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Yeah, who the hell would?!
Damn, I can't avoid you anywhere, Lozansky.
BTW, Lozansky, you should check the spelling of physics on your profile :)
Oh, that's not how you spell it? ;)
Well I'm off to bed now, so I'm off your back for a while
Thanks again for the help, @TedShifrin
Night, Lozansky. :)
00:33
hi @ted
00:54
Hey semi
01:43
how do you write research proposal to apply for PhD position if it requires it?
doesn't resaerch proposal means a concrete research topic for PhD dissertation?
 
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04:32
Hi@Semiclassical
any help on this - "The response characteristics (relative speed of response) for unforced systems were dependent on the initial conditions"
I encountered this one while reading Phase Plane Analysis
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04:46
Hello
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How's everything?
$$ \textsf{This is a message to check $\LaTeX$} $$
Yes it works
05:46
Hello @Ted, you're up late
Hi chat
Demonark, it's not late here! ... I just had friends depart after dinner.
I finally fixed my sleep schedule
Oh right, California
I don't believe that, @Balarka.
05:47
@Balarka W00T... but for how long?
for today
slept 3 - 9
That's not so bad, Balarka.
That's a good schedule
yeah I'll try to keep that on average
Demonark, I mentioned you and your being so proud of being able to integrate the 0 function over a rectangle.
05:48
\('-')/
Not sure what that means, but OK.
it means he's shocked
(recall meme)
Basically, some mix of shock and excitement
05:49
glares at Balarka for mentioning meme
Is it the right time for me to ask which meme?
There's never a right time.
Oh wait I think I know which one
Lol
Hippa slammed in the tagline "Every math you've learnt, you've forgotten? I'm shocked" in a shocked picture of Ted from the lectures
and it went immediately viral
I couldn't find it later on though
05:51
No, it wasn't such bad English, @Balarka.
I think that was what Hippa wrote though (am I wrong?)
You might be right, I dunno.
That certainly was not what I said.
Nothing as viral as all the disgusting Trump pictures.
I like the Hitler memes
05:53
i tabbed in here and saw "I like the Hitler memes"
"sorry, my computer autocorrects Trump to Hitler"
Probably best to tab right out.
@Ericsilva coming in at exactly the right moments
every time I come in it's Balarka saying something ludicrous
05:55
well, or Demonark doing likewise
"Every time it's Balarka saying something ludicrous"
FTFY
Lol @Ted
yeah but Daminark does that all the time not just when I come in
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Trump has his issues but he didn't win for no reason. Lors of people have been ignored by the elites
05:56
I never imagined that I could be associated with ludicrousy
The people who voted for him were duped and are about to be royally screwed.
is shocked
meme
sorry
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Probably
I live in a very conservative blue collar area, so he is very well liked here
Demonark, the actual video that Hippa ridiculed me over was my gently sarcastically reviewing polar coordinates in second semester, saying I was "shocked" that they didn't all remember what we'd done first semester.
I saw, I know it was all in jest
05:58
So they continue to like his lying and continuing treasonous behavior re Russia?
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Unfortunately yes
Not to mention all the tax breaks for the rich while we take away food stamps and medical care from the lower class?
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On the other hand, when I talk to them they seem to have real problems and they feel betrayed by the gov
I don't blame them for that. But he's going to be the worst.
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Who knows?
06:00
I think the Democrats have betrayed the people badly, but the Republicans are hateful and self-serving completely.
I'm pretty confident ... if we don't end up in war shortly.
But I am fed up.
I'm going to Europe, denying I'm American and possibly never coming back. :D
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He is not an idiot , he managed to become successful in three highly competitive fields
No, he is a cheater and a liar.
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Yes
He succeeded by declaring bankruptcy.
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But not an idiot
06:01
And now he's demented and has no mental capacity whatever.
I think he is now an idiot. He may not have been 30 years ago.
He was despicable 30 years ago, as is his son-in-law right now.
It's pretty hard not to be very successful in the fields he worked in when you start with loads of money tbh
I wouldn't want to be in America right now
Nope, Balarka. You're right.
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Why not?
The greatest nation on earth
Not any more. We're third-world right now.
06:03
Greatest political shitstorm, for sure
I'm wondering how intentional your use of the word great is
@Daminark In the sense of "Make America Great Again"
@Balarka idk the Brazilian govt is like on the verge of collapse
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Lol nah, I voted for Clinton even though she's worse than him
06:04
Oh, really? I don't know much about what happens in there
Trump admires Russia and the Philippines. He desires to be dictator, and he's getting there with the help of all the Republicans in congress.
No, she's NOT worse.
She's disappointing, but NOT worse than this turd.
(Warning: Clinton vs Trump debates historically have almost never gone well)
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no debate here , I don't like both
tbh our political situation is pretty bad too
I agree.
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06:05
I voted for Sanders and gave him 20$ which which is like 200$ couse am cheap
Anyhow, I'm gonna go watch TV. Night, all.
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Goodnight
Yeah, this conversation is depressing. Bye.
See you @Ted!
Some craaaaazy shit is happening there @Balarka, military police killed people, government buildings are burning
bad stuff
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06:06
Damn, am such a convo killer
yikes :(
hasn't happened since the last military dictatorship
I'm scared for my family in the capitol :(
Whoa @EricSilva, didn't things were going so badly. I hope everything will be alright
I had no idea that this was happening. I did hear that the economic situation of Brazil ws not very well at one point, but nothing about the political environment.
I do hope your family stays safe.
the economic situation is the result of rampant political corruption
par for the course in latin america tbh
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06:09
Maybe it's the other way?
any way im out gotta do galois theory
@Eric quite understandable from someone in India.
byebye.
I'm going to put my headphones in and try to do stuff
Fun, see you @EricSilva
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@Daminark now your stuck with me
I'm hear 2
06:11
runs away in LaTeX
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lol he's here for the rescue
(If you're not familiar with my style of humor that sentence will make no sense)
(If you are it won't really make sense anyway because it just doesn't)
i like it
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I took it as random but subconsciously funny comment
Commence the genealogy of Amin-style memetics:
Actually there isn't much to explain there
You've heard of the "Jajaja = laughing in Spanish" thing, right?
06:13
da
Well, the internet has decided to extend it to other actions that aren't even activities of the voice
"Falls down in Spanish" etc
I've decided to extend this to LaTeX
seems legit
I found this yesterday. might be funny depending on whether or not you like windows
Oh I grew up on XP, this'll be fun
I kinda liked XP
06:29
That was nice
I also like this one
These college humor people are amusing
yeah sometimes they're good
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06:59
Is there anybody out there?
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Um, yes?
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Hello
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Hello
Hello
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Hello?
07:04
Hello!
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How are you!
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Just about alright, thanks for asking, what about you?
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Am good guys
Thx for asking
Trying to decide if I wanna study or sleep
I can't decide, so I'll let you guys decide
[Random] Find a geometry such that the following can be observed: If you walk forward, the scenary zooms out and become smaller. If you walk backwards instead, the scenary magnifies until it becomes a featureless green void and you can walk no further
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I have a feeling this has to do with hyperbolic geometric shapes
Alright, ama go die for 8 hours
07:22
night
07:43
Help.
How solve?
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A: Closing "Insufficient Effort" questions

alemiWe should vote to close “Insufficient Effort” questions. Offered bare to take a poll

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Lol.
I got $\cos^2 x- \tan^2 x=-9/7$
hint: what is cos$4x$ in terms of cos $x$ and sin $x$?
also use the $\sin^2 x + \cos^2 x =1$ identity to simplify the $\tan^2 x$
@Secret I am getting $\cos^4$ I don't think I am going right
$cos^4 x$ is ok, cause from that equation of yours you should have already work out what $\cos x$ is
08:00
I got $9\cos^4 x+ 12\cos^2 x -5=0$ @Secret you got same?
yes, now solve for your ans
@Secret I don't see any way to get cos4x from that equation.
Hint: what is cos 4x in terms of cos x?
$8\cos^4 x-8\cos^2 x+1$
now solve for cos x in your equation, and plug that into the expansion of cos 4x that you wrote down
08:14
@Secret alright. You mean $\cos^2 x$
yup
What is $(-a\pm b)^2$😅
just split that into two cases
What will be $\pm\times\pm=?$
Just split that into TWO cases and deal with it separately
forget $\pm$ and deal with a-b and a+b separately
08:23
Hi
Hi
Does this mean that $log(1 - x + \frac{x^2}{2} - ...) \approx -x$ when $x \rightarrow 0$
Log1=?
$1-x+x^2/2.. $is Taylor series of cos x?
08:27
nopes
$\cos(x)$ expansion has even powers !
@Fawad
Ok. Nevermind
09:02
Hey @Alessandro
09:47
@Secret Why doesn't the "How solve" show ?
@Astyx Probably there are too many nested stuff. Have you tried to click the "full text" to expand it?
I can't, it's not available
Not that it matters too much
Probably might be that recent mathjax thing cause yesterday a couple of users said they cannot see any latex
But anywhy, this is what it should look like:
I definitely can
10:29
in The h Bar, 21 mins ago, by Kenshin
It's a gambling game and you have to pick one of these categories
in The h Bar, 21 mins ago, by Kenshin
<1% : 100x
in The h Bar, 21 mins ago, by Kenshin
<10% : 10x
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um?
I tried to paste Kenshin's game theory question here as the math chat has game theory people that will know the better answer, but his is made of many one lined posts
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yes
11:05
I forgot my default directory in MATLAB
how to identify it
perhaps @nbro
11:34
@BAYMAX To which message are you answering?
11:49
@BAYMAX the default directory is something like /usr/local/MATLAB/R20XXa
12:18
Hi
anyone good at game theory here?
12:29
Just ask your question, you'll see if anyone's interrested
13:04
$a,b,c\in \mathbb{Z}$. $\Delta$ is the discriminant of the equeation $ax^2+bx+c=0$. Why $\Delta$ can't be $462$?
So you want to know if $b^2 - 4ac = 462$ has integer solutions @AbdullahUYU
$462 \equiv 2 \pmod 4$
And $b^2-4ac$ cannot satisfy that
Because $b^2-4ac \equiv 0, 1 \pmod 4$ depending on the values of $b \pmod 4$
13:23
Hmm, i got it
13:38
So, $b^2-4ac$ can only be in the forms $4k+1$ or $4k$
Yes
one little thing confuses me
if we write all the numbers in form $4k+1$ or $4k$ like: $\{\dots -4,-3,-0,1,4,5 \dots \}$; then do we get all posible integers for $\Delta$?. Maybe we miss someones?
You get all and possibly more
No, you get all of them exactly
If you set $(a,b) = (1,1)$, you get $\Delta = 1-4c$, and if $(a,b) = (1, 0)$, $\Delta = -4c$
uh huh
$y+2x=1$ is a tangent line of curve $y=x^3+2x^2-x+1$ with point $A=(-1,3)$. The line is also a tangent line of curve $y=ax^3+b$ with point $B$. If $|AB|=3\sqrt{5}$, then what is the minimum value of $a+b$?
13:58
Hi @Sha
hi @Astyx
@Steamy you said you liked Schrödinger's equation; mind having a look at a basic question? (about why we can take the solution to the time-independent S.E. to be real)
Ask the question anyway
right
So my question comes from an exercise that wanted me to prove that we can take the solution of the time-independent S.E. to be real. The solution provided (I screenshotted the last bit) made a remark about energies:
So I noticed that if we have solutions with the same energy, it seems that we can simply pick which one we want
This makes sense, given that the general solutions is usually written as:
$$
\Psi(x,t)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty c_n\psi_n(x)E^{-iE_nt/\hbar}
$$
but now I'm wondering; why can't we have "independent" solutions for the same energy?
ok small update: apparently, for now, I should just assume linear independent for $\psi$ and $\psi^*$. So never mind
14:22
Consider the following topology on $\Bbb{R}$: $U$ is open if and only if $\Bbb{R}-U$ is countable or all of $\Bbb{R}$. I claim that if $A$ is an uncountable set in $\Bbb{R}$, then its closure is $\Bbb{R}$ (i.e., it is dense). Recall that the closure of $A$ is the smallest closed set containing $A$, and that closed sets are formed by taking complements of open sets, which obviously makes proper closed subsets countable.
Clearly, then, there is no way a proper closed subset could contain $A$, since an uncountable set cannot be a subset of a countable set, Hence, the closed subset must not be proper, and therefore the closure is $\Bbb{R}$.
How does this sound?
For the question i asked above: Seems like there are two possible $B$ points: $(-4,9)$ and $(2,-3)$. Is it possible to predict if which one give me the lower one of the $a+b$?
15:03
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Q: Laurent series find the coeficients

Manolis LyviakisSuppose $$z\frac{\cos z}{\sin z}= \sum_{-\infty}^{n} a_nz^n $$ the laurent series of $f(z)= z\frac{cosz}{sinz} $ on the ring π<|z|<2π.Find the $a_n$. Now i know $a_n= \frac{1}{2πi} \int\frac{f(z)}{z^{n+1}}dz$ so for $$n=0$$i plug in the $f$ and i try to use the residues theorem but i dont ...

any1?
15:15
@Hippa o/
@Astyx \o
Il faut qu'on organise la journée du 10
@Astyx J'ai eu une semaine chargée, je n'ai pas pu me connecter donc je n'ai pas trop suivi: avez-vous convenu de quoi que ce soit pour l'instant ? (à part la date)
Non pas vraiment
@Astyx Ok. Mon pb est que je connais assez mal Paris... et toi ?
15:18
Moi non plus je connais pas
Ok je vais demander autour de moi.
On serait 4 c'est ça ? (Ted, toi, LGDD, moi)
JeSuis aussi il me semble
Enfin d'ailleurs je risque d'avoir un week end chargé aussi, il faut que je finisse mon TIPE
Ah j'ai connu ça :P
15:23
J'ai tellement la flemme
C'est juste un mauvais moment à passer :-) quel est ton sujet ?
La résolution algorithmique du Mastermind
Rien de bien intéressant si tu me demandes mon avis :p
Enfin surtout que mon TIPE est vide en fait
Au moins ça a l'air plus ludique et moins bateau que d'autres sujets classiques
Ouais c'est vrai, j'avais pas pensé à ça
How to find $$\int_0^1 \frac{xe^x}{(x+1)^2}\,dx$$?
15:30
Is the easiest way (in general) to tell whether $\int_{\Gamma} \mathbf{A} \cdot d\mathbf{r}$ is path independent to check if $\nabla \times \mathbf{A} = \mathbf{0}$?
@AbdullahUYU Integration by parts
hmm, i'll give it a try
@AbdullahUYU IBP, or $\frac{x}{(x+1)^2}=\frac{1}{x+1}-\frac{1}{(x+1)^2}$
hey all
how are you doing?
oh, $\int_0^1 \frac{e^x}{x+1}-\int_0^1 \frac{e^x}{(x+1)^2}$ second term canceled with IBP's second term.
@SalechAlhasov Hi :-D great and you ?
15:40
@Hippalectryon good, thanks :)
it's fun to see people posting math problems in chat rooms
quite amazing :)
one more is on the way @SalechAlhasov :)
Two-dimensional random variable (X,Y) has a uniform distribution on the unit square [0,1]x[0,1]. Find the probability distribution of the random variable Z=max{X,Y}-min{X,Y}. Find the expected value and varianca of Z.
Could someone help me with this problem?
Consider the following topology on $\Bbb{R}$: $U$ is open if and only if $\Bbb{R}-U$ is countable or all of $\Bbb{R}$. I claim that if $A$ is an uncountable set in $\Bbb{R}$, then its closure is $\Bbb{R}$ (i.e., it is dense). Recall that the closure of $A$ is the smallest closed set containing $A$, and that closed sets are formed by taking complements of open sets, which obviously makes proper closed subsets countable.
Clearly, then, there is no way a proper closed subset could contain $A$, since an uncountable set cannot be a subset of a countable set, Hence, the closed subset must not be
Is it possible to show the proof for {C->D,D} |- C ??
or more importantly {C->D,D} |- absurdity?
sounds right, non closed sets in the cocountable topology are dense @user193319
15:49
@AlessandroCodenotti Thanks!
why when trying to see the order of a pole of a function coincides with calculating the residue itself? its a bit weird trying to prove that the pole o a function is of order 1 its the same as calculating the residue
I was about to post a related question where i say a proof/derivation for {C->D,D} |- absurdity doesn't exist.... but then I waas concerned whether one actually does.
@user193319 What have you tried so far ?
I have another question. I am trying to show that the subset $(0,1]$ is not compact in $\Bbb{R}$ with the usual topology. Note that $\bigcup_{n \in \Bbb{N}} (\frac{1}{n},n)$ covers $(0,1]$. Thus, if $(0,1]$ were compact, then there would exist $\{n_1,...,n_k\} \subseteq \Bbb{N}$ such that $\bigcup_{i=1}^k (\frac{1}{n_i},n_i)$. WLOG, take $\frac{1}{n_1} \le \frac{1}{n_i}$ for every $i$. Hence, there exists an $m \in Bbb{N}$ such that $\frac{1}{m} < \frac{1}{n_1}$ and...
therefore an element in $(0,1]$ but not in not in $\bigcup_{i=1}^k (\frac{1}{n_i},n_i)$, a contradiction.
Does this sound right?
I tried from the bottom up, but i'm not sure how to construct !(C->D) with just the 2 assumptoins that i have.
I suppose I could try to find !D instead, but same problem.
15:58
@user193319 Oops wrong person
@user379685 What have you tried so far ?
@Hippalectryon doing it with two cases, one where X>Y and the other where X<Y
$$\int_0^1 \frac{xe^x}{(x+1)^2} \mathrm{d} x=\int_{-1}^0 \frac{(u-1)e^{u-1}}{u^2} \mathrm{d} (u-1)=\frac{1}{e}\int_{-1}^0 \frac{(u-1)e^u}{u^2} \mathrm{d} u=\frac{1}{e}\int_{-1}^0 \left(\frac{1}{u}-\frac{1}{u^2}\right)e^u \mathrm{d} u=-\frac{1}{e}( Ei(0)-Ei(-1)-\int_{-1}^0\frac{1}{u^2}e^u \mathrm{d} u)=\cdots$$

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