The Bridge

Mana

00:50

Do we know how the scores of hot questions are determined?

As in, what's weighted the most, the least, odd contributing factors, etc?

alexanderpas

01:10

@tzenes just went beyond the restaurant at end of the galaxy...

33

A: How can I tell which layers there are in an in-progress fortress in Dwarf Fortress?

Ok, I'm going to give you a crash course in Geology. In traditional Geology there are three kinds of Rock: Sedimentary, Metamorphic and Igneous (actually that's an over simplification, but pretend its true). Dwarf Fortress is modeled on this system but it further breaks Igneous down into Igneou...

requesting mass upvotes on that answer!

Mana

I noticed that.

We might as well comment posting links to midterms and final exams while we're at it for DFG101

tzenes

I give good answers because I want the site to succede

Mana

(Dwarf Fortress Geology)

I couldn't agree more, tzenes! Great answers like that is exactly what this site needs.

I just wish I could summon up half of your tenacity for plugging away at this stuff.

alexanderpas

05:54

@ArdaXi gist.github.com/a792863bb614b476d4f0 (and all you Anyhub linux fans) (uses zenity)

Arda Xi

Zenity.. is that that GUI for Bash thing?

alexanderpas

GUI for bash scripts, yes ;)

It now has a multiple file selection dialog :D

Arda Xi

what is notify-send anyway?

alexanderpas

GUI notification thingy.

Arda Xi

ah, didn't have it installed in my VM

alexanderpas

06:02

similar to baloon tips in windows

Arda Xi

that's odd..

apt says I do have it, but notify-send doesn't work

alexanderpas

man notify-send

Arda Xi

No man entry

oh, needed libnotify-bin

very nice :)

alexanderpas

I want to improve on the GUI multi-file upload, but i think i might need named pipes for that, and i'm not fully aware of race conditions with that.

BTW: the command line mode uses no GUI commands anymore.

But, i think i need some more sleep ;) see ya in some hours.

Arda Xi

good night

alexanderpas

06:12

call that a morning ;)

Gnoupi

09:23

getting tired of the list questions getting closed, especially when i spend some time writing about a game which is not really publicly known

Gnoupi

3

Q: Side-scrollers with mouse aiming?

I'm very fond of side-scrolling shooting games where movement is done with the keyboard and there is free-aiming and shooting with the mouse. Example games I know of are: Abuse - classic, this is exactly the sort of game I'm looking for Soldat - sort of 2D counter-strike Trine - though there i...

Gnoupi

who cares if he's a mod

Gnoupi

if you have reasons to say why this question is valid, that's all what matters

Gnoupi

it's getting tiring to see this "oh, game-rec, voting to close"

Gnoupi

but what do I complain about, I should have done that in meta, now it's too late

Gnoupi

09:25

especially with the chat, now there will always be 5 people to close such questions

Gnoupi

but I complain for nothing. I'll just refrain from posting, to not lose my time

Arda Xi

the problem is that this community can't handle list questions... I heard the mods were working on something to change that

besides, a closed question doesn't mean the answers aren't still useful

Gnoupi

you have two solutions with list questions. Or you try to maintain a level of quality (at the beginning, for the first page at least, then you close), putting screenshots and details yourself (finally, it's CW most of the time, there's a reason for that), so that it will show people that such questions should be like this, or you just have a "no go", and close everything on sight.

Gnoupi

anyway, not my place, I'm just some user there. So nevermind my statements, deal with your community the way you prefer, it's none of my business after all. I'll just learn to avoid "game-rec" questions, and won't lose time answering them. So I guess that in a way, this approach wins

Gnoupi

12

Q: Any Dungeon Design Games out there?

I'm looking for games where you design your own dungeon for your minions to live in. Good examples are Dungeon Keeper Evil Genius Dwarf Fortress It is important that the minions should do the tedious work, while you can focus on the global picture, and be able to respond to unexpected situat...

game-rec minions dungeon-design

Gnoupi

09:33

voting to close. I'll just put a link here about "Dungeons", if anyone is interested: rockpapershotgun.com/2010/08/12/dungeons-no-keeper. If someone wants to make an answer with that, feel free, I just won't lose my time on that.

Arda Xi

:114613 The point is, any question on this site should have no more than one correct answer

by that logic, a list question is fine, as long as one answer represents that list, and not all the answers together

there's no need for such a passive-aggressive response really

Gnoupi

I voted only, that's all, being coherent. The side scroller is almost identical, I don't see why it should be different. And "one answer for everything" is not only hard to maintain and read, but also subject to the site's limitations on the post length. But again, not my business, this has probably been discussed over and over again, I should have participated in that.

Arda Xi

09:51

You're just as much part of the community as anyone

And I didn't know there were any limits on post length..

Gnoupi

10

Q: Please increase the maximum allowed length for answers

Another recent request pointed out an issue with the current system: answers are limited to only 30,000 characters in length. While I personally do not feel that posting very large amounts of code in answers is particularly desirable, I do foresee other circumstances where it might be desirable...

feature-request status-declined answers character-limit

Arda Xi

30k is more than enough for a concise list

For comparison, your answer to @Oak's question sans the quote is 671 characters, which allows for 45 items in one answer

most answers are closer to 200-300 though, which means more than 100 items per answer

As shown by this search query there are not a lot of questions that reach such limits

Arda Xi

11:08

StackOverflow Inc. definitely has too much money

Gnoupi

12:54

You're welcome:

Gnoupi

0

Q: Not able to play games in full screen

I am not able to play any games on full screen on my Hp laptop dv2725ee My configuration Windows 7 ultimate 32 bit; Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00GHz 2 GB RAM; Video Adapter-Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family I've updated all my graphics & video drivers. Then also this prob ...

windows-7 troubleshooting games

alexanderpas

at least this one didn't ask on SU because we don't know a thing about computers ;)

Arda Xi

that question is way too vague though

alexanderpas

I ask for dungeon design... what do i get? non-working RPG and an AoE like....

Gnoupi

@alex - give me 5 minutes

alexanderpas

13:01

you're going to add to that list, a game only announced this month... that would make it the best answer up to now.

Gnoupi

give me 10 then

Arda Xi

@alexanderpas why don't you put those example games in an answer so that @gnoupi can then add to that answer, see how well it works out?

alexanderpas

because those are non-answers...

Arda Xi

:114752 Are they not the exact thing you're looking for?

alexanderpas

dungeon design... == dungeon RPG?

Arda Xi

13:07

because.. if they aren't I fail to see how they're 'good examples'

I'm talking about:

Dungeon Keeper
Evil Genius
Dwarf Fortress

alexanderpas

those example games are part of the definition... but it's community wiki, so if we can make a good answer together...

let's see what @gnoupi comes up with.

Arda Xi

My point is, those example games are answers to the query: "I'm looking for games where you design your own dungeon for your minions to live in." are they not?

hence, while you're not looking for them, they are answers to the question which may be helpful for others having the same question

What about Startopia?

Gnoupi

:114774 gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/6083/…

Gnoupi

Theme Hospital could be an answer too, but it's going closer to the "tycoon" side

Gnoupi

and I'm done

Arda Xi

13:22

sighs now it's just another List of X question

Gnoupi

and all for nothing, because it's closed in the next 5 minutes

Gnoupi

@Arda - you have editing rights. If you think you an improve it, do it

Arda Xi

:114786 I don't have mod rights

alexanderpas

let's see how many real answers there are... ;)

:114787 it's CW

Arda Xi

:114789 I can't delete those 4 answers

Gnoupi

13:23

I can delete them, it's not a problem

Gnoupi

or you can flag them, after editing

Arda Xi

My point was, which I have been trying to say for the past.. 15 minutes

Gnoupi

my opinion is that lists should be lists, one per answer, that's all the point

Arda Xi

one list per answer

one answer per question

that's the only way game-rec will survive on this site

Gnoupi

one proposition per answer

alexanderpas

13:24

time for a meta-discussion!

Arda Xi

that's what gets them closed

Gnoupi

it's the same, you just change the format

Arda Xi

:114800 no, it turns the question into a poll

Gnoupi

what would be different then? it's would be even less using the SE framework

Gnoupi

it would be a simple wiki

Arda Xi

13:25

:114804 as it should be.

Gnoupi

who cares if it's a poll, at least you can downvote bad answers

Arda Xi

:114806 you shouldn't

you should edit bad answers, it's CW

Gnoupi

and now it's closed

alexanderpas

try improving this:

-2

A: Any Dungeon Design Games out there?

www.dungeonquestgame.com - This contains source code, but I believe there is a level editor too. It is written in C# and XNA.

Gnoupi

and we both voted for that, it looks nice :]

Arda Xi

13:27

I only voted after I saw it was indistinguishable from all the other game-rec questions

so not voting for it would be hypocritical

alexanderpas

there are already 2 reopen votes... lol

Gnoupi

if you put everything in the same answer, you open the door to edit wars

Gnoupi

you take it away, he puts it back

Gnoupi

then what? we lock?

Arda Xi

:114820 it's never been tried, how do you know that's going to happen.

Gnoupi

13:28

edit wars are frequent on these sites

alexanderpas

take Wikipedia for example: it even needs a 3 revert rule

Macha

Just joined the steam group.

@alexanderpas That's not enough for some articles even

Case in point:

Aerith Gainsborough

— spelled Aeris Gainsborough in the English releases of Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy Tactics — is a player character in Square's (now Square Enix) console role-playing game Final Fantasy VII. She was designed by Tetsuya Nomura with influence from Yoshinori Kitase, Hironobu Sakaguchi and Yoshitaka Amano. In Final Fantasy VII, Aeris is a 22-year-old woman who joins AVALANCHE. As the story progresses, AVALANCHE begin to pursue the antagonist Sephiroth, and the player learns that Aeris is a Cetra, or "Ancient", one of the planet's oldest races. Aerith has also appeared in...

Arda Xi

I've said this before, and I'll probably have to say this again, it's a Q&A site. Therefore, every question should have one, acceptable answer.

alexanderpas

wow!

Macha

Editing that page gets a big message above the edit box.

Gnoupi

13:30

talks on wikipedia are just awful... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

alexanderpas

page notices lol

Macha

"Aerith, not Aeris
This article's name is "Aerith Gainsborough". This is not a typo.
If you wish to discuss an "Aerith" → "Aeris" edit, please see the talk page. For now, all such alterations will be reverted back to "Aerith"."

I can't add friends without opening Steam :( Lame.

Thankfully we've got a nice looking logo now in the proposals:

8

Q: Logo proposals for Gaming

Please post as answers below, your logo proposals for this site. Rules: Original artwork only. You need to have a copy of your submission in a vector format. Return to Site Attributes

discussion top-7 logo

That finger one was ugly.

alexanderpas

it was fugly!

Macha

@ArdaXi Careful you don't change the meaning of a question with your edits:

2

Q: Does the bonus match include extra points rewarded?

Suppose that I get 1000 points as match bonus. Suppose in free-for-all match I get 1 head shot. It's worth 200 points if my memory is good. So, does the 1000 points rewarded include the head shot points ? Did I get 1200 (1000 + 200) or only 1000 ?

ps3 modern-warfare-2

alexanderpas

and we're up to 3 reopen votes...

Arda Xi

13:37

:114854 Oh, he meant as a bonus in the match.. the original language was ambiguous

you didn't have to revert everything though..

Macha

@ArdaXi I just selected the earlier revision, and changed "bonus match" to "match bonus".

Arda Xi

For example, I removed the "if my memory is good" because it is correct.

And I edited the "so does the 1200 points" because points is plural

Macha

Well, go edit it again then :P

alexanderpas

lol

Macha

Just leave the "match bonus" bit in.

Arda Xi

13:40

nah, I edited it once, should be enough

Macha

Getting 1000 points in a match vs getting a 1000 point bonus is not the same thing.

Arda Xi

I realise that, but that wasn't the entire question

alexanderpas

13:53

hmm... an hybrid aproach to list of X questions...

nope, woudn't work either...

alexanderpas

14:05

Zombies are street legal in Minneapolis

> Now, on to the pressing and important questions: are the police required to read their Miranda rights to real zombies before shooting them in the head?

Gnoupi

14:17

:114909 Don't shoot them, take a katana. Problem solved

alexanderpas

L4D3?

Arda Xi

L4D2 has katanas

alexanderpas

you don't want to katana a boomer...

Macha

Just fought off a Dragon in Dwarf Fortress. He conviently burned my refuse pile, I think.

And everything at the front of my fortress is covered in either blood or ash or both.

And he's just burnt every plant around. The elves won't be happy.

tzenes

14:44

I return to serve

Gnoupi

12

Q: Any Dungeon Design Games out there?

I'm looking for games where you design your own dungeon for your minions to live in. Good examples are Dungeon Keeper Evil Genius Dwarf Fortress It is important that the minions should do the tedious work, while you can focus on the global picture, and be able to respond to unexpected situat...

game-rec minions dungeon-design

Gnoupi

:114979 do like the cool kids and reverse your vote :]

tzenes

no

why would I?

Its another bad list

Gnoupi

nevermind

tzenes

why would you reopen that?

Gnoupi

14:46

because it's well defined, specific, and there are uality answers with screenshots and description

Gnoupi

and I spent half an hour on them, so I should know :]

tzenes

and yet, its still a list

Gnoupi

and yet, it's still ok

tzenes

if you like your answers so much take them to wikipedia

Gnoupi

and yet, it still has useful information

tzenes

14:47

so does wikipedia

Gnoupi

ok, you know what, nevermind

Gnoupi

i'm not reopening that debate

Arda Xi

so does every other list we've rightfully closed

Gnoupi

ok

Gnoupi

you're right

tzenes

14:47

I don't think you'd suggest copying all their answers over

god damn, what is with people and their god damn game-recs

Gnoupi

i'm serious, nevermind, forget I even said that

alexanderpas

it will get reopened... it's already on 4 reopen votes :D

Arda Xi

I wouldn't have voted to close in the first place if it wasn't another Q&A&A&A&A&A

alexanderpas

12

Q: Any Dungeon Design Games out there?

I'm looking for games where you design your own dungeon for your minions to live in. Good examples are Dungeon Keeper Evil Genius Dwarf Fortress It is important that the minions should do the tedious work, while you can focus on the global picture, and be able to respond to unexpected situat...

game-rec minions dungeon-design

tzenes

there are what, 5 answers there, I could probably toss another 5 on

and what value would it have?

it'd be just another bunch of opinions

I think game X is like game Y

there is no way for me to prove it

and it doesn't answer some undying need

C. Ross

14:49

:114157 A very grumpy Jon Skeet.

5

alexanderpas

there are actually not 5 answers, unless you call an RPG a Dungeon Design Game

tzenes

@Gnoupi only likes it because he wrote the answers

@alexanderpas maybe it is?

Arda Xi

:115018 Answer me this. Which of those are you going to accept?

tzenes

its subjective whether or not we consider it the same

if this gets reopened maybe I'll add ridiculous answers like Kingdom for Kefflings

alexanderpas

at the current state, I would accept Dungeon, but it is not yet released.

tzenes

14:50

you listed Dungeon keeper, so your correct answer is just a remake of Dunegon Keeper?

SERIOUSLY?

I should just restate the ones you put in the question

alexanderpas

:115030 note the "at the current state".

Arda Xi

:115027 And that is an answer to the question "Any Dungeon Design Games out there?"?

tzenes

@alexanderpas why didn't you just come here and ask?

alexanderpas

:115038 note the "but it is not yet released"

tzenes

I would have said: Startopia, Tropico, Diggles, Space Colony, Ghost Master and Overlord

Arda Xi

14:53

:115043 If it was released, would it be an unambigous, not subjective answer to "Any Dungeon Design Games out there?"?

tzenes

Why did you have to pollute the site?

alexanderpas

:115045 it would be if it was the only one out there (besides the ones states in the question, which could be edited in)

Arda Xi

:115048 It isn't though. There's 5 answers right now. Can you objectively pick one of them as an answer?

alexanderpas

:115044 I did, but you weren't there ;)

tzenes

He can't objectively do it

he can only subjectively

Arda Xi

14:56

:115054 My point exactly.

alexanderpas

not a single matches the description fully, so ofcourse i can't choose an answer at the current state.

Arda Xi

sure there is, Goblin Camp for example

tzenes

"I'm looking for games where you design your own dungeon for your minions to live in. It is important that the minions should do the tedious work, while you can focus on the global picture, and be able to respond to unexpected situations."

Kingdom for Kefflings

alexanderpas

:115066 dungeon?

Arda Xi

I still hold the belief that this is the only way game-rec could ever work

5

A: Voting on the future of list of X questions

I think the major flaw in list questions is not only the size, but the approach that we take. I completely disagree with the popular approach of "one-per-answer" polling for list questions. I know, everyone loves the fun of the rating system that you can simulate with votes. However, I believe it...

tzenes

15:01

:115072 I believe dungeons can be above ground

for you to say otherwise is purely subjective

It get better. Next I put down something like Overlord

alexanderpas

Dungeon

A dungeon is a room or cell in which s are held, especially underground. Dungeons are generally associated with medieval castles, though their association with torture probably belongs more to the Renaissance period. An oubliette is a form of dungeon which was accessible only from a hatch in a high ceiling. Etymology The word dungeon comes from Old French donjon (also spelt dongon), which in its earliest usage, meant "a keep, the main tower of a castle which formed the final defensive position to which the garrison could retreat when outer fortifications were overcome". The first rec...

Arda Xi

Doesn't require one to be underground

tzenes

Ah, so underground is NOT a prerequisit

Arda Xi

besides, by that logic DF isn't a dungeon game

seeing as your dungeon doesn't hold prisoners

tzenes

Then you say a game like overlord doesn't have minions doing tedious work. And I say, but it does! they do the building and fighting for me, that's tedious work

alexanderpas

15:04

> Modern criminals' dungeons -- The term "dungeon" is still used to describe an underground prison, such as the hidden cells built by certain notorious criminals:

tzenes

Next I move to Startopia, because let's face it, in my opinion Startopia fits all your requirements

@alexanderpas that means the term is used to describe an undeground prison, not that all dungeons are underground prisons

an underground prison is a dungeon, but a dungeon is not necessarily an underground prison

McKay

I just lost the game.

Mana

hurray, happy morning on Gaming chat joy for all denizens of wonder magic powers!!

tzenes

Mana

Man writing XKCD acknowledges meme, world rejoices, reposts everywhere.

uuuuuugh

Arda Xi

15:08

:115104 Randall, you mean?

alexanderpas

thanks @tzenes, otherwise i would've announced my loss of the game.

Mana

Yeah, Randall Munroe. I wasn't taking any risks if people didn't know.

tzenes

my favorite xkcd:

Arda Xi

what does that equate to?

Mana

adsfadsfasd have we honestly started this conversation

I'm gonna go take a shower or eat food or something.

alexanderpas

15:11

I can't see that image

Mana

I agree with tzenes' favorite XKCD in its current form.

Arda Xi

:115141 Clicky

Mana

Namely, no XKCD.

Arda Xi

:115149 Don't hate XKCD, hate the interblag.

alexanderpas

:115147 The page isn't redirecting properly -- Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.

Arda Xi

15:13

:115153 Redirecting? It's a direct link!

Mana

I'm getting that problem too

I guess I will disable cookies

or something

alexanderpas

Mana

No wonder he got fired from NASA.

alexanderpas

bad handwriting :D

Mana

And for being a complete show-off.

"I know some Grade 12 Math! Here, let's write it on a check."

alexanderpas

15:18

mathexchange... how much is this check worth?

tzenes

Yeah, that's the reason he did it. Not because Virizon was being a dick and trying to charge him for $ .002

its worth $.002

Mana

Thanks for the context.

Gnoupi

15:44

:115019 I wrote the answers because I wanted to see if we can have a game rec qualifying as a quality question. I tried to give screenshot, description, etc. Because from where I come from (SU), we have quality questions about "is there a program to do this", or "what are the alternatives to X". So I don't believe list questions are useless. The support is not ideal, but it doesn't prevent these questions from having interesting content, useful one.

Gnoupi

the only problem with the support is that after one page or two, all added answers are irrelevant and will never reach the front page. But aside from that, these questions are useful to learn about programs (games) you didn't know about.

Gnoupi

That's my opinion, and that's why I wrote these answers

tzenes

:115208 The problem with using the same logic here is that it ultimately gives way to argument. You wrote a number of "good" answers, but none of which @alexanderpas thinks answers his question. Ultimately what he considers a dungeon builder is not the same as you, or even myself. We all share conflicting definitions. In the case where you're looking for a tool to do X, either the tool can or can't. A game-rec, on the other hand, can not be so well defined

What's worse, the voting that people apply to a game-rec is not how well it answers the question under their definition, but rather, whether or not they liked the game. As the question is ultimately a recommendation, voters feel that selecting the best recommendation is mandate to use the answers as a polling system, instead of voting up the answer which best addresses the question

In both its design and its purpose the game-rec question fails on the stack exchange engine. What's more if we look at the larger scope of trying to attract experts to the site, the game-rec suffers from not requiring expertise. While selecting a good packet capturing program on windows requires extensive knowledge of internet protocol, packet capturing programs and ultimately windows and the windows experience, making a game recommendation requires none of those things.

It is at its simplest an opinion

Gnoupi

15

Q: What is the best software for desktop recording?

I know this question is partially a stub from: http://superuser.com/questions/201/free-desktop-recording-screencasting-on-windows However I would have to use this at work, so it doesn't have to be free, just work very well. Lended from the free post: I would expect such an application to ...

windows software-rec recording screen-capture screencasts

tzenes

and my father had a saying about opinions and the human digestive system

Gnoupi

15:53

17

Q: Alternative to iTunes to manage iPod

Hello, What alternatives are there to iTunes? I have an iPod, so it must sync with it. I like the UI, but sometimes it is painfully slow. Thanks

windows software-rec itunes ipod

Gnoupi

both are "software-rec"

Gnoupi

and both will provide you a list of useful alternatives or programs to do a specific task

tzenes

as I mentioned they have well defined answers

Gnoupi

of course it's ordered by popularity, it will always be.

tzenes

we don't have conflicting definitions of what is an iPod, what is transferring music, what is itunes

Gnoupi

15:54

but remember that the OP can always select the accepted answer, which will be on top

Gnoupi

managing, what does it mean, then?

Gnoupi

it can be conflicting

tzenes

he actually doesn't mention managing

he only mentions, syncing, iPod and not liking iTunes

he gives his reasons for not liking iTunes, but that's largely irrellivent

Gnoupi

so what he actually wants to do is not well defined

tzenes

its very well defined, he wants to "sync." In the context of mp3 players, syncing is a well defined concept

in the context of video games, "Dungeon" is a poorly defined concept

you can scroll up to see our discussion of what constitutes a dungeon

Gnoupi

15:57

my point is, of course these questions tend to become useless after some time. Check the "must have" tag, which was the terror of SU in the first weeks.

tzenes

but let's look at the screen capture question for a second

Gnoupi

superuser.com/questions/tagged/must-have

tzenes

"choose the whole desktop, a region, a window to record"

that is well defined

zoom in an area, and camera move

also well defined

the concepts he's referring to are well defined

Gnoupi

3

Q: Side-scrollers with mouse aiming?

I'm very fond of side-scrolling shooting games where movement is done with the keyboard and there is free-aiming and shooting with the mouse. Example games I know of are: Abuse - classic, this is exactly the sort of game I'm looking for Soldat - sort of 2D counter-strike Trine - though there i...

pc game-rec mouse-aiming side-scroller

Gnoupi

side scrolling, aiming with mouse

Gnoupi

15:58

controls are defined

Gnoupi

examples too

tzenes

Is anyone faimiliar with any other PC games in that style, particularly with emphasis on shooting, moving and taking cover?

those are not well defined

what constitutes emphasis?

what constitutes taking cover?

Gnoupi

...

tzenes

in MW I take cover, but not as much in Gears of War

Gnoupi

if you're at that level of splitting hair, there's not much point

tzenes

16:00

I'm not trying to split hairs

I'm showing how people might consider these to be answers or not answers

that there understanding of the question is ultimately subjective

Gnoupi

not every question has to be as sharply defined as the DF or SC2 questions

tzenes

Nor is it

4

Q: 25 ways to die in Crackdown 2

In Crackdown 2 for the 360 there is an Xbox Live Achievement (possibly the same as a PS3 trophy) which requires you kill yourself in 25 different ways. Does anyone know the list?

xbox-360 achievements crackdown-2

3

Q: How do you get past level 72 of Bubble Bobble Neo

I've had a little trouble at the beginning of level 72 in Bubble Bobble Neo for XBLA. I can't seem to get out of the initial position I am in. I found a video of someone doing it on the original arcade game, but because of the way the Xbox interprets your movement, it seems impossible to orient...

xbox-360 xbox-live-arcade bubble-bobble

both very well defined questions

even though they may seem to have open ended answers

Gnoupi

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A: What are the popular openings / builds for Terran in StarCraft 2?

There are literally dozens of Terran builds and possibly hundreds of Cheeses. As a result I'm going to try and lay out a couple of the broad strokes, but unlike Protoss or Zerg these are not going to be succinct build orders. The three major builds in Terran play are: Bio Mech 1:1:1 Obvious...

Gnoupi

"popular"?

Gnoupi

who defines that?

tzenes

16:02

you can quibble over the words "popular" or "best" but remove them from the question

Gnoupi

it's a list question too, the difference is that you wrote all that you knew in one single answer

Gnoupi

it's open ended, there is no defined solution

tzenes

But it isn't a subjective list

a Terran Opening is a well defined concept

Gnoupi

it is, popular to who? major to who?

tzenes

remove the word "popular"

Gnoupi

16:03

who says your answer represent the most popular ones?

tzenes

like I said, such a qualifier is easily removed

Gnoupi

then you have open ended

tzenes

What are opening/builds for Terran in Starcraft 2?

Gnoupi

"what are the openings for Terran", it's virtually endless

tzenes

openings and builds are well defined

Gnoupi

16:04

i can rush with my scvs

McKay

Hardly endless.

Gnoupi

it's an opening

tzenes

that's not an opening

McKay

How many openings are there in chess?

Gnoupi

i can choose to send any combination of units

tzenes

16:04

that's a cheese or an all in

Gnoupi

chess is ended by the board

McKay

What are the commonly used openings in chess?

tzenes

An opening in Starcraft is Jargon, its well defined with in the community

Gnoupi

same, it's a list, and it's subjective

tzenes

its not subjective, you're just not familiar with it

McKay

16:05

Subjective would be "What's the best thing I can do at the begging of the game"

tzenes

you think opening constitutes what you do at the start, but in reality not everything you do is an opening

Gnoupi

i'm familiar with side scrollers and dungeon keeper like games, the both questions were clear to me

tzenes

Yet alexander disagreed with your answers

Gnoupi

everything you can do is an opening, most are not effective, that's all

tzenes

he said neither constituted a dungeon keeper

McKay

16:05

Because it differs. But "What openings are being used?" is well defined.

tzenes

:115317 that's not true. Opening is Jargon in the Starcraft community

Gnoupi

ok, nevermind

Gnoupi

you're right and i'm wrong

Gnoupi

you won one internet today

tzenes

not everything you do is an opening, an SCV rush for example is not an opening

@Gnoupi do you really think running a way is a good solution?

Mana

16:07

that was the best shower ever

I don't think I've ever had a better shower in my entire life

[/obvious distraction]

McKay

What made it so great?
[/playing along]

Macha

I'd better not have got these pressure plates wrong on DF. crosses fingers

Mana

the water was the perfect temperature man

That's not even a subjective statement; anyone under this water would agree

Macha

Oh forgot a miner was down there. Pity.

Gnoupi

16:33

:115325 no, but it was 18 and I had to go home. Also, we both have our point of view on the question and clearly won't change opinion for the other one's. In the end, it's then only a matter of "how much time can you give it, since it's useless?". For me, the fact of having to leave work was a good answer to this.

Gnoupi

It was a fun way to keep myself busy until then, though

tzenes

@Gnoupi but you didn't say you were leaving for work, you gave a sarcastic remark and left. That's the internet equivalent of storming out

Gnoupi

In gaming terms, we call that a "ragequit"

tzenes

On a related topic, I have to leave for work

should be back in 20

Gnoupi

Then I apologize for the sarcastic remark

Gnoupi

16:35

had to go, simply

tzenes

sok, I don't take it personally

Gnoupi

anyway, even if i didn't have to leave, I would have stopped soon anyway. For the reasons I explained, we are anyway turning around the same ideas, and opposite opinions from which we won't move. So debating about it (between us both) is mostly a way to spend time, but at some point, it's becoming useless

Gnoupi

seeing such strictness on the questions irritates me a bit, and that's a SU mod who says that. On the same way, game-rec are obviously irritating you

Gnoupi

nothing to change from these points, let's just agree we won't agree

Gnoupi

aside from that, 48 hours before Worms reloaded

Mana

16:42

It's the walking!!!

takes a walk

alexanderpas

Worms Reloaded da da da!!

Gnoupi

Avencast is still at -50% on Steam, so around 4.5 euros, if someone was interested by it. Not sure if for the week or only for the weekend, though

Gnoupi

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A: Any games like Torchlight with WASD movement?

Avencast: Rise of the mage - An action RPG in which you control a mage, and move with WASD. It's all done in very dynamic way, dodging is important. Even though the game is from 2008, spell effects are still quite beautiful in my opinion. Your spells are to cast using "combos" like for a figh...

Gnoupi

(and you can go vote to close the question on the way, it's a game-rec :] )

C. Ross

:115412 Hooray!!!

Please discuss:

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Q: Sponsorship opportunities for site?

So the SEO team has come out with some specifics for how they could help promote. I think the sponsorship opportunity makes the most sense for gaming. What are the lan parties, tournaments, and gaming events that SEO could sponsor for Gaming.Stackexchange.com?

discussion top-7 promotion

Mana

16:55

Woah

Awesome

Gnoupi

Warning: you used all your stash of discussion for today. Rest to recover.

Mana

I'll take my walk and get back to that later

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