@Stjema -- I've been going to the gym, consistently, for a year and a half now. I tried yesterday and I could only do 6 chin-ups.

6'0. BW 200 lb.

perhaps normal because you doN't train chin ups regularly?

Very possible. However, I train a lot of the muscles that are required in chin-ups. A year and a half ago I couldn't even do 1. My point is, there's no way I can do 3 x 12. I consider myself an average male.

i know someone who weighs 110 lbs and he can do a lot more chin ups than me without ever touching a pull up bar

we don't have any data for the avg guy regarding chin ups/pull ups or? how long he needs

when i update my main question on the forums, will it get pushed to the top?

I mean, are we averaging against all living males? Because I'd put my money that the average number of chin-ups is 0.

Yes. Whenever an answer is posted, or the question is edited. I believe.

No, I mean, data from people who started to workout, and how long it took them to get to x chin ups

when im searchign on my own, private progresses from guys, they have a lot more progress than me in 6 months

I don't know where you'd find that. I'm sure if you googled "how long did it take you to do 10 pullups" you'll get something.

I get that too -- but comparing yourself to others isn't always the best. I watched someone's bench press progress on YouTube once. Their first attempt was at 225 lbs, and they went on to do 405 lbs two years later.

My max isn't even 225 lbs so you have to take those comparisons in stride.

but how can you know if you do it right without comparing ?

The only thing you should be comparing against is yourself, previously. How many could you do when you started vs. how many can you do now.

If you compare yourself against top atheletes, you're in for a bad time.

i am comparing the speed of gains of the same level of a beginner, not how much he can do right now

of course im not comparing how much arnold can lift. lol. did you really thought i meant that?

how does on compare himself to himself? don't understand how that will help you

1 1/2 years ago I could deadlift 225 lbs. Last month I did 420 lbs. That is progress to me, based on my own history. Not someone else's progress. You should do the same thing. There are probably many other people that progress faster or even slower than that but its on a personal level.

then they need to compare to others and change something

your progress looks good

mine would look more like 225 to 270

and it would take me 1234 years to get 225 lbs first

according to my previous experience

Right, so now you're comparing your current self to previous self and you've already decided you're not happy with the progress. So, somethings gotta change.

i tried weightlifting for 1-2 months. the progress there was also hilariously slow. people on a good serious forum complained that i lift so little and i should use more weight, why im not progressign etc

i am not happy because others gain faster. if they would gain the same i would not complain

Your posts make it sound like you believe you're doing everything right though. However, you're seeing no progress. So I think you need to be blunt with yourself and ask "what am I doing wrong?"

You asked a lot of questions here and a lot of people gave you advice: eat more, more reps, more sets, challenge yourself more, etc. What have you done with that advice so far? Your first question was 5 months ago. What have you changed in the last 5 months.

i am asking that myself. yes.

Alright, and what have you changed? In the last 5 months, what have you done differently? Because if you're doing the exact same workout with the same reps/sets schemes, I'm not surprised that you're not seeing progress.

i didnt train after the 6th month. i just started 30 days ago to train again

i already eat enough, and challening myself more, impossible. i trained to failure on every set.

the only thing i can do is train without muscle failure

No, I agree with him. You shouldn't train to failure on every set.

I wrote you a sample calisthenic workout. However, if those reps are too many, you shouldn't go to failure on every set. Do the workout once to failure to find your failure number and then program your workout to work up to 70-80% of that.

Example: you do pushups and you do 10 to failure. Make your program sets of 7 or 8 pushups.

Do 3 sets of 7 pushups. Then the next week, make it 3 sets of 8 pushups.

In a couple weeks, try to go to failure again and see if you've made progress. If you made progress, set your new reps at 80% of that number.

So on and so forth.

You can also do things to help yourself out because truthfully, the exercises may be too hard or too easy. You can get bands to help do chinups and pullups. You can also get a vest to weight the exercises.

ya but if you train without going to muscle failure, how do you know when to increase reps?

You test yourself every so often.

I'll speak for myself from powerlifting. I train between 70-90% of my max. On a program that goes over 12 weeks. I only test my "max" every 12 weeks.

If I follow this for the next year, I'll only go to 'failure' 4 times in the whole year.

So, in your scenario, you do your sets of pushups and every couple of weeks you test your max again. Then you reset your program. You don't test yourself every single workout.

no. i dont mean that. if i train 2 reps before failure and I add one rep to a exercise every workout. i will go from 7x7x7 to 8x8x8 in 3 days. another 3 days and im at 9x9x9. how do i now know if am at failure if previously my failure max was at 9x9x9

i.imgur.com/Ex94q1O.png i also don'Ät understand what is going on here?

better explanation: i.imgur.com/M6eIe6C.png

What does lvl 2 and lvl 3 mean?

lvl 1 is very easy intensity, lvl 2 higher one

changing leverage of inverted rows i nthsi case

thank you for helping 1to1

My suggestion: do 3 sets of 7, at the lvl 2. Do that for three workouts then up it to 3 sets of 8 at lvl 2.

When you get to 3 sets of 10 at lvl 2, change to 3 sets of 7 at lvl 3.

If you're going to a higher intensity you probably shouldn't be able to match the number ofreps.

Honestly, it just looks like you're trying to go too heavy too quickly.

Once it gets too hard, you go easier again. But the next time around you go heavier than you did. That's the idea of a progressive overload.

interesting idea

i have never read that you go down with reps and then high and so on, not in the beginner routines

That's the whole concept of progressive overloads with deloads.

Those peaks are where you test yourself, then you go light. But when you go light its still "heavier" than the last time you went light.

Over time, your "light" is much much more than when you started.

I don't know what program you're following. Assuming it's good, overloading and deload can help you get past a plateau. A quick google gave me this site: bodyweighttrainingarena.com/…

That's a way of changing to a 4 day split.

I'll be honest, if you followed that to a 'T', ate good, and slept good, and told me you made no progress still, I'd probably call you a liar.

i do reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/wiki/kb/recommended_routine

i shall do 3 workouts at just lvl2 and 7x7x7?

omg that is so easy then? i just now read it. was busy. i am going too heavy too quickly? i am a beginner who has unlimited power :D don't forget that. we, amateurs, progress like monsters... that's what you hear always

So, warmup plus the 9 workouts. That happens every other day. That can definitely work if you're following the program. It already recommends doing 3 sets of 5-8. So start at level 1, do 3 sets of 8. If that is too easy, next workout do level 2 for 3 sets of 5. Work your way to 8, then up it to level 3 and go back to 5 reps.

I don't know what you mean by "unlimited power" but that's pure nonsense.

im already doing what you mentioned. going to 8x8x8, and then harder intensity and less reps. but i dont see progress

with unlimited power i just mean the typical linear progress in beginners

i never had that :(

Go to 8x8x8, then up the intensity and go to 5x5x5. That's what your program says. "Upping the intensity" though is doing a whole new workout so it will take a bit of getting used to. Incline pushups to standard pushups is a good jump.

go to x8x8x8 from what point?

you mean from lvl2 8x8x8 to lvl3 5x5x5?

as you said few minutes ago?

upping the intensity is not a new workout, its just making the exercise harder with leverage or more time doing the negatives

Yes. Take squats for example. If you can do 8x8x8 of standard squats, try doing 5x5x5 of the split squats. Work up to 8x8x8 with split squats then move to 5x5x5 of the bulgarian split squats.

yap i do that

You've got more levels to go though.

You went to level 3, don't go back to level 2.

Keep doing level 3 until you can do 8 reps consistently, then go to level 4.

i went to lvl 2 because i could not progress, i mean i progressed too slow

after 10 workouts i went from lvl3 5x5x6 to lvl3 6x6x6...

too slow

perhaps bcs. too close to failure.

but i think i am 1 rep before failue

Keep at level 3, don't go back to level 2. Don't go to failure though, pick a number. Start with 5x5x5. Even if you feel like you could do more in the first set. It hurts your last set. 5x5x5 is better than 6x5x4.

In terms of "too slow" -- maybe you just need to be more patient.

I'm increasing my deadlift max by 5% over 48 workouts.

Things take time.

yeah.... guess why. you not beginner. i am one. :/

Don't fixate on the whole beginner and beginner gains thing. That's bro-science.

research shows that beginner gains are not bro-science tho