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01:54
I am going to bed. Good night @peter @jayesh!
02:41
@JasperLoy good night
only missed by 50 minutes
Yee-haw! I have 900 answers :-)
 
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05:37
@JasperLoy night. Late by 4 hours. :P
@PeterTamaroff How did you get this?
9 hours ago, by Peter Tamaroff
$$\frac{1}{{1 + {x^2}}} = \frac{1}{{1 + {x^{4n + 2}}}}\sum\limits_{k = 0}^{2n} {{{\left( { - 1} \right)}^k}{x^{2k}}} $$
@robjohn nice. :-)
@JayeshBadwaik Thanks!
Using the sum of a geometric series, we get
$$
\sum_{k=0}^{2n}(-1)^kx^{2k}=\frac{1+x^{4n+2}}{1+x^2}
$$
05:56
@robjohn Ohh. Alright.
@OldJohn India alone adds a population equal to the whole of australia every year, the statistics were correct 10 years ago, the last time the census was taken in India,now I am guessing it will be even more. Actually last time the census was taken was in 2011, but the data has not been completely analyzed from that one I would guess.
 
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07:29
@JayeshBadwaik As often, my knowledge is out of date :)
07:42
@OldJohn we are simply out of date :-)
@robjohn But not past our sell-by-date - our experience usually compensates :)
@OldJohn sure. We are the Elders
@robjohn :)
08:41
@robjohn: are you around?
@Ilya Hey there! haven't seen you in a while :-)
 
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10:12
How can browse questions on which a bounty was offered but has probably now expired or was rewarded? Is there any way to do that?
 
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user19161
12:18
I think this question will hit the multicollider soon. math.stackexchange.com/questions/205953/…
@JasperLoy pardon my ignorance, but what is the multicollider?
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@OldJohn Ah, it is a term used on SE to mean the list of hottest questions that appear on stackexchange.com. You can see them in your "global inbox" on the top left when you are logged in to any site as well.
@JasperLoy Ah - thanks
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@OldJohn The hottest questions from ELU are usually those that involve sex.
@JasperLoy what a surprise - and those from MSE don't :)
user19161
12:34
I gave another variation of the answer.
user19161
12:57
Well, on second thought, it is too similar so I deleted it. =)
user19161
There are only three people in this room now, amazing!
13:22
@JonasTeuwen Thanks a lot for the advice to use mendeley.
@JasperLoy now there will be only two, leaving for dinner, bye.
bbl
13:42
Hey guys
I have to solve this with the quadratic formula.
$4x^2-2x-14=0$
I got $x=\frac{2+2\sqrt{57}}{8}$
As you can see, It is irrational.
My math book says, "Express the roots exactly using fractions and radicals. In the next blank, express the roots as decimals, rounded to the hundredths' place."
How can I simplify my answer so that it is a simpler fraction? What do they mean by "Express the roots exactly using fractions and radicals"?
14:00
Good evening.
Hello @JayeshBadwaik. We haven't met for...
Good morning.
@WannabeMiniMathematician Hello.
long time no see. Also, change your screen name!!
@Jayesh: Wait till October 25th. :(
@WannabeMiniMathematician ohh.
@JayeshBadwaik Now we should write a nice plugin for emacs.
So that the AucTeX bindings go look in the SQLite DB (better than the API for this), and if found exports the bibtex and stores it locally.
14:16
There exist two types of people:
1) Those who are in this category.
2) Those who are not.
Not if your category is a fuzzy category
14:37
Hello again...
$x^2-c=0\\
x\stackrel{?}{=}\sqrt{c}
$
@JonasTeuwen For now, what I have got is good enough for me, in the sense that it is not hindering my work as of now. If I want to go further, I have some other bigger plans. For example, implementing a tagged file system.
Yes, we do need an auto-inserter though, it should be fairly simple, I don't know too much Emacslisp however.
@DantheMan duh!
Why in the world did my mom mark this one wrong???
$\pm$
14:53
@Helmut Isn't that implicitly there?
No?
@DantheMan No, $\sqrt{c}$ indicates the positive square-root of c.
@JayeshBadwaik Oh ok. thanks.
@DantheMan Also something from long ago.
Sep 11 at 13:07, by Jayesh Badwaik
NEVER FORGET!!
I should have gotten that thank you. What a gyp.
14:55
@JayeshBadwaik Hahaha yes... How did you find that so fast?
Google search.
site:chat.stackexchange.com "NEVER FORGET"
Wow. I wouldn't have thought of that.
Its no biggie, you would learn with age.
$-12=4\sqrt{x^2-7}$ now what?
Square both sides?
15:36
@DantheMan How can a sqrt be negative??
(well, it can, but....)
@PeterTamaroff Huh?
$-3=\sqrt{x^2-7}$
@DantheMan We usually consider positive sqrts, but we're OK here.,
So you want $x^2-7=9$
Yes.
bingo
I already got it, but thanks
And it gets easier when you have $x^2 - 16 = 0$
Voila! $(x + 4)(x - 4) = 0$
15:47
@JayeshBadwaik Tagged file system? Did you read my ramblings about that?
I have it!
I wonder how you would want to do that. I'd use FUSE.
Anyway, the emacs thingie can be quite cool.
Awesome actually.
16:26
@JonasTeuwen Yup, emacs plugin would be awesome. I read your rambling about the tags, I would implement in fuse too (or can be implemented even lower). My design is quiet similar to yours, however, I have some ideas which may make it possible to avoid the sql and hence, allow for a completely independent code. SQL implementation is too inviting for problems. Let's see.
@WannabeMiniMathematician 9 overs 40 runs? What do you think? Can we defend it?
@JayeshBadwaik I agree with the SQL. There is little relation needed.
I would not implement it any lower as you would still like to have the files in a "normal file system" which can handle the type of files you want really well. All you need to implement is a kind of mapper.
Hi all
Hi.
And preferable also expand it.
@JonasTeuwen Yes, me thinks too. But the design I have been working out can be implemented at a lower level too. So, I may not implement it, but I just think it can be.
"My question is about the tensor product of Banach spaces but actually I do not understand those either, so let me rephrase it as a Hilbert space question." XD
16:36
I don't see the need to do any kernel interaction which the FUSE module doesn't do.
@JonasTeuwen Yup. I agree.
@JayeshBadwaik A NoSQL thing might be better as what you would like to do with tagging is like a "real life mapping" of your files.
Without relational stuff. You just put it in a file.
And that can be: bookshelf, but also the box on the bookshelf.
You don't put a note in some box where you go first that says "look there!" and then there again...
I would implement those as some extended file properties.
But then you might need lower level, is that what you mean?
@JonasTeuwen Yes, that is what I meant.
Those properties would be like a JSON thingie.
Yes, but you could perhaps do that two-fold: the normal file system and then add the extended file properties (already implemented).
And then a userland file system that just makes tags possible.
Which would read the extended file properties from the underlying file system.
No shit with SQL :-).
@PeterTamaroff Yes.
16:40
That was the idea as well?
While we are at it, we can use python bindings to FUSE.
And do the whole thing in python!
@JonasTeuwen this is Dog.
Goodbye India. Try out in 2013.
@WannabeMiniMathematician du Plessis goes but damage done.
@PeterTamaroff What?
@JayeshBadwaik: :(
16:43
@JonasTeuwen Yup, exactly what I was thinking. I have done some code in C++, but python might be better.
@OldJohn Can you help me in ignorance? 8-).
No need for C++, I would say.
Might be harder, Python has dictionaries.
@JonasTeuwen I think my ignorance is much greater than yours!!
@OldJohn Oh?
@JayeshBadwaik And a python dictionary is basically just a thing with "here is your stuff!"
But I am always ready to listen :)
But... I don't know how good the extended file system properties are, you might have to store some extra information elsewhere. That would say "here is the other stuff".
@OldJohn Oh, I have linked it a bit higher :-).
16:46
@JonasTeuwen Hmm. Yup. So, for the precise reason, I have a little different design that does all of that and some more. It is basically, "here is your stuff, this is the stuff related to your stuff and this is the stuff your stuff is related to (which is a different thing)"
I'm afraid, but this one, again, is a bad chemical joke.
@JayeshBadwaik: 14 more...
@WannabeMiniMathematician Its not caustic, so its okay.
@JayeshBadwaik I like the idea. Can I help?
@JayeshBadwaik: LOL!
Still we have hopes to count on!
@JonasTeuwen I'm still trying to understand your new question :)
16:50
@JonasTeuwen Of course. Actually, in the end you might end up contributing more to it, so think of it as an equal colloboration. I am writing out my ideas, will upload them as soon as I am done writing.
@OldJohn It is no good? 8-(.
@JayeshBadwaik On github! 8-).
Just the README.
@JonasTeuwen Yup!
@JonasTeuwen I am sure it is good - but I am struggling
Hmm... I thought it was quite simple. What is not to be understood?
@JonasTeuwen tensor products!
16:52
@OldJohn That is just a word I use to make me look smart. I don't know what those are!
@JonasTeuwen me neither :(
@JayeshBadwaik: What if India wins?
@WannabeMiniMathematician doesn't matter. We have to win by 31 runs. We will go out on NRR.
another wicket goes.
@WannabeMiniMathematician but the situation is hopeless now.
@Jayesh: Yeah, I was wondering if India could really go within 121.
oh no
no ball
=(
I am not watching anymore.
@JonasTeuwen :)
@JayeshBadwaik What are you talking about?
Sports?
16:56
Cricket?
@PeterTamaroff cricket. T20 world cup. India are going out (unless there is a miracle and rain comes in or something).
@OldJohn Indians. What else? 8-).
@JonasTeuwen :P :P
@JonasTeuwen and British are also crazy about the game ...
I know... 8-).
17:04
@JonasTeuwen What about Netherlands? apart from eredivisie?
Nothing else.
I mean apart from football?
Rowing perhaps.
And ice skating.
Son of a holy cow, nobody even commented on my question 8-(. Is it that bad?
I like dutch league football, its entertaining to watch. Quiet more free flowing than british.
Mmm, I have never watched it.
17:06
@JonasTeuwen ???
user19161
@JayeshBadwaik There can be miracles when you believe.
@JasperLoy Unfortunately, in a game, both sides can believe.
Going out to eat - back in a while
@OldJohn Enjoy.
17:32
Hello!
@JayeshBadwaik
@JasperLoy
@JonasTeuwen
@robjohn
Hey,jonas!
@Charlie boa tarde
(if that is right)
Jonas, you said that you drink in the chess club,right?Have you ever played drunk?
@JayeshBadwaik it it ,it is!!!!!!!!!!\o/
@JayeshBadwaik Shubh Ratri (is that right?)
@Charlie Yes, I have.
17:40
@JonasTeuwen hehehe
@Charlie Yup.
@JayeshBadwaik YAY!!oh my!
@Argon hi!
@JayeshBadwaik it's a nice language!
@Charlie However, shubh ratri is used for good night. Shubh is Good. Ratri is night. We generally say good evening though which is shubh sandhya. Sandhya means evening. Sandhya is also a girl's name though.
17:42
@Charlie Hey
@Charlie It is. Did you look at the vodka chess?
@JayeshBadwaik yes i did.haha
When you are close to checkmate...you are probably close to a coma
whenever a piece is killed, the opponent player (the one who killed it) has to drink the contents of that piece.
@JayeshBadwaik jeez!
@Charlie ensures that the game is balanced throughout. :P
17:46
It seems to me that the subject of drinking arises very often around here
well, i don't drink.i like my liver
@JayeshBadwaik hehe
@JayeshBadwaik i remered you yesterday
@Charlie how?
@JayeshBadwaik remembering :P
i understood something that i wasn't...
@Charlie Hmm. :-)
Is it okay to write $\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)!$ or is $\Gamma\left(\frac{3}{2}\right)$ always preffered?
17:51
Hey @Jas!
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@JayeshBadwaik I got a glass chess set once in a lucky draw, but I gave it away because I don't play chess anymore and even if I did, I would not use it.
user19161
@Charlie Hello M.
@JasperLoy did you read my mail?
user19161
@Charlie A little bit of drinking is fine, for example, a glass of wine a day.
@JasperLoy Hmm. All chess that I play is against a computer currently.
user19161
17:52
@Charlie Not yet.
@JasperLoy i rather not
@JasperLoy I wanted to say the same. A little bit of drinking is actually good for your heart (especially if you are older) and does not affect liver.
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@Charlie I used to be averse to alcohol too. After my friend gave me a bottle of wine as a present, I drank a little bit each day, and then I started to like it. But I usually don't drink.
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@JayeshBadwaik Too much water can kill a person too! All things in moderation.
user19161
17:55
Hey guys, my new phone is so complicated that I have not figured out how to use it.
@JasperLoy it takes you three to four days of full study to work stuff out.
@JasperLoy hehe you get used to it...
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@JayeshBadwaik I am getting scared. I might even switch back to the old one now. But I have not read the manual.
@JasperLoy The problem here is I have seen too many alcoholic cases related domestic issues. Whenever there is talk of alcohol being good or bad, they hover in back of my mind. I don't have anything specific against alcohol, I even like it somewhat, but those examples are always a warning in my head.
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@Charlie Hmm, I have a few thoughts which I would keep to myself now, but maybe one day I will tell you what I am thinking...
17:57
@JasperLoy is it good or bad?
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@JayeshBadwaik It is not alcohol that makes a person evil. It is an evil person that makes alcohol evil.
hey , would you like to listen some good brazilian song?
@JasperLoy of course.
@Charlie yup.
here lyrics in description
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There are three pink avatars side by side, amazing.
17:58
@JasperLoy alcohol is like high speed, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. It just might make things difficult to control.
@Charlie Where did you learn English?
@Argon school...why?
and a lot aby myself
@Charlie Its good
Impressive
@Argon Thanks!
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@Charlie I don't know.
18:00
@JasperLoy how you don't know?
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@Charlie They are neither good nor bad to me, but I don't know how you will see them.
@JasperLoy hmm
this is the best brazilian band ever!!!!
user19161
Besame, besame mucho...
bolero
Legião urbana is the best band that brazil ever seen
good lyrics,most of them about dictatorship
@Charlie but you have a democracy now, don't you?
18:04
@JayeshBadwaik hmm...i still think we live in a dictatorship..but people don't realize it...
@Charlie okay. that way, India is still a monarchy.
this is my favorite!
user19161
This world will be full of shit until I take over!
@JasperLoy do you like that song?
user19161
@Charlie I heard Andrea Bocelli sing it.
18:06
@JasperLoy it's nice
this one is very beautiful!
I love this singer!
Can someone tell me how to "cross-through" text in a MSE post?
doesnot
@DavidK. ""doesnot""
put three dashes in the front and at the end
@Argon wassup?
"""doesnot"""
@JayeshBadwaik hrmmm.... the text isn't showing up as struck-through in the preview...
18:19
@jas
@JayeshBadwaik Nevermind. I got it. It's "<del>" and "<fwdslash del>"
@Ilya Next time you're around, we should talk ;-)
@DavidK. okay. good. Basically this site uses markdown formatting system, so in case you want to know more about it, you can just google, its very popular. I am not too familiar with it.
@Charlie
@JayeshBadwaik yes?
@JayeshBadwaik Yes. I just realized that. Sorry, should have googled that first. I didn't realize that the formatting system had a name.
18:25
@DavidK. Its okay. You don't need to apologize, I let you know, because I myself cannot use it, and as you saw, supplied you the wrong answer (which works in the chat), I don't know why.
did you guys know that in south of my country there's a city called "Holambra"?a mix of holland, america and brasil.the city of flowers.
@Charlie no i did not know that.
@JayeshBadwaik the south is really influenced by europe
there are many germans too
@Charlie okay. May be because the climates match more?
@JayeshBadwaik i really don't know...
there's a tiny city .it's more ucranian than brazilian.people learn old ucreanian in schools
18:33
@Charlie ohh.
@JayeshBadwaik my state is more influenced by itailians
@Charlie okay.
we had british run all over us, so except for goa and some other states, everything is british.
Pedro!
@Charlie Sup?
@PeterTamaroff i'm good.ya?
18:35
@Charlie Can't complain
@PeterTamaroff good
@Charlie Weren't you having some exam soon?
@JayeshBadwaik can i make a silly silly question?
@PeterTamaroff i had it
last friday
Good evening!
@Nimza hi !!
18:37
@PeterTamaroff Where did you learn English so well?
@Charlie hello :)
@JayeshBadwaik I was suspecting all monotone functions on closed intervals are bounded. Seems it is not too hard to prove.
@Charlie yes you can.
Who does like the game "devinette"? :)
@PeterTamaroff monotone continuous?
$tan(x)$ ?
18:38
@JayeshBadwaik Just monotone.
@JayeshBadwaik have you ever watched a movie called:"Saawariya"?
@JayeshBadwaik CLOSED INTERVAL!
@PeterTamaroff Yeah, domain is $[0,\pi/2]$
@JayeshBadwaik That is not defined on $\pi/2$, dude.
18:39
@Charlie I have loved that movie. It is based on the book "White nights". If you loved it too, you are the only other person I know.
@JayeshBadwaik At most $[0,\pi/2)$
@Argon I studied English for 12 years, kinda like "high school" things...
Do you know what is it?)
then GCSE exams.
@JayeshBadwaik it's cute.I liked more this part
@PeterTamaroff Hmm. Okay, but I still think, discontinuity should create a problem.
18:40
@JayeshBadwaik didn't know ita was a book.i thought a little sad :(
@JayeshBadwaik I tried to come up with examples, but it seems I need more imagination, or LSD...
just a sec.BRB
@Charlie this is my favourite track in the movie. The song-dance is kind of cliche, but the music is good,
@PeterTamaroff Hmm, let me see if I can come up with something. If not, then let me see if I can come up with a proof.
@JayeshBadwaik yeah.it's nice.
BRB
@Argon Sorry, not 12, 8
18:43
@PeterTamaroff Still a lot, eh?
@Argon Guess so.
@JayeshBadwaik Spivak sketches one.
@PeterTamaroff okay, where? I mean page number?
@JayeshBadwaik PG?
I meant reference.
@JayeshBadwaik Oh. In my edition, it is exercise 21 from chapter 13
18:48
It is kind of obvious now.
$f(a)$ is finite.
$f(b)$ is finite
in the interval $[a,b]$
And since the function is monotone.
$f(x) \in [f(a),f(b)]$ ( WLOG $f(a) < f(b)$)
Hence, proved.
@JayeshBadwaik ?
@Nimza donut-filled donuts!
@PeterTamaroff We wanted to prove that $f(x)$ is bounded on $[a,b]$ right?
@robjohn yeah) 2-adic solenoid
@JayeshBadwaik Duh! Not bounded, integrable =)
18:51
@PeterTamaroff duh, that is why I am thinking, is there a hole? :P :P I thought it was some trick question or something.
@JayeshBadwaik I think I see now.
@PeterTamaroff okay. I think it is integrable, but getting the bits right might be a little trickier.
Basically it is telescopic thing.
@JayeshBadwaik Kinda. Let me show you
Since the function is monotone, you have the max and min at the end of the interval
and hence, they cancel out.
when you subtract the U from the L
Let $P=\{t_0,t_1,\dots,t_n\}$ be a partition of $[a,b]$. Let $M_i$ and $m_i$ be the infimum and supremum. Then you get the following:
18:57
$א_0$
$$\eqalign{
& \sum\limits_{i = 1}^n {f\left( a \right)\left( {{t_i} - {t_{i - 1}}} \right)} \leqslant \sum\limits_{i = 1}^n {{m_i}\left( {{t_i} - {t_{i - 1}}} \right)} = L\left( {f,P} \right) \cr
& U\left( {f,P} \right) = \sum\limits_{i = 1}^n {{M_i}\left( {{t_i} - {t_{i - 1}}} \right)} \leqslant \sum\limits_{i = 1}^n {f\left( b \right)\left( {{t_i} - {t_{i - 1}}} \right)} \cr} $$
RIght? @JayeshBadwaik
@PeterTamaroff Correct.

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