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4:40 AM
@mart Hallo o/
 
user116211
Hmm... I really would try my best to get your point in the water answer.... damn to my high-school intellect ;/
 
@MAFIA36790 I need some help in a physics question.
 
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@manshu ask..
 
actually...come in the h-bar.
 
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@manshu okayish.
 
user116211
5:21 AM
Hmmm... I've searched all my folders... but damn, I didn't get that pdf ;(
 
of that AIPMT question?
 
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Okay, @Mart do you know about the paper... which deals with water not being sp3hybridised?
 
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@manshu nay ;)
 
@MAFIA36790 what paper are you referring to?
 
user116211
5:36 AM
I couldn't remember... but you gave the URL to me... it told water is not sp3 hybridised.
 
It says that Hybridization for water is sp4
lol
It does not mean that there are 4 p-orbitals!
it means that each hybrid consists of 20% of s and 80% of p AOs
 
5:54 AM
@manshu That's what I also calculated...
@MAFIA36790 I don't remember giving out an url to a paper about water...
do you remember when and where?
 
user116211
okay, let it be... it was telling something about some fraction in the hybrdisation and not some integral....really all are vague in my memory... in 2014, here at Chem SE; not my question. I downloaded it but skipped it since it was beyond my scope then... sorry for disturbing @mart.
 
no problem... that's a long time ago ;)
Many questions and answers given, etc. you forget things ;)
 
Good morning!
 
user116211
@Martin-マーチン: but if you have some related ones, then you can give the links :)
 
user116211
@CowperKettle o/
 
5:58 AM
I would be glad to find it...
 
user116211
Read electrochemical series @cowper?
 
@MAFIA36790 Not everything yet.
 
@MAFIA36790 You might want to start with the link from rodriguez
 
As I understand, this is an impossible reaction.
 
user116211
5:59 AM
I am furious with APS and now this :(
 
it is fairly recent and I am very sure they have a whole lot of explanation... you will need to work your way up the citation chain...
 
user116211
@mart thanks for that! However, I cannot access that ;/
 
me neither :/
I would have tried to work it into my answer...
 
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@hippa gave me a link... which I could use to access these...
 
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But it never works for more than a week ;P
 
user116211
6:01 AM
 
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> www.sci-hub.io/ not found
 
user116211
;(
 
They should open a sci-hub mirror in the Tor network
 
user116211
I would dig all the posts of 2014.... it would take time but I would definitely make it @mart ;))
 
haha....if you have time.... that's a pretty tough endeavour though...
 
user116211
6:06 AM
yeh, yeh... I'd very busy for two or three months.... but if there is determination, there is always a way ;))
 
user116211
feeling like Oliver Queen
 
> If you will it, Dude, it is no dream.
 
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Q: Reaction of a carboxylic acid with sodium bicarbonate? Edit

johnnyIn experiment 1, you study a neutralization reaction involving an acid and a base. Oxalosuccinic acid (H3C6H3O7) is a tricarboxylic acid. It reacts with NaHCO3 (sodium bicarbonate or "baking soda") to yield carbon dioxide, water and sodium oxalosuccinate (Na3C6H3O7). Balance the following r...

 
user116211
Okay, this is a good title.
 
user116211
Does OP want help in \mchem?
 
6:16 AM
yes \
 
user116211
6:29 AM
Really sorry sir for I have not achieved enough intellect to cherish your answer; nevertheless I will definitely read your answer in the near future after gaining a stern mathematical ground:} — MAFIA36790 Jun 26 '15 at 13:32
 
user116211
hahaha... was that I behaving so childish ;_;
 
@MAFIA36790 You have not seen some of my questions
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Q: How to produce fumes in chemistry lab?

FreddyIn chemistry lab we perform experiments to find the unknown solution. I just want to produce some fumes in lab. We are only allowed to use few common dilute solution like $\ce{NH_4Cl}$, $\ce{NH_4OH},$ $\ce{HCl}$, and few more which are generally allowed to students. Is it possible to form fumes ...

@Martin frankly speaking, my practicals are over in 15-20 minutes but my lab teacher wants that we should be there for at least 45 minutes.But after this she will not force us! — Freddy Dec 11 '14 at 18:03
comment to @mart :p
 
user116211
@Freddy That's epic... hahahahaha...
 
haha... yeah I remember this...
 
user116211
6:44 AM
okay, @mart I've got something...
 
user116211
This is 1987's ;/
 
Oh, that sounds like a good one...
 
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So, it traces back to 90s... wow!
 
I'll have a closer look later. Need to finish some of my work before that.
 
user116211
6:48 AM
@Martin-マーチン me too... no time to read... but at-least I found some related one ;)
 
user116211
Bye, comrades; see you guys in the evening o//
 
@MAFIA36790 Well that is the Journal of chemical education. There will be some deeper scientific analysis of it much earlier. Probably late 60s... one simply has to find it. But at the same time one needs to find the first proposal of "the rabbit ears".
What is the reason for concluding 2 lone pairs versus 1 or 3? For example Mulliken has in table V the b1 orbital being a definite lone pair (no H population) but the two a1 orbitals both have about 0.3e population on H. scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jcp/23/10/10.1063/… Would it be wrong to say only one of the PES energy levels corresponds to a lone pair, and the other 3 has some significant population on hydrogen? Are Mulliken's calculations still valid? — DavePhD 10 hours ago
and read my replies... Mullikens paper was 1955! Back then it was already a discussion
 
7:19 AM
I don't get this. Two Chromiums lose a total of 6 electrons, going from right to left.
14 hydrogens lose a total of 14 electrons
So, 20 electrons in total
Of these, we have 6 electrons in solution
Where did the rest go, the 14 electrons?
O_o
If we read from left to right, then Cr(+6) gains 6 electrons, and H+ gains 14 electrons. But there are only six electrons available. O_o
(it's from here)
There aren't enough electrons in the first equation.
 
7:37 AM
@CowperKettle from left to right, chromium is reduced from +6 to +3, it gains 3 electrons each
@CowperKettle hydrogen neither gains nor loses electrons
 
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Q: Half cell reactions for oxidation of water by acidified solution of potassium dichromate

CopperKettleFrom Chemguide: I don't understand the first equation. The chromium atoms in the dichromate ion receive 6 electrons, and their oxidation state declined from 6+ to 3+. But where do the 14 hydrogen cations get their 14 electrons in order to form water with the seven oxygens?

@Martin-マーチン But we have protons, oughtn't they first get some electrons in order to combine with the oxygens..
 
Nope. The oxidation state of oxygen in the LHS is -2, the same as in the RHS. No change. Same for Hydrogen (+1)
 
So each oxygen buds off the dichromate ion as a minus-two ion, and instantly couples with a hydrogen cation nearby.
Thanks!
Question ditched.
 
i was just answering it...
 
Yes?
Undeleted.
Maybe it will help others.
 
8:02 AM
Yes it might, that's why I decided to answer it ;)
 
I see, typical novice questions are more apt to attract more visitors to the SE. (0:
I wonder how they measure this value.
You can't bubble Cl- gas, obviously.
Maybe it is done without the use of the standard hydrogen electrode, but relative to some other chemical.
 
8:43 AM
Will we need to additionally acidify this? Because by itself, nitric acid will provide only one H+ per one NO3(-) moiety.
Three additional H+ ions will have to come from somewhere else.
 
9:39 AM
I've one question.
 
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Q: Melting and boiling points of transition elements

RafiqueThe melting and boiling points of transition elements increases from scandium ($1530~\mathrm{^\circ C}$) to vanadium ($1917~\mathrm{^\circ C}$). They increase because as we go across the group, we have more unpaired (free) electrons. But at chromium ($1890~\mathrm{^\circ C}$) however, the meltin...

 
In the standard electrode potential table, do we assume that the metal, say, cadmium, has been assayed in a solution of 1M of CdSO4?
I get 'math processing error' with the $$ notation.
$\ce{Cd}$
"Error preparing HTML-CSS output (preProcess)"
I came across this problem on a Russian forum.
Here, we have a cadmium electrode in a 0.01 M solution of CdSO4.
THe reference number in the table must be for a 1 M solution of the same, I gather.
The potential is -0.40 volt relative to the hydrogen electrode, but that's for the standard concentration of CdSO4 (1M)
We need first to ascertain what the voltage will be if we take 0.01 M solution of CdSO4 versus 1M solution of H+ (standard hydrogen electrode)
 
 
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user116211
11:41 AM
@Martin-マーチン replies? I would say rreepplllieessssssssssssss... ;P
 
user116211
@CowperKettle I've not asked a serious question till yet ;(
 
12:05 PM
@AndersMB I was thinking more about the meaning of configuration, and it's very vague. I found a presentation where I said configuration == CSF. I would avoid ambiguity by only using determinant and CSF, not configuration or electron configuration.
 
> "The way to get good ideas is to get lots of ideas, and throw the bad ones away." (Pauling)
 
user116211
@CowperKettle yep! It's in my profile!
 
A nice one!
 
user116211
@CowperKettle my profile or the quote ;P
 
Both!
 
user116211
12:08 PM
@cowper You can check the list:
 
I've found a new English expression there
Noun: be-all and end-all
  1. (idiomatic) Something considered to be of the utmost importance; something essential or ultimate.
  2. He thought that cars were the be-all and end-all of life.
  3. Profit is the be-all and end-all of business.
  4. 2014, A teacher, "Choosing a primary school: a teacher's guide for parents", The Guardian, 23 September 2014:
  5. The compulsory tests in reading, writing and maths at the end of years 2 and 6 are often mistakenly seen as the be-all and end-all of a child's chances in life, and the quality of their school.
 
user116211
@CowperKettle I got it in idioms list in my book.
 
user116211
Oh! @penta o/
 
user116211
12:22 PM
Gibbs energy change is positive? This means there is a positive difference between Gibbs energy of product and Gibbs energy of reactant although there is a negative difference between that of transition state and product... it's crystal clear and quite trivial fact. I'm not getting what you aren't getting. — MAFIA36790 37 secs ago
 
@pentavalentcarbon I see. Thank you for good advice!
 
user116211
did the right thing, right ;P
 
2:56 PM
S + NaOH >>> Na2S + Na2SO3 + H2O
How on earth could one know that it will give these results?
Seemingly a disproportionation reaction.
Is there a description why exactly the SO3(-) ion forms?
S attacts makes an OH- break apart and grabs oxygen?
Another reaction for dumb rote memorization.
 
3:11 PM

 Iit members

Teachers and stdents of iit
@MAFIA36790 ^first time saw that!
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA WTF!!!!!!
 
haha
 
user116211
@chem please... help me, i'm getting fainted ;/
 
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!!flip Iit members
 
ノ ̄□ ̄)ノ ~┻━┻
 
user116211
3:15 PM
._.
 
user116211
!!flip/Iit members
 
(۶ૈ‡▼益▼)۶ᴉᴉʇ ɯǝɯqǝɹs
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA: Is it active or frozen?
 
active
 
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But I'm not active there at Math ;(
 
3:18 PM
@DeNiSkA since when is it active?
 
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@hippa o//
 
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@hippa your exams finished?
 
@MAFIA36790 My written exams, yes. I'm preparing for the orals.
 
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ohh.
 
user116211
3:22 PM
@DeNiSkA It's less IITians, and more of IIT aspirants.
 
3:40 PM
@MAFIA36790 correct
@manshu this room was created 12 days back
 
hmm...nice...just after I failed :p
 
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@DeNiSkA: I would better suggest to go only on the main rooms and not those.... I'm not criticizing anyone... but still.
 
@MAFIA36790 yeah! main room guys are awesome
 
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And yeah... there was no need to create a special room for IIT, I deem... It's a good college.... that's it, but common folks make it a cult ;(
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Very well said. Noice
 
4:02 PM
IIT is famous because of **money**(lol)
 
erm.. what's ITT ?
 
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!!wiki/IIT
 
IIT may refer to: A number of technology higher education institutes: Indian Institutes of Technology, a group of 19 higher education institutes in India Illinois Institute of Technology, a private Ph.D.-granting research university in Chicago, Illinois, USA IIT Madrid (Instituto de Investigación Tecnológica), the research institute of the ICAI School of Engineering at the Comillas Pontifical University in Madrid, Spain Indiana Institute of Technology, in Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA Informatics Institute of Technology, in Wellawatta, Sri Lanka Inha Institute of Technology, the parent institution of...
 
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The first one @hippa
 
Oh, that explains why I've never heard about it :P I don't know anything about Indian universities
 
user116211
4:05 PM
@hippa are you undergrad or grad?
 
@MAFIA36790 I'm not sure how that translates into the French system. I think at the end of undergrad ?
 
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ah... hmm...
 
user116211
@Hippalectryon Is French system the same as German's?
 
lol!!!!! the best "POLAR" bear i have seen .........
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA where?
 
4:07 PM
@DeNiSkA dissolves in water
@MAFIA36790 Not really. According to wiki it's undergrad (last year of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…)
 
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;(
 
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!!flip/French system
 
(╯°ਊ°)╯︵ɟɹǝuɔɥ sʎsʇǝɯ
 
4:09 PM
hehe
 
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@Hippalectryon the link ;_;
 
@MAFIA36790 What's the issue ?
 
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@Hippalectryon You gave me a link, right?
 
@MAFIA36790 yes
 
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It's not working.
 
4:11 PM
It works for me :ç
The classes préparatoires aux grandes écoles (CPGE) (English: Higher School Preparatory Classes), commonly called classes prépas or prépas, are part of the French post-secondary education system. They consist of two very intensive years (extendable to three or exceptionally four years) which act as a preparatory course (or cram school) with the main goal of training undergraduate students for enrollment in one of the grandes écoles. The workload is one of the highest in the world (between 35 and 45 contact hours a week, plus usually between 4 and 6 hours of written exams, plus between 2 and 4 hours...
 
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Ah!! you missed it @hippa!!
 
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Grandes ecoles? What's that @hippa?
 
The Grandes Écoles (French pronunciation: ​[ɡʁɑ̃d.z‿ekɔl], literally in French "Grand Schools", meaning "Elite Schools") of France are higher education establishments outside the main framework of the French university system. Most were established by branches of the state; the oldest, École nationale supérieure de techniques avancées, in 1741. The Grandes Écoles select students for admission based chiefly on national ranking in competitive written and oral exams, while French public universities have a legal obligation to accept all candidates of the region who hold a corresponding baccalauréat...
 
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It's really complicated ;_;
 
user116211
4:14 PM
The English system is, by far, the best.
 
How so ? I find our system very convenient ._.
 
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@Hippalectryon I like those of Germans.... but they hardly give courses in English ;((
 
@MAFIA36790 I mean, what's specifically good about the English system ?
 
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@Hippalectryon I'm not Flash ;_;
 
French is romantic language this is a quote in my English text book. lol
 
user116211
4:17 PM
Indian system is based on English system and it's the shortest comparing any other system. @hippa
 
@MAFIA36790 By "shortest" do you mean the one with the least years overall ?
 
The Romance languages (sometimes called the Latin languages, and occasionally the Romanic or Neo-Latin languages) are the modern languages that evolved from Vulgar Latin between the sixth and ninth centuries and that thus form a branch of the Italic languages within the Indo-European language family. Today, around 800 million people are native speakers worldwide, mainly in Europe and the Americas, but also elsewhere. Additionally, the major Romance languages have many non-native speakers and are in widespread use as lingua francas. This is especially the case for French, which is in widespread...
 
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@Hippalectryon Don't know about the postgrads though :(
 
@Hippalectryon a chem undergrad is 3 years
 
> In 1865, two English laboratory assistants died several weeks after helping to synthesize dimethylmercury for the first time.
 
4:19 PM
@orthocresol haha
 
user116211
@CowperKettle Are you frightening us?
 
@orthocresol I'm not sure what that means. How is the "year 0" chosen ? (for instance in France most people basically go up to the BAC where they're around 18, and then if they study for n years we'll say they're BAC+n)
 
@MAFIA36790 I've just read about this. Scary.
 
user116211
@cowper: What is the system of education in Rus?
 
@MAFIA36790 As everywhere, I guess.
 
4:21 PM
@Hippalectryon Wikipedia writes "Students are selected according to their grades in High school and the first part of "Baccalauréat" (equivalent to A-levels in the United Kingdom or Advanced Placement in the United States)."
 
In Rus, there was hardly any system of education though.
 
typically people do A levels when they are... roughly 18
 
user116211
@CowperKettle The systems vary from country to country ;(
 
@orthocresol ok thanks. Next, what's the limit between grad and undergrad ? (since we don't have those in France)
 
@Hippalectryon undergrad generally refers to a bachelor's degree, which typically takes 3 years
although if you are doing medicine, it takes much longer :p
 
4:23 PM
@orthocresol So... how exactly is the Indian system "shorter" if everyone takes 3 years on average ? (or where you not referring to the Indian system ? I'm confused)
 
user116211
@Hippalectryon Ask me ;P
 
@Hippalectryon I don't know anything about India haha
 
@MAFIA36790 I ask you then :P
 
I was talking about UK
 
@orthocresol ok
 
user116211
4:25 PM
Hmmm... the definition of undergrad and grad are not same though everywhere.
 
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But
 
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Damn, when I am in need, 3G turns to 2G
 
@MAFIA36790 haha!
 
user116211
it takes three years to get a BS and two years to get a MS in an int. BS-MS degree in natural sciences in Ind @hippa
 
user116211
After that, post-graduation begins....
 
4:31 PM
@MAFIA36790 Looks the same in France from what I gather on google
 
user116211
@Hippalectryon wow! that's good?
 
user116211
We first pass HS exam, then give respective admission exams.... and then get admitted to undergrad programmes.
 
@MAFIA36790 We kind of have the same except the exams are two years after the end of HS
 
user116211
@Hippalectryon WoW! Now, I must say I'm jealous of you T__T
 
user116211
We get no time. Within a month of giving HS, we have to take entrance exams.
 
4:44 PM
Why ._. the school I want to go in has roughly 20 available slots for hundreds of applicants
:(
 
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@Hippalectryon :((
 
user116211
@hippa you want to major at chem, right?
 
@MAFIA36790 not at all hahaha
@MAFIA36790 If I get the school I want I'll try to do physics and maths
 
user116211
@Hippalectryon \o/
 
user116211
I was always dreaming of physics.
 
5:05 PM
I don't understand why ethanol won't react with NaOH.
It reacts with pure Na to form an ethoxide.
 
5:18 PM
@CowperKettle why should they react?
 
@pH13-YetanotherPhilipp I don't know. I'm trying to recall why Na reacts with ethanol.
It's a set of problems at the end of a textbook's chapter.
I've already forgotten the properties of alcohols..
 
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!!greet/@Canageek
 
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Salutations
 
user116211
Bye, comrades o/
 
5:24 PM
bye, Mafia, Hi, Canageek
Okay. Alcohols are like water. Na pushes its electron upon the unsuspecting hydrogen of the alcohol's OH group, and sneaks up to the rest of the alcohol molecule - like it usually does sneak up to the OH- group after fobbing off his electron to water's hydrogen.
Na+ of the NaOH cannot push its electron, since it's short of one.
THis is why it NaOH does not react with ethanol?
O_o
 
@Hippalectryon J'ai eu ma réponse pour le diagramme de CO
 
 
1 hour later…
7:00 PM
@CowperKettle No, they don't:
> So, in this case, it's the hydroxide reacting with the alcohol, not the sodium ions. The sodium ions are just a spectator in the reaction.
 
7:26 PM
@Shadock Alors c'était quoi ?
 

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