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12:06 AM
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Q: Please stop that troll

deviantfanA bit much for a flag text, so... It starts with New employee has offensive Slack handle due to language barrier A manager asks what he should do about an employee not able to speak english properly and not able to understand his chat name is offensive and embarassing. Final update, solved ...

 
12:29 AM
@JoeStrazzere any hunch on the other troll account?
 
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Q: Why I "troll" from question

Poonjay PoundriI ask Manager tell me slack name not ok? People say "troll" I search "troll" why "troll"?

 
hoo boy
 
Yeah this... has been interesting...
 
I gave it a shot; trying to leave very little up for discussion. We'll see how that goes...
@PoonjayPoundri glad to see you have made your way to chat so quickly after joining the site.
 
1:15 AM
@DoritoStyle yeah, that accounts just been removed by the looks
 
1:33 AM
And what I predicted has come to pass. It's also why you don't dox your employees
 
 
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4:10 AM
@ArtOfCode The account has been suspended for 2 weeks. That means the troll could be back, though I doubt it.
 
 
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5:52 AM
@Lilienthal I can tell that from the network-wide suspension.
@StackExchange Aw, missed that (┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻
 
 
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9:27 AM
is it me or are there alot of People here because of yesterdays "battle"?
 
There seem to be a couple of extras, but it's not really a 'full' attendee bar by any means. It's crazy when you get a full-on invasion :-)
(Remembering last Christmas - the swooping chat invasions were quite amusing)
 
9:48 AM
Well the fact that someone went in and said Oooh new Chat room, don't think I have been here for Intervention yet. Made me look at the left side a bit more than usual :P
 
@RaoulMensink People forget to click ''leave''. I don't think many people are stalking.
 
I suppose so
 
I, on the other hand, favorited this room. It reminds me of The Periodic Table, our own chat.
 
didnt know you could do that O.o
 
10:16 AM
Favouriting is essential. I have all mine favourited, so when I connect in the morning I can click on Rejoin All and I'm in all the chat rooms I need
 
And in all the chatrooms you don't need
 
Well - there are 15 I need to be in, and 6 nice to haves, and another 7 on sites I am really interested in
 
Charcoal is nice-to-have I reckon
 
Yup
If you click on a user profile in chat it shows what rooms they are in
 
SE Podcast eh?
 
10:19 AM
SE podcasts are always good value :-)
S/always/often
 
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Q: Does the low rep comment barrier decrease quality of the comments?

Ryad ShaanbiI don't understand why the rep requirement for comments on meta is this low. In my opinion 25 would improve quality of comments. But has the low rep requirement actually made the comments that much worse?

Now this is something you don't see everyday.
 
10:31 AM
@JeffQuick Yes. I have hunches.
 
A Long while ago I proposed to raise the required rep on protected questions to over 1000 for answering and 500 for comments atleast. As on many sites hitting the rep cap on your first week happens more often than one would assume. Also I see no reason why someone with less 1000 rep should have the right to answer protected questions as protected questions often catch low Quality answers from this Group of users and dont even get me started on comments.
@M.A.R. Long Story short. I honestly think SE would be greatly improved if some things like this just got a massive rep requirement when any mod feels the need to do so
 
@RaoulMensink Well, it might be that sites like The Workplace earn you rep much faster than the average SE and that's the reason for your complaint about Protected questions. The only other site I see complain about this is ELU, not even SO.
 
10:48 AM
@M.A.R. Like I said even in a low low vote rate site as SharePoint I have seen People hit the rep cap on their first week. Either they get upvotes for their question, answered and recieved a bounty question or just a really common Problem that got solved or improved
That being said protected questions more often than not are HNQ questions as such a new user will only be grabbing points not to answer the question or even just answering to be a part of it.
 
@RaoulMensink Sure, but the problem is either not as staggering as you think or you have a very good memory of rare cases.
 
11:37 AM
There are a few (well, a lot) of meta.se posts about HNQ causing issues - skew of votes from users not well versed in the topic etc
 
@RoryAlsop Mhm. There are two sides. Some people complain because HNQ produces lots of work and others shrug it off because HNQ is good entertainment. I used to be 2, then joined 1, then 2 again, and now I'm oscillating between the two.
 
12:20 PM
@M.A.R. Yes, I do have an exceptional Memory being able to go back years and years with an mind blowing accuracy. Though this account aint that old I have been here longer than "most" might imagine :D
 
@RaoulMensink I think the association bonus is what does it. Earn a rep at one SE site and spam the hell out of others.
 
@RichardU thats definitly also true, many People seem to Forget that their "hard earned" rep is being tied to every SE site not just their parent site.
 
Look at the other side of the coin though. Without association bonus, network-wide flagging would've been impossible.
I have more than a 1,500 flags in sites where I have no more than 101 rep, and I'm a newbie, really.
 
1:25 PM
@RaoulMensink When I get a comment from someone below 500 Rep, I usually ignore.
 
@RichardU explains alot
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A: My manager said I spend too much time on Stack Exchange, how can I prove its value?

Jeff QuickAs joe-strazzere said in their comment here: @Walle - your manager is hinting that you are spending too much time on non-work stuff. So far, the only response you have is that "it has many useful facts". If you can't do better than that, you would be well served by simply avoiding Stack...

@RichardU did you see this one?
 
1:41 PM
@RaoulMensink Well, what is the problem here? That the user earned some easy rep while the rep you earn is hard-earned?
Rep is only for unlocking new privileges.
Someone with such a new post will not use the privileges they earned much, much less try to find ways to abuse them.
 
if you read the edit history you will see my exact Point.
 
And most importantly, unlike what people think, rep does not show expertise. Not even involvement, although it correlates in most cases.
@RaoulMensink They didn't cite the author, I get it.
You can ignore them.
That doesn't illustrate a problem @Raoul, unless you provide abundant examples.
 
Also I would wonder how the person in question feels now that his question has been tweeted by SE.
 
2:28 PM
@RaoulMensink Yes, and the lovely thing about having an eidetic memory is that I remember all of the other stuff this joker has been posting. First he was a manager, now it seems he's a coder. I smell a simple troll.
@RaoulMensink yeah, editing out credit from Joe... not a happy thing.
 
19 hours ago, by Jeff Quick
I was not passing it off as my own. I made it an answer.
I just love People.
 
@RaoulMensink yeah. I saw that SMH
 
Shaking my head
 
What
 
2:35 PM
ah
 
That's not what it means
Well, no one knows what it means.
 
Donut patrole here :P
 
Hey I just have this tab open ಠ_ಠ
 
GRZTBNV
 
Kaz
@RichardU To be fair, this latest question (regardless of whether it actually happened to the OP) is probably a useful one worth keeping around.
 
2:36 PM
And you sound like a bunch of friendly whining lads like me.
Although the topics differ.
 
@M.A.R. Really? We only say nice things about you.
 
Hmm?
I rant about high school chemistry.
But it seems recent annoyances have turned the atmosphere a bit dark.
I need to be careful of the jokes I make.
 
geuss we need to turn the lights back on then :D
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
Apparently a defense of comic sans had to call someone a jerk.
 
3:08 PM
Font nerds are a funny group.
"Dude, you've GOT to see the documentary 'Helvetica'"
(and if anyone's wondering, I'm not joking about the documentary :) )
 
@RichardU you require a bot that Posts this Image every day :P
 
@RaoulMensink I'll go deeper into my reserves "D
 
3:29 PM
Daily gender discussion: If editing-out gendered pronouns is discouraged, isn't editing them *in* just as bad?

Credit discussion: Joe's trivial edit hides my face on that page :P
 
@RichardU First he was a manager, now it seems he's a coder, it's written in his profile :P
 
@DoritoStyle Good to see you Bill.
 
@RichardU not sure I get the reference there
 
Sorry, I meant Bert
Or was it Tom
I forget
 
3:43 PM
@DoritoStyle a pronoun referring to a specific person with established gender was edited by that person to be specific. I don't see the problem. That's different from a case where the referent's gender is unknown.
 
Yeah, I don't feel strongly about it, it just hid my cool icon for a two character change :)
It's OK though, Joe's beautiful face took my place
which is actually kind of appropriate given the context
 
So I guess Joe has seen the answer repackaging of his comment. I personally think it's poor form for a wholesale cut/paste without any expansion by the answerer to not be community wiki, but I don't think it violates any SE rules in its current form.
@DoritoStyle oh, that's what you meant about hiding your face. :-)
 
Yeah, It reached it's current form after some meta research, but after digging even deeper it seems that copy/paste isn't really considered appropriate without adding something novel of your own.
But at that point, the room had devolved into chaos and gotten a timeout again, so I didn't think it was worth continuing
 
I was just shocked that he objected so strongly to my edit which did nothing more than give credit.
 
Ohhh, Digging into the revision history shines a lot more light on the whole situation.
 
3:51 PM
His comment after he reverted it was "Don't put words in my mouth"
I was pretty confused
 
Well, the first few comments he received basically accused him of malice, so that probably started the interaction on the wrong foot and made him defensive. I think cooler heads prevailed in the end though, so there's that.
 
Attribution is reasonable, I think.
 
Yep, but still, I don't think Jeff went in with the intention of stealing. After all, I only learned how to properly handle such a thing yesterday, I assume (for whatever reason) that copying from comments to answers was encouraged since answering in comments is strictly opposed in some exchanges.
Only after searching the meta did I come back with more knowledge
If I had received comments accusing me of intentionally stealing when I was trying to help I would have been crushed and defensive as well
 
@ChristopherEstep you did the right thing with that edit. A tiny additional thing you could have done (to make future auditing a little easier) would have been to use a meaningful edit comment like "added attribution". But it's pretty clear what you did even without that, hence "tiny".
 
@MonicaCellio Thanks, that's a good point.
 
4:04 PM
@MonicaCellio It kinda did as he was removeing all credit to Joe. If you look into the edit history you will see my reason for thinking so.
 
@RaoulMensink the original post and the rollback violated attribution rules, yes. I meant that the post in its current form doesn't appear to violate any rules.
 
4:33 PM
So I was reading about chat flags in the transcript this morning and I have to say that in all the time I've been over 10k (6 months?) I don't recall ever getting any flag notifications.
 
@ChristopherEstep They almost always get handled in seconds.
 
Kaz
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Q: What should I do when the boss "pulls rank" to get their problems solved over our customers' problems?

GreenMattMy boss and I were reviewing items in a bug fix list. One of the bugs was relatively low priority: the program is rarely used in the way that produces the bug, and there is a work around which avoids the bug in most use cases. However, the boss upped this bug to top priority, claiming that it s...

Some People
 
Are they blue in the upper left corner of my avatar? If so, I think I saw it once.
 
Kaz
If your boss gives you a direct order then you do what your boss says.
@ChristopherEstep Yep.
 
but it happened and disappeared in less than a second so I thought it was a bug. :)
 
4:36 PM
@ChristopherEstep It's a bug in chat moderation alright
People click ''yes, burn the user with fire'' and ''no, they're an angel'' buttons faster than they think.
 
Yeah, that's kind of a bug with the concept of real-time chat though, or the human psychology
 
Or the lack of good guidance
We should really get Shog occupied with chat so he writes a bunch of Shoggy posts.
 
re: boss pulling rank, I can kind of empathize with OP though, fixing something trivial for the boss that de-prioritizes customer needs isn't the employee's concern (it's the bosses), but it does indirectly affect your job security.
Or at least that's what it feels like and why someone might feel compelled to go down the line of thinking in that question.
Still, "choose your battles" is probably the best advice
 
my philosophy is that I ultimately do what I'm told. When it comes to a point that my objections are more important to me than doing what I'm told, I find new work.
 
4:46 PM
@ChristopherEstep Ditto. I also create a paper trail if I think it's going to go badly.
 
In any case, I guess this might not be obvious to someone new in the workforce with high ideals. I'm glad that question was asked.
 
 
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5:47 PM
@DoritoStyle Any time a gendered pronoun is referring specifically to me, I reserve the right to change the pronoun to whatever I choose. If a rule is invented to prevent that, that's when I say goodbye to this forum.
@MonicaCellio I saw the comment plagiarism and had to laugh. I guess everything that isn't explicitly against the rules will happen eventually... IMHO it would have been better form to leave a comment to me advising me to make my comment into a Question. Oh well, as long as there is attribution I guess...
 
@JoeStrazzere I would firmly oppose such a rule, and not just because we would lose you.
@JoeStrazzere yeah, it would have been better had things been done differently, but what can you do? Sometimes laughing is the best response; glad you could do so here.
 
6:45 PM
And remember, if you can't laugh at yourself, have fun at someone else's expense
 
7:08 PM
So, how about that Microsoft Teams release; anybody checking it out yet?
 
I'd love to except my company won't even let me use dropbox or onedrive. We have to use some internal chat software. ugh.
(I'm not suggesting that one should use those products for chat, just demonstrating how restrictive we are with software)
 
7:27 PM
Yeah, my company still hosts our own jabber/xmpp server. Unfortunately the entire development team has abandoned it for skype.
I can't say I'm very impressed with Teams so far, but I guess it's a small step above a self-hosted chat server (considering we're already on Office365
 
not allowed to even install skype. would get a nasty email from ITSEC in hours. :)
 
8:28 PM
Any installation of unauthorized hardware or software if VERBOTEN. at my last employer it was grounds for immediate dismissal
 
8:44 PM
I can install pretty much anything I need and I'll say something for big bell, if there's a website I need to access or software that I need that's not on "the list" there's a pretty smooth process as long as I can justify it and my director approves (and ITSEC doesn'think it's evil)
 

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