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12:43 AM
Hiya all, my two daily downvotes have come in. math.stackexchange.com/questions/480129/… both the question and answer here got downvoted - would love it if you guys took a look
 
Hi guys, quick question, if I subtract two numbers with tolerances how do I calculate the tolerance, is it the same as when adding numbers? (square, add, square root): x±0.04-y±0.04, would the tolerance be 0.0566?
 
Surely it'd be 0.08
Because worst case, x-0.04 and y-0.04 which is x+y-0.08
And this answer: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1385288/… it was on 4 :/ It's a good answer!
 
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Q: What mathematical property does equal temperament have that lets it form keys?

Stan ShunpikeSuppose I have the frequency $f$. According to just intonation, $\frac{3}{2} f$ is a perfect fifth. Now compare the following: $$ \left(\frac{3}{2}\right)^n \neq 2^m$$ for any integer $n,m$ But $$ \left(2^{\frac{7}{12}}\right)^{12} = 2^7 $$ Supposedly this difference explains why just inton...

 
@Rememberme math.stackexchange.com/questions/1385288/… - relevant to you, was one of yesterday's daily downvotes. See what you think.
Really getting annoying now.
 
1:25 AM
potato ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
Potatoes, spuds.... very useful algebraically I find.
 
$\bigcup_{i\in\emptyset}\text{Alec Teal}$
 
That also works?
 
Good
 
 
2 hours later…
3:15 AM
I feel like this is absurdly easy but I'm being dumb :3
 
 
1 hour later…
4:26 AM
Hey guys, anyone up?
 
5:15 AM
Hello
@MikeMiller u here amigo? Tengo una pregunta
 
5:25 AM
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Q: What mathematical property does equal temperament have that lets it form keys?

Stan ShunpikeSuppose I have the frequency $f$. According to just intonation, $\frac{3}{2} f$ is a perfect fifth. Now compare the following: $$ \left(\frac{3}{2}\right)^n \neq 2^m$$ for any integer $n,m$ But $$ \left(2^{\frac{7}{12}}\right)^{12} = 2^7 $$ Supposedly this difference explains why just inton...

 
@Stan: In some sense. What's the question?
 
5:57 AM
@MikeMiller okay so like
I am told that a form of musical intonation called just intonation
Doesnt permit keys
For our purposes
I will call a key set a group of scales where each member of the group can be obtained by multiplying by a constant. For example, C# major is simply C major multiplied by $2^{1/12}$
So a musical key is a member of a key set
But I am confused because apprently one form of tuning ratios permits keys while another doesnt
@MikeMiller and i am fairly sure the explanation involves a simple mathematical property
But I am unsure.
It is okay if u know nothing
I just thought I would bounce this off you
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Q: What mathematical property does equal temperament have that lets it form keys?

Stan ShunpikeSuppose I have the frequency $f$. According to just intonation, $\frac{3}{2} f$ is a perfect fifth. Now compare the following: $$ \left(\frac{3}{2}\right)^n \neq 2^m$$ for any integer $n,m$ But $$ \left(2^{\frac{7}{12}}\right)^{12} = 2^7 $$ Supposedly this difference explains why just inton...

 
 
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7:27 AM
@robjohn hello!
 
@Silent hello
 
@robjohn, what upper limit can be taken for $\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \frac{q^n}{n!}$ where q>1 to apply squeeze theorem?
 
@Silent Note that $n! > (q+1)^{n-(q+1)}$ (for suitably large $n$)
(you are basically cutting off the lower end of the factorial)
 
@TobiasKildetoft, i can't understand what you mean by cutting off the lower end
 
@Silent Well, $n! = n(n-1)\cdots 3\cdot 2\cdot 1$ so if you divide by $q!$ (remembering that $q$ is fixed), you get something that is strictly larger than $(q+1)^{n-(q+1)}$
hmm, maybe it is even just $n-q$ in the exponent
 
7:42 AM
@TobiasKildetoft, are you assuming that q is integer?
 
@Silent Well, I was, but you can just round up $q$ to get one
 
Oh yes
sorry
 
8:18 AM
@Silent For any $m\gt2q$, say $m=\lceil2q\rceil$, we have $$\begin{align} \frac{q^n}{n!} &=\overbrace{\frac q1\frac q2\frac q3\cdots\frac q{m-1}}^{\text{fixed}} \overbrace{\frac qm\frac q{m+1}\cdots\frac qn}^{\text{$n-m+1$ terms $\le\frac12$}}\\ &\le\left(\frac q1\frac q2\frac q3\cdots \frac q{m-1}2^{m-1}\right)\frac1{2^n} \end{align}$$
So it is less than some constant times $\frac1{2^n}$
 
8:52 AM
Hello
 
9:24 AM
Hi
 
BLS
9:49 AM
Hi, any expert in (generalized) complex geometry and/or topology?
 
hi @iwriteonbananas
 
hi there
 
BLS
can anyone give me suggestion about this math.stackexchange.com/questions/1430679/… ?
 
what are you up to?
 
nothing, doing some commutative algebra
the exercises in Hatcher in the poincare duality chapter is fun
 
9:52 AM
cool. i think im starting to come to grips with the basic defintions for L2 stuff
 
ok, nice
 
just went through an instructive example
i'll do a little write-up later or tomorrow
 
I'll be looking forward to that!
@iwriteonbananas I just saw a pretty wacky unanswered question yesterday.
it said if $X, Y, Z$ are finite CW-complexes, then is it always true that $X \vee Z \simeq Y \vee Z$ implies $X \simeq Y$?
it most certainly is, but i have no idea how to prove this.
 
10:24 AM
$\forall z\in\mathbb{C},\lvert z^n \rvert\leq\lvert z\rvert ^n$ ?
 
10:34 AM
$n\in\mathbb{N}$
 
10:56 AM
@GBeau There is even equality between those
 
@DanielFischer Yesterday you said that "For any reasonable integral, you have $$\int_X h(x)\,d\mu \cdot b = \int_X h(x)\cdot b\,d\mu$$ whenever $h$ is a complex valued integrable function on $X$ and $b$ and element of a complex vector space."

Assume you have $a \in \mathcal{A}$, where $\mathcal{A}$ is Banach Algebra and a real valued function $f(x)$ on $[a,b] \subset \mathbb{R}$ then would you have $\int_{a}^{b}f(x)dxa = \int_{a}^{b}f(x)adx$?
 
@Ted, your lectures are awesome.
 
hi, @Soham
 
hello.
all done with exams!
 
good
 
11:07 AM
limits without l'Hopital is a pain.
 
not really
 
like $\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{\sec 4x-\sec 2x}{\sec 3x-\sec x}$.
 
oh, I thought you meant multivariable limits
 
no.
I barely got that done in time today.
 
ok
@iwriteonbananas, did you see what I pinged you above?
$\simeq$ is homotopy equivalence, not homeomorphism, btw
 
11:09 AM
@DanielFischer I am using Riemann integral $\int_{a}^{b}...dx$.
 
hold on
@BalarkaSen hm interesting
where did that questino come from?
 
it's an unanswered MSE question, I found that when searching through the unanswered questions in my tags.
answering (non-lhf) things time to time in MSE makes me confident about what I learnt, ya know
@Soham so, planning to learn some math?
 
not planning.
 
@TobiasKildetoft I don't know why it bothered me in a complex analysis proof...I'll work it out for myself later
 
watching one of Ted's lectures.
 
11:14 AM
two words : do exercises.
 
yes.
don't worry, I will.
 
@SohamChowdhury I spent the day my exams was over planning.
 
I can't do anything thoroughly without a plan.
 
here's the plan.
I do some multivariable calc now. the idea being that I can tell SB that I now want to look at manifolds. I think that's a believable thing, and it's actually true.
 
11:16 AM
smooth manifolds, I presume.
you need to know some topology, @Soham
 
then I learn a little of that stuff. probably some cohomology, differential forms and whatnot.
yes.
 
you can find all the necessary calculus in Ted's book.
 
his lectures have everything, no?
 
@Soham i thought you were stuck with metric spaces the last time you were doing topology
 
maybe exercises, yes.
 
11:18 AM
@Soham no exercises :P
you'll end up learning bunch of machinaries but not being able to prove anything
 
no, I know a little about connectedness and everything.
 
i mean, if that's ok to you, then fine
 
@BalarkaSen why do you say that it certainly is true?
 
from what I saw, I don't think you need more than a hand-wavy acquaintance with the topology required.
 
false, totally false
 
11:19 AM
when I need partitions of unity and whatnot, I'll learn all that.
 
you need to know topology to do manifolds
@iwriteonbananas Just a mental block :)
I don't think it can be false
 
can you link me to that question?
yeah, it seems like it would be true
 
search "wedge sum cancellative"
 
and I have more than a hand-wavy acquaintance with it. I did most of Hatcher's notes last time.
 
you'll find it.
 
11:20 AM
ok
 
@SohamChowdhury as you wish
you have lots of algebra exercises due from me, just as a reminder
 
"the words "second countable" are just to rule out some pathological spaces" etc.
and on the algebra side, I started doing the rings exercises today.
 
@SohamChowdhury can you give me an example of a space which is not metrizable?
 
sine curve?
dunno.
 
prove your answer, 'course
 
11:22 AM
nah.
see? what would I need that for?
 
well, what you need rings for? that's just silly
 
prepares for scolding
 
but whatever
do what you want
 
I need rings for basically everything I guess.
Modules, etc.
 
@iwriteonbananas I'm trying to find loads of example of orientable and nonorientable manifolds
Speaking of, I haven't finished my proof of orientability of Lie groups yet
 
11:24 AM
Remember that MSE comment I quoted you that day?
Yes, it is definitely possible to learn differential topology without any strengthening of your foundations in analysis. In particular the content of "baby Rudin" is essentially irrelevant: rearrangement of series and gamma functions won't help you to understand, say, De Rham cohomology or Morse theory, nor even to compute in the tangent bundle! As an aside, I don't understand the American infatuation for that book, which I find boring, needlessly difficult and concise and without any show of enthusiasm for calculus, one of the most exciting and glorious achievements of mankind. — Georges Elencwajg Dec 20 '13 at 10:49
that.
tell me about some nonorientable manifolds.
I know Mobius strip is.
 
do whatever you want, i am not going to talk to you about it anymore.
@SohamChowdhury The definition is involved, sorry man
Oh, you mean examples?
 
$\Bbb RP^2$
 
11:26 AM
ah.
 
RP^1 is homeomorphic to S^1, orientable
 
yeah, sorry.
RP^2 and up aren't?
 
RP^3 is a Lie group, thus orientable
 
which one?
 
huh?
 
11:27 AM
as in, is it iso to some well-known group?
 
SO(3)
 
hmm.
above that? RP^4?
 
RP^n for odd n are all orientable
 
nothing, answered my own question and accidentally hit enter before deleting
 
11:29 AM
@iwriteonbananas Hatcher's first exercise on ch. 3.3 is very cool. It says that if you drop the Hausdorff property for manifolds, then find an example of a 1-dimensional nonorientable manifolds :D
*manifold
 
12:08 PM
speed @Ted's lecture up to 1.5x. dotted lines sound like bursts of machine-gun fire. :P
 
which lecture are you watching right now, @SohamChowdhury?
(i have pinged you in the other room, you might want to see it)
 
12:21 PM
@Semiclassical Thanks for the stuff! Interesting indeed! :-)
Unfortunately these hours I worked very hard on other areas, still caught there for some other hours.
 
Hello!!

Could someone of you take a look at the edit part of my question:
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Q: Why doesn't this hold for $p=2$?

Mary StarI have a question about the following lemma: Assume that the characteristic of $F$ is $p$ and $p>2$. Then $(t^m-1)/(t^n-1)$ is a square in $F[t, t^{-1}]$ if and only if $(\exists s \in \mathbb{Z}) m=np^s$. ($F[t,t^{-1}]$: the polynomials in $t$ and $t^{-1}$ with coefficients in the fi...

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@TobiasKildetoft @robjohn @anon do you have an idea?
 
12:50 PM
@Moses If $f$ is integrable.
 
@DanielFischer do you have an idea about my question?
 
Not really.
 
1:04 PM
@DanielFischer But Riemann integration is defined for real valued functions, how can you just dump an $a \in \mathcal{A}$ in the integrand i.e. $\int_{a}^{b}f(x)adx$?
@DanielFischer Are you considering it as $\lim\limits_{i \to \infty }\sum a f(x_{i}) \Delta x $?
 
@Moses You need to extend the definition of the Riemann integral of course. The concept of a Riemann sum has an obvious extension. Then you define a function to be Riemann integrable if the limit of the Riemann sums [Caution, it's not a sequence, you need a net] exists, and the Riemann integral is that limit.
 
@DanielFischer It's not really a Riemann integral then it's some extension. When you have a chance could you please look at my last comments for the post. This is quite confusing...
 
1:24 PM
I've just started reading Rudin's mathematical analysis and I'm a little confused by the proof in example 1.1 on pg 2 where we need to show that $p^2=2$ is not satisfied by any rational p. It's assumed that p can be written as $p=\frac{m}{n}$ where m and n are integers that are not even. Does he suppose this so that p remains a rational? Can someone please explain this?
 
1:58 PM
morning
 
@Paradox101 he supposes this because (a) he can and (b) it will lead to a contradiction (which is what we want to end up with)
a less foresightful supposition would be to assume m and n are in lowest terms (so, no common factor, 2 or otherwise)
every rational can be written in lowest terms, so that's a thing we can suppose
 
@BalarkaSen haha. what's an example for that?
 
2:17 PM
ugh, @MikeMiller, seems like there's some subtle thing about continuity of multiplication on $G$ is involved. if I can get this right, I have a commutative diagram which ensures local consistency.
give me some more time, I am not very comfortable with Lie groups
@iwriteonbananas $\Bbb R$ modulo identifying $(-\infty, -1)$ and $(1, \infty)$ works.
 
2:35 PM
as a side-question, do you know how to prove that if $X \vee Z \simeq Y \vee Z$ then $X \simeq Y$, @MikeMiller?
$X, Y, Z$ are finite CW-complexes
 
Is that actually true?
 
I think it is. It's certainly not true for infinite CW-complexes.
If it's not true, I'd like to see a counterexample too.
 
Nothing so hopeful is ever true, so if there's no good reason to believe it, I wouldn't.
 
here's the question, by the way. if you can get a counterexample/proof, please post it there.
@MikeMiller It'd seem so absurd if it's not true :s
 
Why would it be absurd? It's a cancellation problem. You can't cancel products of manifolds, you can't cancel products of varieties.
 
2:47 PM
I'm aware, but this one's about one-point union, not product.
It's boggling me how it couldn't cancel.
 
Why would it? Do your homotopy equivalences respect the basepoint?
 
ahh. I see your point.
 
It's not even a coproduct if your maps/homotopies aren't based. So there's no reason to believe it respects anything.
If they are the answer to this is probably yes and probably not hard to prove.
 
yes, I completely get what you're trying to say. Maybe $X \vee Z$ is equivalent to some wacky adjunction space such that the attaching map was nullhomotopic. Who knows if that adjuction space isn't $Y \vee Z$?
thanks for that.
 
Afternoon
 
2:56 PM
If the htpy equivalences respect the wedged point, then probably the problem would boil down to cancellation of disjoint unions.
(which is easy)
 
So far I received no solution to $$\int _{0}^1\int _{0}^1\int _{0}^1\frac{1}{(x+y+z) (1+x y z)}\ dx \ dy \ dz$$ If I were a student at the famous universities in the world I would stress the professors every day with such questions.
 
@Balarka: Here is a strategy to obtain a counterexample. Find groups $G,H,H'$ that admit finite CW models for $K(-,1)$ and such that $G * H \cong G *H'$. (There are finitely presented examples of groups that don't cancel like that.)
But such that $H \not\cong H'$. Now wedge.
 
Didn't free products cancel?
I think they do for finitely generated groups.
 
I would challenge the whole board of professors, no matter it's about MIT, Princeton, Harvard, every day I would challenge them (with my creations, of course).
 
Good luck
 
3:04 PM
They just wouldn't care, @Chris'ssistheartist.
Most of them won't.
 
@BalarkaSen I have doubts. I have very interesting problems (in my tiny corner of mathematics).
 
:24034355 I might be a different kind of challenge - one from which all can learn a lot of amazing stuff.
 
Darn, you're right, that's the Grushko decomposition theorem.
I must be thinking of direct products thay don't cancel.
 
right.
 
3:09 PM
Perhaps. @Chris'ssistheartist but I believe it's more important to challenge yourself :-)
 
@skillpatrol Star! I do it every single day! :-)
 
@BalarkaSen ah, that's neat.
 
it is
unfortunately, that's not something I constructed. I had seen this one a long time ago in an answer by Lee on MSE.
 
grumph this Lie group.
 
3:23 PM
what?
 
He's trying to prove that Lie groups are orientable.
 
I have an idea, but I can't get it to work.
 
More precisely, once $1 \in G$ is given a local orientation, I want to get the continuity of orientation work for an open nbhd $U$ of $1$, and then push that neighborhood to a neighborhood $U_g$ of $g$ by multiplication by $g$.
Then some crazy commutative diagram work does the trick.
That is, if my orientation is continuous around $1$, then it's continuous everywhere. I am not sure how to make it work around $1$
 
3:38 PM
@MikeMiller: what have you scheduled for Ted today?
 
I haven't done anything... I think he's getting lunch with one of the grad students today
 
I have to decide about coming into campus today. Yesterday it took 2 hours
 
I think he wants to get in touch with you. If you email me I can give you his phone #
 
Are you guys and Ted at the same unis?
(Or, in that general area.)
 
hi @AndrewThompson
 
3:44 PM
Hi @BalarkaSen
 
Ted is just nearby today.
 
Oh, I see. As usual I came to nag you about diff. geo, Mike, albeit probably a bit easier this time: the curve $\gamma \colon I \to \mathbb{R^2}$ defined by $t \mapsto (t^2, t^2)$ is not extendible, right?
 
What does extendible mean
 
(So morally, two lines on top of each other fighting about the direction of the derivative.)
 
You have a map $(0,\infty) \to \Bbb R^2$ and you want to know if you can extend it to, say, $(0-\varepsilon,\infty)$ in a $C^1$ manner that always has nonzero derivative?
 
3:48 PM
A vector field along a curve, $V \colon I \to TM$ s.t $V(t) \in T_{\gamma(t)} M$ is extendible if there is a vector field $V' \colon M \to TM$ s.t $V(t) = V'_{\gamma(t)}$
 
you just have a curve here, not a vector field?
 
Yes, I phrased it badly. The claim is that any vector field along the given curve is nonextendible.
 
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the 0 field is certainly extendible
 
Hm, indeed. Maybe the claim should be that the vector field $\dot{\gamma}(-)$ is nonextendible.
Wait, I'm talking nonsense.
Ok, confusing myself, might get back to you once my questions are well-defined. Thanks as always!
 
3:53 PM
@AndrewThompson: No, I think that's probably the desired claim. It's not obvious to me how to prove it.
 
Ok, no, this makes perfect sense. $\dot{\gamma}(-)$ is a vector field along $\gamma$. Suppose there is a vector field $V' \colon M \to TM$ s.t $\dot{\gamma}(-) = V'_{\gamma(-)}$.
Since $\dot{\gamma}(-1) \ne \dot{\gamma}(1)$, we do not want these mapping to the same tangent space, right? Which is exactly the case under the assumption.
 
OK, but that's not the interesting question. Restrict the curve to $[0,\infty)$ and try to extend that.
It should still be impossible.
 
Sorry for interrupting the conversation, but it seems like a charming idea to write vector fields as paths on the tangent bundle. Is there any interpretation of $\pi_1(TM)$ in that way?
 
Why? My main idea for choice of curve was $\gamma(-1) = \gamma(1)$, while that is not the case for the derivatives.
But you agree with the above?
 
@BalarkaSen: That's not what a vector field is. A vector field is defined over the whole manifold.
Not over a curve.
@AndrewThompson: Yes, I agree with the above, and it trivializes the problem. But the thing should still not be extendible even if you remove silly obstructions like this.
 
3:59 PM
ok, yeah, whoops.
 
Oh, trivial is enough for me at this point, but yes, I see where you are coming from.
 
@AndrewThompson: OK, here's the actual point.
Your vector field, along $x = y$, is $(x,y) \mapsto (\sqrt{x},\sqrt{y})$.
The claim is that you cannot extend this in a smooth way. But to do this it would suffice to show that there is no smooth extension of $\sqrt{x}$ to all of $\Bbb R$.
 
Which is actually also easy: the derivative would blow up at zero. yikes!
I think this was the real point here, not that $\gamma(1) = \gamma(-1)$.
 
Oh, it was not an exercise, it was my own example.
(I'm the first one in the whole universe to ever consider that curve :) )
 
4:02 PM
Unfortunately that seems unlikely.
 
But thanks, that was more than I asked for (in a good way)!
 
4:15 PM
@robjohn: Sorry for the delay. I responded to your email.
 
4:29 PM
@MikeMiller I got it, thanks!
 
Mathematical operations on binary trees represented by binary numbers, to transform them? For example if x = 1.001011 = (()()) then x + (2^7)x = (()())(()()), a couple more calculations and ((()())(()())) which is a valid tree again, although this is a very trivial adjustment that in this case is probably better done with nodes connected by references/pointers, something like square root just scrambles it and makes it invalid, I'm thinking of making a SO question perhaps to look for useful ones.
Ohh, maybe I could ask here instead, what operations (factorial, powers, reciprocal, n chooses k, etc...) on all, or just fractional binary numbers between 0 and 1 where the number of 1s in the number is equal to the number of 0s, preserves this equal ratio of 0's and 1's.
 
4:50 PM
Hi @robjohn!
 
@TedShifrin Hey there. Are you at UCLA?
 
Yessir, in the ugh heat. Here until 5 except have lunch plans 12-2.
 
@TedShifrin I am in the Valley. It was very hot and muggy there yesterday.
 
Yup. My car thermometer read 103 as I came down 101.
 
Did you get the brakes checked Professor @TedShifrin
You said you smelled burning, right?
 
4:59 PM
Will ask when I get home. Friends told me their car does the same thing and they were told to ignore it.
 
Well, as long as they don't feel "soft" you should be ok.
Top up the brake fluid too.
 
Nah, I'll let you know what they tell me next week. It's s brand new car, skull.
 
Can someone help with this ? I really have no clue...

Prove that for any polynomial $f(x)=ax^2+bx+c$,

$$ac<0\Rightarrow\exists\alpha, \beta\in\mathbb{R}, \alpha\ne\beta, f(\alpha)=T(\beta)=0.$$
 
Ramanewb, are f and T the same?
 
@ted yes sorry
$ac<0\Rightarrow\exists\alpha, \beta\in\mathbb{R}, \alpha\ne\beta, f(\alpha)=f(\beta)=0$
 
5:07 PM
Do you understand this pictorially?
 
@ted Yes, but I can't manage to get how $f(\alpha)=f(\beta)=0$
 
@TedShifrin What are you doing the rest of the day apart from lunch?
 
No plans @robjohn, but leaving at 5.
 
@TedShifrin heading back to SD at 5?
 
Where must the vertex of the parabola be, Ramanewb?
no, robjohn, that's tomorrow.
 
5:09 PM
@ted What is the vertex of a parabola ?
 
What is the graph of f?
 
hi @TedShifrin
 
Hi @Balarka
 
@TedShifrin If I leave now, it may take an hour and a half to get to UCLA, and that is just a bit before your 12-2. If I get there at 2, I need to leave by 3. It looks a bit tight today.
 
@ted a parabola
 
5:12 PM
@TedShifrin I am trying to prove that a Lie group is orientable.
 
@robjohn, I understand. We'll do it next time or in SD.
so the high or low point is the vertex, Ramanewb. How do you find it algebraically?
 
Hello all! Anyone here know a bit of a history? I just came across something that makes no sense to me as to how things progressed in this way (if what I've read is correct; I've not been able to find supportive evidence nor evidence to refute the claim...)
 
@ted ? "sothe"
 
so the ... I hate chatting on my phone.
 
Euler proved (formally) his product formula for the harmonic series in $1737$. Riemann wrote his revolutionary paper in $1859$. Then Leopold Kronecker proved $\sum n^{-s}=\prod_p (1-p^{-s})^{-1}$ in $1876$? Is this really true? If so, how did it get that way?
 
5:19 PM
@ted Alright I see what you mean now...
The easiest way I know to find where its coordonates $(\alpha, \beta)$ given by
$\alpha = \frac{-b}{2a}$ and $\beta=f(\alpha)$
 
Hello@Balarka ,hello @Ted
 
No, no. Your $\alpha$ is the coord of the vertex — not what you want.
 
hi @Remember
 
hi Remember
 
@ted Then what did you ask me ?
 
5:22 PM
In the problem, you want both $\alpha$ and $\beta$ to be roots of $f$.
 
@ted Why ?
 
read the problem!
 
Well roots are points on which the graph intersects the x-axis
 
@ted yes
 
So, using what Remember said, ... Do you know how to find the high/low point algebraically?
 
5:36 PM
@ted What do you mean find the high/low point ? The coord. of this point ?
 
@Ramanewbie I don't get your question at all . you have a quadratic equation so it should have two roots (complex or real(by fundamental theorem of algebra)). There is an added condition according to which ac<0 implies discriminant will be positive and hence distinct real roots which are $\alpha$ and $\beta$
 
@Rememberme What question ?
Do you mean the problem ?
And why would the discriminant be positive if ac<0 ?
 
Nvm.
Just do what ted told you. Think what it means for something to be a root of an equation
 
@Rememberme Alright
 
6:22 PM
@TedShifrin The high point is Friday afternoon, the low point is Monday morning.
 
6:33 PM
Haha @robjohn ... You gotta pick just one!
 
Guys I told someone to "[three letter word] off" and it's allegedly offensive. I can't think of any 3 letter swear words. Help?
 
Maybe you said a four-letter word and misspelled it
 
Doubtful.
I'd see the red underline.
The nearest I've got is "fag off" which makes no sense. It sounds like the special ritual dance-off the Village People use to resolve disputes.
 
@AlecTeal Maybe "get off" and they thought it was meant as a proposition
 
@AlecTeal It starts with an 's' and ends with a 'd'.
 
6:41 PM
*Glares @TobiasKildetoft
You, me, fag-off now.
 
@AlecTeal You seem to have a fixation on cigarettes?
 
@AlecTeal Heh, I don't smoke
 
You poor innocent things....
 
(ohh, and @DanielFischer was faster than me there)
 
Hold please, I'm jammin' bros.
@DanielFischer was it an abbreviation or a word?
 
6:44 PM
@AlecTeal A word, though it is kind of an abbreviation.
 
I've got sad, sed, sid, sod, sud, syd - none of which are a bad.
Oh "Sod off" works
 
@AlecTeal weeeeeelllllllll
 
I've cracked your code.
Right! Can I have a list of things I can say? Is 'feck orf' allowed? 'naff off'?
@FlorianPeschka you [censored] — Alec Teal 2 hours ago
Is that okay?
 
@AlecTeal That may be tolerated in chat (depends on who's present), but when a comment containing those is flagged, the comment goes. And if you do it too often, you may be sent on a vacation from the site.
 
@AlecTeal How about smeg?
 
6:48 PM
@TobiasKildetoft I always hated Red Dwarf for that (nice for knowing of RD though!) because 'smeg' is a term for ... something nasty. Trust me.
So whenever I see like a 'smeg fridge' It's like "do they even know?!"
 
Isn't there a "ma" missing?
 
You get that one!
When someone's being really pedantic or weasel-like @TobiasKildetoft I could call them "a rimmer" but I think that might go down badly :P (Flaggers sid off, Rimmer is a character)
@DanielFischer we really need to sort this though. I need some approved terms to use.
 
@AlecTeal "Please move on" would be approved. Not that it isn't possible to be rude using those words.
 
Can I say something like:
@ Giovanni stop being such a Rimmer.
No because "Please move on" doesn't convey... my ... hate(?)
"Move on immediately. (Please)"?
 
That's a good thing, Alec.
 
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