The Water Cooler

12:49 AM

Folks, did we have a stack for management questions (or am I having a case of creative memory)?
I know we've got a stack for project management (PM), but that's not it.
I'm looking for HR information.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

2:11 AM

@NickAlexeev Well this(The Workplace) is probably the best place for an HR related question.

Masked Man

4:18 AM

@IDrinkandIKnowThings I have a good idea which specific question you are talking about in this case. As a rule, I vote to close any question about "Can employer do X?" if it doesn't specify a location clearly, either in the post or in the tags. Keeping the question open raises the chances of providing a wrong answer. The answer may be "yes, of course" in one part of the world, but "no, of course not, are you serious?" in another.

Given people's urge to jump on the answering bandwagon armed with their own assumptions of the situation, things are better this way IMHO. The question can always be reopened with the missing info added, but once a wrong answer has gained some upvotes, getting rid of it and/or the question is PITA.

Nofel

8:55 AM

Morning all

@TheSnarkKnight I bought 4-5 books over weekend on personal development. Started How to to stop worrying last night, already killed 3 chapters all I can say is it’s amazing.

@motosubatsu what’s up

motosubatsu

mornin nofel

Nofel

9:22 AM

Morning, how was the weekend?

motosubatsu

9:59 AM

it was ok...nothing special really. You?

Nofel

Yea nothing special too. Had looking for contract but nothing yet of today, as I said yes on Wednesday, recruiter think it will be mid of week

Had to wonder why

motosubatsu

the wheels of bureaucracy turn very slowly

Snow

Morning both.

motosubatsu

a delay of about a week or so isn't unusual - it's annoying certainly but it's actually rather common

@Snow morning chap

Nofel

Family wouldn’t understand that.

I m going for indoor skydiving

Today, to help someone make a decision of making a career out of it.

Snow

10:07 AM

I'd love to do outdoor skydiving.

Nofel

Ditto @Snow

I rather go

Morning snowball

motosubatsu

@Snow I did a tandem jump a few years back, it was terrifying and completely and utterly awesome

Snow

Excellent. I bet that a solo jump would be even more so.

Nofel

@motosubatsu what’s the difference between outdoor and tandem

Snow

they're the same thing. tandem is where you're strapped to a professional and you're just there for the ride.

motosubatsu

10:12 AM

@Snow I'd love to do a solo.. but the odds are just a little too scary for my liking

Nofel

U need lessons for solo I guess

motosubatsu

@Nofel yeah there's a whole course you have to do.. starting with "fixed line" where you are attached to the plane by a line (as I understand it) and when you hit the end of the line it pulls the chute for you as it detaches

and there's loads of ground training as well

Nofel

I have to take scuba diving instead

I hope, 2017 has been very busy for me

I m hoping to get house 15 min walk from work so I can invest more in my development

Starting from studying.

Is it worth it, paying a bit more rental to save time on personal dev?

Snow

10:27 AM

Only you can answer that one. I'd go with the cheaper rental myself.

Having more time at home might not always guarantee that you have more time to study. At least not for me.

It would just give me more time to do the jobs that my partner tells me to do.

Nofel

U mean house chores?

Snow

Yes, those.

Well, she doesn't give me chores to do. She just complains when I don't do them.

Nofel

10:46 AM

lol. It’s every house story. Every man

jserv

Roasted and salted almonds, man. I can cram in an extra 600 calories a day just munching these at my desk.

How's it hanging, watery coolers?

Snow

I just ate a whole packet of chocolate peanuts. Really did perk me right up.

motosubatsu

@jserv damp and chill

Snow

Dog tired after working all weekend on a roll-out.

Masked Man

11:05 AM

Just got one more badge! You guys are now one step closer to freedom from me. :P

Snow

Altruist, sweet.

I only recently worked out that you can get the 'Yearly' badge on a yearly basis.

Nofel

@jserv haven't had breaky and it made me hungry

Nofel

12:25 PM

Sitting in eye hospital and reading recommended book. This book is gold! Nevertheless books r gold

thanks @TheSnarkKnight

Now I know I might have a good decision coz worry triggered a pain in my neck few weeks back

N it starts out of no where

"Sometimes I think books are the only friends worth having." BILL WATTERSON

I just stumbled upon this quote on Twitter

Masked Man

1:20 PM

@Nofel "Lord protect me from my friends, I can handle my enemies myself."

Nofel

1:38 PM

Sweet. Very deep @MaskedMan

The Snark Knight

Don't forget, the word "friend" is only one letter away from "FIEND"

@Nofel I know from experience how valuable those books are. The quite literally changed my life.

Nofel

1:51 PM

I bought some new ones that was good table of content

What’s fiend

Kaz

fiend
noun
1.
an evil spirit or demon.
synonyms: demon, devil, evil spirit, imp, bogie; More
2.
informal
an enthusiast or devotee of a particular thing.
"a football fiend"

Also, monking @all

Chris E

Ding Dong! The Manson's Dead!!!

The Snark Knight

@Nofel sorry, I tend to use subtle language.

Morning @kaz @ChrisE

@ChrisE At least there will be no more interviews or parole hearings where he can grandstand.

Nofel

@ChrisE morning

@Kaz thanks n morning

The Snark Knight

2:36 PM

THIS is a great example of a potentially controversial question being asked and answered with maturity.

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Q: Should I mention my name change in my resume, when it could expose me to discrimination?

I'm transgender. I legally changed my name a couple of years ago. I'm worried prospective employers might try to verify my older experience when I was using my old name, and conclude that I'm lying because those companies have no record of my current name. However, I don't want to mention the nam...

Chris E

And yet it's off topic on several levels. specific choice, primarily opinion based, goal we can address...

Not to mention, if this is only about a name change, "I'm transgender" isn't relevant. Many people change their name. I suspect that if there's going to be discrimination, that would come after the face-to-face interview.

It's the rare transgender person that doesn't look....off.

The Snark Knight

@ChrisE you mean The uncanny valley?

Chris E

That site needs to die a horrible death. It's like a computerized OCD sociologist. Everything has to have a label and fit into some little box.

The Snark Knight

@ChrisE I only use it for humor these dayst

days

Kaz

3:13 PM

@TheSnarkKnight The way I see it, unless you're desperate for a job, you should make it clear to employers what your situation is, so that the ones who would never hire you anyway will pass you over at the CV stage, and not waste your time with phone screens and interviews before they realise who you are and quietly drop you from consideration.

Or worse, hire you before they find out your situation, and then contrive to find ways to fire you.

The Snark Knight

@Kaz yeah, a previous employer of mine REALLY didn't like autistic people for some reason. To say that they were creative in finding ways to get rid of me would be an understatement. I have to give them credit for monitoring my bathroom time though.

Snow

3:27 PM

My brain hurts.

The Snark Knight

3:42 PM

@Snow likely from the spate of recent bad questions.

Snow

I've hardly been here all day. Too much going on here in the real world.

Mister Positive

@ChrisE I edit the HQN content out.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

-1

Q: Delayed Entry Reserves and Job Seeking

I am legally-speaking a servicemember. I am in the Delayed Entry Reserves, hence only "legally-speaking." Several months ago, I went seeking a better career. I applied at several locations, and after no immediate luck, I tried enlisting in the USN. There were medical and legal complications wit...

united-states background-check fraud

Mister Positive

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Yep, saw it

IDrinkandIKnowThings

Please consider a reopen vote. The US military is a huge employer and many people are affected and this is answerable by our experts.

Mister Positive

3:49 PM

I removed my down vote, I will re read it later

IDrinkandIKnowThings

Fast forward to today and it turns out that most companies don't want to hire a green 'straight-from-school' consultant. The only projects that don't have this prerequisite are those involving weapons! - That may be the scariest thing I have ever seen on SE

motosubatsu

@IDrinkandIKnowThings yeah.. thought that was a little strange myself

jserv

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Disturbing.

Credit to that employee for resisting, however. He could make a very good transition to an ethical company with a very good reason why he chose to switch.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

want to know why the military has cost overruns on projects... they put green programmers on figuring out the problems.

motosubatsu

that said I know next to nothing about how the weapons/defense industry in the US works, over here it's relatively small and it's actually quite heavily restricted to get into in some ways

IDrinkandIKnowThings

3:53 PM

@motosubatsu It is restricted here too. I can be hard for anyone who has lived anything but a chaste and pure life, that is over the age of 25 to get clearance for the first time

The Snark Knight

@IDrinkandIKnowThings I never worked for the military, but I can attest for other public sectors. Before I took a single class on programming, I could run circles around our IT department.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

but at 18 everyone gets a clean slate. If you can get through college with out getting a criminal record or screwing up your credit its pretty easy to get a clearance

motosubatsu

@IDrinkandIKnowThings I suppose I hadn't thought of it like that.. likewise an 18 year old here (assuming no dodgy teenage hijinks) would likely get at least SC clearance if checked

IDrinkandIKnowThings

The US military only has a few in house R&D billets. Most of them are contracted out to McDonnel Douglas, Boeing, JPL, KPL, or a half a dozen other prime GVT contractors. Who then bring in sub contractors to work on the project

Even if you committed murder for hire at the age of 12 and were tried as a juvenile you could get a SC. So long as you do not belong to or associate with any organizations the government has deemed subversive

@motosubatsu and actually at 18 I think they take your parents income and criminal history into account. I think you have to be 21 to get rated on your own merrits

The Snark Knight

@Snow I changed my mind, cast the final reopen.

motosubatsu

4:04 PM

Any clearance above the very basic levels over here is quite rigorous and regardless of age they get into you, your family, anyone you live with. I don't know what impact (if anything) any juvenile criminal record would have actually - it wasn't an issue for me since I didn't have anything to worry about. Probably the most common reason over here is any financial irregularities

jserv

@motosubatsu The money was just resting in my account...

motosubatsu

I actually had one of my team get declined a clearance as a result of previous financial issues - you are seen as a potential bribery risk

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@motosubatsu Yeah thats the problem here too. Especially if you have student loans that are defaulted

DarkCygnus

Oooiii!

Good day people

It's a meeting day for me today, so I'll be a bit low profile

IDrinkandIKnowThings

I used to have an SC. I worked on the space coast for a while

Snow

4:06 PM

@TheSnarkKnight I totally respect your point of view here.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

I saw lots of people declined for clearance because of financial issues. Probably the number one cause was having some debt in charge off or having too much debt for their income.

motosubatsu

the level above mine is apparently insanely invasive into your life, including interviews with yourself and people in your life about everything including sexual preferences (potential blackmail issue), a friend of a friend went through it in order to do some contracting with the company building our nuclear subs and he said it was seriously unpleasant

IDrinkandIKnowThings

lots of times because they were stupid and got a pottery or liberal arts degree and couldnt get a job.

so they defaulted on their student loans.

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Q: How to manage an "over worker"?

I have a direct report who is chronically stressed out and always seems on edge. I've tried to lighten his load as much as possible. I highly encourage time off, including just cutting out early or showing up late. The position is salaried. But no matter what I try he always seems to personalize...

management manager employees stress

Quick close this please so it can be saved if we get more information.

The Snark Knight

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Yeah, when I went to get mine, the interviewer mentioned that as the #1 reason people get turned down.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

If it gets a semi decent guess answer it will be harder to fix this for the op

The Snark Knight

4:13 PM

@IDrinkandIKnowThings cast 3rd VTC

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@TheSnarkKnight Ironically you can care for a mistress or 10, if you can afford it as long as you disclose this to the government.

The Snark Knight

@IDrinkandIKnowThings yep, so long as you can't be threatened or blackmailed.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

but not being able to pay off your bad decision to get a student loan gets you a veto

The Snark Knight

Three of my family members had Top Secret clearance.

@IDrinkandIKnowThings It makes sense though. A person who can't be bribed or blackmailed is better than someone who is deep in debt. "Da Tovarisch, we can be helpink with your little financial issues if you are for to gettink us what we need"

Kaz

@TheSnarkKnight I'm definitely never getting that. One look at my chat history and I'm sure they'll find any number of reasons to disqualify me ^^

IDrinkandIKnowThings

4:18 PM

@Kaz They wont look at your chat history

Kaz

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Depends if they find it or not.

The Snark Knight

@Kaz So long as you are not posting anything subversive, it shouldn't affect you.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@Kaz Edward Snowden was posted a lot of things that should have been a red flag. They didn't take them into account and he got the highest level of Secret Clearance available to a non-elected civilian. It may have changed some, but I doubt much because they have numbers to meet too.

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Q: How can I solve our insufficient breaks without negatively impacting availability?

I work as lead instructor for a high ropes course in inner London. Obviously, it's a safety-critical position - I'm responsible for the safety of both our customers and my team. The problem I'm having is that we don't get allocated sufficient break time - but I can't see an easy way to extend it ...

united-kingdom legal break-time safety

My gut says that should be off topic(specific company policy) but im not sure

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Q: Should I mention my name change in my resume, when it could expose me to discrimination?

I legally changed my name a couple of years ago. I'm worried prospective employers might try to verify my older experience when I was using my old name, and conclude that I'm lying because those companies have no record of my current name. However, I don't want to mention the name change because ...

resume hiring-process discrimination gender

I really think the trans gender context belongs in the question.

The Snark Knight

4:34 PM

@IDrinkandIKnowThings it's not policy, it's safety and HR issues for the breaks.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@TheSnarkKnight those issues are specific to that workplace

Kaz

@IDrinkandIKnowThings I think it should be On-Topic. The specific policy in question is pretty common & widespread in many industries and any question about how to change it there should also have reasonable applicability more broadly.

The Snark Knight

agree about trans being an issue. Name change in and of itself is only part of the question.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@TheSnarkKnight I edited it.

The Snark Knight

@IDrinkandIKnowThings This answer is going to attract a sh1tstorm if we don't down-vote and delete is

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A: Should I mention my name change in my resume, when it would expose me as a Transgender?

There are multiple kinds of discrimination, just as many as there are multiple kinds of people. For some employers, it would be difficult to be a transgendered person regardless of hiring; and if they discovered at any point of the hiring process it would probably be disqualifying (regardless ...

IDrinkandIKnowThings

4:40 PM

@TheSnarkKnight I dont "Like" that answer but I dont think its any sort of hidden trolling

I suspect this question will end up with a controversial post notice

The Snark Knight

@IDrinkandIKnowThings It's more grandstanding and provides very little that hasn't already been said multiple times.... IMO

Mister Positive

I have edited the transgender part out several times...

To me the OP is clearly trying to stir the pot

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@MisterPositive It needs to be in there it matters

@MisterPositive But its a valid question

Mister Positive

this question then belongs on IPS

IDrinkandIKnowThings

It works here too

Mister Positive

4:43 PM

okie dokie

IDrinkandIKnowThings

just because it is potentially controversial, and likely to hit hnq does not mean its an invalid question

The Snark Knight

I'm more concerned about that one answer, full of virtue signaling as it is.

Mister Positive

@TheSnarkKnight agreed.

Nofel

I is back from skydive

25 quid for 2 min

Cookie time now

The Snark Knight

@Nofel not bad.

My reply to the comment in my answer may have been a bit snarky, but ....

DarkCygnus

4:46 PM

but you are the Snark Knight

IDrinkandIKnowThings

Your votes are your votes. I personally would choose to wait until it becomes a problem to try to delete. If it starts getting the comments we expect then i would jump on the delete train

motosubatsu

@Nofel that's good.. by comparison when I did my "real" skydive it cost me far more than that (I think it was about £120) and you only get about 50sec in free-fall then a few minutes of drifting down under canopy. Still I imagine the view was somewhat more spectacular than what you'd get at the indoor variety

DarkCygnus

seems that is a Low Quality Monday so far...

IDrinkandIKnowThings

But right now its cvil

motosubatsu

where did you do it out of curiosity? was it at the place near the Trafford Centre?

IDrinkandIKnowThings

4:47 PM

even if lacking in real substance

The Snark Knight

@IDrinkandIKnowThings fair enough.

Nofel

Yes @motosubatsu

IFly near Trafford

My helmet clip got loose. It left me with rash on skin

motosubatsu

@Nofel I really should give that a try.. I've been to the complex a few times to 'board at Chillfactore but haven't tried out iFly yet

IDrinkandIKnowThings

hmm I should try it and see how it compares to the real thing.

except then I will get the bug and want to jump for real again and I am way to out of shape for that :p

Nofel

I got A in entering and exit

4 thumbs up by instructor

motosubatsu

4:52 PM

@Nofel were you not a bit weirded out by the fact that the instructor had 4 thumbs?

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@motosubatsu Not nearly as much as the 3 three noses...

Nofel

@motosubatsu haha good one

Mister Positive

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Agreed weakish answers.

Nofel

I have to try chillfactor boarding

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@MisterPositive And weak answers get down votes not delete votes. Those are for answers that are disruptive.

motosubatsu

5:14 PM

'boarding is *cool* I've got to be honest in that Chillfactore isn't the best -
the lift queue is a nightmare to navigate on a board and the slope is a little bland but the "snow" is usually in pretty good condition with very little ice. Plus it's my closest indoor slope by some margin.

Mister Positive

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Thanks for the tip.

Kaz

Just put in a request for new screens. Mine are about to turn 7 years old ^^

DarkCygnus

Having 2+ screens can greatly improve your performance

Kaz

5:31 PM

@DarkCygnus I already appropriated a 3rd one ^^

The right 2 are not height-adjustable.

Mister Positive

@Kaz Open office?

Kaz

@MisterPositive Very.

Mister Positive

@Kaz eeeek

Kaz

Wouldn't help. I still get constantly interrupted anyway ^^

Chris E

ewww, python

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DarkCygnus

5:35 PM

Cool, the vertical screen is also a great idea

Kaz

But yes, this is why I have big, black, "do not disturb" headphones.

DarkCygnus

I think that is C++ @ChrisE

Mister Positive

the visuals would distract me to no end.

the sound I can deal with as you are @Kaz

Kaz

@DarkCygnus Nope, Python, can confirm ^^

DarkCygnus

Can't read it too well :v

Chris E

5:36 PM

a path in the bottom window of the left monitor says "Python" :)

DarkCygnus

heyy I recall that one day Chris said to me "Just use python" when I was thinking of using Java

Plot Twist: It is Cython

Chris E

@DarkCygnus Wasn't this Chris that told you that.

In all my life, I've never told anyone to use python.

DarkCygnus

That comment was even starred If I recall

Kaz

In the bottom-left, you can just make out the stack of textbooks that sit on top of my pc and constitute the next 6 months of my degree.

DarkCygnus

(could have been Enderland perhaps)

Kaz

5:40 PM

Not Displayed: The dragon that guards my coffee.

He recently celebrated his 1st birthday

DarkCygnus

Oct 27 at 20:17, by enderland

just use python!

Confirmed, was Enderland :) sorry @ChrisE lol

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Mine are guarded by Dinosaur plant holders

Kaz

Oh. Yeah. I forgot chat is usually light-themed.

Right. work is over. Now to start 4 hours of studying ^^

See you all later

DarkCygnus

See you @Kaz

Nofel

6:08 PM

@Kaz how do u study. Are u married?

As married ppl can’t

DarkCygnus

6:18 PM

@Nofel He never said what or whom he is going to "study" ... ;) ;) ;)

David K

@Nofel Married people can't study?

Nofel

@DavidK not as much as being single

For some reason I cannot coz I gotta look for kid after work and till 10 I m tired af

@DarkCygnus 😂

DarkCygnus

@Nofel seems like Kaz will also end up tired ;)

The Snark Knight

I've always found that duct tape greatly improves my ability to study.

DarkCygnus

@TheSnarkKnight ... to "study"

Yes, it is effective when the other one does not want to "study" with you

The Snark Knight

6:31 PM

@DarkCygnus yes, silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

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Kaz

@Nofel Definitely not. I study by completely ignoring any parts of my life that are not eating, sleeping, working and studying. Times like this I'm eternally thankful to be an introvert :)

The Snark Knight

6:55 PM

I'm not so much an introvert as I am a misanthrope.

Kaz

Just installed some Data Analysis software. In the program folder, there's a file simply named "UNWISE.exe". I am so tempted to run it.

The Snark Knight

If I were a bit more evil, I'd make a virus and title it "Do_not_open.exe"

Kaz

7:11 PM

@TheSnarkKnight Or maybe just "Proof-HR-Is-Your-Friend.exe" ^^

The Snark Knight

@Kaz not even I could be that evil.

although, anyone who trusted in even the POSSIBILITY would sorely deserve it/

Kaz

#PlotTwist HR planted the file in order to trick people into running suspect software

IDrinkandIKnowThings

7:31 PM

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Q: My colleague has spread fake rumors about me. How can I deal with this professionally?

My colleague is my biggest enemy and has spread fake rumors about me. One of my colleague was insulting me, making fun of me for no reason and i felt very disturbed. In anger, I snubbed him and told him to get lost. From that day we have not talked. Its been 3 years now. I don't plan to change ...

professionalism colleagues team unprofessional-behavior conflict

Why is this off-topic? Can we do something to save it? This seems like something that should be squarely in our wheel house

DarkCygnus

7:51 PM

@IDrinkandIKnowThings I think your edit improved it

Although I fear that 3 years later he may be a bit late for that...

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@DarkCygnus I do too. But I am still puzzled about the -3 score. I think it was closed good because it needed fixed, but its -3 and nearly deleted and that boggles my mind

DarkCygnus

The -3 I don't know why, I just VTCd

probably due to the How can I deal with this professionally before the edit

Or the Downvote cascade factor

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@DarkCygnus Thanks just making sure I am not missing something.

DarkCygnus

Pet peeve of the day: Lower case letter i when referring to oneself.

@IDrinkandIKnowThings another thing that could have caused the DVs is the fact that most of the post focuses only on the difficulties and problems the OP is facing.

That could be trimmed down

IDrinkandIKnowThings

I did trim out alot of the OP's judgement and feelings

DarkCygnus

8:06 PM

I'll see if I can think of a way of trimming it down. I'll vote to reopen after that, cause I still think it is more focused on the difficulties rather than what OP wants to do

He is a grown up adult man, not a kid. His Teammates/friends laugh at me, seems like always making jokes on me, always looking at me with hatred and finding ways to hurt me(even maybe physical). It appears that they have said something very ugly/hurtful about me , that now people have stopped talking to me and they don't even smile or greet me anymore.

this whole part I think can be removed @IDrinkandIKnowThings ... it is already discussed in the previous paragraph

Chris E

I'm not going to give time to a post that is almost certainly crap or written by an complete and total idiot. "For 3 years..."

Give me a break. My BS detector's screaming at me

IDrinkandIKnowThings

trimed up a bit more

DarkCygnus

@ChrisE I liked your comment on the post.. but yeah seem like troll alert

Chris E

Or the person is a moron for sticking at a crappy job for 3 years and suddenly whining about it.

DarkCygnus

But I recall we agreed to give those posts the benefit of doubt

IDrinkandIKnowThings

8:09 PM

@ChrisE you do not have to answer every question though

Chris E

Enemies? Give me a break.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@ChrisE or the job is great it is just random dbag01 that causes the op stress

The OP has his own share of the blame in the situation clearly, and I think the OP realizes this, or they would not try to make the situation better

Chris E

That's like saying, "This thanksgiving dinner is great, except for the turkey and the pie giving me diarrhea.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

yeah but sometimes the stuffing and scalloped corn are worth the pain

Chris E

lol

DarkCygnus

8:16 PM

Ooorr the Reversal badge :) 2 more Dvs and a great answer and you get it

motosubatsu

Sounds like both sides are acting like kids in a playground rather than adults in the workplace to me

Feeds

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Q: Reopen question about repairing soured workplace relationship

My colleague has spread fake rumors about me. How can I deal with this professionally? This questions seems to be squarely in our wheelhouse for questions we want to be able to help with. I understand the concept is complex but there is no reason I can see that we should bar this question from ...

discussion specific-question reopen-request

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@DarkCygnus ?

DarkCygnus

@IDrinkandIKnowThings that it is worth the pain, because you could get a reversal gold badge if the question reaches -5 and your answer 20

sorry, forgot to link to your las comment, so mine didn't make much sense

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@DarkCygnus I suck at people. I get processes. I have more of an interest in the answers to the question than just wanting to help :p

The Snark Knight

8:29 PM

@motosubatsu agreed. The best thing to do with an annoying coworker is to push him out the door.

DarkCygnus

@TheSnarkKnight or sleep with his wife, and slap him

I was wondering if we should make a Meta TWP post about our memes... seems like the Meta SE guys have theirs

motosubatsu

@IDrinkandIKnowThings VTRO, the question reads better in it's latest form and how to reestablish working relationships is bang on topic IMHO.

@TheSnarkKnight indeed.. Not always feasible though, and seemingly it's frowned upon to simply murder them and throw them in the dumpster out back

@DarkCygnus that would be fun...and unfortunately you know how SE views fun!

The Snark Knight

@motosubatsu Fun is VERBOTEN

DarkCygnus

@motosubatsu but... but... they have one already, why can't we have ours? Its Meta TWP anyways no rep involved... if Shog permitted the Aprils Fool post to stay by locking it why would such meta TWP be closed?

It could be a Comm Wiki, like the one on SE

The Snark Knight

@motosubatsu I had to push a coworker out the door(figuratively) after he started blamestorming and tried to push his mistakes off on me. Took me three months to do it.

DarkCygnus

8:38 PM

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Q: The Many Memes of Meta

Catchphrases and concepts that spread from person to person are known as memes, which, courtesy the Internet, can now explode across the Earth like a highly contagious virus (hence "going viral"). As with their real-life counterparts, some infectious diseases are global (pandemic), while others a...

support faq fun memes

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@motosubatsu Here let me strap you in to the SE Fun machine

motosubatsu

@DarkCygnus oh I agree.. In fact I love the idea

The Snark Knight

You know we need one for HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND

IDrinkandIKnowThings

motosubatsu

@TheSnarkKnight and JoeFacts, and Nofel and his milk exploits, and COOKIES

The Snark Knight

8:40 PM

@motosubatsu we need to start archiving the joefacts

:D

DarkCygnus

@TheSnarkKnight John Skeet is actually a Meme... surely Joe would be one here

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@motosubatsu So is slapping and crying

DarkCygnus

(They even got another SE post on John Skeet facts... which could be here made for joe lol)

motosubatsu

@TheSnarkKnight amen to that!

DarkCygnus

That's it... I'm going to write such Comm Wiki

just let me finish digesting my lunch and finish my cup of coffee

motosubatsu

8:42 PM

@IDrinkandIKnowThings and of course headphones

DarkCygnus

I'll flag for some Mod later to ask it to become a Comm Wiki, as by the procedure suggested here

Nofel

9:55 PM

Just got my new contract. It’s lengthy as hell

@TheSnarkKnight again the sharp teeth of doubt sink in me

6 months probatiom

@IDrinkandIKnowThings looks kink to me

The Snark Knight

@Nofel When you're being chased by a bear, you focus on running, not the bear. Do your job and don't worry about it.

Nofel

10:13 PM

The part where it says “conditional” offer is scary

And they need my carts. Whereas I am school d

high school dropout

N those certs r in hometown

Country

IDrinkandIKnowThings

10:30 PM

@Nofel Which is why you never submit your notice until they present you with a firm offer.

DarkCygnus

what do you think of this edit guys....

workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/102929/2

(my inner voice says rollback, but want to hear what you say)

IDrinkandIKnowThings

could i get a few votes on : stackoverflow.com/questions/47402161/… : to bump it up on the active chart.

DarkCygnus

10:45 PM

lol

So you want to sanitize your inputs?

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@DarkCygnus No

Its a false positive....

I do not want them to be able to submit sql or ldap injection

DarkCygnus

can you replace('&', 'dummy') or similar?

IDrinkandIKnowThings

Then the password will not authenticate...

DarkCygnus

hmm

is there something like raw texts?

like those that look like r"your/&raw/$#rext"

IDrinkandIKnowThings

I dont know

Thats why I asked the question on SO :p

DarkCygnus

10:52 PM

:P

IDrinkandIKnowThings

The problem with turning off the validation entirely is that it allows for ldap injection

DarkCygnus

So what can you actually change of the code? You say you cant mess with that other system

IDrinkandIKnowThings

My system just leverages the AD of the domain to allow for SSO

I can change my login page, but I really do not want to try to reinvent the protection that M$ has already spent 12 years making solid

DarkCygnus

(side comment, try adding more tags for increased visibility)

So, the user can actually login with that odd password but you get an email every time?

IDrinkandIKnowThings

yeah in windows but not on an asp.net validated login page

DarkCygnus

11:00 PM

so how could the user create that password in first place (why was it allowed)? You say it was randomly generated?

hmm

I am starting to see your dilemma

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@DarkCygnus yeah he had generator page, he pasted it into the windows change password form and it was accepted...

Nofel

@IDrinkandIKnowThings so now I got the offer. Should I submit my notice. I m scared that meanwhile in one month what if company withdraw offer?

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@Nofel NO

DarkCygnus

wait until you have a signed contract

IDrinkandIKnowThings

Do not submit your notice until they have removed the conditional

DarkCygnus

11:01 PM

and negotiate a start date that fits to your Notice Period

@IDrinkandIKnowThings so basically, the password is created and accepted in another system, that allows such characters. Then, you use that database entry to authenticate, but that part is the one that does not support such characters. Correct?

IDrinkandIKnowThings

We have over 50k active users, and this system has been up and running since 2008. This is the first time this has been an issue. I would love to tell my boss not to worry about it chances of it ever happening again are small but...

If i shut off validation it works. But it also opens us up to injection attacks

DarkCygnus

11:24 PM

OMG ... I left a program running some heavy algorithm. Now, one week later, it finally stopped...

Damn

I would rather have it crashed or never stopped, now I fear that that week was in vain lol

DarkCygnus

11:35 PM

IT WORKED!

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