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user43095
12:00 AM
What if in my favorites I add steam*, but in ignored add steam?
 
Then it will probably break somehow.
Best case it will just be faded + highlighted.
 
user43095
-2
A: How do I add plugins to my Bukkit SMP server?

JohnAwesome! I've just received my free minecraft giftcode! minecraftnow.us <<

 
Worst case you get a feedback loop.
 
user43095
Cool I'm trying it now
 
That's also why I don't use the wildcard at all. I just add tags to the list on the fly when I see them for the first time.
At least on Arqade.
 
user43095
12:02 AM
Hmm... Ignored overrides favorites. Is there like an SE manual I can add this info to?
 
lol "You'll likely cause terrible things in your browser" "Awesome! Let's do it!"
 
@Coronus Well, nowadays a browser's death no longer causes an OS crash, so it's not that harmful anymore.
 
user43095
@Coronus who cares? It was for SCIENCE!!!
 
user43095
@FEichinger worst case I reinstall iOS 5
 
@jeffreylin_ Where did I say breaking things by pushing their boundaries and trying new things was a bad thing?
 
user43095
12:04 AM
@FEichinger would this be closed if I suggest it as a feature request on MSO?
 
@jeffreylin_ It would probably be and shot down for being a stupid thing because "learn to use tag filters like a normal person!"
Or it's a dupe to something.
In which case it'd just get burned to the ground without a comment, I guess.
 
user43095
@FEichinger people on MSO suck
 
@FEichinger SE has "normal people"?
 
user30
@badp I have also just had a Steam moment
 
user30
Apparently I own Saints Row: The Third.
 
12:06 AM
@Coronus Well, that's why I put that in quotes.
 
user43095
Oh crap, today was the steam sald
 
@ThomasMcDonald THQ bundle?
 
user30
I've been waiting for it to go on sale for ages
 
user43095
What was on sale?
 
user30
@FEichinger No, I just missed out on that
 
12:06 AM
@jeffreylin_ Lies, I am the best people. Which is why you should always ask me before posting something on Meta.
 
@ThomasMcDonald During the Winter Sale? The really cheap one? Hmmm ...
 
user43095
@TimStone ^
 
user30
@FEichinger That could be it. I'm gonna look through my account history
 
@jeffreylin_ I don't think any of the sales have changed yet.
 
What am I looking up to?
 
12:08 AM
@ThomasMcDonald That one included SR3. And during the early days also the complete Red Faction series. :P
 
11 mins ago, by jeffreylin_
@AshleyNunn like what if I want say Minecraft-redstone, Minecraft-feedthebeast, but not Minecraft itself? Like if it has ONLY the Minecraft tag do not display
 
Then some Red Faction games mysteriously disappeared from Steam, from the pack, etc ... 'Twas confusing.
 
user30
> 28 Dec 2012 - Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion, Saints Row: The Third - The Full Package, Assassin's Creed 3 Deluxe Edition - Purchase - £40.97
 
user30
There we go
 
@ThomasMcDonald That was the Saints Row 3 main sale, I belive.
 
user30
12:09 AM
I've only played one of those games properly in 6 months, good investment.
 
user30
At least I know what I'm doing tomorrow now
 
user43095
Is don't starve for 40% off good? I is a steam newb
 
@ThomasMcDonald watching the Rebecca Black video?
 
@Coronus Don't mention the name. Just link to it. Stealthily.
 
@Coronus Ah, hmm
 
12:11 AM
@jeffreylin_ Don't Starve is good. Period.
 
@jeffreylin_ It's worth $20 and is regularly $15. Take from that what you will. =P
 
@jeffreylin_ In all honesty, I doubt it'll go cheaper than this. It's a main sale right now, after all.
 
user43095
The deed has been done. I am now 8 dollars poorer
 
@jeffreylin_ I'd say go for it. You may find yourself stuck with no flash sale, and no encore sale, and stuck wishing you'd saved a few bucks on it (It would still be worth it)
 
12:15 AM
/me is just waiting for something else that's somewhat interesting to buy in addition to Don't Starve.
 
user43095
I had $20, now I has $11. Should I feel bad?
 
user43095
My ears, they bleed!
 
user20683
@Coronus You are a monster
 
And I don't have a Steam-capable Internet connection until Monday, if things keep going like they are. :/
@Coronus Well done.
 
12:17 AM
Good news, game companies can still release hilariously bad looking licensed games!
 
user43095
I find it hard to buy only what I want
 
user43095
Because I only have $20 earned from taking surveys and crap
 
@jeffreylin_ Well, generally speaking I just buy whatever is looking promising. But right now, I'm technically on a 0€ budget.
 
user43095
Ooh scribblenauts for 75% off.
 
@jeffreylin_ I'm waiting for Rogue Legacy to go on further discount.
 
user43095
12:20 AM
After the sale, is it useful to have a balance higher than $0?
 
@jeffreylin_ Honestly, I just keep feeding mine periodically for the sales.
 
user43095
Portal 2, $10
 
user43095
Has anyone her played FTL?
 
@jeffreylin_ Yeh.
 
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Q: Is there a downside to not be all Renegade or Paragon?

SandokanAs in many games with moral choice, the best way (game wise) is to go all out on either. This often puts you in a situation where you turn out to be either Mother Teresa or Vlad the Impaler. Staying somewhere in the middle locks you out of either bonuses. But at the same time it makes for more in...

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Q: skyrim falmer'giants and mamoths weaknesses?

user51701what are the weaknesses of fall - mere giants and mammoths? because I have tried the fire breathing shout.

 
user43095
12:23 AM
@FEichinger worth it?
 
@jeffreylin_ Wait for a Flash sale, but 5 bucks is a bargain.
 
HU BRIDGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 
@spugsley It's a wild @spugs!
 
:o
 
user43095
@spugsley STEAM SALE, BUY ALL THE THINGS
 
12:25 AM
@jeffreylin_ I CANT I AM POOR BECAUSE ME AND @IANPUGSLEY ARE BUYING A HOUSEEEEE
 
@jeffreylin_ Buy all the ... rhings?
 
user43095
@spugsley Who need shelter when you have games?
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@jeffreylin_ bahahaha
 
@spugsley People should buy you all the things as a house warming gift then!
 
@TimStone :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
THAT'S A THING
 
user43095
12:26 AM
@FEichinger never mention that again
 
user20683
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@jeffreylin_ I will mention that over and over again.
 
user43095
 
user20683
some heavy load...
 
user20683
come on Valve, you speak English.
 
12:29 AM
I'm genuinely surprised by how much they must've underestimated the Summer Sale this year.
 
user20683
room topic changed to The Bridge: General Chat Room for Arqade.com. The main quarters of Arqade's SEI AskQuestion Mothership. [3yo] [arq] [buy-all-the-things] [-fun] [-games] [gaming-hobos] [jin-fanclub] [-kalina] [lazers] [mod-abuse] [spugsley-house-warming]*
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user43095
@FEichinger MOAR SERVERS,!!
 
user20683
Hamster Hive Mind
 
@jeffreylin_ Given that they were oh-so-proud that they were prepared for releasing Dota 2, it's fair to say that they could just as well have upped their infrastructure for the sale.
I guess "accidentally" announcing the sale two days before didn't help either.
 
ughhhh I have to make cookies
 
user20683
12:33 AM
@spugsley how is this ugh?
 
user20683
How are cookies ever ugh?
 
user20683
they are cookies
 
@WorldEngineer because they aren't for me WHINNNEEEEE
 
user20683
@spugsley You made me cookies? :D How thoughtful! :D
 
also, funny story. Today my mom called me fat and then bought me a donut. I do not understand her
@WorldEngineer :D nice try!
 
12:36 AM
@spugsley Simple. Make extras.
 
And Borderlands 2 won the Community's Choice.
 
12:52 AM
@spugsley She's trying to fatten you up so she can bake you into a pie.
 
The silent killer. Millions of children are baked into pies every year.
 
user15026
@BenBrocka You people are horrifying
 
Hmm ... Cannibalism seems like a pretty good way to get rid of baby corpses, actually.
 
user15026
Oh god no stop
 
That makes missing child reports a lot more concerning, I guess.
 
user15026
12:56 AM
You are all awfful
 
:o
 
I know, right? I'm so full of awf.
 
user15026
Shut up omg i did not miss you
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lol
 
user15026
Poll: Cake - eaten with a spoon or fork?
 
1:02 AM
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Q: How can I colonize a system with no food production?

C. RossEndless Space generates some systems that have no food producing planets. How can I successfully colonize one of these systems?

 
FAE
@AshleyNunn fork
 
@AshleyNunn Fork.
 
user15026
Thank you you are all normal
 
@AshleyNunn You just said I was awfful! :(
 
user15026
you can be both
 
1:04 AM
@AshleyNunn But awfful is non-normal by definition!
 
user15026
Shush dont question me
 
Anyone who eats cake with a spoon is a monster.
 
user15026
NO
 
user15026
you are a turtle you cant even cake
 
@AshleyNunn You should know me better than that by now.
 
1:05 AM
Sorry, got that mixed up./
 
@Wipqozn Much better.
 
I use a fork whenever possible.
I hate when people use spoons for things you could eat a fork with.
 
user15026
Good man
 
user15026
@Wipqozn oh thank goodness
 
There are some exceptions, like ice cream. You could eat that with a fork, but it would be wrong.
 
1:06 AM
@Wipqozn Things you could eat a fork with: Mercury, A set of nails, Screws, A bar of iron, Alcohol.
 
@FEichinger you can't eat alcohol with a fork.
 
@Wipqozn You can eat a fork with alcohol, though.
 
user15026
you drink alcohol silly turtle
 
user15026
with your mouth
 
...wait...fuck
I hate all of you for noticing my mistake.
 
1:09 AM
@Wipqozn Oh, you realised it now? :P
 
Except @AshleyNunn.
 
@Wipqozn I love you, too, tortoise.
 
The attention of detail in this is somewhat impressive.
At least based on the 2 minutes of the video I've watched.
 
@Wipqozn Excalibur's simulations actually tend to be pretty decent.
 
@Wipqozn did you see Viscera Cleanup Detail simulator?
 
1:14 AM
@BenBrocka I saw a couple minutes of that, assuing it's the space janitor game.
 
yes
 
I just purchased Euro Truck Simulator 2 from gamers gate. I hope I have better luck home than when I was at my cousins. I kept hitting things, and the truck fell over.
To which my 13-year-old cousin said "...I didn't realize you could knock the truck over...you're really bad at this game..."
 
The truck falling over seems like the best possible outcome
 
ahhh the start of Steam Summer Sales - been saving my pennies all year for this.
 
@SimonL and now you'll be broke.
dsfoksadfosdkfok
Euro Truck Simulator just went on sale. I could have saved 20 cents!
 
1:17 AM
@Wipqozn Dark souls prepare to die for 7.50$ what s teal
 
..and also not go through the trouble of making a gamersgate account
@SimonL I've heard bad things about the PC port.
I can't remember any of them thoguh.
I think it was bugs and poor controls.
 
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Q: Should a question be closed if it is not a problem the user faces?

SternoIn many discussions when whether or not to close a question comes up on The Bridge, and even here on meta, there is often a vocal group who feels that questions should be closed if they aren't about a problem the user faces. I believe this mainly draws from this section of the /about. However...

 
The PC version is apparently much better than the console version as I've heard from many of my friends and speed runners of the game.
 
Got some drama all ready for tomorrow's reading at work.
 
You can't just queue drama ahead of time. You have to let that shit occur naturally, like a pearl or wart
 
1:19 AM
@Sterno Good thinking!
 
@BenBrocka Well, it's mostly piggybacking on that other meta thread.
 
@Sterno Is this in relation to the "Questions must be practical" statement someone brought up in meta thread earlier?
 
But I seriously want to know whether or not I can tell people to STFU up when they make that argument, or if they call tell me to STFU.
@SimonL Yes, but moreso that I hear it in chat all the time when people are arguing about closing questions.
And chat tends to be a pretty powerful driver for question closures.
 
I think it is just a carry over from the SO FAQ.
 
Anyway, I'm not ready to engage in the drama now. Queued up for my viewing tomorrow
 
1:21 AM
and tbh they have a lot of questions about c# language design that Eric Lippert answers and without him they wouldn't be able to get those quality answers
 
@Sterno Same here.
 
@Sterno My only issue with the meta question is that you asked about problems the user faces, but link a comment about practical uses.
 
It doesn't help people can't seem to agree on "What is an actual problem you face?" either.
 
@Coronus Edit my meta to make it better. Or discuss that detail in your answer.
 
user15026
@Wipqozn aww yay you love me
 
1:23 AM
Some people don't think plot questions are an actual problem, others do (since "I don't understand the plot" is a problem).
 
Not to mention for those of us who are pedantic, if you post your own answer along with the question, it's clearly not a problem you face.
 
@Sterno True.
 
@Sterno Not necessarily true, it could be a problem you faced and found an answer to.
 
@SimonL DID face! Not DO face
 
I often see people equating "not a problem" to "this is a stupid question."
but we don't close for stupid.
 
1:25 AM
@SimonL Like I said, pedantry.
I do not consider what I just said to be a valid argument. :)
 
@SimonL That was his point :P
 
user15026
@Wipqozn as tempting as it is
 
Now I'm trying to find references to this argument in chats to link them, reminding me that chat searching sucks
 
Although with our custom close reasons it's only a matter of time before we get a question with a close reason of "This is stupid."
 
@Sterno "problem" by fbueckert should get enough results.
 
1:26 AM
:S
 
@FEichinger I already got one from him. I don't want to heap it all on one person.
 
@Sterno But it's mostly him who starts with that particular argument, as far as I remember. :/
 
May 16 at 17:49, by OrigamiRobot
Also, "practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face" is a bar we use.
Lurk around that comment.
 
Man, Bastion on sale for 2.25..... I dunno if I can resist not getting that.
 
@SimonL You should have gotten it already.
 
1:29 AM
Actually, I'm curious @Sterno
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Q: On questions of developer intent and the routing around thereof

fbueckertI've been mulling this over for a bit, trying to attach the various bits and pieces. One of our blanket bans is that we don't allow questions asking about why game mechanics or other bits were designed the way they were. I don't need to hash out why we don't allow them, as it's a rather well-di...

What's your opinion on this?
 
user15026
@SimonL Oh man you need to get it because it is like the most amazing
 
@FEichinger I have been very busy at work lately deploying a new project that I am in charge of, plus we are moving officesd so :S
 
@SimonL You should have gotten it ages ago.
 
@Wipqozn I haven't really made up my mind yet, though I lean towards lets close them. But mostly what I've gotten out of that discussion is that I'm not a fan of a lot of the arguments being made for closure.
 
But then I woulda had to pay 15$ for it - now I can spend 2.25
 
1:30 AM
I find saying it's "not related to gaming" to be laughable.
 
user15026
@SimonL so now is the perfect time :D
 
And I'm not a fan of the "It's not a problem you face" argument.
 
@SimonL Get. It. Already.
 
@AshleyNunn yep - i'm going to be broke before next week though :(
 
@Sterno Yeah, I know. I'm surprised you haven't made a meta about this before now.
 
1:31 AM
@Sterno This is my problem.
 
user15026
@SimonL I am already broke, but I am a brilliant enabler :D
 
BLARGHHHHH
 
@Wipqozn I was pretty content to argue about it in chat while it was only used as an argument in chat. Once it hit meta, I figured it was worth talking about at that level
 
COOKIES
WHY
 
@SimonL You're not broke already?
 
1:32 AM
@spugsley Because reasons.
 
@Sterno My opinion is just that I don't see any difference between "Did a developer say X?" and "Why did they do it that way?". Either both are allowed, or neither I. Allowing only one doesn't really make sense to me.
 
@AshleyNunn Not sure if it's good that you're on my steam friends list right now :P
 
user15026
@SimonL shush, you will be fine. pats
 
user15026
@spugsley awwww :( helps bake cookies
 
@Coronus Nope - I haven't bought anything yet - this will change shortly though because of Bastion on at 2.25 85% off
 
1:34 AM
@AshleyNunn I don't even like these kind of cookies ;.; they are for my dad and there are walnuts in it
 
@Wipqozn But that takes it from "Only the developer can answer that" to the point where it can be definite, and not speculation.
 
@Wipqozn I mostly agree, though as I said, still haven't made up my mind. I'm a little worried about it suddenly turning into a "you mentioned the developer in your question! Close!" thing
 
@Sterno That is a valid concern.
 
People talk about slippery slopes on here a lot, but honestly the slipperiest slope I see is our justifications for close votes.
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@Coronus Except the developer is still the only one who can answer it.
 
user15026
1:35 AM
@spugsley eeeergh no
 
@Sterno Darn you. I'm supposed to be leaving, shutting down, not talking about this!
 
In fact, the more I think about it they are the same question. Just reversed.
 
user15026
@SimonL Go! Enjoy it :D (I love the music :D )
 
More often than not recently, I was inclined to disagree just in spite of the arguments, rather than genuine belief in favour of whatever I was rooting for.
 
You've just taken the answer fo "Why did they do X?" and turned it into the question.
 
1:36 AM
I know we don't want to turn into Yahoo Answers. I get that. I just think this community needs to lean a little more towards "let's evaluate questions on a case-by-case basis, and consider the author's intent" and a little more away from "let's set rigid rules and ruthlessly destroy anyone who toes a millimetre over the line".
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@Wipqozn Or, I can answer it referring to the official source.
 
There is always an opposite angle, and some arguments just cannot be left standing like that.
 
@Coronus You can do that with "Why did they do X?" as well.
 
@Sterno One thing I don't like about that current meta post, is that I don't see any stats involved in it. I see a lot of speculation. Whereas when I look at the ban shopping questions, people have gone and given stats about why its bad etc. I think it should be tried, take stats of how it is working and go from there.
 
@AshleyNunn and now I'm done with today's picture so I have no reason to keep procrastinating about it ;.;
 
1:37 AM
does anyone have Kreig in BL2? Is he worth $4?
 
user15026
@spugsley yay picture, but booo...*tries to think of ways to distract you?*
 
er 3.40
 
@Wipqozn I.. urg... So.. Curses.
 
@Brant Pretty much exactly that.
 
@Brant I agree with that.
 
user15026
1:38 AM
@spugsley I really like the light in the picture :D
 
@Brant However, it only takes 5 people who disagree.
 
@AshleyNunn I photoshopped the shit out of it! :3
 
I believe it was @MarkTrapp who once made a meta post stating that we should view our rules more as guidelines than actual rules.
 
it's actually this tiny LED light and I was like MOAR LIGHT
 
user15026
@spugsley you did a fantastic job, it looks spectacular
 
1:39 AM
@AshleyNunn why thanks you :3
 
@Brant I really like this point - the last thing I would want to see from this community is people being hostile/harsh - this is one reason why I don't participate in SO.
 
user15026
You are welcome, pretty lady
 
@Wipqozn The priority when evaluating any question should be whether or not it benefits the site and its users, rather than whether or not it fits some kind of rule under which we can close it.
Which seems to be the train of thought a lot of people apply to it. "How can we close this?"
Rather than "How can we turn this into something that we can keep open?"
 
I think it all boils down to "Is this information useful?" but who's going to agree on 'useful'?
 
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Q: Should a question be closed if it is not a problem the user faces?

SternoIn many discussions when whether or not to close a question comes up on The Bridge, and even here on meta, there is often a vocal group who feels that questions should be closed if they aren't about a problem the user faces. I believe this mainly draws from this section of the /about. However...

 
1:41 AM
@Coronus That's over simplifying it. A question could be useful and still not fit for Arqade.
Some questions just don't work on Arqade, or the SE network in general.
@FEichinger Don't forget that we should close first and fix later.
Re-opening is really easy, especially on Arqade due to how active chat is.
 
@Wipqozn With our habit of bombarding anything that's being closed with downvotes, automatic downvotes and the auto-deletion for closed questions with negative score - quite frankly, anything we close won't get fixed if we don't already plan on fixing it when it's closed.
 
So closing things fast so we can fix them and then re-opening them is the best way to handle things.
@FEichinger If we don't plan on fixing it then why would we keep it open?
 
user15026
I love it - our DM is using a pizza box to draw maps because pizza pizza boxes have like a grid pattern of pizza topping images, so he just said "you turn right at the cheese, the door is at the pineapple"
 
@Wipqozn I hardly see anyone thinking of fixing something they VTC. It's rather a "I think this is a stupid question, let's get rid of it!"
 
Square-cut pizza? hisssssssssssssssssssss
 
1:44 AM
Misunderstood. Thoguht you said never.
I still don't think hardly is a fair assessment. I see it happen often enough. People closing, fixing, and then re-opening.
 
Oh, pizza topping images, I thought you meant lines of cheese/grease on the bottom of the empty box from the pizza slices
 
I do agree that "This is stupid, let's close" happens a lot though.
 
Apparently my question is a dupe:
 
@Wipqozn In all honesty, I have actually never seen that happen. I don't doubt that it exists, though.
 
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Q: "practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face"

Nick TThe FAQ says: You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face. It could be me, but lately there seem to be more people quoting this phrase to gain close-vote support on this or that class of question, such as historical ones, or those about memes. ...

 
user15026
1:45 AM
@Brant no, just the box, the pizza is circles
 
I'm been guilty of it myself from time to time.
 
Carry on then.
 
@FEichinger To be fair, some questions lack the effort from the OP for me to want to edit them to be better.
 
@Sterno There's the TrappMaster!
MAn, I miss that guy.
He was all like "I'm MarkTrapp, I'm so fancy."
 
1:46 AM
@Wipqozn Yeah, that looks like what you were probably referencing
VTC'd my own meta
 
user15026
@Brant wait, what, no that is pizza abomination, pizza is only cut in sqaures when the pizza is a rectangle
 
@Brant The center squares are terrible, though.
 
F*** everything about those centre squares.
 
user15026
Their only benefit is the lack of crust
 
user15026
I dont like crust
 
1:49 AM
@AshleyNunn I love crust.
 
Centre squares have the most toppings though.
 
@AshleyNunn That's not a benefit, it makes them horrible to eat unless they're cold. At which point they also taste horrible.
 
If we ever eat Pizza together for some reason you can cut off your crusts and give them to me.
 
user15026
@Wipqozn mails you hers
 
I'm going to read that meta as saying "STFU up with closing things because they're not a problem you face", and all the people who use that argument can read that meta and tell me to STFU because it tells them they can close for that reason.
 
user15026
1:49 AM
@Wipqozn Heck yes best plan
 
@AshleyNunn ew, by the time it gets here it will be all crusty.
 
This is why we all hate meta answers that are "Use your judgment, dummies"
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@AshleyNunn LOLOL GET IT? GET IT? GETI IT? GET IT?
 
user15026
@Wipqozn you like crust!
 
user15026
@Wipqozn You are a very funny turtle
 
1:51 AM
@AshleyNunn d'awwww, thank you!
 
Man, now I won't have any drama to read tomorrow.
 
user15026
@Wipqozn dont get used to it ;)
 
@Sterno I read that in Dr. Steve Brule's voice.
 
For your health!
 
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A: Are iOS 7 and OS X Mavericks questions OK?

Daniel LawsonRants, speculative unanswerable questions, and "questions" that are really rants are not on-topic now, nor will they be on-topic later. Such questions as Why didn't Apple use 10.9 Sea Lion? That graphic was cute. What were they thinking with that hideous new color scheme / icons / features in i...

> feel free to edit this list to include your own rant that you'd love to ask on the site but know is off-topic. It's amazingly cathartic.
^ This works.
 

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