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12:00 AM
The program is still kinda a mess, but the proposal has done a week ago
 
12:31 AM
Working on this one now:
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Q: Prove that the splitting field is not an algebraic closure

ALannisterLet $n > 0$ be some integer and let $G$ be a splitting field of the set of all polynomials of degree at most $n$ over a field $F$. I need to prove that $G$ is not an algebraic closure of $F$ in the following two cases: $F = \mathbb{Q}$ $F = \mathbb{Z}_{p}$ for prime $p$ (NOT the $p$-adic number...

 
12:46 AM
in The h Bar, 4 hours ago, by Mithrandir24601
How would mathematicians view the Bible if one of the chapters started with 'In the beginning, there was logic'?
 
Actually, I think one of them does. The Greek word "logos" where the English word "logic" comes from is how Jesus is described in the beginning of the Gospel according to John, which was originally written in Greek.
It could be translated as "In the beginning, there was logic."
But, personally, I don't think that would really change anybody's mind about it.
 
1:04 AM
@Secret I think it doesn't make any difference to me, because that's just one line in an entire book, which can be interpreted in so many ways.
 
If I wanted to prove that $G$ that I mention above is not an algebraic closure of $\mathbb{Q}$, somebody said I should find a polynomial of degree $>n$ that does not split over $G$. I'm still having so much trouble wit hthis, though! How do I come up with such a polynomial?
How do I do that when I don't even know what $G$ is?
 
1:29 AM
@anon sorry about all the clarifications I keep asking
Is there any relationship between $n,p,$ and $m$?
 
p>n
if F is infinite, there should be infinitely many things of degree <=n, which means X is infinite and so m (the number of things taken out of X to make a particular rational expression) can be arbitrarily large
 
So, in the case where $F = \mathbb{Q}$, it's infinite. But when $F = \mathbb{Z}_{p}$, it's not.
I also don't like your notation for towers.
I'll have to translate
 
my notation is perfect
$m$ doesn't really matter, the whole idea is "there's a bunch of things from $X$ being used to make a rational expression"
since those are the elements of F(X)
 
I'm sure it is. I just prefer $[K:L]$ rather than $K/L$. (Are those the same thing?)
 
[K:L] is a number, K/L is a field extension
also it's conventional to make L a bigger field than K, because of positioning in the alphabet
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1:34 AM
Interesting.
Although that's not what you did.
 
what is not what I did?
 
$F(x_{1},x_{2},\cdots , x_{m})$ is a bigger field than $F$
 
yes. so what is not what I did?
I never used the letter L for a field in my answer
 
You wrote the bigger field/smaller field
 
yes, that's how the slash works
 
1:36 AM
when you said it's convention to make it smaller field/bigger field
 
no, I didn't
 
I just put it on the star board
@anon here
 
yes, I know what I said. nowhere did I say people write (small field)/(big field). you are misinterpreting my comment.
when people choose which letters to use for which fields, they choose the letter L for a bigger field than the one they choose K for
that's the convention you broke when you wrote K/L (since that notation implies K is a bigger field than L)
 
No, what I am saying is that you wrote $F(x_{1},x_{2}, \cdots , x_{m})/F(x_{1},x_{2}, \cdots, x_{m-1})/ \cdots / F(x_{1}) / F$
But $F(x_{1},x_{2},\cdots , x_{m})$ is a bigger field than $F$
 
why do you say "But" it's a bigger field? It's supposed to be (big field)/(small field).
 
1:40 AM
I understand now. L/K
I don't know why I was having such a hard time following you
 
because there were two interpretations of my comment and I didn't correct your interpretation in time
 
I am not going to lie to you, though. I still do not understand your answer. Hopefully, I come to.
 
which part?
 
The last part, where you start with "Now suppose $p>n$ is prime..."
 
the idea is we want to show G doesn't have an element of degree p>n
i.e. there is no g in G such that [F(g):F]=p
 
1:43 AM
One of the people who commented told me to find a polynomial of degree $>n$ over $\mathbb{Q}$, at least for part 1. of the question that is irreducible in $\mathbb{Q}$.
 
yes, to show there is an element of degree p, so we know G must be missing that element
 
Well, it says that $G$ is a splitting field of the set of all polynomials of degree at most $n$, so I'd say it is missing it.
 
G contains elements of degree more than n, even though it is generated by elements of degree at most n
 
Ooooh.
 
for example if n=2 then G contains sqrt(2)+sqrt(3), which has degree 4
 
1:47 AM
Then, when we do show that $G$ contains no element of such degree, then we have shown that it is not algebraically closed?
 
as long as we know the algebraic closure itself has such an element that G is missing, yeah
 
Well, the algebraic closure is supposed to contain all polynomials
 
all the roots
in order for the algebraic closure to have an element of order p>n, there must exist an irreducible polynomial of degree p
 
So, how do we know the algebraic closure itself has such an element that $G$ is missing?
Oh.
 
exhibit an irreducible polynomial of degree p, using Eisenstein's in the case of Q
in the case of F_p use the classification of finite fields
I should use a different letter for the prime q>n to avoid confusion with F_p I suppose
 
1:52 AM
I was trying to do that. I need a polynomial $a_{p}x^{p} + a_{p-1}x^{p-1}+ \cdots a_{1}x + a_{0}$ where $p|a_{p-1}$, $\cdots\, p|a_{1}, \, p|a_{0}$ but $p$ does not divide $a_{p}$ and $p^{2}$ does not divide $a_{0}$.
But how do I find one?
 
make one.
 
But I don't know what $p$ or $n$ is
 
doesn't matter
p is p
quick, what's a number divisible by p that makes for a good coefficient?
quick
 
$2p$?
 
a really good coefficient for a polynomial is 0
(I'm talking about the middle terms)
(the leading term might as well be 1)
and 0 is divisible by p
 
1:54 AM
okay, so monic
 
now what about the last term. what's something obviously divisible by p but not p^2?
 
$x^{p}-p$
How bout that?
 
sure. it doesn't even have to be the same prime, could be $x^q-\ell$ (since the prime $\ell$ is irrelevant and $q>n$ can be different from $p$ in the $\Bbb F_p$ part of the problem)
 
So, first do a degree argument to show that $G$ does not contain an element of degree $p$.
 
let's call it q>n
 
1:58 AM
What?
 
let's avoid the letter p until we get to the second part of the problem
that way we won't be using the letter p for two different things between the two parts
 
Well, I wasn't planning on asking you about the second part of the problem just yet
Fine.
 
still
 
$x^{q}-l$ it is
Although $l$ needs to be divisible by $q$ and it kind of can't be if it's a different prime
 
no
 
2:00 AM
Eisenstein
 
the criterion doesn't say the degree must be divisible by the prime used does it?
 
Nevermind. you're right
Okay, so recap.
First, show that $G$ does not contain an element of degree $q$?
 
q
yes
 
Then, exhibit such an element of degree $q$ that is irreducible in $\mathbb{Q}$
 
elements aren't irreducible, polynomials can be
just say element of degree q over Q
but yes
 
2:04 AM
And then I will have shown that $G$ cannot be an algebraic closure of $Q$ because said polynomial does not split there.
 
the minpoly of the elt of degree q, yeah
 
What is an elt?
 
element
 
Okay.
Reminded me of the "Two Yoots" scene from My Cousin Vinny.
 
2:31 AM
Blarg
3
 
2:44 AM
Thunder & lightning outsisde
 
As long as there's no rain I'm alright
 
Made of sugar?
 
[Random]
$$\sum_{x}f\Delta g = fg - \sum_{x} (g+\Delta g)\Delta f$$
 
summation by parts, eh?
 
yup, from wikipedia
 
2:57 AM
Can some link chat latex link i lost it?
 
it's in the room description
 
Is $\mathbb{F}_{p}$ the notation for a field of characteristic $p$?
 
the (up to iso), yes
 
you can see how it differs from integration by parts:
$$\int fDg dx = fg - \int gDf dx$$

instead of $g$, you have $g+\Delta g$
I am trying to see if summation by parts will help me to evaluate this known sum easier:
$$\sum_{x}x^2$$
 
@anon and that tower extension thing you did. Soemtimes, people use $\subseteq$ instead of $/$?
 
3:00 AM
$L/K\iff K\subseteq L$
 
THANKS!
:)
 
mmhmm
 
$\mathbb{F}_{p}$ isn't $\mathbb{Z}/(p)$ specifically? It can be ANY finite field of characteristic $p$ (not order $p$)?
 
@Secret Write $f(n)=\sum_{k=1}^n k^2$. Denote $(\Delta g)(n):=g(n+1)-g(n)$. Then $\Delta f(n)=(n+1)^2$, so $\Delta^2 f(n)=2n+3$. Using $\Delta \binom{n}{k}=\binom{n}{k-1}$ (when $k$ is fixed), you can "discretely integrate" the equation $\Delta^2f(n)=2\binom{n}{1}+3\binom{n}{0}$ twice (adding constants).
 
Well, if you take $g=x$, then $\Delta g=1$. So $\sum_x f \Delta g=x f(x)-\sum_x(1+x) \Delta f$
 
3:03 AM
@ALannister just take it to be Z/pZ
 
I thought there were more finite fields of characteristic $p$ besides $\mathbb{Z}_{p}$.
 
@ALannister, $\Bbb F_q$ has $q$ elements and is unique up to iso.
 
@TedShifrin of course, you don't need $q$ elements in order to have characteristic $q$
right?
 
If the char is $p$, then $q=p^n$ for some $n$.
 
Okay, so then you can't just say that every field of characteristic $p$ is $\mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}$ up to isomorphism
 
3:05 AM
Char must be prime (unless 0).
 
I'm trying to find an irreducible polynomial of degree 2 in a finite field of characteristic 2
 
indeed, $\Bbb F_p(t)$ has characteristic $p$ and is infinite
as part of the previous exercise, Cersei?
 
Oops, I meant finite, anon.
 
Different exercise @anon
 
okay. well, look at all the polys of degree 2, see which one is irreducible
oh, a finite field of char 2
 
3:07 AM
Yes
 
@anon Ah nice. Never aware of that combinatoric property though
 
well, say your finite field is $\Bbb F_{2^{\large k}}$ to begin with
 
It's a tedious strategy, but one approach: Do it in F2, then F4, etc. and look for a pattern.
(I offer that strategy, I should note, because I don't know well enough to suggest anything smarter.)
 
I was given a hint. Don't know how to use it. Find a polynomial $f$ and an element $a$ in the field such that $f(x) = f(x+a)$
 
@Secret $\binom{n+1}{k}-\binom{n}{k}$ counts the $k$-subsets of $\{1,\cdots,n+1\}$ that include $n+1$, which are in bijection with the $(k-1)$-subsets of $\{1,\cdots,n\}$
 
3:08 AM
huh. neat.
 
@anon, has tern been retired?
 
for now
 
Wait a minute, you're him??
 
I'm no one.
 
3:09 AM
Figures you sound so much like him ;)
 
Hey guys!
 
Uh oh. He's a faceless man.
 
Hi demonark.
 
He's gonna kill us all!
 
\o\ lol /o/
 
3:10 AM
@anon is blonde you, and @arctictern is ginger you.
 
How's it going?
 
Not to mention all the other personae.
 
there's Scary anon, Sporty anon, Posh anon, ...
 
I'm just some guy.
 
I'm no one.
 
3:12 AM
you watch GoT Ted?
 
That's a pretty classical introduction. Or should I say...?
 
Nope, but I went to Dubrovnik.
 
I wanna know where they got those chains from.
They just kind of reached down into a giant plot hole and pulled them out.
 
I'm more concerned with how they got the chains on the dragon, given that they don't seem to be able to swim
 
@ALannister it was a rather wears sunglasses complex process
 
3:13 AM
YEAAHHHH
 
That also! Perhaps dragons float?
And of course, there's everybody's favorite half-dead Deus Ex Machina...
But anyway, irreducible polynomials of degree 2 in a finite field of characteristic 2
 
well, it's degree 2. so has to be of the form $ax^2+bx+c$ (duh)
oh. I probably shouldn't use $a$.
$c_2 x^2+c_1 x+c_0$.
 
just make it monic
 
oh. yeah.
$x^2+bx+c$.
 
characteristic two. where is your god quadratic formula now, students?
 
3:17 AM
lol
 
I wish I had one of thosse laughing so hard I'm crying emojis right now
 
You lose that but then the first year dream comes true
 
if you want $f(x+a)=f(x)$ for all $x$, that means $x^2+2ax+a^2+bx+ab+c=x^2+bx+a^2+ab+c=x^2+bx+c$ since $2a=0$ (char 2)
So it'll satisfy that property so long as $a^2+ab=a(a+b)=0$
which...is a thing?
 
Is it $2a = 0$ or $a^{2} = 0$?
 
3:20 AM
am I being silly? I'm probably being silly.
okay, time for me to stop pretending I know the first thing about finite fields
 
No, you're right. I'm sniffing glue.
 
@TedShifrin how you been? did you go see the eclipse?
 
Hmmmm, how do I make Mathematica do what I want
 
@Semiclassical TYPE SLOWLY IN ALL CAPS
 
YEAAHHH
4
 
3:24 AM
Works for people who dont understand english
;p
 
"YEAAHHH"
-Semi
 
LMAO
 
and that's my contribution to the starboard today. greeat.
 
lol
 
you were supposed to say YEAAHHH
 
3:26 AM
facepalm
 
You know how there are the knights who say "NI!"?
 
Tsk tsk tsk
 
Well, there are the Semis who say "YEAAHHH"
Kind of like the rapper Lil Jon
 
Anyone know a good video lecture set for learning number theory?
 
I will say that's a good life choice, number theory is A+
And the book I used was Weil's NT for beginners, though I don't know any video lectures
 
3:28 AM
im hoping it gets me an easy A+
 
Hey remember that proof of P\ne NP from a few days ago
 
There's also Niven and Zuckerman which is fantastic
 
Turns out it's wrong
 
Yeah remember I posted it to the chat?
Razborov confirmed it was wrong
 
i have
 
3:29 AM
I must have missed it
Welp.
 
"elementry number theory by underwood dudley" as the course textbook
 
$N=1$ or $P=0$
 
it seems pretty straightforward everything iv done elswhere ti seems though\
 
Here's a thought for a construction: let $E(G)$ be the free group on the underlying set of a group $G$ mod the relations $[g]^k=[g^k]$, for example I think in the case of the quaternion group $Q_8$ we get $C_4\ast_{C_2}C_4\ast_{C_2} C_4$.
Idea came about when considering braid groups, symmetry groups of polytopes and orientation entanglement.
I guess really the construction could be done on any $\Bbb Z$-set $G$
well, no, the orbits would need distinguished points.
 
Ah now I know why there's that extra 1 in the summation by parts: The finite difference product rule has a cross term $\Delta f\Delta g$ and unlike derivatives, it does not vanish
 
4:15 AM
How can you test whether a polynomial in a finite field of characteristic 2 has any roots?
 
Hi, I've a question: given w a 1-form on M, 3-dim mfld, isn't $w\wedge dw$ always 0? since $w\wedge dw=d(1/2 w \wedge w)$ which is zero?
 
$$\sum_x x^2$$

Method 1 (Discrete calculus):

\begin{align}& \sum_{x}x^2 = x\sum_x x - \sum_{x} \left(\frac{x(x-1)}{2}+x\right)*1\\
& = x\frac{x(x-1)}{2} - \sum_{x} \left(\frac{x(x-1)}{2}+x\right)*1\\
& = \frac{x^2(x-1)}{2} - \sum_{x} \frac{x^2}{2} + \frac{1}{2}\sum_{x}x - \sum_{x}x\\
& = \frac{x^2(x-1)}{2} - \frac{1}{2}\sum_{x} x^2 - \frac{1}{2}\sum_{x}x\\
& \frac{3}{2}\sum_{x}x= \frac{x^2(x-1)}{2} - \frac{1}{2}\frac{x(x-1)}{2}\\
& 6\sum_{x}x= 2x^2(x-1) - x(x-1)\\
& 6\sum_{x}x= x(2x^2-3x +1)\\
Method 2 is much cleaner
 
4:39 AM
General case:
\begin{align}
f(n)=\sum_{k=1}^n k^m\\
\Delta^m f(n) = m!(n+1)+m
\end{align}
 
I don't know why some people come on here, basically post questions where they're asking people to do their homework for them, nobody touches them. I post something where I've at least done SOME work, although I sound totally clueless, and I get downvoted.
 
$\therefore f(n) = m!\binom{n}{1+m} + (m!+m)\binom{n}{m}$
 
Some questions about intuitionistic set theory were posted in set theory chatroom - I'm mentioning them in case somebody knowledgeable is around.
 
More general case:
 
It's like I'm wearing a daggone "downvote me" sign stuck to my back.
 
4:47 AM
sad reax only
 
And for some reason, I'm having trouble understand typed English tonight.
 
@ALannister You seem to have an answer by the famous number theorist Lubin below on that question. I would personally not worry about that downvote.
 
He's famous? Damn.
I still don't really understand his answer.
But I kind of understand what that other guy Sean was saying.
I also have no idea why it's important that $x^{2}+x+1 \neq x^{2} + x$ in the context of this problem. Apparently, that's the connection between Sean's commenets and Lubin's answer, and I don't really see where it's coming from.
 
Unless that's the part he says is "not image"
 
4:52 AM
Let $a(n)$ be constant sequence (coefficients of polynomial)
\begin{align}
f(n) & = \sum_{k} a(n)k^n \\
\Delta f(n) & = a(n)k^n\\
\Delta^n f(n) & = a(n)(n!k+n)\\
\therefore f(n) & = a(n)\left(n!\binom{k}{n+1}+n\binom{k}{n}\right)
\end{align}
 
He's old, too.
I want to be old and still know what I'm doing.
Heck, I want to be my own age and actually know what I'm doing. That would also be nice.
Ha! Thanks for the pity vote.
 
Ah sorry, typo in the previous thing
 
The more I look at it, the more it makes sense.
Question is: should I sleep and look at it with fresh eyes in the morning?
 
@ALannister <sarcasm> Isn't that why you mentioned the downvotes? </sarcasm>
 
LOL!
No @Martin it was just better than throwing things.
 
user84215
4:56 AM
I think downvoting should be removed from the SE.
 
I think some people just shouldn't be a-holes about using it.
 
Let's have a vote about it :-)
 
You've answered some of my questions before, right @Martin?
 
I'm not sure about that.
 
Hmm...maybe not then. Your name sounded familiar more than just from the chat.
@ATaco guess what day it is???
 
4:59 AM
Wednesday?
 
IT'S TACO TUESDAY!
 
@ALannister This query faound not such questions.
 
I'm not a camel.
Not hump day
 
A little late friend.
 
<-- must be hallucinating from the scent of delicious tacos.
 
5:01 AM
@ALannister He's saying that $z^2 + z$ is not surjective; every value it takes is 0. So you can just translate it by $1$ to get $z^2 + z + 1$ which has no roots over $\Bbb F_2$, say.
 
Whoa. I'm an entire day behind. WTAF?
Why does not being surjective mean every value it takes is 0?
I thought not being surjective just mean there were soome values in the range that never get attained.
 
@ALannister It doesn't. But in this case every value it takes is 0.
 
I.e., the image is a proper subset of the range.
 
@MartinSleziak yarp.
 
5:03 AM
actually, the above generalisations are all wrong, since e.g. $\Delta n^3 = 3n^2+3n+1$
 
Ohhh...because $z^{2} = z$ here??
 
finite differences have so many leftovers that in general is quite complicated
 
@ALannister Well, yes.
 
@Secret like my mother-in-law.
 
You can also just plug-and-check $z = 0$ and $z = 1$
But yes, you are correct
 
5:05 AM
Brand me with a hot poker and call me Shirley...
What in the name of the old gods and the new is wrong with me?
Must be that dragon's death hit me harder than I thought ;P
THANKS, GUYS
You shall be rewarded handsomely, for a Lannister always pays their debts.
 
@BalarkaSen Isn't the question about arbitrary field of characteristic 2, not only $F_2$?
 
I will take over 9000 internet points.
 
So I guess by engaging in discrete calculus, we can see how many nitty gritty details were being hidden by infintesimals
 
@Martin yes...
 
I see that in $F_2$ the polynomial is equal to zero, but this is not necessary true in a bigger field, I think.
Still, it is not surjective in such field.
 
5:08 AM
Ah, I see, I thought the question was for $\Bbb F_2$.
 
Meanwhile I am thinking about some kind of operator that measures the nonassociativity of divergent series:
 
I think the bit about $z^{2} = z$ is true for any FINITE field of characteristic $2$.
 
Does that question comes from some book, or is it from your teacher?
 
@MartinSleziak from my prof.
MichaelHartley posted something interesting
 
Let $x$ be some divergent sequence. Construct the tuple $(x,s)$ which consists of a divergent series and its distribution of brackets given as a string of relative positions $L, R$ and $|$. The <have not figured out the name yet> is defined as:

$$[(x,s),(x,e)] = \sum_{x}(x,s) - \sum_{x}x$$

where $e$ is the empty string
 
5:13 AM
Anyway, argument about number of elements (using non-trivial kernel) gives us that $g(z)=z^2+z$ is not surjective.
Therefore there exists some "shift" $g(z)+b=z^2+z+b$ which does not have zero in the range, and therefore has no roots.
 
@ALannister This is why Lubin's last comment is relevant. $z + z^2$ has two elements in the kernel as a map from the field to itself, so the image of this is going to have only half the elements of the field.
And then you do the shift argument (Martin beat me to it)
 
Now, these two elements are $z$ and $-z$?
I wasn't entirely clear about that.
 
I guess Balarka survived (so to speak) his exams.
 
No, $\operatorname{Ker} g= \{0,1\}$.
 
Hi @Ted!
 
5:17 AM
Der-da-lee-der.
Of course
WB @Ted
 
Thanks. I'm sort of here. Drove about 540 miles today.
 
For example, let: $s =\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} (-1)^n$. Then $[s,\{\}]$...
O cr**, the LR | notations is insufficient to denote brackets of the form: x+(x+x)+(x+x)+... vs (x+x)+(x+x)+(x+x)+...
 
It's only good if you can stop to pee somewhere and have a piece of pie.
 
@TedShifrin Yikes. So you're not back home yet?
 
I'm back home, Balarka.
 
5:18 AM
Ah OK
 
Saw old, old friends and various generations of former students.
 
@Martin you da man.
And Balarka too
 
The way I think about algebra is an utter load of crap. Should fix that at some point.
@TedShifrin Nice to hear you enjoyed the trip.
 
I won't even ask for a justification for that sentence, Balarka.
 
Haha
 
5:22 AM
[Random] The bracket operator:
Let $\mathop{B}$ be the bracket operator, which is defined as follows: Given some string $s$ that describe how brackets are distributed, and a formula $f$, then $B(f)$ applies brackets onto $f$ in that order. For example:

$$\mathop{B}(\cdot ((\cdot \cdot) \cdot)(\cdot \cdot)),1+2+3+4+5) = 1+((2+3)+4)+(5+6)$$
More simply, we can treat the string of brackets as one operator:
$$(\cdot ((\cdot \cdot) \cdot)(\cdot \cdot))\circ (1+2+3+4+5) = 1+((2+3)+4)+(5+6)$$

Need to came up more systematic ways to wrote that string of brackets...
 
I have your local Morse theory paper open on one of my tab right now by the way.
 
But there are so many tabs it easily gets lost in the shuffle.
 
The Lost Tab: Mysteries of the Browser
 
If there were more alliteration, I'd think it might have been a Perry Mason mystery title.
 
Or an Indiana Jones movie.
 
5:25 AM
I completely made that up :P
 
Raiders of the Lost Tab
 
Better than coupling animals on the ark.
 
The Browser of Doom
Otherwise known as Netscape..'member Netscape?
That was back when everybody thought of Bill Gates as a villain.
 
More like Internet Explorer
That's one shitty broswer
 
Let the divergent alternate series be $s=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}(-1)^n$. We first construct a systematic convention for notating the string of brackets:
 
5:28 AM
That also @Balarka but the reason why everybody hated B.G. was because Windows 98 included Internet Explorer, and as they say, "video killed the radio star".
 
<--- abhors Microsoft.
 
I am a Windows fanboi
 
These days tho, pretty much everyone I know uses Google Chrome. Except for me - I use Opera.
 
5:52 AM
1. Bracket size: The number of terms enclosed by a bracket is given as follows:
\begin{align}
(\cdot) \circ 1 & = (1) = 1 \\
(\cdot \cdot) \circ (1+2) & = (1+2)\\
(\cdot \cdot \cdot) \circ (1+2+3) & = (1+2+3)\\
(\cdot n) \circ (1+2+\cdots + n) & = (1+2+\cdots + n)
\end{align}
2. Separator: The separator | separates different groups of brackets. For example:
\begin{align}
(\cdot 2 | \cdot 3) \circ (1+2+3+4+5) & = (1+2)+(3+4+5) \\
(\cdot 2 | \cdot 3 | \cdot ) \circ (1+2+3+4+5+6) & = (1+2)+(3+4+5)+6 \\
With these in hand we can now do the following:
 
@Secret 6?
@Secret what you're describing now looks like context-free grammar
 
@LeakyNun yes, that's a typo, forgot the 6
Let $s=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}(-1)^n$. Then
\begin{align}
(\cdot_2 |^{\aleph_0}) \circ s = (1-1)+(1-1)+(1-1)+\cdots = 0\\
(\cdot |\cdot_2 |^{\aleph_0}) \circ s = 1+(-1+1)+(-1+1)+\cdots = 1
\end{align}
And thus:
\begin{align}
[(s,\cdot_2 |^{\aleph_0}),(s,\emptyset)] = 0 - 0 = 0\\
[(s,\cdot|\cdot_2 |^{\aleph_0}),(s,\emptyset)] = 1 - 0 = 1
\end{align}
actually no, $(s,\emptyset)$ is ... uh not well defined
 

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