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12:03 AM
@anon You there?
 
yeah
 
@anon This is really sad but, how does one deduce that $|\sin x|,|\cos x|\leq 1$ using the Pythagorean id. and the duplication formulas?
I get one part
$$\cos 2x = {\cos ^2}x - {\sin ^2}x = 1 - 2{\sin ^2}x \leqslant 1$$
 
What's your definition of sin, cos? Do you have sin^2+cos^2=1?
 
@anon Yes, yes.
 
The latter shows sin^2,cos^2<=1, so...
 
12:14 AM
@anon =P
@anon Kill me with fire, please.
 
@KannappanSampath It's called La Hire's line. The degenerate hypocycloid with "two cusps".
 
@anon Ok, this might be less trivial:
$$\frac{a}{n}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {\cos \frac{{ka}}{n}} < \sin a < \frac{a}{n}\sum\limits_{k = 0}^{n - 1} {\cos \frac{{ka}}{n}} $$
Oh, nevermind.
 
@PeterTamaroff Did you find out what the difference was between " : " and " | " ?
 
@skullpatrol No. I woke up sick and didn't go to uni today, though I had the "Social Studies" course, not any math-related course.
 
@PeterTamaroff I hope you feel better soon :-)
 
12:26 AM
@skullpatrol Yeah, I'm not that bad (had a 38ºC fever). The "bad" part is that I have to reprogram some tenis classes.
 
1:08 AM
Not as flashy as the one you showed, but it's a start.
 
 
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2:41 AM
@J.M. That can be worked into a proof of the inscribed angle theorem...
 
 
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4:09 AM
@robjohn how? Do you mean that inscribed angle theorem can be proved from this or the converse?
 
4:22 AM
never mind, got it. =)
 
@anon The lie algebra $\mathfrak{o}_n(\Bbb{R})$ is semi simple yes?
 
4:56 AM
@BenjaLim hey, you're the one studying lie theory, not me
3
 
5:56 AM
@anon just checking i'm pretty sure my lecturer made a mistake
 
Somebody wants to rid the world of certain people eh?
There's an app for that,
It's called "Get a life" :)
 
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@BenjaLim Why don't you ask him?
 
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@joker @roland Hi! Surprised to see you guys here from Ubuntu.
 
Hi.
I see someone talking about Debian and Mint in here.
 
user19161
@jokerdino We met before. But I changed my username...
 
6:09 AM
@WillHunting Jasper Loy I know.
 
user19161
@jokerdino I deleted my Ubuntu account. Because I don't think I want to use Ubuntu OS anymore.
 
@WillHunting Ah, you deleted a bunch of accounts.
 
22 hours ago, by Matt
@J.M. I don't know what I'd do. I've not had the chance. Although I have quite a long list of people whose funeral I'd like to attend...
That was why I was in here :)
 
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@RolandTaylor I'm sure he was not talking about you. Just let him voice his frustrations a bit.
 
@WillHunting no... you don't understand, it was flagged.
It has nothing to do with who he was talking about, but what.
 
6:12 AM
@WillHunting I don't know for sure but I think I recognize your gravatar or something o.O
 
@WillHunting I just sent an email out today
I am 100% sure if $n=3$ it is not semisimple
 
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@BenjaLim To me?
 
no to my lecturer
 
user19161
Aww, sad.
 
Because for $n= 3$ you have that $\mathfrak{o}_3\cong\mathfrak{so}_3\cong \mathfrak{su}_2 \cong (\Bbb{R}^3 , \times)$
where $\times $ is the cross product
that clearly has no ideals
 
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6:14 AM
@RolandTaylor Well, I think it's OK to say something like that in this chat room.
 
7:48 AM
Hello everybody!
 
Hi @Nimza - it is a bit quiet here today
 
@OldJohn hi, I see... Maybe because it is a first day of study (in Russia, for example)?
 
@Nimza Interesting - I didn't know that. I have some Russian relatives, but they are no longer students
Students start later in the UK
 
@OldJohn when?
 
School students start in a few days - university students in 2-3 weeks time, I think
 
7:53 AM
Didn't know that too :)
I can't find something like "parallelogram of periods" in english wiki. Maybe one uses other word for that thing?
 
@Nimza is that period parallelogram for things like elliptic functions?
 
yes
 
maybe "lattice" might help
 
@Nimza yes, it's also called a "period parallelogram" in English. Sometimes the adjective "fundamental" is added.
 
is this relevant?
 
8:00 AM
yes, thanks!
 
I was reading up on them recently in Apostols 2nd vol on analytic number theory - a nice easy introduction, I think
 
I read Kurant, Gurvitz. Nice and easy book too
 
@Nimza Is that the Russian transcription of Courant and Hurwitz?
 
@OldJohn oh sorry. Yes)
 
 
8:03 AM
I remember being confused reading about "Gardy" instead of Hardy in a Russian book :)
 
Something I did a while back to illustrate double periodicity...
 
Nice donut!
 
@J.M. That's nice - I used to get confused by the torus thing for elliptic functions many years ago
 
@Nimza Yes, I painted on a contour plot of the Weierstrass elliptic function on the torus. :)
@OldJohn Me too, that's why I wanted to do that diagram in the first place...
 
@OldJohn yeah) In Russia Harry Potter is Garry :D
 
8:05 AM
@J.M. Many years ago I remember being ridiculously confused by quotient spaces in topology :(
@Nimza Yes! - I once bought a Russian version of the first Harry Potter book - but not managed to read more than a few pages so far
 
@RolandTaylor Bah, people these days are too sensitive... :)
 
hehe)
 
@OldJohn Can't help you there, I still am. :D
 
@Nimza so I went back to rather simpler Russian :)
I am now happily confusing myself with algebraic number theory - often feel that I am getting nowhere
 
I have one fundamental deadlock. Is there some everyday's life idea hiding in Fubini's rule $\langle a \otimes b, x \rangle = \langle a , \langle b, x \rangle \rangle$ ?
@OldJohn I'm pleased that we have a tendence to tell names from country X like one tells it in X. For example some years ago we pronounced Neumann "N-e-i-m-a-n" and now he is mostly "N-o-y-m-a-n"
 
8:19 AM
@Nimza Sorry - can't help with that one
@Nimza I agree it is nice to pronounce names like they are in th eoriginal.
 
Lotka-Volterra is an exception)
 
My wife always mis-pronounces Zhukov as Zukov (after we saw his statue in Moscow)
 
:)
 
@Nimza Note that "Neyman" and "Neumann" are two very different mathematicians. ;)
 
I once totally failed to understand a lecture because I didn't recognise that when the lecturer spoke something like "Zeeloff", he was actually talking about "Sylow" which looks as if it should be pronounced totally differently in English :(
 
8:22 AM
@J.M. I'm about John von Neumann )
 
@Nimza I know; just noting, since you said it was pronounced "Neyman" at one point... :)
 
@OldJohn you said it yet)
 
probably
 
@J.M. "Something I did a while back to illustrate double periodicity..." - do you know, is there some 4-periodicity if we consider quaternionic functions instead of complex, providing us 2-periodicity?
 
8:38 AM
@Nimza I believe we can only have up to "double periodicity"; no "triply periodic" functions or anything more. Jacobi proved this, IIRC.
 
one more mathematical disappointment for me :(
 
@Nimza ah but these "disappointments" usually mean that there is some deeper result which compensates for the disappointment :)
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8:53 AM
@OldJohn of course)
 
Back later
 
9:31 AM
Hi guys!
@J.M. You will never guess which of the goodies helped most against these infections 8-).
John Senior. Hmm.
 
10:01 AM
@JohnSenior So Kannapan convinced you to change your nickname?
 
10:25 AM
@JonasTeuwen Hi, sorry I fell asleep. So, which?
 
Still not gone, but much much less.
 
@JonasTeuwen Interesting...
 
@J.M. This is a cool guy.
Additionally there are no smurfs anymore in our forest.
You know the ones with nasty warts in the face... blue trolls.
 
Ah, good to hear. :)
 
Holy five cows.
Anyway... I wonder. Are there yeasts which are like very orange?
Not whitish yellow but orange. Like real orange.
I need it for my cake, you know.
 
10:32 AM
@JonasTeuwen Yeasts... no. Actual mushrooms... yes.
 
W...hat?
 
Real mushrooms. The problem is that they cause diarrhea when eaten, so no putting them in the cake.
 
Perfect.
I know those! I harvest shrooms.
@J.M. Did you know about the connection the guy above his research is about?
 
10:47 AM
@JonasTeuwen Autoimmune diseases?
 
@J.M. In combination with the major mood disorders.
 
@JonasTeuwen Ah, yes. That's a relatively recent theory, that the white cells are tweaking the neurons...
 
@J.M. Yes.
And the other way around.
 
@JonasTeuwen Does "affine" mapping simply mean a linear function?
 
$ax + b$.
 
10:55 AM
@JayeshBadwaik in other words, there's an additional translation term
 
11:12 AM
hello
 
11:22 AM
@JayeshBadwaik Yep - Kannapan - and others
 
11:44 AM
Spent so much time constructing example. Now realised it's all broken : (
 
user19161
@Matt Sometimes, what is wrong seems right at first. But also, sometimes, what is right seems wrong at first.
 
user19161
Hi @JohnSenior I noticed your name change!
 
@WillHunting yes - some people didn't like calling me old :)
 
user19161
Now why do I have spam from a Russian dating site? :-)
 
12:25 PM
@WillHunting I know what you did in this internet season!! :D :P
@J.M. Yup,
@JonasTeuwen Yeah.
I have always thought Affine Transformation must be something very intricate whenever I came across them in the papers I read something I would have to really study. Now, it feels kind of silly to know I have dealt with them for so long. *sigh*
 
@JayeshBadwaik Sometimes, it's just the names that sound complicated, when the ideas are actually very simple...
 
 
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2:44 PM
Hey @peter! Wassup?
 
@WillHunting Just passing by,
 
3:05 PM
Great. A statistics course uses a book which got bad review on Amazon and library hasn't it. I don't know if I should buy it.
 
@JaakkoSeppälä which book is it? Amazon reviews are not always the "last word" on books :)
 
@JohnSenior introduction to the practice of statistics
 
@JaakkoSeppälä Not all the reviews are bad ...
 
@JohnSenior True. I just have no idea is it worth of buying for the course as this is my first course in statistics but on the other hand I know for example Lebesgue integration theory and I like rigorous maths books.
 
@JaakkoSeppälä Hmm - it looks like that book is definitely not in the rigorous category
 
3:15 PM
I like the book amazon.com/Statistical-Inference-George-Casella/dp/0534243126/… but I think it won't be suitable for that course.
 
@JaakkoSeppälä yes, that book seems to be in a different class altogether
 
4:01 PM
@JohnSenior The change! Why!
 
@JonasTeuwen Oh - some people didn't like calling me "old" (although I am) - and I quite like a change sometimes
 
Oh.
Who is John Junior?
 
@JonasTeuwen My son :)
 
Aha. But not here, not here.
 
4:03 PM
My son is also called John - and also did a PhD in maths/computing - my family are not known for their originality :)
 
:o
 
@anon nice!
and in fact, in our family there was also another John with the same surname (my father's cousin) - who did a PhD in maths - but that was applied maths, so I don't count it :P
 
@JohnSenior 8-).
My PhD is also in applied maths.
 
@JonasTeuwen yes - but not that applied :)
 
Very applied.
 
4:08 PM
yes - but it has stuff like measure theory and harmonic analysis in it :)
 
user19161
The heat equation is applied.
 
user19161
Only the cold equation is pure.
 
@WillHunting but there is a lot of analysis involved there too
 
@JohnSenior Hmm... Yes.
 
user19161
I am beginning to think that anon is actually a girl...
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4:10 PM
Poincaré's conjecture is by heat flows proven. Roughly...
 
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@Jonas Why don't you use your new pic as avatar?
 
@WillHunting Hello!
 
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@GustavoBandeira Hi hi.
 
@robjohn Someone suggested this question is a phyisics question. Can you migrate it to PSE?
 
user19161
@GustavoBandeira Asking about units?
 
4:13 PM
Does the Rational root test work if there are more than one variable?
 
@WillHunting What you mean?
 
user19161
@GustavoBandeira Oh, never mind.
 
Only moderators can migrate questions, right?
 
user19161
Yes.
 
@WillHunting Yes, to only moderators can migrate questions, that anon is a girl or that the Rational root test work with more than one variable?
 
user19161
4:18 PM
@MaoYiyi Your name sounds familiar at first, but on second thoughts not so. Yes to mod migration.
 
@WillHunting you likely forgot the stupid (poor) questions I have asked before. hehe
 
user19161
@MaoYiyi Nah, I know someone called Maoyu.
 
@WillHunting I can see the confusing
Does anyone know about schools in South Africa?
 
user19161
@MaoYiyi Confusion would be the word there.
 
@WillHunting thanks.
 
4:36 PM
@JonasTeuwen If you haven't tried to read/(re)write BLAS code atleast once, it ain't applied enough :P
@JohnSenior What do you say?
 
You're crazy.
 
@JayeshBadwaik about BLAS? - never heard of it :)
 
@JohnSenior http://www.netlib.org/blas/
Its variant GotoBlas is supposedly the fastest linear algebra library available.
 
@JayeshBadwaik OK - my only use for linear algebra nowadays is for applications to number theory - rather limited.
 
@GustavoBandeira Thanks, I've left a message for the Physics mods. I will migrate it if they want it.
 
4:42 PM
@JohnSenior Hmm. Nice. Primality Algorithms?
 
@JayeshBadwaik I looked into primality and factorisation algorithms a few years ago, but have not kept up to date - I looked at quadratic sieve, but not number field sieve, for example
 
Okay.
 
 
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6:20 PM
Welcome @Garett!
Are you new here?
@GustavoBandeira oi!
 
@MeAndMath Olá. =)
 
@GustavoBandeira What's up?
 
I'm doing a new question - dumbness is not allowing me to understand it alone.
 
What is it?
the question
 
6:35 PM
It should be simple, let me finish it and I'll give you the link
 
ok.
 
anyone who would like to field a few questions from statistics?
 
Depends.
@user34522 it's a good idea,though.
 
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Q: Correlation coefficient between variables X and Y

user34522I have an exam at school in 2 days and I am stuck on a question from an old paper.I would appreciate some help in this regard. If $x'$ and $y'$ are the deviations of the variables X and Y about the means, $s_1^2$ and $s_2^2$ are the variances of variables $X $ and $Y$,the correlation co-efficien...

here it is
@MeAndMath, do you think you are interested?
 
@user34522 I think so.
 
6:39 PM
I m in a bit of trouble with 2 or 3 uestions
*questions
that is one of them
I have posted another one
>.<
 
Yeah,i have some problems with stat too...but let me see it.
@user34522 Do you have a test soon?
 
yes
in 2 days
Do you have a test?
 
I had a test
 
ok
 
friday,yesterday.
@user34522 Do you use any book?
 
6:44 PM
I do,But it is not standard
 
what book is it?
 
it is called Introduction to Statistics
by Giri and Banerjee
 
ok
 
(an Indian high school level book)
 
did you try anything about this exercise?
 
6:46 PM
well, I think I am not very sound at the theor
y
so, I am having problems.
 
well,let's see the definition of correlation
 
$cov(x,y)/\sqrt{var(x)}\sqrt{var(y)}$?
 
$$\frac {cov(X,Y)}{\sigma_x\sigma_Y}$$
yes
 
@MeAndMath
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/189755/where-are-the-variables-inside-the-parentheses-coming-from
 
@GustavoBandeira são os coeficientes,não?hein?
@user34522 if you expand using what you have,maybe we go somewhere.
 
6:51 PM
looks like i am lost
:(
 
@user34522 what exactly is your problem?defs,how to proceed ...?
 
i have no idea why i am clueless
 
get in here
 
perhaps i can benfit from studying solutions
 
you have the means and the standard deviation ,right?
 
6:55 PM
I think there x'=x-x bar
 
did you see the link
?
 
I did.
I already know that.
 
so ,reallize that you have to put your values there
 
@MeAndMath, can you please suggest a standard reference for such things?
 
so it seems to see Latex here i need to download the add on pastebin for firefox
 
6:56 PM
(like bivariate analysis))
 
@user34522 What kind?proofs?
 
yes, a text
or something ith proofs
 
i use a portuguese text...from a brazilian author...
 
oh.
I can read English .
 
people like Feller...
 
6:59 PM
@MeAndMath Sei não.
 
Isn't Feller a probability text?
 
@user34522 acho que sim,$ax^2+bx+c$...daí $$
@user34522 yeah
 
@MeAndMath,I did not understand what you said
 
@user34522 I said it is the probability...i used a book by the author called "Bussab"
 
oh thanks
I hope you can post a solution there.
I will be very grateful
 
7:05 PM
yes,yes!
 
i posted 2 more questions.
:(
i need answers to 3 .I think some questions will be closed
 
Are you completely lost?
 
i think yes.
perhaps because it is 12:40 am
now
 
Are yoou kidding?
 
no,
 
7:08 PM
It's 16h40 here heheheh
 
I am serious.
 
where a re you from?
 
India
 
Super cool!
do you know how to operae with sums?
sommations?
 
yes
 
7:10 PM
that's the thing here.
you have to expand ,using the definitions.
The proofs i made in stats are basicly like that
they arae quite easy,forward.
 
hm.Is this one easy?
 
Show me the other exercises you have.
@user34522 Think it's medium.
 
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Q: Calculating $tan 2\theta$ in terms of correlation co-efficients and variances

user34522I know I am asking a few questions and I apologise for that.However I shall try to read the solutions and know the loopholes in my theory. Here it is: If $u=x\cos \theta+y\sin\theta$ and $v=y \cos \theta-x\sin\theta$. The variables $u$ and $v$ are uncorrelated, then how may I prove that $$\tan 2...

0
Q: Product of standard deviations

user34522Suppose $u=cx+dy\dots \boxed{1}$ and $v=cx-dy\dots \boxed{2}$ and $r$ is the correlation co-efficient between $x$ and $y$.If $u$ and $v$ are not correlated, then can I prove that $$s_us_v=2cds_xs_y\sqrt{1-r^2}$$ where $s_j$ is the standard deviation of variable $j$? I do not seem to be getting ...

these two
meanwhile let me try expanding
the first
 
ok.
I'm trying the second,hang on...
 
ok
thank you
 
7:18 PM
You're welcome!
 
@MeandMath, oh gosh, the first question is very simple
I just expanded it and got it
Thanks!
 
@user34522 Congratulations!!!!!
I told you so!
Very good!
 
thank you.time to write down the solution and attack no 2.
 
It's a pleasure to help!
This is funny,isn't it?!
 
which part?
 
7:22 PM
solve things!
 
yes
let me try the tan 2 theta problem
 
we know that $tan 2a=\frac{2tan a}{1-tan^2 a}$
 
yes
in fact,if we divide numerator and denominator by s_x^2
we are looking at something interesting
 
how $u$ and $v $ are uncorrelated,the coeficient is zero
 
right?
cov(u,v)=0
 
7:27 PM
I'm not sure...
@user34522 yep
just a soft question:are you in high school?/
 
yes
i am in high school
 
jesus!
 
why?
any reason behind surprise
?
 
I would like to learn these thiing while in high school...
 
you are in college?
 
7:31 PM
yes
Is the study in India that good?I heard good thing about it.
 
Well, general education in India is good
if you can afford it.
 
interesting.I never proved anything in math in school....
 
Statistics is taught in grade 10, 11 and 12
in India
 
I saw few things of stats...
Math education ,in schools,here,is very poor...
Well,India has its name in the story of math.
 
no Fields medalists from India yet'
we lag behind in math
:)
I think i need to go to sleep.It is 1 am now.perhaps someone will solve the other two questions/
Thanks for helping me
@MeAndMath
:
 
7:37 PM
It was a great pleasure!
 
)
if you have a solution to the other two please post i
 
good sleep and let me know if you solved!I wanna know the answer!
 
t
there
 
I wil work more1
 
ok bye
 
7:41 PM
@GustavoBandeira já se resolveu?
@skullpatrol hello!
 
@MeAndMath Hi!
 
how r u?
 
Fine thanks, and you?
 
everything fine.
 
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