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12:00 AM
The user asked three of those crappy questions, all obviously from the same questionnaire.
 
However, I don't necessarily support the closure purely on the basis that it is an employment question. Academic integrity is different in my eyes than employment integrity.
 
We also don't know the rules of the exam.
 
I supported closure on the basis that the user did jack-all to explain his difficulties.
 
I agree it's not as bad as academic integrity. I still consider this to be some sort of breach.
 
@AsafKaragila tut tut
 
12:02 AM
@AsafKaragila Are you a professor somewhere now?
 
@JasperLoy I guess Asaf has no time for chit chat
 
12:19 AM
Quick question: are imaginary numbers considered irrational? They certainly cannot be expressed as the ratio of two integers, but something tells me that $\text{irrationals}\subseteq\mathbb{R}$.
 
@anorton Usually, when one says irrational, one refers to real numbers. But one can always define irrational in other ways.
 
Hm. ok. Thanks.
 
rsz
hi
 
Does anyone know a way to prove that the Laplace transform is holomorphic in the right half-plane without using dominated convergence?
 
@Philip: What about Morera's Theorem + Fubini?
 
12:39 AM
@TedShifrin are you there?
 
No, I'm gone.
 
Am I missing anything here? math.stackexchange.com/a/1103434/31475
Maybe I'm misreading the problem
 
Well, if $c=\pm 1$, you're screwed.
 
Right. Misreading problem.
Thanks.
 
No, not misreading. Just forgetting what composite means.
 
12:43 AM
No, I had assumed for some reason that $a,b,c >1$. I don't know why.
Wishful thinking.
 
@TedShifrin Yes, that works nicely.
 
It's a nice trick to remember in lots of contexts, @Philip.
 
Hi @TedShifrin
 
hi evinda
 
Could I ask someone something about elliptic curves?
 
12:53 AM
Not me.
 
@TedShifrin Yes, you had told me that you are not familiar with elliptic curves... :)
 
gasp snow in the forecast finally!
 
You might get a foot or two before you know it.
 
I hope so
if it's going to be this cold it may as well make something of it
 
usually, it doesn't snow so much when it's bitterly cold
 
12:59 AM
my undergrad experience says differently.
 
ok, I resign :)
 
;)
The Hudson Valley is different, though.
And it's only 29 here -- not bitterly cold, I'm just weak-willed.
 
@TedShifrin
hello
 
hi @Alizter
 
@TedShifrin Somebody asked a hilarious question in class today. We were studying rectangular hyperbolas and their parametric forms. Now it is $y=c^2/x$ and somebody asked how $y=-1/x$ could exist.
Turns out rectangular hyperbolas need c to be positive by definition
 
1:05 AM
well, that's a respectable question. The reflection of a hyperbola across the $x$-axis is still a hyperbola.
 
I see Assf was here.
 
@TedShifrin It is respectable. I am saying it was funny because we were stumped.
 
-_-
 
yup, complaining about my standard complaint that everyone ignores
oh @Alizter
stupid definition
 
But it got me thinking that perhaps a parameter t does not have to be just real
so if you had parametric equations with i in them as long as t went over all complex numebrs
 
1:07 AM
well, of course it doesn't, but in the context of a high school course like yours I would assume it was :P
 
the same hyperbola will still come out
@TedShifrin My physics grade is an A again now. Improvement from C
 
good, @Alizter
glad I helped motivate you :D
 
@TedShifrin You definitely helped :) And for that I display my gratitude.
 
I wasn't being serious.
 
@TedShifrin I was. I think your physics question helped.
 
1:10 AM
well, I'm glad you think so :)
 
I could learn a lot of mathematics by myself however it would be more difficult without guidance. I think having the opportunity to be guided is very important.
Even if it is the smallest of chat messages telling me that I am close to the answer.
Otherwise now I might be reading about fuzzy set theory because nobody has shown me a common path.
 
well, it's hard to guide without knowing interests/strengths/competences ;P
 
Which is interesting however difficult to find any serious literature on, especially for lower levels.
I am fairly sure that Category theory isn't an indexing job.
Whoever made that comment.
 
well, some of us like abstract formalism in mathematics a lot more than others of us
 
1:15 AM
Your presence in this chatroom Professor @TedShifrin is an inspiration to us all :-)
 
easy question if you've done that sort of thing, @Alizter, but otherwise totally scary
sarcasm duly noted, @skull
 
No sarcasm intended
 
@TedShifrin I have dealt with functional equations similar to that through Olympiad prep.
 
I do that in my calc theory class, always, @Alizter ... differentiate and show it has to be the exponential
 
@TedShifrin I have done this question from Spivak months ago
 
1:17 AM
good boy :)
 
Not the exact same
but standard question nontheless
 
well, he treats that functional equation for the log and then has exponentials in the exercise.
 
hmm that does ring a bell. I should reread that at somepoint. It is a fun book. But after lie is finished. I have no time for lie these days :(
TIL: LaTeX is pronounced Lay-Tech
 
Yup.
 
I have been pronouncing it like rubber for the past year and a bit then
 
1:21 AM
@Alizter that just prompted me to recall the answer I wanted to give earlier today but forgot.
 
Hey everyone, my days of combinatorics have been many, many moons ago...
...if you don't mind, I have an extremely basic question
 
Askaway
 
(in fact, I just need someone to check that I did it right, etc)
So, 15 people from one team show up to play a soccer game, but there are only 11 positions in any given soccer team
(a) How many possible different groups of 11 players could be chosen?
(b) How many ways are there to assign players to the 11 different positions on the field?
For part (a), I responded that it's 15 choose 11
 
@TedShifrin Do characteristic equations suggest a link between polynomial and differential equations as seen by galois theory?
 
Correct for (a).
 
1:26 AM
and part (b), it's $\frac{15!}{4!}$
 
Hm, why do you divide by the $4!$?
 
dunno, @Alizter
 
Akuzter is an interesting spelling :P
 
It's pronounced Lah-Tech, not Lay
 
not by me
 
1:27 AM
$15 \cdot 14 \cdot 13... \cdot 6 \cdot 5$
lol, I pronounce it Lay-Tech
 
Hmm I havn't studied them much yet but differential equations seem werid
 
Yes, that's correct.
 
@Alizter Maybe you would be interested in differential Galois theory ?
 
Thanks everyone!
 
@EspenNielsen I have dipped my nose in it and I declare it witchcraft slightly above my currently level
 
1:29 AM
But yes, $15!/4!$ is correct, but sometimes people get hung up on trying to shoehorn in permutations etc.
 
Lay-Tech is not as bad as the time that I found out Combinatorics was not spelt or read as Combinatronics
 
Combinatronics is the study and development of robotic combine harvesters for the construction of Skynet.
 
@Alizter Hmm, well, the AMS usually have readable introductions to even pretty advanced topics. Unless you already tried it, give this a shot: www.mat.univie.ac.at/~michor/kmsbookh.pdf
 
@EspenNielsen Well I have not studied differential equations yet (or analysis in detail even). I am learning Lie theory at the moment and I can barely get my head around galois theory of polynomial field extensions.
 
Guys I found a video of myself trying to answer elementary number theory problems on MSE: gfycat.com/AntiqueVioletIndigowingedparrot
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1:47 AM
@Arkamis I know the feeling...
 
2:12 AM
Could be worse @Arkamis, could be one of those hockey videos instead. You know the ones
 
@JMoravitz we don't know enlighten us :P
 
@user2692669 I mean such as (spoiler tag, somewhat graphic)
>!http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2610587/closecut_medium.gif
spoiler tag didn't work, but at least I picked a version of it where it doesn't show all the blood. The guy got an iceskate to the neck and had to be rushed to the hospital
 
@JMoravitz they should be wearing armor after that :P
 
2:27 AM
they already do, but yea., some that protects the neck and face better than they already have.
Anyways... math.
I had fun with math.stackexchange.com/questions/1103430/… and the extra curiosity question in the comments. How many different paths starting from $(0,0)$ ending at $(n,n)$ exist if the movements are right,up,down, or left 1 unit each and the total path length is $3n$.
it makes me wonder if the sequence had been studied before, but I'm too lazy to compute for the first several values of n to check oeis.org
I calculated it to be $a_n = \begin{cases}\sum\limits_{x=0}^{\frac{n}{2}}\dfrac{(3n)!}{(n+x)!(n+(\frac{n-2x}{‌​2}))!x!(\frac{n-2x}{2})!} ~~~ \text{if }n\text{ is even}\\ 0 \text{ otherwise}\end{cases}$
 
@JMoravitz Is that the clint malarchiuk or the richard zednik video?
Oh, that's the Casey Cizikas one. That's nothing.
Do yourself a favor and never look for the Clint Malarchiuk video.
 
2:43 AM
1,0, 120,0, 60984,0, 39673920, is the first several entries in the sequence. (i stopped being lazy)
i don't see it on oeis
and yea, arkamis. I tried to find a sfw gif of a hockey accident. Don't want to be in trouble for showing gore here
 
Kevin Ware's leg is at least as bad as the one you just showed
 
Yeah that wasn't fun, but it wasn't life threatening at least.
 
submit that sequence, gain mathematical fame
 
Meh, its hardly useful information though. Granted, even the brady numbers oeis.org/A247698 have an entry on oeis (standard Fibonacci recurrence relation with b(1)=2308 and b(2) = 4261, given a name as a joke on a numberphile video)
 
3:16 AM
Atiyah-Macdonald question: Page 77, proof of Proposition 6.7: In the third to last line of the proof he says if the length of a chain is $l(M)$, then it must be a composition series by ii). I don't see how it follows from ii). Can someone explain?
I checked the errata and it appears there, but then in the comments, someone says it does in fact work. Can someone tell me which is correct? I can't seem to figure it out the way it's written in the book.
 
3:32 AM
Can someone double check my reasoning: Say the chain has length $l(M)$, if it's not a composition series, it means extra submodules can be inserted, which creates a chain of length $> l(M)$, contradiction ii).
 
4:00 AM
@MikeMiller I believe it can be either way
 
4:16 AM
@robjohn No, it'a Lah-Tech, just like $0 \in \Bbb N$ :)
 
@MikeMiller I will continue laying TeX and denaturing zero.
3
 
Sacrilege!
 
4:33 AM
It's obviously "luh-tek"
 
Sure, I'll also allow that.
 
Sometimes I pronounce it glotally. Like in "l'chaim"
 
 
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5:43 AM
Can I ask this in math site?
Given a series of 30 random numbers in the ascending order - 120, 140, 220, 250, 400, 422, 451, 800, 864 etc.,
How can I resize each number of another one so the sum of final list is exactly 1000. The resized number should be a whole number. The size of each resized number should be relative to its original value. For eg. If 120 is resized to 100 then 140 should be resized to 117.
 
 
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8:22 AM
@Emrakul You realised your mistake?
 
user61230
Yeah, it was a stupid mistake.
 
user61230
Kind of embarrassing.
 
Many people realise it once they type into this room.
 
user61230
I need to math better when tired.
 
9:01 AM
Off topic: I am trying to determine what an open subset $O$ of $L^(p)(\mathbb{R})$ would look like. Does this simply mean for any $f \in L^p$ there is an $\varepsilon>0$ such that the collection of every function $g\in L^p$ in between $f-\varepsilon, f+\varepsilon$ is cotnained in $O$?
 
9:55 AM
Is the collection of Lebesgue measurable functions on the real line an open set?
 
10:53 AM
HI
 
Hello @EnjoysMath
 
How do I find an old post of mine in Math.Meta?
nvm
 
You could write keywords of your posts at search, that is on the top of the side @EnjoysMath
Hey @BalarkaSen
 
@MikeMiller @BalarkaSen i have a stupid question for u: i read somewhere that $\mathbb{Z}$ has no non-trivial finite subgroups. What is meant by this? aren't $\mathbb{Z}_2$, $\mathbb{Z}_3$, $\mathbb{Z}_5$,... non-trivial finite subgroups?
 
11:18 AM
@DanielFischer oh, you're here too..could u clarify that for me?
 
@iwriteonbananas in the original context of $(\mathbb{Z},+)$ and how addition is defined you have that $5+1=6\neq 0$ and so the "addition" in $(\mathbb{Z},+)$ is different from the "addition" in $(\mathbb{Z}_5,+)$
 
@JMoravitz ok i see thx
 
Indeed, there are subgroups, such as $(5\mathbb{Z},+)$, but there are an infinite number of elements in $5\mathbb{Z}$. Technically $\mathbb{Z}_5$ is not a subgroup, but rather a "factor group"
Which is isomorphic to $\mathbb{Z}/5\mathbb{Z}$
compare this to $(\mathbb{Q}(i),\times)$. The trivial subgroup of course, $(\{1\},\times)$ always exists and is finite, but there exists another: namely $(\{1,-1,i,-i\},\times)$ and $(\{1,-1\},\times)$
 
Interesting for a banana to talk to a solid in this chat.
 
other subgroups exist, such as $(\{2^n, n\in\mathbb{Z}\},\times)$, but again, there are an infinite number of elements in ones like these
 
11:31 AM
ok great
@JMoravitz got another question
given a continuous map $g:\mathbb{R}P^2 \to \mathbb{R}$, can we find a homotopy from $g$ to a constant map?
 
I'm not familiar with the notation $\mathbb{R}P^2$, some sort of a $\times$ or $\vee$ inbetween perhaps?
 
i mean by that the real projective plane, sometimes also written as $\mathbb{P}^2$ i think
actually nevermind, sry
found a better solution to my problem
 
As I understand, $\mathbb{R}^n$ is retractable, so there is a deformation map, h, from $\mathbb{R}\to \{0\}$. Then $h\circ g$ should be what you are looking for,
 
@JMoravitz yes thats exactly what i just realized
 
of course, taking the time variable into account and such., I'm only just starting algebraic topology, so I still need to get into the habits of writing these parametrizations correctly
anyways., I need to get onto the road. My class is having a quiz this morning, so I can't be late. Happy studying
 
r9m
11:44 AM
blegh and an ouch that hurt ... ! :'(
 
11:59 AM
Could someone look at the table of contents for Dugundji's topology: s30.postimg.org/u16dox60h/Dugundji_table_of_contents.png and tell me if it should be done before or after Lee – Topological Manifolds
It actually looks more more difficult than I originally believed
 
Anonymous
@Committingtoachallenge Hey.
 
12:20 PM
Hey @DanielFischer @ArthurFischer
Could you take a look at this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27942364/solve-recurrence-relation-without-using-the-master-theorem ?
@ArthurFischer Did you take a look at it? Because it was out of topic and I deleted it..
 
12:43 PM
Hey @robjohn
Could I ask you maybe something about asymptotics?
 
@evinda just ask.
 
@robjohn I think that I found my mistake.
I want to solve the recurrence relation: T(n)=2T(sqrt(n))+1, without using the Master Theorem.

That's what I have tried:

m=lg(n) => 2^m=n => 2^(m/2)=sqrt(n)

So we have: T(2^m)=2T(2^(m/2))+1

We set S(m)=T(2^m) and we have: S(m)=2S(m/2)+1

We will show that S(m)=Θ(m), i.e. that there are c_1', c_2'>0, n_0 ∈ N_0 such that forall m>= n_0: c_1' m <= S(m) <= c_2' m

We suppose that there are c_1, c_2>0, n_1 ∈ N_0 such that c_1 k <=S(k) <= c_2 k, for all n_0<=k<m
But we have to find the same constants as in the induction hypothesis, right?
 
@iwriteonbananas Z with addition or Z with multiplication?
@iwriteonbananas any map from any space X to R^n is nullhomotopic.
 
12:59 PM
@evinda It might be equivalent, but I would try $T(a^{2^k})=2T(a^{2^{k-1}})+1$
But only because I've dealt with $x_n=bx_{n-1}+c$ a lot
Giving the solution $x_n=c\frac{b^n-1}{b-1}+b^nx_0$
So we get that $T(a^{2^k})\sim c2^k$ which means that $T(n)\sim c\log_a(n)$
But your argument looks okay.
 
1:36 PM
@robjohn Nice, thank you!!!
@robjohn @DanielFischer
I want to find the exact solution of $T(n)=2T(\sqrt{n})+1$
By setting $2^m=n$ we get $S(m)=2S(m/2)+1$
I found that $S(m)=2^i S(\frac{m}{2^i})+ \sum_{j=0}^{i-1} 2^i$

If we would have for example $S(1)=c$, we would say that the recursion ends when $\frac{m}{2^i}=1$.

What can we do in this case?
 
2:16 PM
@evinda The method I posted above gives an exact solution if we avoid the $\sim$
 
@robjohn I haven't got taught it with sequences... :/ Do you have an idea if we can suppose that $S(1)=c$ ?
 
@evinda I have to walk my dog now, but I can when I get back if you don't have it by then.
 
A ok @robjohn
 
3:07 PM
@BalarkaSen yep because R^n is contractible
@BalarkaSen with addition
 
Hi @cirpis
Could you take a look at this?
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1104010/recurrence-relation-there-is-no-initial-condition?noredirect=1#comment2250980_1104010
 
3:32 PM
@iwriteonbananas right
 
@evinda Let $x_n=T\left(a^{2^n}\right)$. Then $x_{n+1}=2x_n+1$ which has the solution $$\begin{align}x_n &=\frac{2^n-1}{2-1}\cdot1+2^nx_0\\ &=2^n(T(a)+1)-1\end{align}$$ Therefore, $$T(n)=\log_a(n)(T(a)+1)-1$$
 
Consider the function $f$ defined by $f(x)=x^3+x+1$. Let's suppose that it has an inverse $g$ so that $g(f(x))=x$. What is $g(x)$ ?
 
@robjohn I supposed that $T(2)=c \Rightarrow S(1)=c$ and I got the same result.
I found that :

$S(m)=(c+1)m−1 \Rightarrow T(2^m)=(c+1)m−1\Rightarrow T(n)=(c+1) \lgn−1$

Thanks a lot!!!
 
^^^ how would we do this ? :) anyone ? :)
 
@TheArtist Rename f(x) as y and solve for x.
 
3:45 PM
One and only way I know is to write this as $y=x^3+x+1$ then make x the subject
 
@Fundamental Looks like some folks object to your Hölder continuity answer.
 
@evinda Yes :) but how to , for example ..... $x^3+x+1=y$ How do we make x the subject? How to solve this ? :)
 
Hello, everyone.
 
@BalarkaSen what is an isomorphism class of a covering? i only know what an isomorphism of a covering is
hi ted
 
Good night, @Mike. Hi, @Mark, bananas, et al.
 
3:57 PM
i computed the fundamental group of RP^n and S^1 today
 
Congratulations, bananas. :)
 
@TheArtist I will think about it and I will tell you..
 
thanks, it's awesome...i think they should teach that in high school
 
@evinda thanks :)
 
NO, now you're getting as bad as Chris'ssis.
 
3:58 PM
hahaha
 
any time you have an equivalence relation, bananas, there are equivalence classes.
 
in romania they learn this in 5th grade
 
Hi @MarkFantini
 
yes, but when are two isomorphisms equivalent?
 
Hi, @Ted! Hi, @evinda!
 
3:59 PM
@MarkFantini Did you take cryptology?
 
When you get a commutative diagram putting them together?
 
@evinda, nope.
 
@MarkFantini Aha
 
@TedShifrin so if the composition is also an isomorphism?
 
composition?
 
4:00 PM
@MarkFantini I hap elliptic curves this semester and I am thinking to take cryptology the next semester
 
oh im thinking about automorphisms
 
you need a map $g\colon E\to E$ so that $\pi_1 = \pi_2\circ g$
Well, time for me to go draw colored pictures for my students ...
 
One of my students showed another student a Möbius strip and he freaked out.
 
ok u got class?
 
LOL ... imagine if it'd been a Klein bottle, @Modded :)
 
4:01 PM
Morning
 
yup, class in a few minutes, bananas.
 
alright
 
Ted's got class? News to me.
 
are math here?
if i take three measurements of someones height(this is a real life applicatiion question), and i know my tool is accurate to $\pm .5$ exactly. i get $199.8,199.7,200$ i now know it is within $[199.5,200.2]$ correct?
@Mike is that so?
if i get 199.5 and 200.5 i know his height is exactly 200 as well?
 
4:07 PM
Good morning!
 
i made that same combinatronics error at first @Aliz
@MichaelLee good mourning for me though. my parrot died
i was trying to measure if for the above question, and i dropped it out the window(high) and he has clipped wings
 
Sorry to hear about your parrot, but it happens to all of use one day.
 
in the end i just made up the numbers anyway :\
@Ted @bananas @theartist can noone answer my question? can noone give me some silverlining on my parrot measurement fatality?
 
@Combinatorics I meant not to sound heartless. My pets are like family to me.
 
@MichaelLee he was a good bird and i suppose he is flying up to heaven now(despite the clipped wings)
im not religous but my parrot was btw
 
4:16 PM
@Combinatorics I'll wager he's feasting now on unlimited Pistachio nuts.
 
@TheArtist Have you got taught the Cardano's method?
 
@evinda Good luck! :)
I hope you like it.
 
@evinda Nope
 
@MarkFantini Thanks :)
 
@evinda I smell there is kinda a trick being used since they have mentioned that $g(f(x))=x$ , maybe this comes into use in anyway?
 
4:19 PM
@TheArtist Take a look at this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function#Cardano.27s_method and ask me if you have questions..
@TheArtist This the property that the inverse function should satisfy, it is the definition.
 
@evinda hmmmm....thanks a lot, yes il check that out and ask any questions :)
 
r9m
$$\dfrac{\sum\limits_{k=1}^{n} ☐_{k}}{n} = \textrm{@robjohn}$$
 
Evening, people.
 
Hey @Lord_Farin
 
Hello, @Lord_Farin.
 
4:33 PM
How are you doing today?
 
It's a bit hot here. Otherwise, good.
 
What is the maximum number of terms in an OEIS sequence? Which appear?
 
4:49 PM
@ModdedBear I'd say 77
 
I thought that they had like thousands of terms
 
but the ones I have seen have like thirty.
apparently the point of oeis is elling you what is known about the sequence and not giving you the actual sequence
 
@ModdedBear They have files you can download that have loads of entries.
 
I guess you can use your computer and the info provided to calculate more terms (for most of the sequencs anyways)
@Lord_Farin oh, good to know
 
4:52 PM
That's 500k entries for you.
 
@ModdedBear Did you previously use a different username?
 
@MikeMiller I did
it ended with z
 
Well that's not very helpful
 
it should be
it was a two word name
 
Ted Shifrinz
:3
 
4:55 PM
lol
Jorge Fernández
 
ah, gotcha
when I clicked to your profile it said I had visited it before
 
does this sequence have a downloadable file?
 
@Hippalectryon thanks
 
@ModdedBear If a sequence has, it's listed under the Links section.
 
4:59 PM
@ModdedBear Scroll down slowly, it makes nice hills :)
 

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