@MyWrathAcademia Apologies for the late reply.. yeah I think Hosch's advice is reasonable, as it's a very much a work-based conversation you probably want to weight the response more towards the work side but it's good to get some personal-orientated goals in as well (demonstrates that you are "rounded" individual). As it's an internship I think talking about how you want to learn and grow your skills is good and totally appropriate

Happy Monday all. Here's to a good week...

@MyWrathAcademia Yes, it is. That's a very good catch.

Monica's final farewell.

@MisterPositive not, unfortunately, a surprise.

no, but at this point, all the support/reinstate Monica stuff can stop.

@MisterPositive I doubt that will make much material difference, I only expect to see increased numbers of people just..drifting away.

@motosubatsu if they make a decent product I agree.

People will still use SO

@MisterPositive oh absolutely.. and likely for some time to come. Something of the size of SO doesn't sink overnight. It may even be that what SO morphs into is (ironically) something closer to what was originally envisaged - a fairly functional knowledge base.

The community aspects always struck me as being something of a pleasant bonus - particularly for the company in that it gave them access to significant free labor in moderation terms

It feels to me like SE is being pulled 3 ways right now.

#1 is the community feeling of it. We like having our groups and friendships and stuff, but they aren't the main focus of the site.

#2 is the knowledge base side. What SO was all about at first.

And #3 is the welcome wagon. Solve everyone's problems custom for them for free, since they won't read the docs or stop making duplicates.

And #3 is winning; or so it seems to me.

And a lot of the #1 and #2 people are leaving, and #3 can't be sustained without them.

I think #2 is probably more sustainable than you think - particularly on SO itself, yes there are a few significant MVPs (so to speak) such as the Legendary Jon Skeet but I don't think there's any sign of their being a shortage of people to answer stuff in general.

Bearing that in mind #3 is essentially a replacement for #1 - a different feeling community is a still a community. Even if it's one that was very different from the community of the days of yore.

@motosubatsu to be clear, IMO, SO is what makes the SE go round

the others are just for boosting numbers

@MisterPositive absolutely.. everything else is purely to retain the long tail traffic and prevent losing that to quora/reddit etc

There's never been any question of it being otherwise.

Which is why the network sites that have lost most/all their moderators will simply be left to their own devices. If they prove more trouble than they are worth they'll simply be closed - because it would be madness from a business perspective to do otherwise.

@motosubatsu spot on.

(Coming back from lunch.) I agree, I think #2 isn't leaving so much as the intersection of #1 and #2. The problem is, most of the the #1 were also in #2.

The pure #2's barely even know what's going on.

#3 is troublesome to me. Between Skeet and Gravel and the other C# pros, I don't even bother to try to answer SO questions because they are all duplicates at this point.

There is a spurt of new ones each C# version, and then it stops.

(Well, I actually closed my SO account the other day, for that matter.)

@Hosch250 on the non-SO sites that's more true.. but they aren't the sites SO Inc will be worried about. As long as SO itself continues to receive good question and answer rates that's all that matters, this is why SU and SF will likely get folded into SO sooner rather than later.

Yeah. Which is also why apparently some SE employees have even been telling people about Codidact.

Either that, or they aren't worried about losing their jobs :P

I'm not sure, but I'm worried Codidact is already falling apart. Almost nobody is working on it full-time, so it's moving slowly, and several people are arguing for them to switch to their favorite stack instead of sticking with C#.

@Hosch250 Yeah, not sure how that will go, but I am keeping an eye on it out of interest.

My guess is they'll get their MVP out, and then it'll slowly die.

Most of the non-SO sites will likely end up on Reddit.

Are any of you guys familiar with Docker? I'm getting stuck getting two containers to connect over the bridge network.

:joy:

I'm no lawyer, but dang, I think SO is in deep trouble with licensing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

The editing part. Derivative works are not allowed until 4.0 (I wonder if that's why they switched?), but even then, they can't share the derived work.

Oh, NVM, that's the by-ND variant.

Hmm, the major difference with 3.0 and 4.0 is 3.0 works best in US courts and is somewhat iffy in other court systems.

Whoa, just noticed Joe is closing the 300k milestone