The Periodic Table

3:17 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

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4:39 PM

I just finished drinking 10 mL of hexanes am I gonna be ok or should I try to wash it down with some lead benzoate

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Nitric acid is in my stomach, so it should be safe to drink right? If it's good for cleaning out glassware it'll help me detox

6:21 PM

@StevenGrigsby WHAT?

@pH13 WHAT?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M WHAT?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M teh other chat r00m

I saw it.

I saw that I was in the wrong chatroom after pinging you

but then I thought that pinging you could never be wrong

Yes, it could only end up in someone's death.

so you admit on researching the nuclear bomb?

bad guy iranian!

6:27 PM

Yes, and we're going to bomb Earth.

7:40 PM

@ron Can you please check if you got a new privilege? They (SE) seems to have rolled outv a new 25k privilege.

8:02 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Where would I check?

@ron Hullo, um, I think it should be somewhere right there.

Can you check your notifications and achievements?

is that on my profile page?

tell me exactly how to check, I'll return later

Probably. You can also check your privileges.

"Achievement dropdown" is where you go when you see a +10 @Ron.

8:43 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M the site-analytics stuff?

@ron maybe somewhere here?

if it is the site-analytics stuff

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pH13 what's your display pic, some kind of shiny molecular orbital?

9:00 PM

@StevenGrigsby a very shiny orbital, yes

one of the useless high lying virtual ones of pyridine

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Nice, 5th quantum number, b for beauty

if you write an @ before the name, the resp. user gets pinged

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Oh pyridine is one of my favorites

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Well, I'm a little more fond of pyrrole though

wait ... it's not pyridine ... it's the one with two N in 1 and 4 ...

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9:04 PM

1 and 4? 1 and 2?

pyrazine

this is it

and the image was made with iboview.org

user161117

Oh fancy, so why the affection towards pyrazine?

somehow it was there and I thought a fancy orbital would look nice

and somehow I need to take his challenge: We are commited to making quantum chemistry more shiny! The first person who uses IboView's super-shiny mode in an actual publication (and cites the curly arrow paper) will receive my personal Friends Of Shininess award! 8]

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lol

I hope the award will be as shiny as the orbital

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9:14 PM

So you do quantum chemistry, what kinda stuff do you do? I've got a bachelors and I have been looking more and more into computational chemistry

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To be honest I feel like my knowledge is so damn flimsy

I will do my master thesis on Ruthenium dyes in comp chem

user161117

That sounds really pretty cool

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So you're basically modelling the HOMO and LUMO and energy difference to predict the pretty colors?

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Ok that sounds like I'm talking down on it but I am really into that sorta stuff

9:16 PM

we are more interested in oxidation/reduction stuff

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Can you tell me more nitty gritty stuff like how you model it? Are you looking at potential energy surfaces with hartree fock and slater determinants or

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I don't really know how you'd go about doing that, or what sorta software are you using, Gaussian, Spartan, GAMESS, something else? I am trying to see if this is something I can survive the next 4 years or so doing

afaik, no one should actually do hartree-fock

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Yeah as far as i know it's an average-field approximation that's not so great

there are so many comp chem groups out there doing so many fancy things

I'm not sure if the group where I'm in is represantative

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9:20 PM

Well I've been reading through Frank Jensen's Intro to Computational Chemistry the past week or so

where using mostly gaussian, turbomole and molcas

@StevenGrigsby the complete book in one week?

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Hell no haha

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I'm sorta lingering in chapter 3 right now

I don't think that you should look for sth that you can "survive" but sth that you really want to do

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Well that's basically what I mean

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9:22 PM

I won't survive unless I can enjoy it

exactly ... but I don't know how you can find that out :D

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How much math do you actually do

I took comp chem courses during my bachelor study and since then I am into it

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Because I love math, I don't want to be a computer monkey just inputting data

;D

I think that strongly depends on your group/professor ...

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9:23 PM

Fair enough

I don't do much math and I'm glad that I don't have to ... but in the future I bet I can't ignore it too much ;)

but when you love math stuff, maybe comp chem stuff and maybe in general theoretical chemistry or physical chemistry can give you what you are searching for

@StevenGrigsby the input stuff is the one thing, but from my small experience, that can be hard enough

but the main part will then be about what you need to do with the data that you produce

and that can be another hard task

especially if you're doing stuff for which no common programs exist and you either have to write your own programs on doing the further math or have to use/figure out how to use some programs by others from your group ... there is much to do to kill time ;)

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9:42 PM

Sounds good

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At least you seem to be where I want to be

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you're sorta doing research and trying to make new stuff to solve your problems

We have to

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You have to know the math and also programming and chemistry

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I like that broad range of skills

9:43 PM

in near future I will, yes ... or at least I will have to learn it ;)

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Yeah I've been teaching myself programming the past 2 years now in my free time

which language?

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I think it's kinda paying off, I really enjoy programming now while 2 years ago I hated the idea

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Java

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but now I've been branching out to Javascript and Python since a lot of people seem to be using those

9:45 PM

afaik, there is not much Java in comp chem

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I wouldn't mind learning FORTRAN although I heard that's a killer

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Honestly it doesn't matter much from what I see, Java is just what I happened to learn, a good solid OOP language and python and JS are fairly similar, just some different syntax here or there but the concepts are more or less down

sure

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Oh and MATLAB but that's just cause I love linear algebra

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is Gaussian a programming language or more like tools or

9:47 PM

meh ... I never got a friend of Matlab

user161117

how does it work

it's a comp chem program

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So it's like a calculator basically

basically

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like ph 13 basic?

9:48 PM

;D

gaussian.com/index.htm

what a jerk thing to say chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/36911/elements-and-atoms/…

@santiago I think, you got a new friend.

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Haha

yay for me!

another know-it-all-nitpicker

well, I have flagged it

10:13 PM

@santiago

WARNING: ARROGANT JERK DETECTED. THIS BACKWARDS NAME GUY HAD HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM, AND THE GUY THINKS HE IS A GOD OR SOMETHING.

Just don't engage.

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I keep seeing this guy's backwards name and thinking it says P.A.M.Dirac

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yes, there is a 25K priviledge, I can view site analytics.

I haven't engaged and don't intend to - but, I am not willing to be labelled as a 'stalker' in any capacity

but, my flag on that comment was declined

user161117

I don't get the philosophy of these stack exchange sites

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like the point stuff

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10:18 PM

Like are all these super smart dudes just in it for the points?

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Like is there a way to just remove the points on this site so I don't see them or get bothered by them I don't want to earn badges or play this game thing I just want to learn some chemistry lol

@StevenGrigsby crazy ... it's all about the repz!!!!!!!1111!!!111

and for @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M it's about flipping tables (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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lol well I better go load up on some memes next time I come here

@StevenGrigsby Well then we have so much to talk about the philosophy of SE.

@StevenGrigsby japaneseemoticons.me ... no thanks needed ... just put them all on @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

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10:23 PM

I am 1,3-cyclopenta-dying right now

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halp

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M actually likes to get pinged with ಠ_ಠ

@pH13 You're lucky I'm on mobile.

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ping me, I dare you, I already turned off my sound

as you say halp ... there is a funny picture that I HAVE TO show you

10:24 PM

@ron Thanks for acknowledgement!

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gr8 meme m8!

that's the magical HALP-car

call it when URGENT HALP is needed

like the safety car in formula one

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"HALP-car grant me ur magical octane, so that I may chug your glory"

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I'm trying to calculate the LUMO of cyclomethyne can someone help

@StevenGrigsby what's your problem?

10:32 PM

superstructure.info/StackExchange/math/meta/…

To @San, with love:

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I don't know what's worse there

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the guy ranting or the people responding as if it matters

:D

Didn't you need help with calculating LAMO?

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yeah LAMO of cyclomethyne

10:36 PM

Sheesh you people need a hobby.

Like me.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M did you mean LMAO?

Sheesh you people need a hobby.

user161117

I actually meant HOMO

@pH13 If that's the Spanish for lame, yeah.

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of the hetero atom

10:37 PM

5 mins ago, by pH13

@StevenGrigsby what's your problem?

@StevenGrigsby

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lol

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M like bicycle-kung-fu?

user161117

well first off I don't know what the molecular formula is

@StevenGrigsby I bet, google knows

google.com/…

Here's what Google knows Mr. LMGTFY.

10:40 PM

then the name is wrong

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nope it's right

what is the context?

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it's a cyclic one carbon chain with a triple bond

how can a chain consist of "one carbon"? it's late here ...

Should I laugh or cry?

10:42 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M cry, that makes me laugh

@StevenGrigsby I am seriously reconsidering my involvement here

@santiago ?

user161117

cyclomethyne it's just organic chemistry guys

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simpler than methane, only 1 hydrogen since the other three bonds are tied up in a triple bond to itself

1 min ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Should I laugh or cry?

ςερτυθιοπλκξηγφδσαζχψωβνμ Hey this Greek keyboard is cool.

10:46 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I mean my participation across the SE network

@StevenGrigsby cyclomethyne does not make sense ... so there must be sth around that name ... or do you only want to calculate CH?

@santiago Nah, don't let it get to you. If it's annoying you a lot, take a break, and come back when it's fun again.

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I feel like I took this joke molecule too far

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so I have to end it

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:'(

10:49 PM

Well I did not cry, don't worry.

I made @pH13 cry though.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M it's not 'getting to me' - other reasons..

?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M not quite

@pH13 Yeah right. I already see tears rolling down your face.

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mmmm

10:50 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M like you heard my aunt screwing me?

Don't tell me now.

superstructure.info/StackExchange/math/meta/…

Guyses this one's even better.

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lol

there is always a bar over his I ... wtf

@pH13 Hush he's a typography expert and rules us all.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Ī see

10:57 PM

That member is the kind that is insignificant in real life, or is a 'big fish in a small pond' and, like lightness et al, suffers a mind-meltdown when they see that rest ofthe world does not worship them.

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Haha

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Truly poetic

Mathematical

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Wait can you do latex in here $\int_0^\infty x^n e^{-x}dx$

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how'd you do that bar over your I

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10:59 PM

I'm so jealous

user161117

how will people know my planck constants are really reduced while speaking in chat :O

but, I still do not appreciate being called a stalker

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What if they think I'm using the oxidized planck's constant? :(

I don't know what the "Zeichentabell" is in english ... but it is this thing that windows provides for all the extra letters that are no common on your keybord

U+012A

charmap <- maybe the name

@santiago Take a look at their about me in different SEs.

They're sour, and they wanna make you sour.

11:03 PM

one thing that will drive that member mad though, is totally ignoring their remarks - which I am doing - I will be responding to ron in that comment thred though

Don't let them win.

they won't

that is never the issue

Maybe mod-flag and explain that "stalker" is offensive?

user161117

Yeah, I mean who doesn't stalk people on the internet these days

user161117

it's not a big deal

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11:06 PM

backwards kid has the right idea

@StevenGrigsby me.

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If you respond at all santiago, he's already won

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M tried and it was declined

@StevenGrigsby Teen, there's a difference.

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Oh

11:07 PM

@santiago Then just reply to them and say that it's offensive.

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Sorry I never got out of the habit of calling people kids

user161117

Don't reply don't reply don't reply

@StevenGrigsby I am not responding to that member, another member made a good point in a comment earlier - am responding to him

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Oh ok

@StevenGrigsby he is kung-fu teen ... don't confuse with karate kid

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11:08 PM

can I be the kung-fu infant

there wrote a comment, addressing ron's early comment

@StevenGrigsby DON'T reply!!!

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I'll reply good idea

@StevenGrigsby Son.

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"Hey we were all just talking in chat about how you're a big meanie rude head kid"

11:11 PM

folks, just to repeat, I am not going to reply to that member, not at all

K.

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"first one to chug a whole bottle of isopropyl alcohol mixed with hydrogen peroxide wins!"

@StevenGrigsby \me iz kewl.

@StevenGrigsby I can't do that. I'm a trihydrogen caution.

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woa

Stupid Autocorrect.

I meant cation not caution.

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11:13 PM

cation pronounced like action

it is slightly disappointing that he offensive flag was declined - have re-flagged it as 'not constructive'

Well most of it is OT.

@santiago Hadn't noticed that comment until I read your latest comment in response to my earlier comment. It was rude and I flagged it.

@ron I flagged it as rude/offensive, but it was declined

@santiago yes I understand... strength in numbers

11:23 PM

but, you should ask that question!

Terminology FTW.

Now am I an element, a molecule, an ion, a Godzilla or what?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I always enjoy reflecting on your new avatars, wondering if the dotted lines are really going in the appropriate directions in this one?

@ron What do you mean?

@Mith didn't like the other normal convention for drawing three centered bonds.

So I changed so it'd look like this.

Still, it's not really real, so not much point in arguing over conventions; but how do you expect it to be @ron?

@ron if it is declined for you, might be worth making a meta post

maybe sth like this ... ?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M yours looks hand drawn ... did you?

11:30 PM

Yup.

faaaaancy

Or more like mouse-drawn.

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Clearly this is coordination chemistry

@pH13 First time I hear someone say MS paint is fancy.

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bonded to the atom in the center with atomic number 0

11:31 PM

@StevenGrigsby That's where you're wrong. Z=-1

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M where do you rank an equilateral triangle in the voting?

user161117

woah we're dealing with anti hydrogen?

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nice

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M it's a youtube link again, but you might want to watch it youtube.com/watch?v=v2g5qbvb7F4

@ron Oh so you wanted a triangle? Hmm.

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11:32 PM

Correspondingly, anti hydrogen isotopes with more anti neutrons in anti water is called "light anti water"

I might change it now and then @Ron.

And blame autocorrect for capitalizing R.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M not wanted, but expected, your "road to nowhere" made me think

So, @Ron @pH13 @Steve, what should my next avatar be? (Am sleeping now, will comeback tomorrow to see your votes.)

@StevenGrigsby light anti water, I like it! I think it would be a big hit in restaurants with the calorie counting crowd.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M a completely new one is possible?

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11:35 PM

2-Norbornyl cation

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Yeah definitely, plus we can advertise that it will literally annihilate the pounds away

@pH13 It's not possible, it is an avatar.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M touché

@StevenGrigsby among other things.

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details details

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11:37 PM

it's dihydrogen monoxide that's the killer, so the anti molecule of this is clearly good

or an anti-@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M molecule

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@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Oh I am saying this should be your new avatar 2-Norbornyl cation

It seems one can't simply stop you guys from talking gibberish. Oh well, I'm your leader, so egg yolks on me.

@Ron what do you think my avatar should be? (I've already tried tetramantane)

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is that 4 manatees bonded together

yes, yes it is - an they were not happy

11:41 PM

Not bonded, glued. 123

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I mean I can imagine mommy, daddy, brother and sister manatee having a picnic

user161117

laughing over a good family-themed joke

What were they doing in my profile? :O

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M here are some versions from a good inorg chem book

Oh no, not boranes, oh wait.

11:42 PM

go with helium hydride

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2-Norbornyl cation

In organic chemistry, the term 2-norbornyl cation (equivalent with 2-bicyclo-[2.2.1]heptyl cation) describes one of the three carbocations formed from derivatives of norbornane. Though 1-norbornyl and 7-norbornyl cations have been studied, the most extensive studies and vigorous debates have been centered on the exact structure of the 2-norbornyl cation. The 2-norbornyl cation has been formed from a variety of norbornane derivatives and reagents. First reports of its formation and reactivity published by Saul Winstein sparked controversy over the nature of its bonding, as he invoked a three-center...

You aren't over that trihydrogen already?

user161117

that H_4+ is like cyclopropane without the propane :O

I might try a weird conformation of good ol' cyclohexane.

Like the ones that twist like a Boa.

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do the impossible catenane of cyclohexane then