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00:16
@κρανίοπεριπολία Did you steal my belonging? :-)
@Karl'sstudents No, I just borrowed your artistic work.
@κρανίοπεριπολία :-) When will you return it?
@Karl'sstudents ;-)
@Karl'sstudents Who is Karl?
Gauss?
@κρανίοπεριπολία Karl is a math and chemistry high-school teacher.
He used to create the graphics in his worksheets and
exams using LATEX's {picture} environment. While the results were acceptable, creating the graphics often
turned out to be a lengthy process. Also, there tended to be problems with lines having slightly wrong angles
and circles also seemed to be hard to get right. Naturally, his students could not care less whether the lines
had the exact right angles and they nd Karl's exams too dicult no matter how nicely they were drawn.
But Karl was never entirely satis ed with the result.
@Karl'sstudents What is the name of your "image"?
00:22
@κρανίοπεριπολία google.com/…
who play command and conquer here?
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00:46
@PeterTamaroff Morning Pedro, I just woke up.
@JasperLoy Just woke up? What time is it there'
WHEW.
just got accepted to grad school, bout to write some papers with this OG.
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time to go get wrecked. catch y'all later.
01:04
@AlexanderGruber Wrecked as in wasted/drunk?
@AlexanderGruber WOW, that guy looks like DA BAWZ.
01:31
@AlexanderGruber congratulations
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01:47
@PeterTamaroff It is 0947 now.
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@anon Not sure what rules.
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OMG, Pedro got a star for saying such a normal thing?
@anon My guess is she is referring to something from this thread: meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/8740/… or this thread: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/165928/…
(It's a bit of a stretch, but possible...)
02:04
@AlexanderGruber Congratulations, Alex! :-D
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Changed to the brown square.
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@amWhy Is it a slow night again?
02:23
@JasperLoy So-so...I'm not going to worry about it! I've been staying up late these days, and sleeping in a tad, as a result.
@JasperLoy How are you?
Tim
Tim
Is there some online website that can OCR a scanned pdf book?
The one I was using is down now.
Thanks!
I am also looking for downloading this Springer book in the closest university library. But they don't have access to it. Does someone have the access to it?
http://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-1-4684-0198-1/page/1
Elements of Multivariate Time Series Analysis, by Gregory C. Reinsel
Thanks!
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02:50
2
A: How do I transform the left side into the right side of this equation?

Martin BrandenburgThere is a more conceptual explanation. The complex conjugation is an automorphism of the field $\mathbb{C}$ of complex numbers (this easy to see from any from the definitions of $\mathbb{C}$). It follows that the norm function $N : \mathbb{C} \to \mathbb{R}, z \mapsto z \cdot \overline{z}$ is a...

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Wow, this answer is deep man!
@JasperLoy I find many of his posts to be incredibly pretentious, certainly not directed to the OP or any future asker with a similar question!
@amWhy Do you not find the answer at least a little bit interesting? I appreciate when people answer a question with a more in-depth answer than required (or probably wanted) by the OP. It makes things more interesting for those of us who have finished high school algebra... :)
03:18
@anorton I know, and it is welcome. But the poster in question exclusively seems to answer in this mode, and at times, it strikes me as being pretentious and vote-seeking. And I usually appreciate when one posts a conceptual, deeper level answer, that they acknowledge that it may not seem helpful at the time...oh well, just my peeve. If you knew me, you'd know I think of everything deeply, but I try to pick and choose when and if it might be appropriate to answer on a deeper-level.
03:46
@amWhy I added an answer.
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@amWhy Ah, maybe he is naturally deep.
@JasperLoy Perhaps, but so am I, but I try to restrain myself, simply because I'm sensitive to those who are not yet deep, and their needs, too. But, to each one's own :-)
@PeterTamaroff I upvoted it, but I'm glad you "took the deeper dive" without the appearance of "vote-seeking" from other regular users...(making it CW)...plus, you qualified, not pretending the OP would "get it".
@amWhy Thanks.
@PeterTamaroff You're welcome, Pedro!
03:54
@PeterTamaroff Exactly, and if you look, there are MANY!
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My posts are the opposite of his, all of the level of 1+1=2.
He answers questions, which if his answers could be understood by the OP, wouldn't have been asked in the first place!
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math.stackexchange.com/questions/330902/… I am closing this as not a real question!
@JasperLoy Not you, Jasper! ("he answers questions...") Your posts aren't all at the level of 1 + 1 = 2! :-)
I'm off to sleep.
Bye byes, peoples of the math.
03:58
@PeterTamaroff g'night!
@JasperLoy me too!!
mfw user after user posts nonsense, or otherwise sends us on wild goose chases
04:14
Anyone knows a little geometry here?
@Sanchez Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow hey! Long time no see.
@Sanchez I miss you so much
haha
how's AG going?
starting chapter 3 of fulton
@Sanchez Gonna try some exercises in hartshorne on intersection numbers!
04:17
Nice :)
@Sanchez And my supervisor also asked me to show that the singularities of $y^2 - x^3$ and $x^2 - y^2$ are not the same
by looking at completions
ah ha
@Sanchez classification of singularities, is there one?
04:19
Well, not in your sense probably.
@Sanchez in fulton he proves some properties of the intersection number
in chapter 3
the proofs look quite long
I think there's a classification of singularities of say, surface
do you know where I can find a slick proof?
04:19
I find it weird
What is the definition of intersection number you are using?
Let $F,G$ be plane curves
then the intersection number is $\dim_k \mathcal{O}_{P}(\Bbb{A}^2)/(F,G)$
You have to localize I suppose.
In any case, don't remember this definition.
Convince yourself by whatever means that all the properties he listed are natural
it's more natural to first list those properties and then prove that your definition is the unique one satisfying all those
yea sorry he proves that the definition satisfies those properties
Oh well, then it's just a checking, ie the proof is not important. It should be pretty routine except maybe one property It hink.
yea i think it's 5
04:23
what's that?
property 5
Yeah, what's that?
@Sanchez property 5 of page 37: www.math.lsa.umich.edu/~wfulton/CurveBook.pdf
Ah I see.
@Sanchez I have a gut feeling that if you invoke some high level comm. algebra crap
that it is easier
04:26
I doubt that.
why?
I don't see how the content of this can be rephrased in "higher" language
in terms of localization?
well in that language maybe the proof is easier?
But anyway one of the exercises talks of the hilbert samuel polynomial?
04:28
I don't believe that, anyway.
That's very useful
yea
@Sanchez Really wanna learn about that crap
oh that should be quick
howcome ? @Sanchez
if you just want to know what hilbert polynomial is
I see atiyah - macdonald has stuff bout that
04:32
yeah
So you probably have read about it
@Sanchez what about completions? I haven't studied those before.
I wanna know enough of completions to show why two completions are not isomorhpic
you mean in your case of $y^2-x^3$ and $x^2-y^2$?
@Sanchez well don't tell me
but I'm asking where should I read about completions to get up to speed quickly
not sure about AM
Your question can be done by brute force I think
so it isn't like you really need to know anything about completions
ok but probably i should know about them
he's giving me all these things because he thinks fulton's book is too easy
04:35
AM should be a good place to start then (if you want to learn about artin-rees that kind of thing)
the thing is they start talking about completions of modules, graded shit
Eisenbud is always a good thing to look at.
yea
hmm maybe there then
just treat them as expand things in terms of power series
@Sanchez There's so much shit in AG
fuck
04:37
haha
good luck
I feel like
I'm standing in front of olympus mons
@Sanchez Sometimes I question if I'm even capable of doing this shit
You can, just be patient.
yea
@Sanchez I feel like there's so much shit I need to know
fuck
oh you are gonna feel that for a long time.. haha
@Sanchez man
04:41
Anyway, gotta go now. Talk to you later :)
ttyl @Sanchez
hang around more
05:08
Let $K$ be a field complete with respect to nonarchimedean absolute value $|\cdot|$. Let ${\cal O}:=\{x\in K:|x|\le1\}$ and $\wp:=\{x\in K:|x|<1\}$. Then $\wp$ is uniquely maximal and prime as an ideal of $\cal O$. I want to prove that for some $c>1$ and for all $x\in\cal O$, $|x|=c^{-v_\wp(x)}$, where $v_\wp$ is the $\wp$-adic valuation (i.e. it satisfies $(x)=\wp^{v_\wp(x)}I$ for $(x)$'s unique factorization, where $\wp\nmid I$ as ideals). Ideas?
(This is to show that every finite valued field extension of ${\bf Q}_p$ is the completion of a number field and vice-versa.)
05:51
Hey guys. Math question here: suppose you have a surface ( x,y independent, z=f(x,y) ), and any route on the surface that goes from (x1,y1) to (x2,y2) ends up at the same z value. What is this property called?
Oooh, LaTeX support for chat? $$e^{\pi i}+1=0$$
yes, we have latex support, you have to use a bookmark to activate it
that property doesn't really have a name I don't think
What do you mean by "ends up at the same z value"?
@anon Oh, excellent. Thanks!
@κρανίοπεριπολία Imagine terrain with a cave system and you're outside of it. At any point inside the cave system, there is a point on the ground above it. You walk different paths to get to those points.
@κρανίοπεριπολία meaning a path p:[a,b]->R^2->R^3 has p(a)=p(b)
path independent as opposed to path dependent
06:02
@κρανίοπεριπολία Yes.
Is there not a more-concise term for that?
path-independent ;-)
I am not sure what you are actually asking. if $z=f(x,y)$ is a function, then whatever path you approach it by on the surface, when you get to $(x_2,y_2)$, you will always have $z=f(x,_2,y_2)$.
D'oh. I guess it wouldn't strictly be a function if $(x_1,y_1) \ne (x_2,y_2)$ and $f(x_1,y_1) = f(x_2,y_2)$.
It be a one-to-one correspondence property of the function.
06:08
Something like this:
@El'endiaStarman no, that's perfectly possible for a function.
your picture shows a different type of situation though
@anon he/she probably meant to say the other thing.
presumably you want something to do with monodromy and riemann surfaces
Well, the reason I'm asking this is that I'm working on a chess engine that is intended to work with fairly arbitrary boards, which will include situations where a bishop can move one step and end up in one of two places.
then nevermind about the monodromy thing
06:15
By the way, this is the question of mine that I pulled that picture from.
it is still not clear to me what you are asking
you could call it "winding"
almost
I'm trying to think of a good way to reproduce a sample board here in chat.
As I understand, you have a surface in R^3 that looks like the above, where locally it can be given by z=f(x,y), but not globally since then it would be multi-valued, and you want a name for a path that goes from (x,y,z1) to the point on the surface directly above it (x,y,z2)
06:20
Your description of the surface is correct, but I'm looking for the term for such a surface that has such a path.
A regular chess board wouldn't have this property, and neither would one that wrapped around on all edges (topologically forming a torus).
The one I'm using as a conceptual test allows a piece to move from A1 to H8 by going across either of the corner edges.
noun: staircase. adjective: ramified.
see also these three sections for more terminology
I strongly recommend using ramified, as it is perfect for what you want, and is a very rich mathematical word.
@anon I like it. Thanks! :)
good luck on your doohickey
@anon Hehe...thaaaanks...
06:37
@JonasTeuwen Ok, I'll remember that.
07:25
@MattN. Good!
Hemingway only regretted one marriage. After signing the certificate he went across the street to a bar, and the bartender asked him 'what shall it be?' to which he replied: 'Hemlock'.
The same stuff that did in Socraties.
*Socrates
@user585104 He used hemlock as a divisor. :P
Yep ;-)
Mr. Hemingway I presume?
No, it was an OT remark. By the way, Hemingway's father, brother and sister all committed suicides.
07:37
Indeed.
@JayeshBadwaik Yes, mood disorders are quite annoying.
And the bipolary ones quite inheritable.
I believe one of his sons also did that.
What isn't inheritable?
Many things.
Loss of limbs due to trauma for instance.
07:39
I meant behaviorly...
@user585104 Are you in the party zone right now?
Many things can be, but very hard to show due to confounding.
But for bipolar disorders, you don't need much thought to notice it is.
As they tend to be very severe.
Hopefully he has more peace now.
Ohh. I'm sorry. :-(
Too many people die of that. Too bad.
Hmm. It is quite painful for the ones left over, but the person itself is in many ways better off in my opinion.
07:42
I see.
How do people die of it? Suicide? Or complications?
Yes.
Often suicide.
Otherwise heart or kidney diseases.
Things get more complicated after a while after the thyroid gland starts failing.
The connection is so strong they started research lines on the autoimmunologic aspects.
Infection markers are much increased in the blood of patients ánd their relatives (even say adopted ones).
It is even stranger: if they have children, the ones that will develop the disorder have much higher levels of those than their brothers or sisters who don't.
Adopted ones too? Curious. Contagion?
But most often, suicide kills them before anything else can :-).
No, genetic is the preliminary conclusion.
07:46
But adopted?
It's so extreme, it almost has to be neurobiological.
Oh no, I mean say separated twins, or child adopted from a bipolar parent.
So, would grow up in a 'normal' family.
okay okay... so pointing even more to the genetic link...
The suicide thing is also interested: the mood disorders run in families. But so do the suicides!
(together with the mood disorders).
You could have families with quite severe mood disorders and no suicides. The same kind of family with plenty.
Also, around the same age and method is the 'same' (usually quite violent).
That's quite peculiar: so many ways to kill yourself, but only a couple are used.
They seem to link this to 'desentisation to pain' - people that are less sensitive to pain are more likely to kill themself in combination with one of these major mood disorders.
But given all that, it still is painful. I know.
It is quite hard to set up research with such patients because you would like to separate 'disease' from 'complications due to treatment (e.g., medications)'.
For one, at least in NL, there are no patients to be found which never had treatment (treatment naive). Secondly, it would be unethical if you find one to not at least offer the treatment.
So, no placebo group?
In the latter case they all accept 'oh? there can be something done about that?'.
07:52
@JonasTeuwen I will also remember to bring ear plugs. Then I can work while the mong is giving their presentation. Just need to sit towards the back end of the room. Problem solved.
It's not really placebo, but if they with to find this inflammation markers, you would like 'clean' people.
@MattN. Yeah! Just relax.
I once brought some whisky, the professor said 'no alcohol in the room!'. I was like, alright and drank it on the spot.
3
Was not such a good idea.
The whole bottle?
@JonasTeuwen Write that in once sentence and it gets starred.
07:53
There was not much left.
Done 8-).
Still enough to get me wasted in 15 minutes.
Haha.
Just go there, if it is annoying you start listening to music or whatever (but sit in the back).
If you do the lecture yourself, you wouldn't want people to get annoyed by you, so it is ok if they do something else.
And at least, they fill up the room, looks better.
07:55
Off for lunch, see you guys later.
What age were you when you had your first drink?
Like at my master defense. One of the professors got in and before I even started he already got his crossword puzzles out.
16?
If I do the presentation and the idiot doesn't keep their face shut I'll directly address them and tell them to either stfu or gtfo.
@user585104 9? it was wine?
@MattN. Yes, that's good.
But if they are just silently doing something else 8-)).
Oh, you mean soft alcoholic beverages.
Like wine, beer.
Hmm... don't know. 14?
07:56
No, the problem with this person is that they are noisy and a complete idiot.
@MattN. Yes, kick them out.
If they were silent they wouldn't annoy me!
Perhaps they are not aware, so you should tell them.
Obviously.
Yes.
If they seem to be aware, look very pissed off.
07:56
If only the idiot wouldn't talk to me at all. I feel like every time the soundwaves collide with my ear drums my "IQ" drops by 2 points.
You know, gorilla face, with teeth etc.
Hehehe. I know the feeling.
'Don't fuq with me. I'm about to explode.' - sounds better in Dutch.
'Je moet niet met me fokken! Ik sta retestrak!'.
Strak is like when a membrane is really tight, so the 'rete' is just like 'ass', you can also replace it with a disease.
Alright, I'm off for a walk. Bye bye.
08:00
See you later!
oh the first time i asked someone to extend the discussion in chat and he doesn't come
1
1+3=4
1+3+5=9
1+3+5+7=16
08:15
ah you are proving that hte sum of all odd numbers are squares
Sum of consecutive odd integers is a square
I forgot this but was only recently reminded
again
there are a lot of nices proves for this one
How do you prove if a number is prime or not
get a big number like 12342123
?
Primality Tests the most famous one being AKS Primality Test as of now.
Can you explain that?
08:17
there are several tests
I want to get a real big number looking like a prime and see if it actually is
what's the algorith
for example you could check if it is at least a pseudo prime
a pseudo prime is?
I am sorry I am not up-to-date with the jargon
@BogusBoy There is no fixed algorithm, there are many different algorithms you can use. Starting with simple stuff such as a prime is of the form $6n \pm 1$ you can rule out majority stuff, and then apply more advanced algorithms.
you need a computer to run this stuff for you
you can't check it manually right
for big numbers?
08:19
wolframalpha PrimeQ[...]
Well, it depends, if the big numbers is 22342342348976238964287647823648726482368236482376482376482736482364823764823764‌​82736482736482376825 then you can obviously see it is not a prime.
so if you were asked to come up with 2 6digit prime number sin one minute
a number ending in 5 or 2,4,6,8,0
will never be prime
got to be
1,3,7,9
Coming up with even a 2 4digit prime numbers will be difficult for me in one minute.
Use The Sieve...
08:21
what's that
of Eratonese
@user585104 that would be too length again, but good point
erastotels sieve
ok I read that
1
1+3=4
1+3+5=9
1+3+5+7=16
helped some apple engineer to come up with a way to quickly draw circles
how could it?
$(x)^2 + (y)^2 = 1500^2$, $1500$ is in pixels
Now you want to draw the circle, what do you do?
x=0, then $y = \sqrt{1500 - x^2}$
Now, either you need a Floating Point Unit (which is an expensive in time computational resource) to find the square root
08:26
FPU?
or you can use some kind of approximation using integers using the above property.
hmm
But I still don't get how "sum of consecutive odd numbers is always a perfect square" insight can help you draw circles quickly
I forget exactly how he did it, and I am not able to find the link to that story right now. but the idea is this recursive relation helps save time
\begin{align}
&x_n=x_{n-1}+1 &y_n^2=y_{n-1}^2- 2x_{n-1}+1
\end{align}
Instead of calculating squares all the time
I do not exactly remember what he did with the square root, but he used some similar trick.
ok
I have another question
if you are asked to find out all the colors(hex values) on this page that are in the form of a rectangular band and have area greater than a given minimum. How would you approach it? Like my previous chat is a light bluish band that must be a part of the result.
you have a png snapshot of this chat page
Hello
got that sir. Thanks
@BogusBoy there are many image processing techniques for this. There are two methods, you can either scan by line, which can be a good method too, or you can detect borders using delta algorithms and then determine the color inside the borders and the area of rectangles enclosed by the borders. The second technique is much more general since it allows you to detect a lot of shapes apart from rectangles.
08:41
Hmm
By delta algorithms I meant edge-detection.
@JayeshBadwaik Thanks
I learned a few good things today. Now I have to go back to work.
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09:17
So many zombies in this chat.
Not enough bananas :-D
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I got some new meds today.
Have you tried them yet?
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Just popped some in.
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09:21
Yes, together with the bananas in my fridge.
Bananas are good for you.
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I saw a user today with two different profiles, maybe they are siblings and associated their accounts.
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One is A aged B on site C, and the other D aged E on site F.
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So I see the different profiles when I click on C and F which are associated.
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09:26
Or maybe this guy has split personality...
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Or maybe they are just fake profiles...
user19161
Hi! It is better to ask nontrivial questions on the main site.
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Chat is for trivial questions and long discussions.
how are you
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09:27
Me? I am bad, thanks for asking. Why am I bad? That is my secret...
can i help you ?
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@Vrouvrou No, only I can, and maybe God.
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@DominicMichaelis Hi! How are the pancakes?
all eaten :(
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09:30
Well done! They must be delicious.
they have been
i ate as much till my stomach hearts :D
^_^ as we say i my country "incha allah"
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@Vrouvrou What language is that?
Arabic
i'm from Algeria
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Ah, I was guessing too.
09:36
tell me you know something about the use of differential geometry in critical point theory ?
09:48
i hope he doesn't try to find a pattern math.stackexchange.com/questions/331063/…

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