukirch 9.4 to even show that you have a Frobenius $\varphi$
Zee
Zee
@NicholasRoberts
You like this nonsense
@MatheinBoulomenos can't you construct $\varphi$ by hand?
02:21
@MatheinBoulomenos I can't understand the proof of Prop 4.7, where it says "it is bijective because ..."
@LeakyNun it's an application of the 5-lemma basically
@MatheinBoulomenos :o
heilige hoelle
could you enlighten me?
you have a short exact sequence $1 \to \operatorname{Gal}(\widehat{K}_f^m/\widehat{K}) \to W(\widehat{K}_f^m/K) \to W(\widehat{K}/K) \to 1$ and another SES $1 \to \mathcal{O}^\times / (1+\mathfrak{p}^k) \to K^\times/(1+\mathfrak{p}^k) \to K^\times/ \mathcal{O}^\times \to 1$ and you have comptabile maps between those sequences where you know that the maps on the left and on the right are isomorphisms
@LeakyNun I need to sleep now, I'll help you more with Lubin-Tate stuff another day
02:35
vielen Dank
02:48
Let I and J be bounded intervals (I \subset J), let f : I -> R be a Riemann-Stiltjes integrable function on I and let F: J -> R be the function F(x) := f(x) if (x \in I) and
F(x) := 0 if x \in J\I
@Zee you here?
blarg
Does $\alpha$ have to be a continuous function for this to be true? $\int_{J} F d\alpha = \int_{I} f d\alpha$
It doesn't, right?
 
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04:12
Does this holds $(-d_2/d_1^3)=-\lambda^2$ or is it false? , where $\lambda\in(0,\delta)$ and $d_1,d_2\in\mathbb R^2?$
I think it's true, can be true.
04:37
I want to say "$h(x)$ is continuous, and hence by algebaric limit theorem, $h(2^nx)$ is continuous" in mathematical logic symbols. I am not able to figure out how to write $h(x)$ is continuous. The expression template I have is $(h(x):continuous)\rightarrow((h(2^nx):continuous)$
05:26
why not just write "$h(x) \text{ is continuous }$"
are all BOUNDED continuous functions on the OPEN interval (like (3,5)) Riemann-Stieltjes integrable?
I know why this can possibly break because in my proof there is one property used from the Riemann integral which breaks down in the Riemann-Stiltjess case HOWEVER I did not use this property I used its version for the piece-constant fucntions fro which it does not break down!
 
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Q: $ y = \int_1^{\infty} \frac{\operatorname{li}(x)^2 (x - 1)}{x^4} dx $

mickConsider $$ y = \int_1^{\infty} \frac{\operatorname{li}(x)^2 (x - 1)}{x^4} dx, $$ where $\operatorname{li}(x)$ is the logarithmic integral. Is there a closed form for y ? It appears that a good approximation is $ 10 \cdot \operatorname{Ci}\bigl( \frac{56}{19}\bigr)$, where $\operatorname{Ci}(x)...

 
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08:41
You'll find that the modular curve $X_0(N) = \Gamma_0(N) \backslash \mathbb{H}$ classifies elliptic curves with a cyclic subgroup of order $N$, $X_1(N) = \Gamma_1(N) \backslash \mathbb{H}$ classifies elliptic curves with an $N$-torsion point, and $X(N) = \Gamma(N) \backslash \mathbb{H}$ classifies elliptic curves $E$ with a basis $P,Q$ for $E[N]$ such that their Weil pairing is equal to $-1$ (although I'm not very sure how to view the Weil pairing).

Actually it's just Theorem 5.2.5 in https://wstein.org/books/ribet-stein/main.pdf.
08:51
Using this language, Mazur's theorem on the classification of torsion groups for elliptic curves over $\mathbb{Q}$ becomes a question of asking the existence of $\mathbb{Q}$-rational points on these curves (for various $N$) (although I'm not sure how this language is related to the proof)
09:16
Also you can view modular forms are sections of certain line bundles over your modular curves.
 
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Q: $ y = \int_1^{\infty} \frac{\operatorname{li}(x)^2 (x - 1)}{x^4} dx $

mickConsider $$ y = \int_1^{\infty} \frac{\operatorname{li}(x)^2 (x - 1)}{x^4} dx, $$ where $\operatorname{li}(x)$ is the logarithmic integral. Is there a closed form for y ? It appears that a good approximation is $ 10 \cdot \operatorname{Ci}\bigl( \frac{56}{19}\bigr)$, where $\operatorname{Ci}(x)...

11:19
@loch you coming?
@LeakyNun im in the library right now - i can come and chill for a while
Hello!! Does someone of you have an idea about my question: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2808761/… ?
11:42
@loch ?
Hello, does anyone have a reference for the fact that the stereographic projection (in higher dimensions) maps circles that don't go through the north pole N to circles and maps circles that go through N to straight lines ? I already know the proof in lower dimension but I cannot generalize the proof.
@LeakyNun I'll come at 1:15 - will you still be there?
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Q: Does the existence of a mathematical object imply that it is possible to construct the object?

KasperIn mathematics the existence of a mathematical object is often proved by contradiction without showing how to construct the object. I’m wondering, does the existence of the object imply that it is at least possible to construct the object? Or are there mathematical object that do exist but are i...

@loch yes
@Kasper this is actually a good question
but eh it might be too broad
Should I rephrase it so that it only asks the question in the title?
11:56
no, you should make it less broad, as in what do you mean by construct
there’s an answer involving constructible polygons, which is clearly not what you want
Maybe3 Does the existence of a mathematical object imply that it is possible to give a constructive proof for the existence of this object?
and then once you made your question more specific, I suspect the answer would be to read about constructivism and the axiom of choice and all that
an example would be the fact that every nonzero commutative ring has a maximal ideal, but this is proved using Zorn’s lemma, so this is not constructive
So if I interpret you correctly, there are examples of existence proofs, which are impossible to give by a constructive proof. In other words, there are objects that mathematically exist which are impossible to construct using a constructive proof?
@Kasper sure
there are objects that depend on the axiom of choice
nothing is absolute
everything depends on your axioms
Interesting.
12:08
mathematical objects are human constructs
@LeakyNun can you let me in?
I didnt study the axiom of choice yet, I did study the axiom of infinity. In some way I guess that this infinite set, that exists by axiom, is also impossible to construct. If not, we wouldnt need the axiom, but could give a constructive proof.
12:57
@Kasper sure
that particular infinite set is constructible Kasper, and is sometimes identified with the set of natural numbers
if you identify $0 = \varnothing$ then it satisfies Peano's axioms
but you need the existence of infinitely many things and the idea of recursion, so , yeah
13:42
Can anyone say why f(1)=2 and f(2)=3 in the third answer of this question ?
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Q: If $f:N→N$ such that $f(f(x))=3x$, then find $f(2013)$

sourishIf $f:N→N$ such that $f(f(x))=3x$, then what is the value of $f(2013)$?

@GFauxPas exactly
14:00
@Kasper if you do use it to define $\mathbb N$, then it's natural (badum psht) to start at $0$, because why start at $\varnothing^+$ when you can start at $\varnothing$?
@GFauxPas but the point is you don't have an infinite set to start with
it does not correspond to any real-life object
if you believe that $0$ or $1$ exists, and you believe that every natural number has a "next" number, then it exists
it'
in PA you definitely have 0 and 1, and every natural number has a next number, but you don't have the set of all natural numbers in PA
PA is a first order logic
it's just axiomatizing the idea, but I think everyone agrees that the existence of countable things implies the idea that you can assign things a number of how many of them there are
blah blah blah
:P
whatever
14:04
I'm saying intuition, not a proof
I hear what you're saying but I'm just saying that
it corresponds to the "real" idea that "there are infinitely many natural numbers"
Zermelo refers to sets "$A,B,C,\ldots$ when talking about AoC. I wonder if he only used the AoC on a set of sets containing at most 26 elements
theorem: every set of cardinality up to 26 admits a well-ordering
14:21
[Deus Ex Machina Lemma] Let $K$ be a local field ($\mathcal O$, $\mathfrak p$, $\Bbb F_q$) and $L$ be a complete unramified extension of $K$. Let $\varphi \in \operatorname{Gal}(L/K)$ such that $\varphi$ restricts to the arithmetic Frobenius $\pmod {\mathfrak p}$.
Suppose $\pi$ is a uniformiser of $L$, and $f \in \mathcal O_L[[X]]$ satisfies $f \equiv \pi X \pmod {X^2}$ and $f \equiv X^q \pmod {\mathfrak p}$. Let $(\pi', f')$ be another such pair.
Then, for any $\theta_1 \cdots \theta_t \in \mathcal O_L$ such that $\varphi(\theta_i)/\theta_i = \pi'/\pi$, there is a unique $F \in \mathcal O
my goodness
someone here knows c++ in a good level and have a few minutes to help me with some weird bug?
I dont know if there is someone here Liad but there's a chat in stack overflow specifically for C++
or at least there was
here you go
@GFauxPas thanks!
14:31
Hi @AlessandroCodenotti
Is the above Lemma relevant to you?
you're studying ANT i heard
I don't know what a local field is
> Which leads me to another remark. Historians of science often seem to write about their subject as if scientific progress were a necessary sociological development. But as far as I can see it is largely driven by enthusiasm, and characterized largely by randomness.
lol Tarski has a quote like that, let me find it
14:40
I solved Langley’s Adventitious Angles in a quick fashion. Check out this video - youtu.be/Uuqqe9ewNnA . Please tell me why this happened to be right. By the way, I know the video is bad.
And, finally, the book is not concerned with any problems belonging to
the so-called logic and methodology of empirical sciences. I must say that
I am inclined to doubt whether any special "logic of empirical sciences", as
opposed to logic in general, or, to the "logic of deductive sciences", exists at
all
Tarski was a loco
how so
15:02
Hollaaaa
SUP anakin
>anakin
I did say you could call me anything. :P
I don't remember you saying that, I was just making a joke
Heh. It's fine.
I am hungry, so I need to get food soon. But hi. How are you?
people referred to my bio professor in high school by both her last name and first name and I asked her what I should call her
she said I could call her anything I want
"really? anything?" "sure"
so I sometimes called her "Starkiller" which is from a Star Wars novel
and other students also sometimes called her that lol
15:05
Heh.
Cute.
i've been spending way too much time on my measure theory book's "optional" section on choice and transfinite induction
but it's so interesting
im also finding on google that there was a lot of drama associated with it
because people didn't like Zermelo's proof of the well ordering theorem because the concept really bothered them
but the only thing "wrong" in his proof was his assumption that the cartesian product of nonempty sets is non empty, or some equivalent formulation
@anakhronizein \o
15:21
Hi @BalarkaSen
What's up?
The sky
Hi @BalarkaSen
There's an ANT man waiting in the sky
:D
Hey @AlessandroCodenotti
15:28
He'd like to ramify primes but he thinks he'd blowup our minds
Isn't blowup a geometric thing?
There's a totally obscene definition using projective schemes
proj construction of the symmetric algebra of the algebraic tangent space
or some bullshit like that
I thought more about number fields and Riemann surfaces and I figured out how you can recover a compact Riemann surface from its field of meromorphic functions, but only as a set. I don't understand how you get the topology or the complex structure, though. I have a vague idea, but I don't know if it works
...9954784512519836425781248 * ...9954784512519836425781250 = 0
Please stop showing off your 10-adic multiplication skillz
It's making me have a PTSD
15:33
@Secret pls proofread the thing you helped me with yesterday tia ilu proofwiki.org/wiki/User:GFauxPas/Sandbox
If the construction I have in mind actually works, that should be the inverse of the functor from compact Riemann surfaces to finitely generated field extensions of $\Bbb C$ of transcendence degree $1$
or anyone else here that wants to read it
@BalarkaSen are you interested?
@GFauxPas Theorem 2.8, Set Theory, by Thomas Jech
technically when you're blowing up a sheaf of ideals (read this as closed subscheme) then the blow up is taking the relative proj of the rees algebra of the ideal.

but it's not that bad once you unravel definitions, and does give you the classical description in the classical case (i.e. blowing up a point in a plane etc.) :p
15:35
also, you should state in the proposition that exactly one of the three scenarios happen @GFauxPas
@MatheinBoulomenos Only theoretically. I don't think I'll be able to follow through your construction. You should write it out in the garbological room as a general essay though, so other people who are more interested can read it
If I get inspired I'll have a look later on
@GFauxPas oh, and you don't need Zorn
@LeakyNun I didn't want to say that because sometimes the entire of an ordered set is thought of as a chain in its own right, and other times it isn't
@BalarkaSen it's not hard (and I can't actually show that it's an inverse or that I even get a complex manifold from the construction)
We have an alphabet and we randomly choose letters indefinitely. What is the probability that a given text will appear infinitely many times?
15:36
I don't have that book. And how would I do it without Zorn?
there's still something missing
Suppose it is 1
Ah I wasn't speaking of difficulty, I am just not in algebra mode at this moment (and probably wouldn't be for a while)
It's about poles and zeroes :)
I get it, but I really do not think I have the energy to follow what you'd say
Not at this moment at any rate
In any case, do write it out in full somewhere so I can refer back to it in future
15:40
@MatheinBoulomenos the algebro-geometric side of the story is that curves over $k$ are equivalent to transcendental extensions of $k$ of degree $1$, and probably you want to take the analyticification of the curves to make them riemann surfaces?
@loch I don't have to pass through alg geo for the construction
but maybe that's how I can get the toplogy
that's the only piece I'm still missing
if I have the toplogy, I can also write down the sheaf of holomorphic functios which determines the complex structure
The median of daily problems is 2,47. I want to use the poisson distribution to calculate the number of days with exactly 6 problems.

With $\lambda=2,47$ and $k=6$ we can calculate that the probability that we have 6 problems is equal to 0,0266.

But how can we calculate the number of days?
hmm
@GFauxPas You mean $\mathcal{F}$ is not necessary well ordered?
I have to prove it's well-ordered, no?
and that each chain has a maximal element
I created $\mathcal F$ for the proof, it's not mentioned in the hypotheses of the theorem
15:48
@loch wait, I think I can reconstruct the Zariski topology, so I probably have to pass through analytification after all
@GFauxPas sorry for the late reply
ping me next time
you already have a well-ordering, so you shouldn't use Zorn
but the well ordering I have doesn't have that subset has a maximal element
and what's 2.7
how do we know $f \ne \varnothing$
hmmmmmmmmmmm
he doesn't show $f$ exists? @LeakyNun
what?
why do we need to know if $f \ne \varnothing$?
hi @Mr.Xcoder
hi @LeakyNun (I'm wondering, have u seen my comment with .*=>F?)
we want $f$ to be order preserving
15:57
@Mr.Xcoder just saw it
@GFauxPas the empty function is order-preserving
and is the only order-preserving isomorphism between the empty well-ordering and itself
"$W_1(x)$ is order isomorphic to $W_2(y)$" seems circular to me, I have to think about it
@GFauxPas it isn't circular
I'm not saying it's wrong im saying i have to think about it
cabn you show lemma 2..7?
"no well-ordered set is isomorphic to an initial segment of itself"
I'm sure you can prove this
16:14
I'm googling to see if people explicitly discuss the use of zorn's lemma here
i found another statement of the proof that uses zorns lemma, and another statement of your proof that does not
maybe it's a matter of convention whether the empty set is ordered
"Note that in lots of places the empty set is not a partially ordered set. If you are not going to deal with ordinals, then it is sometimes better to just go with it. "
go with what -_-
but a convention shouldn't determine whether the whole proof works so I dont believe that's the difference Jech's proof and Folland's Proof
16:45
@loch Thanks a lot
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